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BMW VANOS Masterclass - Tear down + why it fails with MR VANOS - E36 M3 Touring Ep 09 

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As a BMW fan VANOS is something I'd heard of for a long time, mainly because they do like to fail, sometimes catastrophically! But truth be told I had no real idea how it actually worked.
I wanted to get my S50b32 unit refurbished, so invited Steve AKA MR VANOS down to share a slice of his knowledge. What Steve doesn't know about these engines probably isn't worth knowing, so it was great to have him disassemble the unit for me and discuss just how they work, and ultimately what causes them to fail.
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00:00 - Intro
00:12 - Introduction
04:03 - Removing the VANOS
05:10 - VANOS Overview
06:36 - Broken Plastic Washer
07:33 - Solenoid Explanation
07:46 - VANOS Oil Process
09:17 - Modern VANOS Units
10:29 - VANOS Disassembly Begins
10:50 - Oil Pump Analysis
13:10 - Exhaust Cam Piston
13:50 - Solenoid Cover Removal
14:00 - Solenoid Analysis
17:00 - Solenoid Removal
17:45 - Solenoid Wear
19:08 - Broken Cover Bolts
21:18 - Upgraded Seals
23:10 - Intake Cam Piston
24:04 - Final Disassembly
24:25 - High Pressure Valve
25:39 - Fully Stripped Unit
25:50 - Oil Path
26:17 - VANOS Timing Control
26:44 - Oil Pump Wear
27:30 - Oil Change Importance
28:34 - Refurbishment Process
29:40 - Wear on my VANOS
30:50 - VANOS Rattle Explained
34:58 - S50 Head Removal
36:35 - Updated Oil Pump
37:44 - Valve Buckets & Clearances
40:10 - Valve Springs
42:08 - Throttle Body Balancing
43:34 - Head Removal
43:47 - Head Gasket Analysis
44:06 - Valve Analysis
44:40 - Block Analysis
45:15 - Piston Damage
46:12 - Cylinder Bore Analysis
48:15 - Timing Chain
49:59 - Outro
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@sweeney5296
@sweeney5296 2 года назад
Man this guy is sharp. He should be engineering components to replace OEM.
@yojay1
@yojay1 2 года назад
The best video on YT for S50 Vanos. Absolute treasure trove of info. Mr Vanos is a legend!
@woocash2139
@woocash2139 2 года назад
Mr VANOS needs to read-up on the s50b30 vanos units as he is wrong. These were not 2 stage but continuedly variable. The 1st 2 stage vanos unit was on the M50TuB25. Strange how a "VANOS expert" would get his so wrong.... The S50B30 VANOS was the same as the intake side only of the S50B32. The USA spec 3.0 M3 had a S50US engine which is from the M50Tu family... Also its not running at 120bar but 150bar. 42:00 the holes in each primary of the headers are for a tool used to measure exhaust gases used to correct the idle mixture adaptations. Not a "clear leftover unused sensor hole from motorsport". You need BMW TIS for this process. Thanks for the video, looking forward to the next one!
@farturinn
@farturinn 2 года назад
Yeah,, bit of missinformation regarding the S50B30 unit. The Rolls Royce vanos unit is essentially the same on when it comes to the intake side when looking at the S50B30 and the S50B32. The exhaust side of the B30 is just an oil pump. I also would like to know if the intake side on the B32 moves 60deg and not 40+ like the B30 because the gears look the same. Later in the video he names the B32 the S52.. just to confuse things a bit more. Good video though
@DC_DC_DC_DC
@DC_DC_DC_DC 2 года назад
I confirm this
@DaleSteel
@DaleSteel 2 года назад
Nice. Mr Vanos the number one place for your bmw straight 6.
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
Such a great level of knowledge
@stoss-11
@stoss-11 2 года назад
This was a very dope video to watch. Ended up watched till the end and learned a lot ! Super interesting to see how bmw's vanos system has evolved over the years
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
Welcome to what I’m sure will be an exclusive club of people who watched the entire thing 😅 Glad you found it interesting!
@fozpringle1
@fozpringle1 2 года назад
@@EvolveAutomotive challenge accepted
@craigvalentine1547
@craigvalentine1547 2 года назад
Watched the whole thing too. When's the second video due?
