Road wear/damage increases cubically with mass. A two ton car does eight times the damage than a one ton car. We're all paying for these stupidly heavy cars, many of which are promoted on Harry's advertorials
@@yebo56 Yes, that's why people around the world are buying SUVs and crossovers - because of Harry's videos. These cars are needlessly heavy, tall, wide and with lights set too high so that they blind others. But their popularity is due to people's egos: being up high and in a big car makes them feel important.
@@julianevans9548 or, get this: they are useful vehicles for a number of purposes, especially if you have kids, do any sort of work around the house, or enjoy getting out into nature. it's not all ego.
Halford 1k clear laquer over their cheap carbon parts they must have the cheapest nastiest PAN and Epoxy going to even have to spray the clear coat over it and leave the tape ridges. Utterly ridiculous and if you came out with such ridiculous stunts in the boat world your reputation would be gone overnight. This is one of the worst made cars I've seen since British Leyland
@@Beer_Dad1975 Well... wealthy and young... definitely. I don't know enough about football professionals to be picking on them. A common derogatory comment in the States is "all his taste is in his mouth!!" I bought my first BMW (1600) in 1969 and have had many others over the years, up to my current 2001 330xi manual gearbox. An automatic in a BMW other than an SUV, is just disappointing. They've just gotten too big, too glitzy, and too much automatic junk in them. The superfluous electronic stuff is just a problem (many problems!) waiting to happen.
@@Peter-MH that tape ridges left on the clear coat is all anyone with a brain needs to see. They've outdone themselves with this the fisher price junk heap
What market are they targeting? Obviously someone with more money than sense. At that price I can only imagine 1,000 other cars I’d wish to see on my drive
It's really impressive how one can build a medium sized car, stuff so much carbon fibre in it, tear out the rear seats, all the sound deadning etc. and still end up at over 1600 kg. How did they do that?
All the safety regulations require heavy instruments underneath the body + all the luxury tech a lot of the customers demand these days, even for a special edition - track focused car🥴
@@Maximil1ion bullcr@p. The donor G20 Series is actually lighter than its F20 predecessor. And they can't achieve the same between the old and new M G80 Series?
It has a lot of positives, but I just can't get past the looks. BMW have really lost their way design-wise in recent years, and it isn't only the grille.
The grille is the least offensive part on this particular car. I don't mind it here. The normal M4 is repulsive, and I can't comprehend what was going on in the designer's heads when they did the M2.
yeah this car doesn't even have the Hoffmeister Kink. That and the Infiniti rear end bother me more than the grill. I don't think the M3 is near as bad
I'm in awe of the talent of a man who manages to get the camera set up just right so the steering wheel is in the way of the speedo with impressive regularity, but this time tape did the trick.
Thank you Harry. BMW could have shaved another kilo or 2 by omitting all of the badges and decals. Uncouth was a perfect choice of words. They have really departed stylistically recently which is a shame because they used to make the most beautiful cars in the world.
M4 CSL is 126k list? Ooft. Just had a quick check on AutoTrader and M3 E46 CSL’s are selling at sub 100k (only 5 listed there). Given the choice I know what I’d rather have
Junk BMWs got over inflated with covid tax now coming down in price like a rubber brick. E46 M3s for sale now if you find the right place for £17k and £10k for a scab needing everything done. E46 is junk to, vastly over rated
And waste 20% of the video on some stick test of truth like it really matters for dailies of theor exausts are pointed down and hidden or not. Fun fact, its better for us if they're pointed down to road on dailies, particles in a certain percentage are left on asphalt surface and so on, they don't go directly in air etc.
Looks like BMWs design team got lost in the Halfords accessory department (again). It’s not as hideous as the XM, but it’s close….I’d rather drop £120K on a 911 (if I had the money)
@@JohnFromAccounting don't ever mention Suzuki (who make cars properly) in the same sentence as current BMW (who are as fisher price as it gets) The UK older GV and all Jimny models are legendary so is the old swift GTi.
These cars are now at a point where they are too large physically for the small cramped roads of the UK. Too big, too heavy, too much power (to cope with the weight and size). Are they now really a driver's car?
