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I Like YOUR Videos, because You explain what You are doing as You do it,That is how I learn the the fastest, Please don't change that!. If someone doesn't like it, They can turn off the sound themselves.
Hi Ryky, Again, another Great video! I bought the kit after watching Kramer say Chosera and hearing you talk so fondly of the brand. Found it on eBay for a discounted price and have never looked back. Thank you for all of your videos.
With the "buy right the first time" philosophy... This is my first set of stones. I was given a set of German knives by a relative who upgraded and added a Victorianox chefs knife and have been learning the ins and outs of sharpening on stones. I grew up with pocket knives and a ceramic steel, but it's taken me a while to get used to the muscle memory for stones. It took me a while to get there on my end, but the stones and the bridge don't seem to have ever been a problem. I can now get everything in the kitchen razor sharp. (Yesterday I bought a King KDS 1000/6000 for a friend, I imagine he'll be kind enough to let me try it out.) (:
I just got into sharpening. I for a first time, put your video in front of me and mimicked your motion. I have to say I noticed that I had to start with a about a 300 grit to get that bur. I then moved to a 600 than 1200. That's all I had at start. The junk knives came out sharp not razor but did cut paper nicely. Thanks. I realize this is an older video. Hopefully I will hone my skill as well as my knifes.
I’m just starting out with stones. I have a small collection of pocket knives and multi tools. Nothing as fancy as your beautiful chef knives. I am afraid of damaging my more expensive knives so to start I purchased a 3 stone kit from Walmart... the stones are simply corse,medium and fine. Reviews I’ve seen on RU-vid people are able to use the same kit to produce a nice edge (paper test, shaving). After watching a handful of your videos I’m feeling more confident. Wish me luck! As I improve I’ll upgrade to better quality stones. Last thing I’ll say is it’s frustrating. You make sharpening look so effortless. My first attempt had my wife laughing at me as my result was a blade dulled more then when I started.
Seeing you cut through the paper makes me realise how dull my “sharp” knives are. I use dads chisel stone which is appx 1000 grit and 3000.. however it has a massive hollow out of the middle and I struggle to get sharp edges as the knives cut into the stone
Great video. You would think with a high quality set like this they would at least include a storage case of some sort to keep it together. But otherwise this set looks like a good investment.
Thanks for the wealth of information. I just ordered the sharpening set and look forward to bringing my block of J.A. Henckel knives back into use and throwing out the super sharp (when new) knives from Sam's Club. Alton Brown started my knife curiosity , Bob Cramer advanced it and you just put a finish on it. I'm hooked!
Dude. Highly disagree on your “dulling” process. The blade still CLEARLY cuts and you CLEARLY hold it different and treat the blade different so it doesn’t cut. And the super feather light weight pressure on the brick….come on!!!!! You do this every video 👎🏻
i did actually really like this format, i do feel like you got a feel for the stones through audio and visual, and some useful info about them in the end, as much as i love your thoughts along the way you actually got through an unboxing with 5-6? items + a brief sharpening session on all stone + conclusion in 37 minutes. Also be carefull with the term better, as you spoke about these things are subjective, i think the 2 stones that spoke to me mostly was the 400 and 3000, but that's just qualities that i personally value =)
i spoke my opinion based on this one use. it' wasn't a total review. so, i'll have more sessions with it, with different knives, and i'm sure my opinions will change as well
Really good to see a video with the sharpening and conclusion separated. It feels like it gives a more realistic view on the sharpening and stones when you show a true sharpening session. You get a better idea how fast they are, what they sound like, how often you have to wet them etc etc... Good video!
FWIW to me the 1k Chocera is the gold standard for Nakato stones! I prefer the softer feel of the Chocera stones vs the Shapton Pro or Glass. That said the 320 Shapton Pro is one of my favorite Arato stones. The Chocera 10k is probably the best synthetic Shiageto I have ever used. If I could only have one stone for everything I could probably survive with just the 1k Chocera (although that would suck as I have at least 60 synthetic and over a dozen natural!). Weird to have a single Nugura stone for all of them! Each grit should have its own Tomo Nugura IMO.
So I bought the Kramer water bridge and cleaning stone and the stones you recommended the King 300, King 1000, and Suihero 5000 grit on Amazon.for a total of $188 waaay cheaper than the $300 Kramer/Zwilling kit
Nice demonstration. Personally, I prefer it when you are dialoging as you sharpen. More information is better. Thanks for the video! Oh, and have you considered taking off the wedding ring while sharpening? Not for the sake of the stone, but for the ring. I don't know if your wife would appreciate it, if you eventually wear through it. Thanks again.
haha. thanks for the concern. my wife doesn't care, and neither do i . i would rather see wear and tear on my ring, instead of having it pristine. everything in life that has use, will show wear.
