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Before you start sending us flaming e-mails complaining that a comparison between the 2008 Audi S5 and the 2008 BMW M3 Coupe is an obvious mismatch from the get-go, you should know a few things.
Our first full test of the $53,000, all-wheel-drive 2008 Audi S5 was a bit of a revelation. With a 354-horsepower version of Audi's direct-injection 4.2-liter V8 under its hood, the voluptuous Audi S5 ran a 13.3-second quarter-mile at 104 mph, just 0.1 second and 2 mph shy of the 420-hp 2007 Audi RS4 sedan. What's more, the S5's slalom speed is within a couple mph of the harsh-riding RS-spec sedan. "It ran a 13.3? With that kind of speed, who needs a $67,000 RS4?" we asked ourselves.
We believe so strongly in the 2008 Audi S5 that it earned our Inside Line's inaugural Editors' Choice Award.
So we acquired (hastily perhaps) another 2008 Audi S5 and set it against the new 2008 BMW M3 Coupe, a car now fortified with V8 power for the first time. Speed-reading the specifications sheets of these two cars, they seem like natural rivals: the 354-hp, all-wheel-drive 2008 Audi S5 measured against the 414-hp, rear-wheel-drive 2008 BMW M3.
But as it turns out, we gave the 2008 Audi S5 a bigger challenge than we had initially intended.

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@pros70t5 9 лет назад

I had an e46 m3 and I currently drive a 335i. The 335i doesn't come close to the m3 when it comes to the feeling. It just connects you with the road in a way the 335i can't. However the 335i is more comfortable, more modern and with $1500 you can have a 400+hp rocket. If you want something sharp precise refined go with the m3, if you want something more suitable for an everyday drive go with the 335i

@edmfperez 11 месяцев назад

after owning two coupes and one m3 convertible i wouldn’t have it any other way

@rclemons81 13 лет назад

This was brilliant. Currently considering all 3 of these. Great comparo.

@ninjamoto21 Год назад

2:28 ughh what a beautiful sound

@ericwaltrip6184 5 лет назад

If you plan on keeping one long term get the e46 it’s a guaranteed collector car in another 10-20 years that look has aged very well

@stevew145 10 лет назад

When this was made, less expensive yes, but it doesn't have warranty, parts have "///M" on them and are subject to the BMW surplus + the "///M" surplus so you have to dig extra deep when shocks or brakes or what have you need replacing. Factor in the super ease of tuning the 35i's to well over 400 hp and I think the decision is clear...

@nederkaas 11 лет назад

Hmmm, I test drove both a mint 2005 M3 SMG and a 2011 335i Manual both with a comparable mileage and my choice went for the 335i. Because stepping into the 335i was like going into another century. Everything felt tighter, much more modern, is more fuel economic when I need to and with an extra $500 I got a JB4 tune which makes the car dyno at 340Whp. I am happy with my choice and love my 335i daily driver.

@S58PSHIFTING 5 лет назад

team 135i All day.

@font9a 15 лет назад

I'm surprised the 135i was so favorable in the handling department. I've read the 135i has terrific understeer and the wheelbase is short & gets bucked on difficult surfaces. I personally love the 135i's styling, and think it's one of the best looking road cars today. It's lovely, IMHO. I also love the understated style of my 335i. 911s get an awakening when I annihilate them in a 60-100 mph drag! M3 is razor sharp, but screams CACK, even if it's the best handling coupe BMW has ever made.

@duro845 9 лет назад

Less expensive wait til maintenance comes around

@FaZeswaggfan 7 лет назад

geoff of

@EpiCYTGaming 7 лет назад

Be sure to read edmunds review on my blog before you buy. Go to *edwinreviews. com/edmunds-com-review/* Thanks. Tudor.

@robbie1490 13 лет назад

Listen to that m3's sound! I love all these cars, but that m3's I6 just sounds amazing.