@sivz87
@sivz87 2 года назад
@@EvolveAutomotive Guys reviving an old thread... just a quick 1 , I was wondering what material is the m52 single vanos casing made out of as I broke the casing by messing around with the vanos solenoid so i need to know what material the vanos casing is made off so I can do some solid mending or the casing part thats broken off
@jorgesilvano
@jorgesilvano 2 года назад
Awesome job Mr. Vanos!
@InitialD604
@InitialD604 2 года назад
this degree of knowledge and experience is hugely valuable on RU-vid....I hope you guys make more like this for its own sake
@thedetailingdoctor5746
@thedetailingdoctor5746 2 года назад
This is why I love the n52 vanos system the only areas to fail are the solenoids which are 1x bolt at the front of engine and then the filter baskets on the side using 1x torx
@TypicalBlue-rq8ri
@TypicalBlue-rq8ri 2 года назад
Quality video for the mechanical minded people this is the kind of content I love to see 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@olicox2344
@olicox2344 2 года назад
Speaking on experience, Steve is well worth the wait for anyone wanting a VANOS repair/replacement 👍. He doesn't have to do a house or garage visit in his business but he likes doing it and loves Mpower engines as all the customers do and viewers looking at the video. S62 V8 and S50 straight 6's are the best over engineered Mpower engines in my view and recall he shared his fondness of them engines also. He has an E36 M3 GT2 himself and looking to do a nut and bolt restoration but considering his long waiting list and customer demand we may never get to see it done 😂 but to be fair, GT E36s are going up! Full credit to Evolve and Mr Vanos for doing the video because barely anybody goes into this much detail.
@matthewnicholas6365
@matthewnicholas6365 2 года назад
I've always had a vague idea how the vanos on my e46 worked but was a bit confused with oil pressure and solenoids and how pressure was used to change timing but the ECU did it. NOW I get it. Thanks Mr Vanos 👍
@markscott7467
@markscott7467 2 года назад
Brilliant, thoroughly enjoyed learning about the vanos system. Steve is the man, I will be getting my M3 done soon.
@aaronftw
@aaronftw 2 года назад
Quality video, had my attention start to finish. Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge!
@paulmoor595
@paulmoor595 2 года назад
What a truly knowledgeable guy. Without a doubt he's learned alot over the years. A well produced video which was super interesting.
@Haider_Malik
@Haider_Malik 2 года назад
What a fantastic insight thanks for sharing! Steve overhauled my S54 earlier this year, highly recommended!!
@suleimandc
@suleimandc 2 года назад
Love these technical videos. Keep em coming.
@mohammadbenattia9102
@mohammadbenattia9102 2 года назад
professionally educational from Mr. VANOS, This is a great channel
@Zksay
@Zksay 2 года назад
very dope video, very well explained masterpiece engineeringfor the time, we cant forget that the more special the car the more attention it demands, nothing last forever, everything needs checking and improving, preventive maintenance is king when it comes to cars like this
@q8hektor
@q8hektor Год назад
Great video I would love to watch this project to the end and gain more information please post more thank you 👍🏼
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive Год назад
Thanks - Another video is coming soon!
@q8hektor
@q8hektor Год назад
Cant wait to see it😁 i will do my timing procedure soon i really appreciate if you can show it in details done by professionals
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive Год назад
@@q8hektor going to be honest engine assembly and timing are probably a ways off, much more needs to be done before that stage.
@q8hektor
@q8hektor Год назад
Best of luck
@ryder2shae
@ryder2shae 2 года назад
Awesome video. Pleasure to learn something from the Man itself, Mr Vanos.
@benhainsworth1247
@benhainsworth1247 2 года назад
Made it to the end, actually quite informative.
@jamest5149
@jamest5149 2 года назад
Great content and conversation.
@thedetailingdoctor5746
@thedetailingdoctor5746 2 года назад
Cracking advice on the bearings you don’t need them don’t waste your money. Love people who do business like this put the client before making money
@technique275
@technique275 2 года назад
Thanks for posting. Same engine in my M Coupé.
@HussainAli-ke1kk
@HussainAli-ke1kk 2 года назад
Really appreciate content like this
@thedetailingdoctor5746
@thedetailingdoctor5746 2 года назад
Epic video guys ! Love it
@tomnewmanrotta
@tomnewmanrotta 2 года назад
Evolve this is mega content! more of this please!!!
@jonty4664
@jonty4664 2 года назад
Brilliant as always ☕️
@raduorban
@raduorban 2 года назад
Really really good video. Thank you 💪💪💪💪
@GeesDrive
@GeesDrive 2 года назад
Fascinating, great vid guys.