Based on the Kramer reputation and this video, I picked this up from C&M, along with the Kramer CS this weekend for 20% off. In comparing the equivalent Chosera stones and adding the necessary bridge to equal this kit, I found this kit to be less expensive by nearly $100. After many years of experience (and money wasted on cheap items), I too fall into the "buy right the first time" philosophy camp... Talking or not talking, I like all your videos the same. I learn a lot either way. Keep up the great work!
That's my project for this evening! I've never sharpened on a whetstone of any kind, so even though I've watched you do it several dozen times on many videos, I have to find and watch your beginner one again to make sure I do it right. Luckily, I have 10+ knives I don't care about to get it right. :D
UPDATE: So I finally got around to playing with the set. I watched the Kramer video, which is basically useless in comparison to what your provide. I started with my favorite lousy knife, an old 6" Wusthof chef's knife that was sharp as a spoon. The 400 got a LOT of material off, there was a LOT of dark slurry. I kept inspecting it with my 30x jeweler's loupe and it did not seem as if I was able to get a burr at all. After 10 minutes, I moved on on to the 1,000 and worked on that for about 10 minutes as well. It seems like that would be too much time, but I was concentrating on technique, angle and trying to use the whole stone since it was my first try. The 1,000 also got a lot of material off and I still could not find a discernible burr. The 5,000 is now permanently marked by all the material it took off. I used it for about 5 minutes and stropped with it to finish up. The outcome is a MUCH sharper knife that cuts A LOT better. It even cuts paper, but not cleanly or smoothly at all. I am certain this is operator inadequacy and not related to the stones. I am happy with the set, the stones are perfect and the stand is stable. Now if I could only find a hands-on class to be able to get feedback on technique, I'd be golden. Thanks again Ryky.
The sharpening style you use in this video is different than what I have seen you use in the past. Is that just for these stones? Or is it an evolution of your style? Thanks for another great video!
This video is 3 years old. Remember watch it before go and buy my kramer whetstone kit. So saying that its been 3 years using this kit for sharpening my wusthof pro knives that use daily in my work (BBQ pitmaster) and my home knives that are more walmart knives. and the stones are still smooth and flat as the day 1.
I want to build also a sharpening kit and I’ve ordered a 1000 and 5000 stone. The seller didn’t have the 5000 stone and sent me a 8000 stone instead. Do you think I can go with the 8000 or should I return it? Thanks?
Respectfully. Why are you so surprised at the quality? Bob Kramer is a legend not only in knife-making but also in his ability to sharpen free hand. He never compromises quality. Have you seen the RU-vid videos of him free hand sharpening? You and Bob should have a throwdown! Keep up the great videos!
10:26 Naniwa or chosera? Chosera is a line made by Naniwa. And I'm pretty sure Naniwa made this set for Bob Kramer. It's just a rebranded chosera/professional stone.
Burrfection I'm sure they feel different, but I know he says Naniwa made his stones from the chosera line im two separate videos. Regardless, I'm sure Kramer made sure the quality was up to his standards before production.
@@Jim00000 Naniwa made the stones but they are not the same as the Choseras. If you wanna buy em all and check you'll see that that is true, but I already did, they're not the same.
My brother gave me a Kramer 1000x stone and I recently (11 months ago) got into Traditional WetShaving and thinking about going to straight razors . This will work if I also get a few higher grit stones.????
Love the unboxing/demo. We are able to live vicariously without spending a cent. Thanks very much! I'd like to see the Zwilling 400 vs. the Naniwa chosera professional 400.
When I first saw this sharpening set, I was super pumped toward buying it; then, I saw the 300 dollar price tag! I winded up buying a King KDS. Even though I prefer a splash and go, you can't go wrong for 45 bucks.
Scrolled through some of the comments on this video. And despite it's age, I didn't see this mentioned. Am I the only one who chuckled as you're holding that 3000 grit stone in the beginning like you're trying to show off the packaging, but you're holding it upside down?
@Burrfection would you consider doing a video where you show off how some knives with really different blade profiles perform cutting different things? Like an onion, meat, and a leafy herb. I think it would be cool to get your opinion on some of the different styles!
I'm an amateur "chef" who likes sharp knives. After wasting my $$$ on a Wicked Edge that put less of an edge than my 40 year old Lansky Sharpener, I have been on the fence about this Kramer Sharpening kit. Five minutes after watching your unboxing review, I purchased. Paid for this with the sale of that Wicked Edge and still have cash left over!! Thanks for this great video. I have enjoyed several of your other videos too.
If you can't put an edge on a knife with a wicked edge system then you are doing it wrong. Sharpening with a wicked edge is much easier than free hand sharpening but the system has some limitations on angle and size of the knife.