@carman493 15 лет назад

This video was a great insight into the realm that slightly used vehicles could be better in price for performance than a new vehicle. However, I think the title is misleading. The E46 M3 does not have the updated technology available in the 135i and 335i, nor does it have the new vehicle warranty or free maintenance. If a pure weekend/track toy is the desire, get an E46 M3, for a daily, 135i/335i is the best choice on the basis of tech/reliability, safety, performance & piece of mind.

@nfusco618 16 лет назад

Nice road test...I've driven all three cars and couldn't agree more with the review.

@specialagentslowhand 15 лет назад

"...control in the hands of the driver, not the technology." I love that. I was a bit surprised at the results as well. If the new 335i beats the older M3, it is a testament to BMW's continuous improvement in design. Speaking purely aesthetics though, the new 3 series looks like a Pontiac whereas the older M3 was completely unique.

@Estoril_Blau 16 лет назад

Active Autowerke sells a tune that will yield 70 ft/lbs of torque and 55rwhp, add an intercooler and an exhaust and that will help free up quite a bit more power as well.

@AbhiKohli 15 лет назад

What a great and honest review! The guy spoke nothing but pure truth... a BMW can only be beaten by its family members... no outsiders allowed! I love everything about every BM... too good!

@Njderig 15 лет назад

I am talking about American spec BMWs. I remember reading in R&T magazine that the E46 M3 ran a 0-60 of 4.9 sec. And R&T mag usually give more conservative times (since they dont get a ringer car) like other mags like Car & Driver. Car & driver almost always rate 0-60 times .2 quicker than R&T with the exact same car.

@harryguo 2 года назад

E46 M3 in 2008: it's cheaper... oh how times have changed

@RembertoBeltran 11 лет назад

Love the e46 M3 exhaust note!

@theclarkhome 11 лет назад

Numbers seem to vary widely for the 335i. Car & Driver were getting consistent 5s 0-60 times out of a tester, and even managed a couple of runs at 4.8 - and that was on a hot day with a hot car. Tires play a big role in the 0-60 test with that amount of torque at the rear wheels.

@font9a 15 лет назад

Merc and Audi are luxurious touring cars. The MB BS is a staggeringly fast dragster. For everyday driving give me the Ultimate Driving Machine from Bavaria. Sublime.

@font9a 15 лет назад

I agree that the S5 is absolutely gorgeous. My 335i is staid in comparison. But in the performance department 4.5 sec 0-60 times, and 60-120 in about 8 seconds is absolutely stupendous in my BMW. The inline 6 is sublime with twin scroll turbos producing 380 RWHP and 380 RWT with a BMS Stage 3. Zero turbo lag, no whine, beautiful exhaust note. The S5 wins the beauty contest undeniably (and performance rocks, too), but the BMW will always be the Ultimate Driving Machine.

@rangeyer 15 лет назад

I have an 02' M3. It's awesome. you have good taste in cars.

@gravedgr01 15 лет назад

The difference is the the Edmunds drivers are launching like you would launch your own car (preserving the clutch). Magazine reviews do clutch-dropping to get those quick numbers, and the test cars rarely make it past a few thousand miles before requiring repairs.

@mugenman6 16 лет назад

driving an STi means you get alot of competition. A red 135i was to my right and asked me if I wanted to go. Lol, I told him yes and I just drove normal. He hauled ass and almost hit a Ford Pickup... priceless.

@MikeHuntIsItchy 10 лет назад

Also in reply to Sushant Saxena comment, it's not a single turbo twin scroll turbo, that changed that in 2010 or 2011 I forget which, the 2008-2009 models still have the N54 motor twin turbo, who's the idiot now? lawl, gotta love kids who chime in on stuff they can't even afford.

@Cretz 16 лет назад

a couple of things: 1) I am pretty sure that they use different ratings for engine output in Europe than in the U.S. (only slightly that is - BHP) 2) The Edmund's M3 is 6 years old and has over 55,000 miles on it.

@sadjosj 14 лет назад

@toprules The M3 is based on the e46 which was first released in 1997 which served as a base for the 2001 M3. I am from Australia where the 0-100kmh time is taken into account (roughly 62mph). The M3 in question is manual (no paddle shifts).

