You never really appreciate how amusingly/horrifyingly manipulative Nucky is until the second viewing. Nobody else in that room could’ve gotten that thief to talk as easily as him.
It's kinda of a miracle Doyle lasted as long as he did in this game. I can only think that Nucky thought he's too stupid to double-cross him so it was worth to keep him around.
@GizzoTV Guy got caught by Police. He got some shots off, but you can clearly hear them shout at him to get on the ground. With all the cops watching that warehouse, there was no way he'd get out again.
@@WillAnderson3rd Funny how Steve Buscemi has the guy who plays Billy Leotardo and Tonino in this show killed even if he didn't do it himself in Boardwalk Empire. (Chris Caldovino)
Doyles is fairly self aware about his own stupidity which seemingly keeps himself alive. Even here he admits his imbecility directly and doesn’t mince words about his failure. There’s a certain amount of competence in his approach that makes him useful even when he is known to fuck up from time to time.
Moral of the story: If you’re ever questioned after being caught doing something, be scared of the interrogator who comes to you in a calm manner….not the guy showing aggressiveness.
…and between this and “Pulp Fiction”, you learn that if someone questioning you begins discussing eating a healthy breakfast, you’re in really deep trouble…
This always stands out to me as one of the most brutal and cruel deaths in the whole series. This guy has been caught stealing a significant amount from Nucky Thompson, a known gangster of sorts, given that he's been tied up in a warehouse, he would be correct to presume he's going to die. Having been given some time to resign himself at least partially to his likely fate, it would seem almost impossible that Nucky Thompson himself would arrive and grant forgiveness or at least a non-fatal punishment lol. But miraculously, he appears to have been saved. Suddenly he has this burst of joy and immense appreciation for life that he never had before. And just as quickly as it came, it was snatched away, the agony of knowing it's all about to end in seconds.
Gangsters punish people who show disrespect , as if they didnt all would try and fuck him! Certain people you just dont rob from. Dont rob from the mob! Id have whacked that snake Doyle well before this.
Clever way to interrogate, most gangsters would just get nasty and torture the guy for however long until he gives up the names of his accomplices, but Thompson only took a cup of coffee and spend 3 minutes. He's the master of the art of conversation.
My absolute most favorite thing about Mickey Doyle was me constantly asking myself, "How the fuck is this guy still alive" You just have to respect him at this point, it's a damn miracle he's still breathing
It's funny, he's a character literally no one in the show likes, he's an idiot, has no charisma, constantly gets himself in bad situations, and yet somehow he managed to survive almost to the end.
lol Nucky invents the good-cop bad-cop routine right here. "I'm your friend, I promise. who did you work with?" "Roland Smith." "Thanks. I'm your enemy again, kill him Manny."
Nucky was at his best when he utterly outclasses his opponents by reading the room and manipulating them. Perhaps Manny Horvitz could’ve beaten the information out of the man, perhaps not, but Nucky effortlessly gets him to spill his guts while simultaneously chewing out his underling. He’s so brilliantly two-faced that you can’t help but root for him most of the time.
@@thomaschristopherwhite9043 No, he's being utterly self-destructive. This kind of shit is as made-for-TV as it gets. In real life, people like Nucky Thompson invariably get killed by underlings for being too unpredictable and insecure. Flamboyant antics like this don't work.
in Goodfellas they say that when gangsters kill you, they come at you as friends, and seeing as thats based on a true story, I'm more or less convinced that gangsters do actually use this tactic.
The actor who plays Mickey is fantastic. The character he plays in this show compared to House of Cards couldn't be any more opposite. Both roles he absolutely slays. I remember watching this series for the first time thinking Mickey would be killed in season one with all of his idiocy and people he gets into trouble with. Glad he (almost) made it through the entire show.
Doyle was like the perfect yes-man. Everyone knew he had charisma and yet wouldn't hurt a fly. He made his own plays but always gravitated back to the guy in charge, Nucky
Kinda like Tony Soprano when he kills the kid Matthew Bevalaccqua; start friendly like your gonna make out alive, only to turn and whack him moments later.
The main difference is the audience knew 100% that Tony was going to murder Bevilaqua for what he and Sean did to Christopher. Here, I was uncertain as to what Nucky's final decision would be.