I can't find it in the channel, but what's the idea behind the glass stones? My assumption that the glass provides a strong base for the whetstone, sou you can use practically all of it, while if it is a whole whetstone brick, you won't be able to use the last several mm because of the stone's integrity, stone holders are in the way, etc. Also, glass is cheaper than the whetstone, so it would make the hole thing cheaper. Am I correct here? :D
If you buy this you are paying for the names only. There are great stone combinations out there for far less money. He makes great knives...they are worth what you would pay at an auction...but go somewhere else for your whetstones
How’s that so expensive. I got a professional 400,1k and 3k in a set and a very expensive sinkbridge and still only paid around 300€. How is that 400$.
Great demo Burrfection of this kit. I ordered one and yes, I like DVD's! LOL. Will take time to watch it. Your information on knives is very valuable. I won primarily Shun and also Victorinox, Wufstof, and Mercer. My question is, in sharpening the European knives, do you recommend the whetstone or use of an electric sharpener? Thanks!!
Wait, if Chosera is a separate stone company with its own manufacturing plant, why would saying his stones were made by Chosera be an incorrect statement?
point is, Chosera has always been known to be a line within Naniwa. So, when Bob Cramer says these stones are "MADE BY CHOSERA" and not NANIWA, it confused a lot of people.
Usage after unboxing is defiantly appreciated. You may even think you'll get to do a full video on them soon ... but we all know that with such a big collection it may take a while to get to every one of those. p.s. gotto get on your j-nat collection now :p
FANTASTIC VIDEO! Answered alot of questions about the kit mainly is it worth buying. I will purchase this bad boy soon. As far as your stone is concerned which of your collection do you feel is the VERY BEST? put that against the kramer stone and lets see who wins.. :)
Gotta saw its a completely different experience watching one of your videos with only the sound of knifes sharpening and cutting. Feels like im meditating or something
I like being able to hear the blade running over the stone. I've notice there is a difference in sounds between stones. Some of them give me a headache, so being able to hear them is very nice!
I really want to see your side by side comparison of these stones against the very best other synthetic stones that exist, mainly Choseras. I do believe, from experience with MANY different, that - as far as synthetic stones go - in sole terms of speed and final edge performance (leaving feeling and other factors aside) these - Chosera Glass Stones - are the very best synthetic stones that currently exist in the world. Of course, they still can’t beat the unique type of polish and final aesthetic of natural stones, though... but, again, for final edge performance versus time spent sharpening ratio alone: you just can’t beat the Naniwa Chosera Glass stones (branded Kramer stones by Zwilling), not even with diamond stones of any kind, Cerax, Shaptons, regular Choseras... these are faster and deliver a final better performance from my experience, regular Choseras coming very close only.
Great video! I know you can't make everyone happy, but hearing your opinion while sharpening is better than waiting until the summary. Thanks for the content and tutorials.
Constantinos Antoniades Get a really flat piece of floor tile or a chunk of stone countertop and get some good quality sandpaper. It’s cheaper to get into it and it works pretty well. A lot of woodworkers use that. Look up “Scary Sharp”; plenty of videos here on YT. P.S., you can find PSA backed sandpaper too. 3M makes superfine grits with PSA backing.
Ryky, I am going to go to the Hamono Festival in Seki City in October 2022. A date hasn't been set this far out, yet. But, I will be in either Kyoto or Osaka in early and mid-October and want to go to the festival. What should I look for? Will there be the "big name" (Miyabi) knives there? Or, will there only be very obscure "boutique" knives that I won't know? Or, will there be everything? I have read that the prices of knives at this festival are fantastic. I want to bring a knife home, or have it shipped, but I don't want to spend over 200 USD. What should I look for? Thanks, from a long time subscriber.
I wonder if they're basically Naniwa Superstones with a glass backing? Chocera isn't a company but a brand of Naniwa AFAIK. They don't even sell Chocera anymore, now they call them Professional. I saw a pic of the 10k, it looks like a "Snow White" more than the blue Chocera 10k. Really shocking to see them basically copy the trade dress of the Shapton Glass! Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but it's very surprising to me!
Am I the only one who got lost in the quiet moment where he said nothing and just watched the knife sharpening for the pure pleasure of it. It was like being in a different dimension.
These 3 1/2+ minute sharpening supplies ads before the video need to stop their shit. They make it look like a normal RU-vid video until you realize it’s not what you clicked. Not clever enough just very very very annoying.
are the Zwilling whetstones closer to the Naniwa Chosera/Pro or to the Naniwa Super Stones? I know Bob Kramer has made a reference to Chosera custom making them but some user comments do not seem to align to that reference by BK. Any feedback from actual users would be really helpful in helping me make a decision.
You sharpen knives but don't use a knife to cut through the plastic wrap? I would just stack all the boxes up and cut them, one after another the other first so you're not fiddling with the plastic.
Late to the punch here, but I liked relaxing and zoning out to the sounds of knife sharpening. People who say to mute the video to remove your voice are missing the point