@icebear1935
@icebear1935 2 года назад
Wow what a video. Dr Vanos fixed mine
@992turbos8
@992turbos8 2 года назад
I’ve been very fortunate as I’ve had no issues on my S54 that I’ve had for 8 yrs and an S85 for 4 yrs and S63 for 2 yrs but I’ve herd others had nightmares . I’ve move on to Porsche with there VarioCam Plus .
@m3nine11
@m3nine11 2 года назад
No you haven’t, that’s very normal. Vanos units do fail however failure rate is not as common as the internet makes it out to be.
@antn537
@antn537 2 года назад
Really enjoyed this video, watched it all the way through, this is someone that really knows his stuff 👍 One small suggestion though, try not to talk over him when he’s explaining something. A huge contrast to all the half-baked nonsense that Hoovie comes out with when he’s talking about BMWs on his channel, particularly the advice on maintenance, as he buys junk cars and then wonders why they’re not perfect.
@TS-qd2uj
@TS-qd2uj 2 года назад
You are so right about your small suggestion. I found myself wondering why he wasn't simply letting THE OBVIOUS EXPERT in the building explain things without interruptions. Otherwise, great video all the way to the end. As for the condition of the engine, somebody hasn't been doing regular oil changes for a while.
@thedownshiftchannel
@thedownshiftchannel 2 года назад
Good work matt
@agp-Garage
@agp-Garage 2 года назад
Great video, very informative👍
@farturinn
@farturinn 2 года назад
Hmm.. I was under the impression that the S50B30 had constantly variable vanos, just on the intake compared to the intake/exhaust on the B32. At least I am able to control it constantly variable within 40 degrees of movement using VEMS ECU The intro is a bit confusing, the single stage VANOS was not used on the S50Bxx, but rather the M50 series. The Vanos on the McLaren is constantly variable on the intake.
@vosedon
@vosedon 2 года назад
Great video,, PLEASE DO THE S62 Dr!
@terrybarkman3219
@terrybarkman3219 2 года назад
It’s a good thing he talks about this as the gasket on the exhaust on my 3,2 is lightly leaking oil. Will have to investigate
@sjgrundy
@sjgrundy 7 месяцев назад
Brilliant video- totally straight up sincere good bloke 👍 Thoroughly enjoyed it :-) Does anyone know the BMW part number for the metal E46 S54 oil pump cover ring which Steve recommended using in place of the plastic E36 one which breaks and falls out?
@sh1tstainednappy209
@sh1tstainednappy209 2 года назад
Something really satisfying about watching this
@Covkiller
@Covkiller 2 года назад
This video is gold
@ValladolidArde
@ValladolidArde 2 года назад
mr vanos is a boss. Where is the followup video?
@cookiespamintel4607
@cookiespamintel4607 2 года назад
I was looking exactly for that knowledge but for the e46 m3 vanos but still great video
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
We have 2 S54 engines cars, maybe we’ll do another, perhaps a little shorter 😅
@cookiespamintel4607
@cookiespamintel4607 2 года назад
@@EvolveAutomotive thats what a love to hear the s54 is a masterpiece first thing I plan to do once I buy mine for my channel Its to buy your airbox brings the engine to life and joy to the ears 🙏🏾
@jamest5149
@jamest5149 2 года назад
Bluepoint Technician socket set… awesome, great quality and coverage. Edited due to auto correct 🤦‍♂️
@Jeremias261
@Jeremias261 8 месяцев назад
I believe that its the best explication of vanos that exist in youtube,don't speak english and its difficult understanding sometimes,but I believe that its clear in my mind,later its other thing when have in front the vanos in the table,but I can test. Definitely goes to repair the solenoid and change the gaskets and putting upgrades. Its possible but titanium bolts for replace the tapes? The part of oil-pump,that was looks a holes covered,what's realize? Change oil pump or drill orifices? I want looks the next process,for me fuck Netflix this its better oh yess!! Thank you so much for your time,patience and dedication for explain all process.
@1337Hans
@1337Hans 2 года назад
Do the oil pump hub tabs break on these like on the S54? The design is pretty much identical so I would think this would also be a problem here?
@idonjohnson6999
@idonjohnson6999 2 года назад
P.S. mine was produced in march 1998 and my unit had that thin retainer clip on it. So I doubt it's production related and just whatever unit was taken off the shelf when the engine was built. I'm not 100% sure, but I recall my unit having no washer ring at all fitted anymore.
