Boeing 737! MAX is BACK! Re-certification and understanding MCAS! Explained by CAPTAIN JOE

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Dear friends and followers, welcome back to my channel!
In today's video we'll be looking at the famous Boeing 737 MAX. What caused the grounding of this plane? What did Boeing do to get her certified? I'll give you a better understanding of the MCAS system. The easiest explanation on how the system works by using a bicycle! I'll briefly mention the Angle of Attack vane that caused the problems with the MCAS! Is it safe to fly this beautiful airplane again?
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@JoeAchilles1 3 года назад

Another brilliant video Joe, that last 90 seconds were so powerful and true, respect!

@w-peter 3 года назад

...... real words........ 👍👍👍

@flywithcaptainjoe 3 года назад

Love your first name buddy ;)

@JoeAchilles1 3 года назад

@Stefan Haha awesome buddy! Yeah love some aviation content, watched Joe's stuff for many years! Hope you're loving the M2! Cheers

@wildbill7267 3 года назад

Another disaster thanks to Trump’s FAA. Hopefully now with Biden the aviation professionals will be back in charge.

@eniangekpenyong2459 3 года назад

Yeah I'm surprised to Joe here as well... small world indeed

@repetun5553 3 года назад

Rest in Peace to these almost 350 lost souls and my condolences to their family members, friends and loved ones!

@North_West 3 года назад

Only about making profit.

@davidk7544 3 года назад

Nobody is resting.

@AnimMouse 2 года назад

@@North_West Check out Boeing's profit after those crashes.

@North_West 2 года назад

@@AnimMouse They didn't inform the pilots after test Flying and they installing the System. That why its only about making profit dumbass.

@casanford1 2 года назад

It's scary to think that the future of corporate America will only be held accountable to the amount of fatalities it takes for them to reach their next milestone. Keep loading those congressional pockets.

@code-dredd 3 года назад

The sad part is that the managers that were responsible for the bad decisions and culminated in all of this will not be held liable themselves - no one's going to prison.

@websurfin9575 3 года назад

Just like the CRIMINALS who run Washington DC!

@myusername3689 3 года назад

@@websurfin9575 The world is corrupted and that’s probably never gonna change.

@LeolaGlamour 3 года назад

Should airbus go to prison for the air France crash?

@code-dredd 3 года назад

@@LeolaGlamour Clearly, the company cannot go to prison. However, companies are run by people, and the people involved should be held liable, depending on the details of the case. For example, if managerial decisions to save a buck result in loss of life, then why shouldn't the people who put money above customer safety be held liable?

@LeolaGlamour 3 года назад

@@code-dredd So again should the managers of any plane company in the history of ever go to jail?

@iDavid4224 3 года назад

MCAS: Money Comes Above Safety

@lolb1221 3 года назад

Yep.

@99999bomb 3 года назад

Boeing : I like money Everyone :what inspired you to create the 737 MAX Boeing : M O N E Y

@MarineGeek 3 года назад

Superb

@chaoszombie9995 3 года назад

quite literally.. and it makes me SICK to think about haha

@missaisohee 3 года назад

This.

@PavanDadlani.MD. 3 года назад

Never rush when dealing with another persons life

@MA-iridium 3 года назад

Amazing video as always.. Captain Joe God bless you and keep you safe wherever you are...and thank you for the class again!!!

@typehyuga607 3 года назад

Go tell that to soldiers during war😂😂

@halleffect1 3 года назад

it's crazy how they could design a system that takes full control relying on a single sensor that can fail. Even the drive-by-wire accelerator pedal in your car has triple redundancy.

@MikkoRantalainen 3 года назад

It was intentional because 737 already had automated stabilizer trim and the reasoning was that MCAS failure is no different from stabilizer trim failure. Both have similar endcome and both must be dealt with similar action. However, as far as I know, MCAS changes the trim faster which gives less time to pilots to figure out the problem. That was the part where Boeing was greedy and instead of requiring additional training for the pilots, the got FAA to believe that MCAS was similar enough to older system that it doesn't need any extra training. The pilots should have been trained about MCAS failure handling as a memory item even if it has redundant sensors because once it fails, you don't have time to search for the correct procedure.

@mukamuka0 3 года назад

The reasons is to avoid pilot training. MCAS is actually uses both sensors (Left & Right) but not at the same time. It's switch sensors between each flight and only one at the time for that flight. This has been reveal from whistle blower that Boeing know if they are using both sensors at the same time. FAA will required them to do additional pilot training in the simulator. This because by using both sensors, it will indicated that system is safety critical and pilot needs to be train on how to react if the system fail. Boeing deliberately designed MCAS to use one sensor, so they could claim that Max plane could save Airline money because it doesn't required pilot training.