@Blackbird5150 11 лет назад

the N54 motor used in the video has TWO turbos. the N55 has the twin scroll turbo you are talking about.

@TheBlackdragon936 10 лет назад

E46 M3 coupe American and euro version are 4.6-4.8 to 60. SMG version has launch control. Manuel is as fast as SMG but only in the right hands. Verts are 5.2 normally because of the extra weight If not well maintained M3 about 5.5. I won an E46 M3 in sliver SMG with pilot super sport tires and I do it in 4.5 but that's because of my tires. I can once in a while do it in 4.4 but I have to have little or no tire spin off the line. All stock other than tires, suspension and brakes.

@fukkkkka 15 лет назад

Because you can buy a Burger Tuning JuiceBox3 for $400, get the same 80 horsepower boost, and keep your BMW factory warranty if you have the sense to take it out before you service it. Any questions?

@nukemiller1 15 лет назад

thanx for the advice. when I get enough money I definately will.

@amer1cancer2753 15 лет назад

Almost every automobile magazine said that the 36,000 Infiniti G37 is better than the 43,000 BMW 335i. Not only in the price but in handling and driving feel.

@theclarkhome 11 лет назад

Back in 2008 when they posted this they would've been running a car with the N54 motor which is actually a twin turbo. It was a few years later before BMW changed it to the N55 which was the single twin-scroller, and even then the 335is still used the N54.

@sixyears 16 лет назад

both the 135 and the 335 have the same engine, the 3.0L bi turbo 6 cylinder. What I mean by Bi turbo is that the engine has two turbos for half of the engine. So for a each turbo is only working for 3 cylinders. Any bmw with the 35i designation will have the 6 cylinder 3.0L bi turbo engine. The 335i was the 1st BMW to be offered with this engine.

@Streetracingpunk72 14 лет назад

@jkindian 5.4 seconds isn't bad for an old E46 that has undoubtedly seen quite a bit of aggressive driving. You need to remember, if it's a long term test for Edmunds, it most likely has 60k+ on the clock and is probably several years old. Spring Mountain Motorsport Ranch is also at 3400ft (1034m) above sea level. Everything comes into play, too, including the Nevada heat, the tires, etc. Highly doubt you could do better given the conditions.

@schneegeist 15 лет назад

I enjoy my 06 M3 6spd. It's true you feel every pebble, crack and paint stripe in the road, but there's nothing like it.

@markcusbarrybus 15 лет назад

love the sound of the e46 m3 though

@carman493 15 лет назад

The others are still great performing vehicles for the fun to drive factor, just lacking in the horsepower and overall handling. Our 128i is loaded with every luxury/tech option and no sport package. It still handles well, although it pushes in the corners, especially with the all season tires. The dynamics are still confidence inspiring and enjoyable. The 128i still runs a mid 14 second 1/4 and hangs with a 350z and 330i on the highway.

@ultramoo 12 лет назад

in my opinion: 135i - for younger boys/men (20-35yo) with a slightly less budget but still prefer some luxury 335i - for men (30-50+) with more cash to spare and want more features and comfort. over all, both have speed, grunt, and that awesome feel when driving. Forget the specs, both cars are amazing. I love my 135i and enjoy driving it just for fun - not just to get from a to b - Maybe after 5 to 10 years I may upgrade to 335i when I have a bigger family.

@Jamzil 15 лет назад

I always wanted to see this comparison because they all use the same engine! Also seems interesting that they all stop with the same amount of ft.

@megamanxtc 14 лет назад

I would have to disagree because if you decide on ordering BMW Sport Suspension Kit, there is a difference between ordering the kit for a non-sport and a sport suspension model (by VIN). Admittedly, I'm not sure what exactly the difference is.

@XMG3 9 лет назад

Geoff is absolutely right, wait till maintenance comes around for the M3, then it'll be last place.

