BMW R1200GS Adventure vs. KTM 1290 Super Adventure | ON TWO WHEELS 

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I disagree, they discussed weight and all the other elements you mention are so refined and well implemented that it all comes down to preference. The fact you mention these categories probably means you already know the answers you’re looking for. Why state the obvious in a review, I want their opinions and feelings over the bikes which these guys reveal in totality.

That would destroy the soup....they want to say that telelever is better than wp 48 in dirt....perhaps they drive moto with back wheel in dirt ....new thing we learn ....lol

Well 1:18 kinda dropped the hint.

@@user-pj2hk3fi4f I’m a GS fanboy and admit without hesitation that ktm is wayyyyy better off road than the gs. It’s better on road too.

you can buy yamaha xtz 660 tenere for less than half price )))

Not in America :(

GOOD FOR YOU

not saying you are wrong but people buying KTMs and BMWs obviously don't get those bikes because they are the cheapest... facepalm

KLR 650!

poulan9 Same thing I was thinking. I don't see the GS hanging with the KTM in dirt or street, but maybe there is some level of comfort where it excels like a Lexus or something.

poulan9 I rode a 1290 sa, and it wasn't confidence inspiring off road, felt wishy washy because all it did was spin the tire, and the suspension was too street oriented.

poulan9 i agree, how can KTM (the offroad specialist) be more bad (than BMW) at offroad then anything else, especially the 1190 Adventure R is so much better then any BMW (according to a lot of reviews at youtube and text reviews on the internet)

poulan9 most people couldn't care less about off-road capabilities. And frankly, riding down a gravel back road isn't what I call off-road anyway. If you really wanted to, you could ride a Honda Shadow on the same back road that the GS in the video was on. I've put 130,000 miles on My R/100/GS, with it's 60 hp. It's never failed to get me there and get me back. If someone offered to trade me a brand new KTM or GS for it, I'd have to think about it. I'd hate to see that bike go, I've made mistakes like that and regretted it later. I wish I'd kept my R/75/5, I didn't really need to sell it, but the previous owner wanted it back so bad I let him have it. Well, it's late Friday afternoon, I've caught up work and think I'll take a ride. Been awhile since I've been on the GS. It's old and tired looking, but supremely comfortable. I've taken it off road a few times, when I miss a corner. The last time a hot little babe in a bikini caused me to get airborne. She shouldn't be cutting grass looking like that, it can kill an old man.

505197 Cool stories bro. My neighbour has a R100 GS and they seem to have reliability that modern BMWs do not and he kept up surprisingly well with me for the most part on my much more modern KTM 950 in the corners although not so well on the straights. I can imagine that once you have bonded with one they are difficult to part with. For me they are too dated after having more modern bikes.

Will you take $20000 motorcycle offroad?

Right!!! The ktm is a dirt orientated adv not a mountain rode riding cruiser

Bob Seger i think 125 hp is enough to get you trouble while offroading, why you need more hp?

Jack Sparrow : because it's FUN!

Never seems to be enough Horse - Power after riding the same bike for about a month. Yes, I do agree that 125 HP is plenty of power but I have to admit that the more HP THE BETTER.

Tou Xiong wise choice buddy

Tou Xiong : after watching this stupid video even the CEO of KTM would buy a BMW. It's total nonsense.....

+Lukasz Bat Yes I remember that and it was the WORST marketing decision that KTM ever made, which I'm sure they have regretted and kicking themselves in the ass ever since. Wonder if they fired the Manager in charge at the time for the bad decision? Anyways, that show is partly why I bought my R12GSA in 08, the other is I loved the 98 1100GS which started my love of adventure bikes. BMW all the way!

You will be pleased to hear that BMW currently reworks the r1200 engine and with what they have in testing at the moment has I think 150hp

Lukasz Bat. How much more power you'd need on these beasts.?? They've already produced more than enough for me I guess, these are basically for adventurous beasts machines. You could get a Hayabusa with as much colossal brute power available btw.

There is second side of the story that is not being well known. BMW said yes but they sent trucks with parts along Evan and Charlie. Story is that they exchanged enough parts during Long way round to build couple of new r1200gs's. Some people say that KTM, known for their bikes winning Dakkar races, would suffer reputation hit if Long way round ended up a failure.

Poop nuggets that bmw.

The super adventure r looks better than the s

For me personally, the super adventure is ugly as sin...

thats noncence , its in a lower league

Yeah.....until your final drive craps out....and it will...