@MikkoRantalainen 3 года назад

@@mukamuka0 Wow! I didn't know that pilot training is *required* if a feature is redundant. That explains the full MCAS failure!

@abcddef2112 3 года назад

Honestly it is still a bad design, its a software fixing a hardware bug. What is actually the solution for the mcas so the plane can be recertified?

@chouseification 3 года назад

@@MikkoRantalainen people keep saying "Boeing was greedy" but completely forget that it is the _airlines_ who have to pay to train pilots and who obviously coerced Boeing into cutting corners, and they had FAA help in that regard. Trying to blame Boeing but failing to see the big picture is tragic. It was the airlines who started this whole fiasco, by being too cheap to train their pilots - so they forced the manufacturer to issue an obviously different plane under the same type certificate, so said training could be avoided.

@chrishuntley8369 3 года назад

My father flew the 727 for years and retired on that airframe in 1990. We had a reverence for Boeing. “If it’s not Boeing, we’re not going” was a saying and testament to the trust we put in the safety culture of Boeing. Since the relocation of Boeing headquarters from Seattle to Chicago in the mid 1990’s there has been a titanic shift in the focus of the company. It’s telling when a company moves its HQ from its center of R&D, design, engineering, production, and “ancestral home” to a financial center.

@drgLACity 3 года назад

I think it was the merger with McDonnell- Douglas where business executives somehow know more than the engineers.

@drgLACity 3 года назад

737 MAX and 787, the first planes built by business executives and not by airplane engineers. They should be held accountable. Safety cultures and excellence starts at the top. Chasing after short term profits clearly backfired.

@bryantcooke8357 3 года назад

Now the new slogan is Airbus or Bust.

@drgLACity 3 года назад

Now: “if it’s Boeing, we ain’t going”

@bryantcooke8357 3 года назад

@@drgLACity Airbus or Bust

@whoever6458 3 года назад

Measure twice; cut once and never take shortcuts when it comes to safety, particularly when you also have other people's lives in your hands.

@GenjiShimada. 3 года назад

I see what you did there lol

@shakiMiki 3 года назад

The problem it has often been said goes back to the Boeing/McDonnell Douglas merger. An engineer lead company, Boeing, was reverse taken over by a suit lead culture MD. An expensive false economy ensued. .

@adewouters 3 года назад

I don't think people or management teams in general knowingly took shortcuts on safety, for the sake of saving a few bucks on each flight, but unfortunately they also didn't know/understand/realize what were the consequences on safety of some decisions they took. The intention behind the MCAS was good I believe, but did they (want to) realize the side effects ? Perfection doesn't exist. The only way is to test, test, test and test again, in all kind of apparently stupid and meaningless situations. This takes time, a lot of time. And Joe is 100% right: don't rush, take all the time needed.

@Tarrasq-Eredar 3 года назад

@@adewouters and they choose not to take the time.

@stewartgrant9832 3 года назад

They'll lose another for technical reasons soon enough.

@samtobio3045 2 года назад

One of the documentaries said that Ethiopian pilots deactivated MCAS and they were in such a hard dive, that they could not manually adjust the trim. They turned the switches back on in the hopes it would trim up. Such a shame.

@leulmamuye5437 2 года назад

If you have seen the full documentary its also stated there if pilots didnt act in 10 seconds there is no going back. This 10 second was not mentioned prior to the ethiopian accident, they were just told deactivating will able them to take control back, no time limit was mentioned. Plus boeing was against the need of pilots simulation training towards max, despite the fact that the max has major system upgrade which can lead to fatal accident if action is not taken in less than 10sec( which they are expected to do without enough understading of the system)... the shame is on boeing! making them fly blindfolded

@RCShufty 3 года назад

What happens when you let accountants run a company instead of the engineers.

@HuckThis1971 3 года назад

Not just accountants. Shareholders. Quick money on the cheap! 😉 They all 🤞🤞

@MossPalone 3 года назад

If you let engineers to run it, they wont make any money. You idiot

@RealRunner7 3 года назад

James McNerney was not an accountant (he was a Harvard MBA).

@uwekonnigsstaddt524 3 года назад

Bean counters strike again!!!

@bytejourneycodes 3 года назад

@Steven Strain what happened was that the CEO needs to keep board and shareholders happy and their only concern is what colour their next Mercedes Benz S class will be.