@@smackedinthejaw good point. To me it felt like a blend of what happened to Rizzo on the Godfather and Bevalaqua on the Sopranos. The similarities with Rizzo is that like Rizzo, they were calm and wanted to get as much info as possible as to who else was involved, both were given a false sense that their lives would be spared. Like Bevalaqua, he was brought in to an empty building, questioned, and also gave them the false sense that they would be ok but, as you said, the audience absolutely knew Bevalaqua was going to be killed.
The actor that played Micky did a amazing job. He truly acted out a man who is a brainless lunatic 🤣🤣 that laugh and Mick's actions always have me rolling haha ... idk how he managed to stay alive soo long
Start on Metalocalypse next. Out of context scene? If this doesn't convince you, nothing will: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SxOtD7OZ294.html
So many great actors on this show. The guy who plays the polish monster from Philly was great in this show. I forget his name. I absolutely loved this series. This The Sopranos and The Wire and first season of True Detective where my favorite from HBO.
All those guys in the interrogation room end up getting killed off in the show. Slater was killed by Masseria’s men, Manny was killed by Richard Harrow, Mickey Doyle was shot and killed by Luciano and Nucky was killed by Jimmy Darmody’s son Tommy Darmody. Oh and the thief is killed by Manny.
It was pretty dumb for the thief to steal from a warehouse full of liquor in the first place. Since this was during prohibition he had to know that anybody who owns enough liquor to need to put it in a warehouse is obviously somebody operating outside the law and probably somebody with lots of underworld connections. It's the same reason that if I was a thief today and I came across a large stash of heroin - I would walk away.
I love how Owen refuses any breakfast here and stands reservedly in the background. It fits perfectly with what he's always been on the show -- a stoic (perhaps indifferent) man, an ideal enforcer that does whatever he's asked and only speaks when needed! It really contrasts with the slimey way that Doyle laughs. However, I don't think Owen was ever invested in helping Nucky even though he never spoke an ill word against him. His affair with Margaret was more than just disrespectful to his boss's dignity. It also suggested that he probably wouldn't have sticked around if it weren't for her presence. Once he whacked that guy who betrayed the IRA, he probably would've hopped on a boat with a one-way ticket back to Ireland.
Nucky was already a gangster. If he was already ordering murders in the first episode, it's tough to believe he never killed anyone as Sheriff or during the years the Commodore was in prison. He had his own floor in the Ritz, was extorting every illegal and legal business in the city, running brothels and casinos, and just became the premier bootlegger in Atlantic City. Rothstein was a gangster but he didn't personally kill anyone in the series. Neither did Torrio or Masseria since they had people to do it for them. Jimmy was someone Nucky had to kill himself since he ordered a hit on him and to prove to Owen and Manny that he was willing to get his hands dirty. He also started the Chicago fire according to Torrio.
MICKEY DOYLE SERIES FINALE SPOILERS (Also it takes a bit of time to make my point as I need to ramble about my past a bit to make it. Hopefully it should be at least mildly entertaining to read through haha, though, please try to keep up with my odd sort of flow, it's all relevant in the end lol.) I completely agree, there's no way Mickey would have lived essentially to the very end of the show minus one episode if he was as dumb as he appeared. Mickey has a very unique sound to him, and I think I understand the principals of it, because I am quite similar in a strange fashion. Paul Sparks is the man who plays Mickey, but he does not sound like Mickey at all when speaking normally, but it's recognized he has a very large depth of voice control. Like Paul, I happen to be gifted with a rare vocal range. I didn't even know it was a gift until somewhat recently in my life. I was a very quiet child, and a shy teen who mumbled awkwardly a lot of the time. This continued into my early 20s with a little bit of improvement here and there. Then I did something I was very nervous about, at the age of 22 I re-entered food service, an experience I had previously swore to never do again. Something amazing happened though. It was at Tim Hortons, and somehow, while it was work, it didn't really suck or stress me out, it was chill. Because I was relaxed I was free to hone my skills at a comfortable pace, looking back I know I was turning heads before long behind the scenes, rookies (less than a year) shouldn't be able to do the things I was doing. What I also know is that I was mocked for my voice all the time, sometimes even by customers. It didn't get to me for the most part, but it always stung during the moment. Since I have never worked with a male in customer service of any kind, I did not know how to speak to customers like a professional man would, indeed, I spoke in a somewhat flirty effeminate manner. I was confident that most didn't think I was gay, just cheerful and playful, I was very popular with the customers, there was a lot of jealously in the workplace, as much as everybody usually seems to hate it, one thing everybody loves is when they're a customer's favourite (it's coffee, not burgers lol), so naturally one thing everybody hates, including myself, is when a customer openly appears to like somebody more than you, despite how hard