Priced at $200K here in Los Angeles. That includes the dealer’s $50k markup. The price explains why they’re still sitting on the showroom floor, months and months later.
The UK is the same the BMW dealers the yards are full of unsold fisher price junk cars. Are these junk heaps even selling in China? Who's buying these things I'm curious?
That and how abhorrently ugly they are. I guess they'll sell in Europe because there are plenty of rich young football professionals with no taste - in the US, the pro footballers probably all buy whatever the biggest, gaudiest pickup truck is at the moment.
Harry, I agree that outside it’s looks a little “cheap”. I was astonished they charge extra for their 50 year badge. Sadly that kind of attention will mean lots of them get nicked. Never mind the bonnet badge is £360 to replace. Ridiculous.
They charge it because they can. Rolls Royce motors had its best sales year ever on record in 2022, despite average price per car of over $534000. This week French luxury brand house LVMH become the first European company to reach a $0.5 trillion valuation. All that after the global economy was shut down for near two years followed by an energy crisis and financial system strains. Funny that, isn't it....
yes 'celebrate' 50 years with us. another reason to hate BMW as if one were needed. one of the happiest moments in my life was seeing my old E46 M3 manual coupe driving away from my house. The most over rated performance car Ive ever known.
Just looks cheap, cheap, cheap… don’t care how well it handles or fast it goes, the purity of its forebearers has forever been lost. Great video Harry!
I saw the black version at Rybrook Shrewsbury it was very dirty, I didn’t look good tbh , however it’s all about the driving dynamics, but for that money there’s great machinery.
Agree it’s not a cheap car! An analogy: walk around Mayfair, or especially Knightsbridge, any given day, and you’ll see a lot of very expensive machinery that looks (or been made to look) incredibly cheap. This is all subjective of course, but to me red accents tend to cheapen a car, same with stuck-on go faster appendages etc, and black wheels. It’s not helped by the basic car having ungainly propositions, not just the front… so in its purest form it’s not a pretty or well-proportioned car to start with. Now the engineering behind it may be top-notch, and I suspect it is, but from the outside, to my eyes, it just doesn’t look like it’s 125k worth. Yes it may go round the ring quickly etc, but who cares when it doesn’t look that great. And it’s made worse because BMW have such a great heritage and a back catalogue of awesome styling. To take that and make something like the XM - to celebrate 50 years since the stunning M1, is heresy in my book. And to go from the e46 csl to this - have tastes changed that much? Or more likely I’m just getting old…
@@JohnFromAccounting it's cheaply made junk pal get real. Even DSG gearboxes are old tractor gearbox tech from the 70s. You need to do some research man I'm not being nasty just telling you these are fisher price junk. They are 😂 you cannot change facts
Thanks for another great video Harry. Feels like the marketing dept at BMW are now calling the shots which is a shame, the E46 CSL is now a legend, I don't see this one gaining the same honour.
Harry I am beyond disappointed with the fact you're even reviewing this generation of M4, that front is completely inexcusable and honestly every reviewer should be boycotting it.
Nope, some cars from early to mid 2000s with modern tyres are beating laptimes of new cars all over the place sir. For example I witnessed a VX220 utterly mug a new M3comp at Knockhill with Michie pilot sport 4 on. He even had the rear ones as the XL tyre to keep the tyre wall stiffer so he could slide it more and it still spanked the M3comp. It had 230bhp cheers
That's all cars have now. They're too big, heavy, sanitised and detached to be engaging as driver's cars, so they have to make them really fast. There is quite literally nothing else they can do. Legislation means even a big, ballsy straight six sounds boring as well, as this proves. At least it won't be as much of a loss when we're forced to buy electric. BMW have shot themselves in the foot by sticking with RWD which means the grunt now has to be reined in with electronics to stop people killing themselves. 500+Nm of torque from pretty much idle through two driven wheels means as soon as you start pressing on, there's endless interference from the systems to stop the car swapping ends and leaving the road. You can see it here. The thing just can't get its power down, and is constantly being held back. On real roads, I reckon you could detune this engine by 100 bhp and it would be no slower.
@@bigduphusaj162 Yeah.. Thats a nope. All FWD Opel's/Vauxhalls were dog shit on track with massive amounts of understeer and SHOCKING handling, especially the "driver focused" OPC models. I agree the new M3 and M4 looks like utter crap but no way would they lose to a cat shit box on wheels like a garbage Opel.