@Alex-cw3rz 3 года назад

I think the ending message was extremely appropriate.

@flywithcaptainjoe 3 года назад

Thank you very much!

@Daniela-ys5lb 3 года назад

Agree!

@IFlyPlanes 3 года назад

I agree too, He spoke facts and was totally right about how greedy Boeing was for profit in this situation.

@TheDesperado46 3 года назад

Like this vid Capt Joe, but that sounds very ‘MzeroA’ regardless of how true it is

@MalaysianAviator737-8 3 года назад

@@flywithcaptainjoe as your subscribers and viewers, we thank you

@Evil_Knievel 3 года назад

I was flying with American Airlines from Frankfurt to the US in December 2019, or let's say, I was supposed to. Thankfully, a conscious pilot decided to turn back to the gate as he noticed a small error. It was really not a big deal but didn't want to put his passengers in danger and turned back immediately. Even though AA had to manage to rebook all the passengers and to somehow get us to the US, plus pay for the canceled flight because of technical issues, I was very thankful that the pilot decided the way he did. No money on earth brings back dead people.. Thank you!

@stanleybuchan4610 3 года назад

Nice to hear they have concious pilots!

@sushi_eats123 2 года назад

Nice fly

@Evil_Knievel 2 года назад

@Mr. E.W Good question. I honestly don't remember but he didn't make a big deal out of it. Still big enough that he had to cancel the flight.

@persona2grata 2 года назад

My understanding is that investigators discovered on the voice cockpit recording that the Ethiopian Air crew had seen the alert released after the Lion Air crash and correctly determined that their problem was being caused by MCAS, but that by the time they switched off MCAS they were simply heading down with too much velocity to pull out in time, which somehow feels doubly tragic. They were doing everything right, they just didn't have enough time to save themselves.

@dhairyashah7268 3 года назад

Captain Joe explains each and every details so perfectly that he should be teaching in the world's best Aviation University! Keep it up!!

@LaborchefDrKlenk-gb8rv 3 года назад

Don't want to say he isn't, but there are a few mistakes in this video.

@nauticalnavigator3688 3 года назад

My heart goes out to all the families affected by the max crashes. Cant imagine the horror the pilots and passengers endured while the aircraft were diving toward the ground.

@asajoseph6933 3 года назад

Everyone like this so he do a video on this. "What do pilots do in the cockpit while cruising on long haul flights" Please answer this Captain Joe.

@flywithcaptainjoe 3 года назад

I'll make a video about it then

@AlphaTrapGlitch_4569 3 года назад

@@flywithcaptainjoe YEEESS

@jan-lukas 3 года назад

While cruising, pilots need to monitor all systems, fuel burn etc.

@DeepanjanThakur 3 года назад

When they get bored, they shake it a little. " Ladies and Gentlemen, we're having some turbulence"

@MissesWitch 3 года назад

I have always wondered that actually!

@modelllichtsysteme 3 года назад

14:22 Best decision Captain Joe!

@todortodorov940 3 года назад

I respect his decision, but I do not fully understand the argument behind it. Respect to what/whom? Or does he mean to speculate on crashes before the official (NTSB or other bureau) reports?

@JxH 3 года назад

I've seen people make the very strange claim that discussion boards discussing an air accident might somehow "distract" the official investigation. Utter nonsense of course. In the case of the 737 Max discussions, one forum appeared to include an employee of Boeing or a subcontractor (speculation alert) that was an active party to the discussions and they were making outlandish excuses for Boeing, and were actively concocting reasons for blaming the pilots. His claims were strongly refuted. It's fair game that a prominent RU-vid channel (1.4M subscribers here) might wish to avoid controversy, and avoid getting ahead of the official investigation. That's fair and perfectly reasonable.

@jensmith1990 3 года назад

One would argue that she is more widely known to be ‘infamous’ rather than ‘famous’...!

@bungiesnowflake 3 года назад

wouldn't call that an argument, I'd call that a fact.

@Tamburahk 3 года назад

I am glad, that company I am working for as AMT is pushing policy of "take your time when you are doing your job, safety first" I am really glad for that

@loransalabood3386 2 года назад

Hi Joe, based on what you and other polit and eningeers have expmailed, it seems like this plane will never be stable. The fact that you need a system to monitor stalling means the frame design itself is not correct. I have read the recertification documents, bascially they added one more sensor, better manual documentation and pilot training. But the major issue (the high licklyhood of stalling) was not discussed at all anyhwere. What are your thoughts?