@grad0n
@grad0n 2 года назад
Awesome
@timhickey9687
@timhickey9687 2 года назад
Lots of great content here, but i can't help but feel like Mr Vanos could have elaborated more if he hadn't been cut off so often. Learn to listen and perhaps wait until the end to ask your own questions.
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
Noted, I’m certainly no interviewer!
@usman1alam
@usman1alam 2 года назад
in an SMG E46 M3, how would you know when its time to replace the vanos?
@williamknight7648
@williamknight7648 Год назад
I'm curious... what's the part number for the metal oil pump retaining disk? Mines worn, big yuck haha
@sivz87
@sivz87 2 года назад
Guys reviving an old thread... just a quick 1 , I was wondering what material is the m52 single vanos casing made out of as I broke the casing by messing around with the vanos solenoid so i need to know what material the vanos casing is made off so I can do some solid mending or the casing part thats broken off
@craigvalentine1547
@craigvalentine1547 2 года назад
Quality video. A couple of questions if you see this. Are the chains the same on other engines? And the constant pressure valves. Are they worth changing? Currently dropping an s50b30 in my E30.
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
According to RealOEM the timing chain is shared with other M engines such as S14 and S38. The CPV on the side of the block is worth changing, or rather the seal is for a vitron one. Very difficult/impossible to do with exhaust manifold installed.
@craigvalentine1547
@craigvalentine1547 2 года назад
@@EvolveAutomotive thanks for the swift reply. Luckily ATM my manifolds are off as I'm getting the s50 ones modified to suit the E30. I'll get it done asap. Will price up a chain. Done my rod bearings just. I do have a lumpy idle so if it's not an electronic issue I'll be ringing Mr vanos for a quote as it could be vanos. Thanks
@zacrl1230
@zacrl1230 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, I'm glad I did this job when I did my swap. Picked up a Dr. Vanos single unit for $180. . . that same unit is $375 these days. . . .
@SuperLitherland
@SuperLitherland 2 года назад
proper bloke
@idonjohnson6999
@idonjohnson6999 2 года назад
I have experienced total disintegration of the unit and noticed the much bigger circlip on the later replacement units made by Sachs vs the original Roll Royce units. But I doubt the plastic washer plays a part here. I mean, it just sits loosly on top the needle bearing and sure itsn't going to hold in the bearing(race). That must be that circlip. I recall my replacement unit not having a washer on top at all and it's been 7 years since I fitted it.
@abdillahkaizoku2280
@abdillahkaizoku2280 2 года назад
18.08 is what happend to me yesterday..the bolt got loosed and my oil just spruts all over the engine..after we checked and open the cover on the solenoid cover, one of solenoid tip got stripped off.. We changed the two seals n tried repaired the tip just to let the o rings sits..n use new bolts on the cover..but then after we start no more oil coming out but then i think we advanced the timing...how to solve this ??
@wendelljones9590
@wendelljones9590 10 месяцев назад
HI Guys where can i find a vanos seal kit in the net? I am all the way in South Africa and i have a S52 which is in need of a service on the dual vanos
@idonjohnson6999
@idonjohnson6999 2 года назад
Could the metal washer be from an E39 M5 unit? The washer isn't listed in the E46 M3 parts diagrams, unless it's not where you'd expect it. It is listed for the E39 M5 unit. Also I would and have always taken off the gauze filters on the solenoid. These always break down and clog up the oil passages.
@darrenliddle7820
@darrenliddle7820 2 года назад
Yes
@robharrison1427
@robharrison1427 2 года назад
Great video, loved it. Interested in the comments about using the engine oil pump from the s54 engine. Interesting about the part numbers changed any time due to upgrade.
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
From memory Steve was saying that BMW list them as the same part number, so you’re not using one from an S54 as such, just that it is shared with an S54.
@porkster5924
@porkster5924 2 года назад
The Vanos unit failed on my 330Ci Coupe. Luckily a friend of mine who was a qualified BMW mechanic repaired it for me. Not a cheap repair at all and lost my faith in the car 😢
@classiccarssp
@classiccarssp 2 года назад
🙌
@iSAAConrad
@iSAAConrad 2 года назад
I’d like to see the same thing for an s54
@idonjohnson6999
@idonjohnson6999 2 года назад
BMW technical doc on their Vanos unit, write the unit operating at 100 bar.