+kees ketsers silly sausage. I'd like to hear about your fatal final drive failures .... usually it's some blokes mates brother down the pub. me? 25 years of hammering BMW final drives. over 140k and not a sausage.

+Nigel Collinson talk to people on the dutch bmw gs club forum. LOTS of crapped final drives and dropped exhaust valves. It's not a secret you know.

+kees ketsers like I've said . I don't require to ask anyone . a bloke down the pub or an online forum. Myself and many of my friends have never had any issues with any of the issues you chose to believe. I'm sure one day. if you work hard. you could own your own BMW and rid your envy. silly sausage.

+Nigel Collinson i own the super adventure so no thank you, money to spare. I owned more than 30 bikes in 20 years, including 5 bmw's which gave me nothing but trouble including the shaft drive. Bloke in pub? I have friends i ride with that own beemers and they talked me out of a new bmw. I also promised myself never to buy one again but still came very close. I do like the new gs and the lc engine a lot, just don' t trust it anymore....

Peter Sanderson You may have a point on the larger dealer / service network for BMW than for KTM up here, but the guys that I have talked to riding the old GS's tell stories about a new GS breaking down and still having to wait 2 weeks for the parts to come in. Either way, your left on the side of the road, then at a dealership that knows you have absolutely 0 options. Reliability is a big factor for me, and based on all that I have heard, BMW is so-so. I would love to know how KTM compares. So far, my Triumph Tiger has been 100%.

Virgil Lupu if a shaft is key, why doesn't a single off-road bike have one? If they break, you're done. A chain you can fix, change,... I've never had 1 issue w/ any chains on any of the 12 different bikes I've owned over the last 3 decades. Ridiculous concern. Also, the KTM probably out-performs the GS on the dirt as well since the 1190 did. Stay on your side of the street (and get left in the dust).

Is a drive shaft a key ?? in my eyes YES If a chain breaks in the middle of nowhere and you have no spare parts you are stuck either way. I have no doubt that the KTM is much better off road. It is a little bit lighter and KTM is designing theirs bike as such. SO your comment about KTM leaving me and my BMW in the dust does not concern me. I really give them that off road supremacy because my priority is not -how good is KTM or any other bike off road ???. The two bikes will be purchased mainly by, middle age guys or girls that want to travel long distance on tarmac or gravel roads. No sane person will pay $25k's include accessories and will jump in the town mud hole. I understand that you had only good experiences with chain bike and I am happy for you. As we all know most of the bikes that are going off road ,, spend half a day in mud then one hour under the power wash. None of them live to pile more then 10k miles. Either get crashed or replaced. In my recent travel across the country and to Alaska, I was lucky enough to be accompanied by a good friend of mine that was riding a Suzuki VStrom. Great Bike. We did 13000 miles in one month. If his experience with a chain bike is an example of what the people put up with a bike with a chain on long trips ?? then I will gladly pass. Regardless of the brand. Prefer to change the fluids in my drive shaft every 12k miles then having to adjust the chain every 1k mile, change the sprocket every every 10k miles on the side of the road. Remember that I am talking about a bike that weights 600 lbs plus 100lbs equipment and 220 lbs rider (plus another 150 lbs if you a have a pillion rider). That has nothing in common with that single engine Honda 250cc. I can understand some of your concern based on early 2000 new BMW drive shaft design (even do I never experience any drive shaft issues with six BMW 's and proper maintenance) but we are talking about a drive shaft generally and not specific to a brand. If you are right then every car that we see on the road should be equipped with a chain drive. It is definetelly lighter and should be more reliable ?? This was just a personnel opinion and I respect your opinion. In the long run if I ride a touring bike on dusty roads (specially full of calcium like in Alaska), I will always choose the drive shaft. Less maintenance and fewer moving parts exposed to the elements. When is about bikes ?? there is no bad brand or design. A bike is a very personel tool and it is very hard to judge. I guess the sales volume is and will be the talking factor. Based on what I see BMW with the drive shaft (reliable or not in your eyes ) , is winning so far. Again, KTM built a very nice bike (almost like a BMW) but without a drive shaft.

Virgil Lupu www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=761531.

STen - most underrated ADV bike in the world... however... having spent a fair amount of time on both bikes, you do get a lot for the extra $10,000.

Tim Allen That's how it usually works when one makes the Japan vs. Europe bike decision. If you have a priority on reliability - you go with the Japanese. Obviously I opted for the the European (Ducati in my case) giggle inducing performance - along with the fantastic electronics package - but the Tenere is a very solid package.