@rizwanwasi7019 3 года назад

"Corporate Greed" is the key word here. I want to see Mullenburg the CEO in Jail.

@pavelfernandezdotnet 3 года назад

death penalty!

@benghazi4216 3 года назад

@@pavelfernandezdotnet Exactly. When can a regular human kill 300 people and not get the death penalty?

@allgrainbrewer10 3 года назад

@@benghazi4216 ask Cuomo

@rizwanwasi7019 3 года назад

On the contrary He was given very high severance package by Boeing when he resigned. Until the last moment he was insisting that max is a safe plane. He was the guy who was behind many wrong doings in Boeing.

@benghazi4216 3 года назад

@@allgrainbrewer10 Yes his capitalist tendencies has destroyed the health care system in New York, and thus more died. But have you asked Trump btw?

@paulrowland6011 3 года назад

One thing I didn’t hear you mention, which mystifies me, is why Boeing designed MCAS to take data from only one AOA vane. Everything else on the aircraft has one or more redundancy. Neither of these crashes would have happened.

@cr10001 3 года назад

I've seen a suggestion that working MCAS off two vanes would somehow have highlighted it as a safety-critical system which would then have invoked heavier certification & training requirements. By just driving it off one vane they could pretend it was just an unimportant adjustment that nobody needed to worry about. (But I agree, just driving a system that had the potential to cause a crash, off a single sensor - and these things have a known failure rate - is just bananas).

@skyhawk551 Год назад

Yes, if it had 2 inputs, it would have required recertification of the pilots to fly it. To save money and encourage the airlines to buy the Boeing plane over the Airbus it was competing with.

@eigentlichnett8063 3 года назад

For all Germans here, I can recommend you a documentary from WDR about Boeing. It is called „Boeings tödliches System“. Very interesting!

@pauls414 3 года назад

Werde ich mir anschauen

@dietermuller6356 3 года назад

Danke dir!

@sheevone4359 3 года назад

@Steven Strain I wish more English native speakers would say that 👍🏼

@Bob31415 3 года назад

@Steven Strain I'm a native English speaker who has learned German. I recommend it. Wenn man Deutsch kann, dann wird man viele interessante Sachen lesen koennen. Deutsch ist ja eine wichtige Sprache. Sie klingt mir auch angenehm.🙂.

@abitofeverything7892 3 года назад

Thanks for this brilliant video Captain Joe. I was really mad at Boeing for such a negligent act when I actually found out what happened after the 2 737Max air crashes.

@kindervelt2005 3 года назад

Boeing got greedy and got a well-deserved smackdown.

@joedoe8931 3 года назад

Well Boeing is not a person but gets rights of a person. But executives working for Boeing and owning lots of stock of Boeing deserve convictions for all the crimes they committed including mass murder. Boeing as a corporation has executives that are very rich in money but poor in character and back bone and not very smart even . These people live off the charity of a massive corporation they have control over. They use this control to steal from everyone the corporation touches from workers to customers to government agents that are suppose to regulate the product they produce. They get to act as there own dictatorship and then sit back and claim they are just being good businessmen(businesswoman). BULL SHIT.

@Kaboomchicken 3 года назад

No the FAA was dumb

@jb894 3 года назад

Lion Air had shocking training. It was 95% their fault.

@JM-gd5rl 3 года назад

Not enough apparently. They continue their behaviors.

@jb894 3 года назад

@@richardpluim4426 737 max is the goat plane

@EVO.0w0 Год назад

As a kid always heard “ it is better to take your time to do it right than rushed and done wrong and having to do it again”. Lives lost due to greedy people from Boeing and Faa. I hope in the future they are more careful.

@stockerXRX 3 года назад

one of the people onboard ET302 was a doctor here in my city may she rest in peace

@lilianneterrelachesys273 3 года назад

@007gurubengalooru 3 года назад

Boeing will be LET OFF with a Small amount of Fine .....called "Peanuts" with the help of The GREAT CORPORATE ATTORNEYS!!! SHAME ON YOU BOEING GUYS !!!

@AnimMouse 3 года назад

10:38 When you realize that you know more about MCAS than most pilots do.

@kenmore01 3 года назад

Did

@ringofthebrave 3 года назад

If you use them too late it is too late and you won't be able to trim back. 737 should be flown with a crew of 3 people as this AC definitely needs a flight engineer on board to handle all the nasty little engineering oopsies.

@reifukaiyukikaze 3 года назад

NEO: The One

@mau5-fan 3 года назад

Your profilepicture says it all

@chensich7519 3 года назад

New engine option

@skm8838 3 года назад

@@chensich7519 Really?