@rangeyer 14 лет назад

I have an 02 and love mine. I'm putting a bilstein pss10 coilover kit on it in the spring

@TheDarkRainbowSide 13 лет назад

I'm only 14 but i'm gonna save money for the BMW M3 3,2 Coupé, 2001. Can't Wait :D

@rousseau327 11 лет назад

Actually, a 2002 E46 M3 can get to 60 in roughly 4.7 to 4.8

@ladin425 11 лет назад

nothing beats the sound of the s54 engine!

@SWPF2708 16 лет назад

I think you're right. the 135i would be my car to choose. Driving is not about numbers it's about emotions. When I see a BMW 135 coupé every heartcell screams: "want have!" because it's so damn beautiful. I think it's a pity that you took the old M3, because the new one is a very emotional car, too.

@BrawndoQC 11 лет назад

I agree 5.4 isn't slow at all, was just replying to the guy who said an E46 M3 is below 5 seconds 0-60.. It is not, at least stock it isn't . And the sad part is he got 61 thumbs up.

@mybizuk 16 лет назад

Great Video. Bet you guys cant wait for the 335d. Ive done a 13.3@106mph in mine.

@e39black540 14 лет назад

(PART 1) I think the 335i twin turbo coupe looks a little better than e46 M3 of course 335i is a newer body style, don't get me wrong, e46 M3 is beautiful and unique with its pure 3.2L inline 6 that produces 333hp that's amazing engineering . And e46 3 series was and probably is, one of the most successful, and reliable BMW's ever made. I am a Bimmer fan, i love them all. In my opinion the E92 M3 is the most beautiful M3 BMW has ever made.

@AetiusPraetorian 14 лет назад

Wow! I actually heard the same retoric when the RS4 was tested, and later when the C350 AMG was tested. Funny thing was, the 335i was dissed when it was raced against the Mercedes and the RS4. I wonder which is correct? At least here in Germany the fastest cars on the Autobahn are almost always (in this order) Audi, Porsche, BMW and believe it or not Benz makes it to the passing lane as well! I look forward to the new 3 series though, this looks dated.

@megamanxtc 14 лет назад

This video is comparing a sport packaged 135i vs a non-sport 335i. I'm sure that made a difference in their comparison.

@Spirited_Driver 14 лет назад

What a great video.

@Giovanni-Giorgio 16 лет назад

The US e46 M3 has 333hp while the EU version has 343. That said, the 335i can be chiptuned up to 364hp and 512Nm. But then again, the sound of the M3 is so much better and the looks are priceless.

@bmwlover0809 12 лет назад

This description is for another video, not this one

@nguyenvinhvx 15 лет назад

The M3 listen to the driver, it's truly is a driver's car. I still love my 04 M3 no matter how many car I've gone through along side the M3 like 300ZXTT, RX7TT, NSX, B7 S4, CLS550,..just to name a few, and it's the only thing I still keep to this day, of course, with alot more improvement to the original, but the sound stays the same.

@viktord1 16 лет назад

yea that's true. i exaggerated a little bit. i just always liked the sound of a straight 6 better than a v8

@opwave79 13 лет назад

Was initially interested in the 135 to replace my old Z3, but now maybe I should find myself a preowned M3 instead. Always wanted an M3 anyway.

@naperking 15 лет назад

Yes, the 335i and the 135i have the N54 twin-turbo engine from the factory.

@font9a 15 лет назад

it's INLINE six, not FLAT six, btw. Porsche uses flat sixes. But whatever semantics, German engines float about 3 inches above the water. They are just terrifically addictive.

@tyo789 16 лет назад

all i have to say is that i like that the newer bmws 135i, and 335i are faster than the older m3's it shows that bmw is alwaying improving all their cars not just their top performance cars.

@demoskunk 14 лет назад

@Kev50027 if warmed up properly during its lifetime, an engine should not show horsepower loss until about 150K miles. an M3's engine should not be reved above 4000rpm until the oil temp gauge reads about 160, otherwise you sould slowly warp the cylinders over many years. i think if the driver had dumped the clutch at 3000rpm, he might have gotten under 5 sec to 60 and 13.3 sec in the 1/4 mile.