Tim Allen I've got 25k on my 15 multi, I'd buy it again without a second thought, it's had typical European bike annoyances but nothing I don't forget 2 seconds into every ride. The 18k valve adjustment interval is longer than most of the bikes I've owned... though it took some planning to avoid having it fall in the middle of a 13,000 miler I'm doing next April.

It also ways a shit ton more which is bad for an adventure bike

The issue is - if shaft drive fails you will have plenty of expenses as new shaft is approx $1000. It might last lifetime of a bike though and then its better value. Shaft drive reduces amount of hp that is output on rear wheel.

I was gonna suggest it too!

+Vega Rapidus The AFRICA is nothing more then a BIG-FAT OVER-WEIGHT Dirt-Bike! It has absolutely, NO-On-pavement manners. It is way to light in the front, and has no real place for extra gear for an over-night. I'm certain that this new Honda will be seen in the "Back" of Pick-Up Trucks & Trailers. To small for the road to heavy and cumbersome for the dirt. Sorry Honda nice try but the only place for this bike is in the back of pick-ups next to the WANNA BE "HARLEY (PHONY) CROWDS".

+Vega Rapidus LOL!

+Vega Rapidus Bob Seger, no DOUBT!!!!

Why is everyone so obsessed about the road of bones......NO ONE IS GOING THERE! Adventure is not equal to heavy offroading. There are people riding all around the world on a 2-stroke scooter.

Come and ride to Leh/ladakh in India :-) Your concepts will change forever :-)

Could not be done by THEM. People have ridden that route on Honda shadows....come on. Grow up.

not talkin bout that road fool i am talkin about the 20,000 mile road trip from london to new york eastern route including russia infamous road of bones there is a whole filmed series of it called the long way round look it up before tellin me to grow up i know my facts and there is recorded proof in the series of ktm spokespeople stating the trip cannot be done and bmw said yes it can and gave the equipment to them series is on hulu and maybe netflix

Agreed. I like that other brands are competing in this space now... but the GS.... AMAZING.

giff74 Say that to Harley-riders...

giff74 You're totally right. Like Harleys, plenty of riders buy these bikes for the look. There are also riders who buy these machines to ride them on trips that can take four, five, six weeks or more but, in my experience they're the minority. I still recoil a bit when someone compliments me on the look of my '06 12GS. To me it looks about as beautiful as a damned snowblower. As for the weight of these bikes I can only speak for the Beemer but it is incredibly nimble - and comfortable (once you get an aftermarket seat). It's the perfect machine for the Iron Butt, 1,000 miles per day. This is my 50th year of riding and I've had a lot of machines - Japanese, British, American. The GS is my ideal bike.

They all forget one big problem,many of us are in the range of 170cm tall.....so none of the above is suitable bike.

how tall you have to be to ride confidently the BMW? there is also the option of lower suspension and seat.

@@rdrdrd1 Definitely not so as reliabe and sturdy as the Japanese bikes are in all aspects, though you've previously owned pretty much of a many a coupler brand bikes, should try one of the Italians though, but yeah I'll just stick to my Japanese sushi Lol..!!

Renato Piereck fi

Chinese motor........... bet you didn't know that.

+Max Flight the ktm were good they took it to the dirt !

hammerki1 Exactly

hammerki1 Big ass ADV bikes are useless in dirt, they are for starbucks drinking middle agers to putt around log roads and brag about the mud puddle they purposely drove through multiple times.

Cube210 Lol, that's why I sold my GS, couldn't stand the community and culture around adv bikes.

BrawndoScream Wonder how long before somebody throws out the usual "Well I rode to Alaska once" line as though it makes them superior for having shipped their bike and rode during the sunny season.

+BrawndoScream You sold your bike based upon what other people think...? Wow.

XL Adventure Motorcycle Rider I'll add that neither had knobby tires either.

E-Nonymouse : typical BMW.....make a high suspension bike with low suspension as a paid option so any idiot can ride it....what the hell do you do with a lowered "high suspension" bike??? Just buy a damn road bike bunch of posers!! What use is an adventure bike without ground clearance? Shows exactly the manager type who buys the GS.

+Russell Stromberg IF the ktm were good they took it to the land !!

+Sérgio André Not land DIRT!!

sorry Sergio, don't quite understand what your trying to say buddy. but if i tried it in Italian it would be total gibberish :)

+Russell Stromberg Sergio is definitely not italian, because in italy we write that name without accents on the vowels... but he's for sure a BMW fanboy....

Neither make sense. F800GS doesn't hold a candle to the 1190 and the original article still smacks of a propaganda piece.