@chairpara 3 года назад

1:25 “neo” stands for “new”

@djorgen 3 года назад

Shame on Boeing and the FAA! This will hurt the Boeing brand for many years to come.

@andrew_koala2974 3 года назад

It was at one time 'Going BOEING' now it is 'BOEING going' Note that BOEING is correct Boeing is not correct. Mixed Caps names are 'Given Names' ... Names given by parents to their Sons and Daughters CORPORATIONs; like the CORPSES in the morgue and the Cemetery are DEAD entities. This is why when you look at gravestones, they are written in ALL CAPS, because they are DEAD. Also why we have the BODY CORPORATE, as a body is a DEAD ENTITY. For that reason (one should not say Somebody / everybody unless referring to the DEAD. One is a unique number. One is Alive. There is No one like you, and there never will be. Therefore the correct words are > someone / everyone < The education system has become an indoctrination system that does not teach much of anything useful, nor correct grammatical English nor does it teach Latin. It merely provides information on how to pass an exam. CORPORATIONs do not care. No one can care about anything when they are DEAD. Hence their motivation is 'Money' / Constant increasing profits.

@colinwallace5286 3 года назад

Just need a couple of the NEO planes to present their pilots with another Airbus anomaly, then they will be the bad guy again.

@maplobats 3 года назад

@@andrew_koala2974 I'm curious...do people often accept your arbitrarily made up rules for grammar and naming conventions?

@colinwallace5286 2 года назад

@Jason Unless you state those numbers as a proportion of the whole group, it’s meaningless. The number of Boeings currently IN SERVICE, isn’t a lot less than the total number of planes Airbus has built since they started.

@arnetympe1481 3 года назад

I was hoping for some detailed information about the actual changes/improvements that have led to recertification. Many of the infos presented here are already widely spread. But I loved the way you presented the aerodynamical disadvantages of the 737 Max…

@PauloSergioMDC 3 года назад

You can find detailed information of the MAX recertification on the websites of both the FAA & EASA.

@PauloSergioMDC 3 года назад

@RadhaKrishnan Nair your comment is incorrect, and you should introduce much reading of freely available information on the website of the FAA & EASA.

@Lucarocks92 3 года назад

Joe. MCAS was for type rating purposes not for anti stall. Due to the extra pitch the stick force gradient when approaching a stall was different from the NG and not getting heavier like it should. This is the reason for MCAS not to counter act a stall, it came down to keeping costs to a minimum for airlines not requiring sim training. Source Boeing website states MCAS is designed to 'enhance pitch stability so that it flies like other 737's." So many RU-vidrs and people in the media are misinformed about MCAS and assume it's an anti stall feature which it is not.

@GeordieBoy69 3 года назад

No issues in USA or EU. Those 2 crashes happened due to airlines saving money by opting for 1 aoa sensor instead of 2. Also poor maintainence. 1st plane, previous captain reported issue, but maintainance did nothing, crashed next flight. 2nd plane, again previous captain reported issues, maintainance changed the aoa sensor but did it wrongly resulting in not working and plane crashed next flight. Again USA and EU no issues at all as they all put safety first and opt for 2 aoa sensors. Plane cannot nose dive unless both aoa sensors agree. Hence no issues in USA and EU.

@valdecak 3 года назад

Your explanation is not quite right. Thrust pitch up momentum is depending solely on thrust force and arm. Arm is not changed by fore-aft position and thrust is the same comparing 737-800 26K (26300lb) with 737 MAX8 27K (26400 lb). Therefore there is no significant change in thrust pitch up moment between NG and MAX. What is significant is pitch up moment caused by engine nacelle lift at high AoA. This nacelle lift is obviously positioned ahead of CG and that reduces pitch stability at high AoA below certification limits- and that is why you need MCAS to artifitialy increase stick force.

@ca3340h3993 3 года назад

10:45 - I'm pretty sure the Ethiopian pilots did actually flip the kill switches for the electronic stabiliser trim on the accident flight. However, they left the engines at takeoff power while the aircraft was in a dive, and so the aerodynamic forces on the tail made it impossible to manually crank the stabiliser trim.

@Jack3md 3 года назад

Probably a mistake to let a pilot with only 300 hours fly with the airlines.

@michaelsekalala8041 3 года назад

The report by professionals said so??