I don’t even know where to stat Harry. It looks awful in primer grey, that red stripe looks like I’ve done it. £250 +vat for a badge, kg’s of tacky badgers all over it (the one in the back looks like a Halfords special) and that flared front splitter will be lost the first time it’s parallel parked against a kerb. Oh, and it should be manual. It’s built for a specific type of person. If ever the adage fitted “There’s and a******e for every seat” this is it.
I was fortunate enough to see the same color csl in the prep area at the dealer. Sales guy says " don't you love it ? " I laughed and said NO. It's horrible, I sat in it , had non adjustable seats and I could barely get in it and getting out was very difficult. He was shocked i said i hated it and he mentioned the price, 175 cdn plus tax and I laughed again. Maybe in my younger years I'd like it but not now. I'm out. There's a 911 down the street.
Marketing and sales guys don't have any clue about aesthetics or anything mechanical. They should be talking up the technical details because they are really impressive.
Looks are debatable and yeah important, but this car is all about driving dynamics, it seems a-lot more people just buy on looks alone which is a shame.
Brilliant review as always. Seeing how this car squirms and struggles for traction under any sort of power just makes me think how this already rare car will be even more rare in two years time - ie it won’t be kept between the hedges by all owners even with the precious 150k it’ll cost them. Perhaps slightly contradictory of me to say I like how CSL hasn’t forgotten the thoroughbred roots and aren’t scared to “go a bit mad”, especially in todays relatively boring car market by comparison to when the e46 csl was unveiled. On that, I’d have an e46 csl over this. Unrivalled in my opinion, even still today.
It looks a bit like a running shoe, and not in a good way... Great content as always - the car, however is nearly the complete opposite of what I'd look for in a car, especially if I was fortunate enough to have hundreds of thousands to spend on one!
I've never known people to turn on manufacturers so fast as they are now. I seen it coming and it was shocking reliability and build quality that started this backlash. The German brands are going through their British Leyland phase right now with the parts bin fisher price junk they are pumping out. Avoid them till they sort their act out or go bust if they don't. The disposable build quality finance express cars are now public enemy no1 by the looks of things. About time
Car design should be led by engineers, not marketing and sales - I feel this is the main issue. Looking at the German cars from the 80s and 90s, they had real engineering integrity, elegant designs and ownership focus.
@James Gadbury That's abit like saying society should be led by nobility and not the common folk. I'm not suggestion you're wrong.... The democratisation of everything seems to be a race to the bottom.
If only that heinous grill was revised to the classic smaller grills from bmws of modern era. This would be the most beautiful car on sale! We know they can do it as with the hommage!
I drove this very car the other night. Not a big fan of the looks, but it is still stunning in detail, and definitely has enough BMW-ness about it, even whilst parked next to my E92 M3. I didn’t experience any traction issues in -1°C temperatures, after nearly 2hrs of on/off driving. It would’ve been nice if Harry configured the M1 and M2 buttons, before setting off driving it. I flicked the M2 button, and everything was extreme, but it felt exciting and raw. It feels like a racecar. It feels special.
Yet another outstanding, honest review from Harry. "Cotswold farmer spec seats" he he he! Love it. This isn't the car for me either. Far too ugly from the front. The E39 M5 still rules the roost. The dashboard looks far too high. More like flying a Cessna than driving a sports car.
I'm just disgusted by the car so I'm checking comments to see if it's me or what is going on. Had a poster of E39 M5 on the wall as a kid and e46 M3 amd CSL on desktop a bit later. We even appreciated E38 although ot was a huge sedan and we were young. This situation nowdays feels like they ruined it all.
Hey Harry, love your channel. I'm not interested in this grill on wheels, but that lovely NSU RO in the back, can you please do a review of it? It is very rare to see one in what seems like pretty good condition.
BMW are so bad at finishes now that they cannot even be bothered getting decent PAN or Epoxy to make the carbon fiber bits so they are having to clear coat over them for UV protection. On top of that they left the tape ridges around the clear coat, they couldn't even be bothered removing the tape/stencil and spray one single coat of blend agent to flow the tape ridges out. That clear coat is going to peel off in one go in about T-minus 18month. Utterly ridiculous I'm in shock looking at how poorly made this is. £150k hahahaha they really are pushing the limit for the finance brigade these days. Junk!!