@Ivkeeee
@Ivkeeee Год назад
When are we getting an update on this project!
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive Год назад
One day 🥲💔
@altunmammedli964
@altunmammedli964 2 года назад
great video for nowadays 🤌🏻 i follow mr vanos works, could u advise which seal brand he uses? beisan kit?
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
Would need to ask him but believe everything is his own.
@altunmammedli964
@altunmammedli964 2 года назад
@@EvolveAutomotive tnx🙏🏻 awaiting for Touring Evo🤟🏻
@glansovic
@glansovic 2 года назад
Is there another part?
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
There will be one day...
@matiudawg007
@matiudawg007 2 года назад
When's the next episode coming?
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
When I find time to work on the project again, next step needs some relatively warm (10c) weather so just waiting on that really.
@idokwatcher2062
@idokwatcher2062 2 года назад
Mr Vanos website is in a sad state: "we can't find products matching the selection"
@TraXtor_
@TraXtor_ 2 года назад
А где продолжение!?)
@MrMeoow91
@MrMeoow91 2 года назад
More like THANOS for your engine…
@srs_lol
@srs_lol 2 года назад
3:20😏
@tonymontana897
@tonymontana897 2 года назад
No wonder these Vanos units play up or fail. Just look at the colour of the oil and the amount of sludge tells me the cars they were on were neglected and the oil change intervals was way too long. Oil should be done every 5000 Kays. Forget the stupid service indicator or factory service intervals, they will destroy your engine.
@7Mario777
@7Mario777 2 года назад
120 bar ? I doubt 😉 M
@itsyourAGS
@itsyourAGS 2 года назад
24th liker and 3rd comment 😉😎
@7beast298
@7beast298 2 года назад
The ultimate driving machine that can't get (vtec) correct lol
@farkinarkin5099
@farkinarkin5099 2 года назад
This video is going to drive up the price of E36 ///M3's. :-))
@kendogg_uk8040
@kendogg_uk8040 2 года назад
how did u get that moody bastard to give up some time to make a video lmao.
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
He was apprehensive at first but we convinced him 😅
@kendogg_uk8040
@kendogg_uk8040 2 года назад
@@EvolveAutomotive was hard enough to get him to do my vanos for an s54... wouldnt think he was getting a month's wage for a couple hours work 😆
@tonymontana897
@tonymontana897 2 года назад
The stupid musical interludes are seriously not necessary here. Please don't put music in this kind of video as it becomes way too loud all of a sudden and i'm trying to watch this video early in the morning while my family are sleeping and each time I have to turn the volume down or up. Seriously frustrating stuff. I still gave you a thumbs up, don't worry.
@lighteningbolt6397
@lighteningbolt6397 2 года назад
I dare evolve to free vale swap it
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
I think you may slightly over-estimate the budget of this project 😅
@lighteningbolt6397
@lighteningbolt6397 2 года назад
@@EvolveAutomotive a man did it to miata with not to much of a high cost but I agree the actually head from freevale will cost a lot
@bilaltariq7819
@bilaltariq7819 2 года назад
Plastic washers holding in bearings, BMW "engineering" at it's finest 🥲
@jonathanbishop6996
@jonathanbishop6996 2 года назад
What happened to this series? 🤷🏻‍♂️
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
Matt is doing this in his spare time and with own money, so progress has been slow at times. It’s still continuing and there will be more videos! At some point 😅
@dominicbritt
@dominicbritt 2 года назад
Overly complicated engineering solutions… equals regular failure and expertise at stripping them down 👍
@ashleighahearne2260
@ashleighahearne2260 2 года назад
It fails because its a BMW
@MrVocalist101
@MrVocalist101 2 года назад
i dunno man!?, it doesnt really seem like he knows what hes talking about!?....like hes trying to blag it!?....no?!
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
Yes, for 50 minutes he blags a subject that he has spent 14 years on, whilst disassembling everything.
@MrVocalist101
@MrVocalist101 2 года назад
@@EvolveAutomotive haha sorry mate i was being sarcastic!?, man definitely knows his way around a vanos!! lol
@EvolveAutomotive
@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад
Sarcasm can be quite hard to get across unfortunately 😅
@MrVocalist101
@MrVocalist101 2 года назад
@@EvolveAutomotive haha yeah for sure! lol. great video by the way, as an e36 lover i found it hugely interesting! 👍
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