@thegoodlife5852 2 года назад

This has eased my concerns about flying the MAX, Thankyou

@mohammadfarkhondeh3010 3 года назад

You said it right sir... Corporate greed which resulted in loss of so many innocent souls😢😢

@superskullmaster 3 года назад

Yes, including the greedy cell phone companies that made the phone your probably holding. Several hundred Chinese workers have killed them selves over the past 15 year while working for these phone manufacturing companies that Apple contracts work too. Gonna throw your blood phone away?

@paulparker8298 3 года назад

@@superskullmaster oh shut up you deflector

@cogitoergospud1 3 года назад

The greed starts with passengers demanding the cheapest ticket. Plenty of “greed” to go around. To suggest some sort of “corporate greed” is just plain silly. Any business tries to balance cost and outcome, and human beings make mistakes. But to suggest a collective will to intentionally allow this fiasco to occur is superficial thinking at best. It’s a series of human errors that collectively culminated in a tragedy.

@cogitoergospud1 3 года назад

@@superskullmaster Silly logic. The number of suicides is statistically normal as a percent of workers employed. And you have zero idea of the other factors in these workers lives.

@christianbarnay2499 3 года назад

@@cogitoergospud1 The greed of Boeing went way overboard. Their objective was to stay competitive against the A320-NEO at all costs (but not their cost). And in order to save time they deliberately disregarded all safety concerns by downplaying and hiding vital information from everyone from the FAA to pilots, client companies and passengers. They are not only greedy but also huge liars pretending a piece of software that can reject and override pilot actions on the flight commands is just a minor thing not worthy of mentioning.

@xXManxAxPartXx 2 года назад

I’m going on Flair Airlines Max 8 this month…my first max flight…been on plenty of 737s and I’ve trusted them all..I feel no different about this one.. but then again North American Airlines are far more stringent on safety then most…but I am confused about why the Dreamliner was so safe but the Max 8 and 9 had so many issues

@PilotStudd 3 года назад

Awesome video Joe! Greatly in-depth as always, a true inspiration to any aspiring aviator!

@ethansucksatcuphead 3 года назад

i still dont want to get on one of these planes, even if they are deemed safe. eve tough it probably would be perfectly fine, i think the sheer anxiety of it would be a bit too much for me

@ursodermatt8809 3 года назад

@@Bobspineable yeah, like two years ago

@ursodermatt8809 3 года назад

@Richard Iredale did you actually watch the video? boeing did not publicise the mcas. they kept it secret.

@omniryx1 3 года назад

@@ursodermatt8809 They did not publicise it but neither did they conceal it. The first does not imply the second. Details of the MCAS software were obtainable with very little effort. Boeing made some very serious errors but the incompetent performance of the pilots in response to the trim runaway cannot be overlooked. The trim cutout switches are virtually right under your hands; no need to go fumbling for circuit breakers. I fly 737s for a major domestic carrier so, yes, I do know what I'm talking about.

@ursodermatt8809 3 года назад

@@omniryx1 yes blame the pilots

@Jack3md 3 года назад

@@ursodermatt8809 There is some blame on the pilots. Especially these days, pilots are less qualified in other parts of the world(where these crashes took place) and more reliant on automation. Pilots need more hours in the air, and let them fly more!! Less autopilot, and more training on runaway stab trim(which they’ll all get now, before getting into a MAX cockpit).

@Charles-jf3mx 6 месяцев назад

What you need to know is don’t fly in one. Ryan Air refuse to tell you what model 737 will be used on your flight so I just don’t use them. Don’t care if it costs more. Their service is crap anyway

@stalinizzatore8292 15 дней назад

Cé scritto eccome, e sono sicuri

@jayshah3566 3 года назад

I wouldn't be surprised if they used the cheapest AOA sensors available which you can find in a children's electronic set.

@drgLACity 3 года назад

Outsourced and crappy quality

@fatfox5030 3 года назад

Lesson: rushing things can have major consequences

@JDBass36 3 года назад

The crazy thing to me. Is Boeing CEOs actually allowed for this to happen just to try to save a few dollars. An Airplane is one of the few products in the world, Where you should never cut corners and rush to the sales floor. Your business runs on razor thin margins already, there should be a an absolute 0 tolerance in ever thinking about selling a plane that is not 1000% optimal. When you make a good quality product, you won't ever have to worry about going broke. Because your reputation as being best of best will always keep you alive, and you will alway make sales without even trying as hard. Like seriously was it worth it that you saved let's just say 2 billion dollars ( yes it's a ton of money to save) but you rushing out a bad product that is literally in control of millions of people lives yearly. Now all your planes are crashing due to selling a less than quality product then normal. Your basically committing company sucied!