@tolishel 15 лет назад

not all 3 cars in this video have same engine, M3 has a 3.2L normaly aspirated engine 333HP. and the other two have 3.0L 2 stage twin turbo 300HP

@psmTARDCORE 14 лет назад

@stolenalan I believe they are. But it will not have the same power as the M3 but the weight of the 1 series is where it will show. It will def be something to look forward to.

@Acct1941 12 лет назад

Ever consider, that since it was an '02 it had become slower after being thrashed around on a long-term fleet? And was years older.

@whiskeyactual. 15 лет назад

Lol, you sound like a real fan boy, its so entertaining haha.

@nonagon1 15 лет назад

I think you missed the context of that post. In this case sideways means drifting, with the back sliding out as you go around a turn. The previous poster made a comment that you couldn't do it with an electronic LSD (like the 135i has). There are many examples that show it is possible...but of course a real LSD would be best.

@DivideBYZero69 15 лет назад

I have an E46 M3 and a 1 series (fully loaded, bar NAV) and there is no new tech that is really a big deal in rhe 1. What you will find is the stuff that was new, advanced and exclusive in the M3 is now standard in the high spec 1 series. Not only that, but my M3 has the advance Intravee II iPod integration with full OEM Nav/Wheel controls. That and my M3 still has a BMW warranty.

@youngb1ood 16 лет назад

lol very good reference. kudos to you on that. imma start using that bummer also.

@96ti 16 лет назад

1 series all the way. Closest thing I'll be able to get to my 318ti

@03basesedan 16 лет назад

13 flat, no. maybe if you use the ringer from the car and driver test, but stock e46 m3's run from 13.3-13.5 stock at 104-107.

@jrs89 15 лет назад

This was really a nice comparison. I surprised me that BMW would let the 135i beat the 335i. Thats good actually. Most car companies try to protect their market segments by purposefully holding their lower end cars back to preserve the prestige of the more expensive cars (Does the Cayman sound familiar?).

@nukemiller1 16 лет назад

as an oilfield worker, I enjoy my bmw. that I paid for. BMW is what all car makers strive for

@TheCheezuzChrist 13 лет назад

Can wait for the 1///M

@BryanMaltais 13 лет назад

Yep, 135 is fractionally quicker b/c of its lighter weight, but it's cramped and with little storage, despite the report saying it's as comfortable as the 335. I'll take my 335i any day for drive-ability.

@AquaStevae 3 года назад

This comparison appears to be sponsored by BMW, trying to boost the POOR sells of the 135i, compared to the sales records of the 335i. The differences in times between the 335i and the 135i are driver error close, so the 135i being praised here is so backass-akwards that it made me actually laugh. The praise should be towards the 335i, which matched the much lighter 135i, and did it with more weight and a much better interior and usable space. That's a hell of a feat! Furthermore, I've driven all three cars and the 135i does NOT drive anywhere nearly as well as the 335i does. The 135i is all over the place on normal roads when driven hard, and not nearly as predictable and comfortable as the 335i. The chassis on the 335i is much better, and you can feel it as soon as you start driving it hard, as it drives so many times better on "any surface" than the 135i does. The 135i is unpredictable and thus gives less confidence when driving it hard, and I actually liked the older M3 (2004) better than the 135i for handling. Lastly, we had one guy in our car club who actually built a 135i (FBO), with several others who had built 335i's, and the more the 135i was built, the worse it drove. This was the exact opposite with the 335i's.

@aaryanbhardwaj5293 3 года назад

12years too late mate

@techtician2726 3 года назад

@@aaryanbhardwaj5293 Nope, as long as the vid is up, the points are useful.

@shadowsaiyan 11 лет назад

I like turbo cars. The weight of the 135i is nice, but the 335i looks soooo much better. I'd go with the 3 series, try to figure out how to put an M3's LSD in it, beef up the suspension and turn up the boost. 335i is such a sexy car. But if BMW had put the N20 engine in the 128i, i'd be all over that. Band for your buck, right there.