you try. I actually have this one old guy who just god damn hates me, I understand he believes I short him coffee when pouring, a reasonable reason to dislike my service if it were actually true. One of my top ten recurring compliments is that I always fill it right near the top lol. So basically this just keeps going, I kept getting better, and over time, I started exploring a deeper tone of voice, more like a man would, and at some point I obviously hit a chord that sung true and I stuck with it. Over more time it had completely evolved into an entirely new voice, I considered it my work voice, as I used an entirely different sort of scraggy voice at home. My work voice was something entirely different, it was deep, smooth, and sort of entrancing, my number one compliment of all time, the one I get at least a few dozen times every single day at work, is that I have this god damn amazing voice, and that I should be a radio host, announcer, or whatever, something showcasing my voice. This one guy even said I am the white Morgan Freeman, which while hilarious, made me start taking my voice seriously. Now fast forward a good bit later yet, presently I am not just popular, I am a god of sorts in this mall, and while my worshipers are all among the customer base, I am respected and admired often by my co-workers since there's no denying I am very good at what I do. I was actually gone for half a year working a different job for a new experience. As soon I declared my intent to return to my good friend who is also the manager, word spread fast. The shock wave of the news going public seemed to affect one co-worker in particular, he is just like me, a very seasoned veteran of the job, he's also undeniably popular with the customers as well. He was a new acquisition of ours during my absence, so he had never seen me before now, he was clearly interested to meet me at last after a half year of constantly hearing things about this one guy everybody seems to miss. Amusingly, he didn't seem to fully understand at first who I was. In the mall we work at, there's a lot of job surfing going around, people just swoosh from one job to the next, I've known people who have worked at least 10 different jobs in that mall across the years, he believed I was simply a very popular mall rat employee, a man diva of sorts lol. So he's watching me under the impression I'm new at the job, even going so far as to babysit me here and there, even though most of my awkwardness was because the buttons moved all over the place on the tills haha. (and we have a very expansive menu, throughout the submenus, there's probably a couple hundred buttons we could possibly need to find out of the blue.) Before the day was over he started to realize I actually knew what I was doing. During the second day it's clear I'm better than him, he's clearly troubled by it and continues to try and compete with me. I almost feel threatened by him as well, I do after all clearly have quite an ego, even if I believe it's justified in this fashion. However, my worry slips away when I think how much experience he has, and factoring in that I have taken almost a year total off during long-term breaks from the job, I believe he has even more experience than I do. Yet I am superior to him in multitudes in some important aspects, and not weak to him in any other aspect. Despite his above average skill, he shows no signs of further improvement and is actually openly disliked in the workplace behind his back to a degree I never knew before, mostly because he is an annoying prick, while I'm just annoying but lovable in a way. but I'm starting to hit new strides I never hit before, he will never ever be a threat to my throne so long as I choose to hold it. Anyway, that was going a little off topic, I'm mostly talking about this voice I developed for work. It became truly magnificent, and over time I started even using it outside of work in all other situations. It was my breakthrough voice, suddenly I had this identity to myself that I had always tried so hard to express. I imagine Mickey Doyle being the same in a way. Maybe not the circumstances of how it came to be, or the impact it had on people around him, it still him an identity, something he never felt he had before, but he found an identity in this voice and personality that he loved and came to embrace as his regular voice. Mickey is a very vein man just like me, like how he changed his name in the first episode to fit a persona he wanted. What I also know is that with a slightly sinister edge, a guy like me or Mickey Doyle can use this avatar of ourselves as an additional mask. As carefree as me and Mickey are, we're always alert and know what the situation is, even if we don't act like it or even acknowledge it at times.
At the real beginning of this scene I noticed that Owen (Nuckys Irish Bodyguard) was staring at Nate longingly with pity either because he felt bad about knowing he will be murdered or because he knows that he could end up in that chair if he's caught with Margaret.
Doyle should have been apologizing to Nucky, saying that "I didn't know it was yours". That way you show respect to the man's name. All you can do in that situation, tied up with a gun at your head, is appeal to their ego, because their logic is to end you. Look at Van and Capone when Capone had him on his knees. Still I don't know if it would have helped in this situation though.
Well, 1st of all, most of them are sadists, so... there's that :D And 2nd of all, he never actually said he's going to let him go, just that he understands him, and I don't think he lied there. He's a crook himself, he's aware others do to. It's just business.