@superskullmaster 3 года назад

@@JDBass36 there have been plenty of Airbus crashes. Your problem is the greed part, not the loss of life, because if you cared about that you wouldn’t just be stringing Boeing up.

@JDBass36 3 года назад

@@superskullmaster Well I should had meant in general. And yes plane crashes are going to happen, it's impossible to ever predict and of course nothing is 100% fail proof. But I'm attacking Boeing for knowingly cutting corners and knowing that it wasn't 100% safe to continue to build planes that way. I know it takes a ton of money, time, and development to make a brand new plane, . But don't sacrifice quality for quick profits. Because a few string of preventable errors on your part. That will kill your companies brand easily. Why would I buy your plane or car or boat if I know your trying to cut corners. You will lose me as customer very quickly.

@superskullmaster 3 года назад

@@JDBass36 I work in aircraft manufacturing. Trust me, everyone cuts corners. The difference is, when you work on the scale of civil airliners, problems are more likely to make the news.

@JDBass36 3 года назад

@@superskullmaster Oh I definitely don't doubt that companies cuts corners, I get it it's very expensive to run a business. But if there's a few things in the world that should never even be considered to afford to cut corners. It would probably be Airplanes, and Cars. The Airplane industry is already a tough business to be in, and it's probably one of the most sensitive businesses in the world to be in. There is nothing faster that can kill your airplane business than having a bunch of your planes crashing due to poor manufacturing. You are going to put fear in customer's in flying your brand of planes. No customers = No profit for Airlines = Airlines will refuse to buy your planes = Your business is DEAD....!

@AmmarAlZeibak 3 года назад

The last part of the video was just pure gold.

@flywithcaptainjoe 3 года назад

Thanks Ammar! Means a lot!

@AmmarAlZeibak 3 года назад

@@flywithcaptainjoe The pleasure is mine.

@TheKaidynB 2 года назад

I was competing in my farewell season of competitive gymnastics(I had torn my MCL during the previous offseason and was not in a good mental state as I ended up in the hospital a few months later which was when I decided to retire also school was getting much more difficult) and was in the middle of competing at a meet in Newport,OR when the 737 MAX took off for the first time. It was a big deal between my Aviation friends and I after the meet because my phone blew up with notifications lol. For those wondering I made it to the Excel Platinum level before retiring

3 года назад

Simply the best and most interesting aviation channel on RU-vid 👍

@flywithcaptainjoe 3 года назад

Means a lot! Thanks Richard!

@snowkatyoutube1419 3 года назад

@@flywithcaptainjoe ok joe who joe Joe mama

@lallumanohar4107 3 года назад

Try mentour pilot too

3 года назад

@@lallumanohar4107 I agree that is a good channel too even when I prefer this channel

@iMatchEnergyLikeABoss 3 года назад

That last part! 💯💛. I’ll still never set foot on a Max 737 again.

@Lozzie74 3 года назад

Such solid people of their word vowing to never fly on the Max. We are all impressed by your solidarity. Golf clap.

@RaivoltG 3 года назад

You are so good at explaining how things work, why they're there and what they do! I wish you all of a sudden released 100 new videos so I could binge watch them! I can't wait for new video's, I also re-watch your video's all the time! Great channel, great job! Thank you!!

@viaprenestina3894 2 года назад

video start at 07:50. Today you can cut the first two minutes of ANY video in RU-vid without losing content. But this captain is super talkative

@sara98418 3 года назад

Hi Joe! Love from Italy 🇮🇹🇮🇹

@siletamus2016 3 года назад

Thanks Captain Joe. I enjoy your videos because you're always articulate and very informative in basic terminology for us mere mortals

@MELL09494 3 года назад

CEO should fly on multiple Max’s in order to gain back my trust....

@chaseo4557 3 года назад

its safe

@flylikeabird9479 3 года назад

great idea

@parthjain03 3 года назад

Flying the CEO in a 737 max for 24 hours ~Mr Beast

@jacksonskelly4323 3 года назад

It is the safest aircraft flying right now.

@CapsIsCapin 3 года назад

@@parthjain03 how meny stops

@garryheywood1 3 года назад

Me,- "how often do these planes crash?" Pilot, - "oh, just the once!"

@sergekudrynskyj6662 8 месяцев назад

How often does an AOA sensor go haywire? Is it not a relatively not complex device? The pilots should have known that the MCAS system works of the AOA sensor( of which there should be more tha one, although the MCAS works of one, apparently. Maybe it could be switched to work off another), and if the plane was playing up, the pilots could have switched the MCAS dooda off and flown the aircraft manually. Apparently, some did not know of the existence of the MCAS system?