Watching this , there is no wonder modern quick classic cars are in such demand . So much lighter, more involving and cheaper . I would take a 20 year old M3 or M5 car over this and pocket the cash left over
I wonder if European tastes will ever be the priority to a European company or is the future just tasteless/ tacky / brash sports cars (if we’re lucky) or ginormous SUVs that have sand mode…..
It sounds more like a heavily turboed 4-cylinder than a 6. Sort of strangled. It also seems to be about 2000 rpm short of interesting. I just start thinking the engine note is going to harden and sound interesting and it changes up. Maybe the V12 XJC spoiled me for glorious noise. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to care about any new BMW these days, but I really wish someone would hide their chief stylist's red crayon.
6.9 seconds 0-100mph. The McLaren F1 did it in 6.3. But, the BMW has Launch controls and paddle gearbox. I'm thinking how fast the 911 Turbo S is with launch control. Imagine how much faster a McLaren F1 would be 0-100mph, with launch control and paddle shifts ? 5.5 seconds
Nice review Harry What an ugly monster to my eyes 1600 kg! With no. Seats in the rear 😂 When you showed that engine bay. That giant brace over the engine looks as heavy as a small child! . On the vid looks very squirmy on acceleration.
1600kg but much faster than other M4s, especially your favourites from the past. From an engagement perspective, it might be lacking compared to the last CSL, but the difference in speed is mind boggling.
@@JohnFromAccounting you could nearly buy two M3s for the price of this and have 5x as many seats 😂 up in this price range you have a lot better options, starting with more purpose built platforms like GT4, Carrera GTS and Z06
@@neillangdale829 still adds a good amount of rigidity tying the two ends together there like that. Ex rear roll bar on normal e60 is maybe 15 mm, m5 is 20mm thick. That small difference still makes makes a noticeable change in how the car drives and makes less understeer, even though those bars weigh a few lbs max
I saw one of these in this exact spec on the freeway. While not a pretty car, it is imposing in looks and these cars just do not look good in print or video. In person, they are quite nice I think. I just got a '23 M4 in Portimao Blue, and it is very nice. I didn't think much could one-up my old Mystic Blue E46 M3, but boy oh boy, the G82 M4 is just a beast when one sees it in real sheet metal. Great review as always Harry. Keep up the good work!
The fact that Harry keeps calling it an M3 says volumes about how overly complicated BMWs product line up is these days. Remember when a 325i was a 2.5l 3 series? Available in two or four doors. SE or Sport. Nice and simple.
Let’s say you could actually get one, between the beaver teef grill, the ugly and/or lacking color choices (as Harry noted), the dual Mustang Mach 1/Subaru/Jeep bonnet decals, and that price tag, just no. (Oh and that sound, not good).
Please note the previous M4 also had the roof mouldings with the little cutouts apparently for roof bars. Except that they were fake…there were no fixings below them as I discovered to my cost after buying an M4 and being assured by the dealer that you could fit roof bars! 😡. So don’t believe what Harry said about the current model being able to accept bars…unless you see for yourself. Sorry.
1600 odd kilos is alot, my heavily modified 2002 with an E30 M3 engine & 5 speed box weights just over 1000kg, no nannies to control it ether, it's a hoot, but definitely not a daily, Rj in Oz
Harry’s Garage is my weekly dose of entertainment and sanity. Brilliant videos, as always….then I go into the comments and see no keyboard warriors; just observations and complete sense. Anywho….compare this to the E46 M3 CSL…there’s no competition for my money.
Gosh the frustration of the traction control here was real. I was begging you to turn it off. Can we see more track day stuff please Harry? The hill climb stuff was ace. We all know you can pedal. 👍👍
I"ve seen a completely murdered M4, and it is very subdued in appearance. It hides much of the sweeping side body panel angle and it definitely tones down the front grill. If that is what one is looking for, that definitely works. Black though, it's an impossible color to keep clean. I just got one in Portimao Blue and I really like it.