@TheCarLife 16 лет назад

Of course, it wouldn't be you tube without them. Lol.

@adlsn335 14 лет назад

the sport/m packages only adds slightly better looks, only thing that can actually change performance is wheater is has the M suspension or not.

@K1llerKoalaBear 14 лет назад

the 335i is the first car i learned to race with

@277777g 11 лет назад

yes but at the end they made the right choice

@Rathinko 16 лет назад

"Audi is known for its luxury. Mercedes-Benz and BMW are not." Really? I didn't know only Audi was the luxury marque there!

@Konformation07 15 лет назад

Sibling Rivalry!

@amcheung10 12 лет назад

@juancho939 i think they chose the E46 m3 because it was in the 300HP range like the 335i and 135i

@Njderig 15 лет назад

I LOL'd when he said "even volvo" as if its such a surprise.

@DrTreyG 12 лет назад

We just bought a BMW 335i and were messing around on the highway and got up to 120mph and it felt like 50mph it has really good acceleration and performance. The car could easily hit 160mph.

@revyrend 12 лет назад

I have never heard of a E46 m3 taking anywhere in the 5 second range to get to 60.

@fjuno78 14 лет назад

both cars have sports package. Those 335 wheels are from the sports package. the only perfomance difference between sports package vs non sports package is top speed is 155 vs 130,

@frankyro 15 лет назад

With a small blackbox you can increase your 135i / 335i to 351 hp without modding the ECU. Box was deleoped and made in Germany and installation is done within 15 mins. Interested ? Send me a private message.

@sixyears 16 лет назад

Wow the only way to beat a bmw was to get another bmw. Man the 3.0L bi turbo 6 is a awsome engine, but you guys convinced me that if I was a car like the new 135 of 335 the old m3 is the way to go. I never fails to impress. I guess the bi tubro 6 is better for the street and city and the M3 6 cylinder is a better track engine.

@lgrO34 15 лет назад

ok boy i agree with you to say that most of AMG model are not for track like S65 amg CL65 amg E63 amg or C63 amg but if you take a SLS amg or SL63-65 amg... it's made for track and the 65 black série for sure but i agree most of BMW are sporter than benz 335i> C350CGI of course for exemple

@camabron1 15 лет назад

The 0-60 time here of 5.4 secs. for the M3 seems rather slow, more actual times are in the 5.0 range in line with the 135i.

@DivideBYZero69 15 лет назад

I didn't find it anywhere, it's written in black and white on my Registration papers, 3246cc. Essentially it is only 5cc short of being called a 3.3, so it's not as wrong as you might like to think, but still not right. Now, the "6.3" AMG, that's also not correct, but MB don't seem to be getting all bent out of shape like you are about it.

@BrawndoQC 12 лет назад

The E46 M3 is only 330ish bhp, and is documented at 5.4 sec officially.

@algorhythym 16 лет назад

They are comparing it to the older, e46 M3. Not the e92, which has the v8.

@megamanxtc 14 лет назад

If the 335 had a sport package, it would have shadowline trim around it's windows. If the only difference is top speed limit, why when ordering a performance suspension, does the kit differ by if you initially had sport package or not?

@pistaxotube 15 лет назад

in order for this test to work they should compare it to the new M3...not a cheap (used) version....since a car is as good as its price the 135i is the best BMW option value/money that ever existed. amazing

@Berrald 16 лет назад

"Mercedes is a little better on the track" some of the funniest shit I've heard in a long, long time..... rofl

@1pt5oz 16 лет назад

We're talking about twin turbo charged inline 6's twin turbo AWD Quattro systems........they're making potholes not absorbing them

@SnizzFizz 14 лет назад

I didn't once say it was practical. The 335i I want costs 55k, 20k more than that being 75k for the GTR, so no one suggested under 70k. But why did you even mention an M3? Of course it's cheaper, Its gonna be cheaper new or used, its not even in the same class as the GTR... Btw the combined mileage I've seen on the GTR (yes, I've seen and been in one in real life) was 18 mpg, only 3 less than the combined mpg of an e36 m3.