@pavelfernandezdotnet 3 года назад

They lie before (several times, even after the first accident happened), they may be lying now! if u flight one of them is up to you...

@andrew_koala2974 3 года назад

One only has to look at the history of the COMET, and the re-certification, which itself was a big failure. This re-certification could be more of the same with history repeating itself. As for me I don't believe anything that CORPORATIONS tell me. and that goes for the GOVERNMENT which is also a CORPORATION.

@rizwanwasi7019 3 года назад

They kept insisting that it is a safe plane even after the second accident.

@ericbanner7630 3 года назад

Boeing equals murder.

@andrew_koala2974 3 года назад

@Arias Delmar To some extent you make a valid and legitimate comment. It is a sad but true fact that these 'Alphabet Agencies ' do not work well with each other if at all. Particularly the FAA and NTSB. There is factual and proven evidence where the NTSB has made recommendations and the FAA ignored them, failing to enforce compliance to the NTSB recommendations. It is known that th eFAA can take two years to pull their finger out. And in the meantime, travelers and aie crew are at risk because the FAA fails to act. No one in their right mind should have complete trust an any of the Myriad of Alphabet agencies including Alphabet NEWS agencies NBC FOX CBS MSNBC PBS BBC and the others. There is always going to be a conflict of interest when 'Licenses' are involved. The License binds then to support the Government BS and the Government narrative. The license is the CORPORATE Marriage Certificate in effect, and any disagreements between the two are usually "petty: matters and of not much consequence.

@rizwanwasi7019 3 года назад

@Arias Delmar True. Because of the Max scandal cat is now out of the bag

@thomasbolam8671 3 года назад

Captain Joe's videos are the BEST!!

@bananabox4605 2 года назад

I have been told that the NEO in A320NEO stands for "New Engine Option" but by the sound of it the name probably came before the acronym.

@olelaustsen8657 3 года назад

Great video @captainjoe! I totally agree on the corporate greed explanation, we simply can’t have this in the aviation world. Though the Max is recertified I’d never fly it. It’s one thing to convince the aviation geeks but it’s another to convince the public. The Max will forever be a symbol of greed and disrespect for human lives. Have a great day!

@voiceluckan 3 года назад

Straight from insta, glad to be early

@flywithcaptainjoe 3 года назад

The right path you choose (Speaking in "Yoda" voice;) )

@snowkatyoutube1419 3 года назад

@@flywithcaptainjoe joe mama

@deano1864 3 года назад

I still wouldn’t fancy getting on this aircraft 👀

@TheOriginalItchyman 3 года назад

It's probably the safest commercial airplane in the skies right now. The last thing Boeing needs is another 737 Max crashing, so they probably made absolutely sure it's 100% safe to fly.

@deano1864 3 года назад

@@TheOriginalItchyman it most likely is... it still. I shall pass 👀😂

@BabySonicGT 3 года назад

I’m scared to fly on it until at least a year with no crashes

@newoperson2577 3 года назад

MCAS = may crash at any second that was 2019 not 2021 now it's just MCAS

@mrc_mmm4751 3 года назад

lol so true

@GeordieBoy69 3 года назад

@newoperson2577 3 года назад

@@GeordieBoy69 ok

@nicomeier8098 3 года назад

The first iteration of this plane should never have been certified in the first place. Inherent problems due to fitting very large engines, too high on the wing on a plane not designed for them. . Hundreds of people died because of it but no criminal repercussions to anybody of the Boeing management. Corporate greed should not be rewarded, it should be punished.

@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042 2 года назад

Boeing was so greedy that rather than making a successful aircraft and making billions of dollars in profit, they instead chose to make a faulty aircraft and loose 20 billion dollars. Wait a second I don't think it's greed that did that, it's the fact that they didn't consider the consequences of their actions. Everyone seems to think that it's all money money money or human lives. The truth is that if Boeing had done a better job not only would they have made more money, then they did, but they would have not killed a bunch of people too. You might say that Boeing tried to have it's cake and eat it too, get the bigger market share and the big profits, but if they thought they could do that it wasn't because the accountants said so, it's because they didn't think about it hard enough. It's not a case of greed, it's a case of overconfidence.

@Amonginsanity 2 года назад

I read a report at one time [ only and never heard of this again since ], that on the one flight before the fatal flight of that dommed Lion Air plane, that plane had the same MCAS malfunction, and plane started going down and up and down. Most fortunately at that time, there was another pilot sitting in the cockpit as just riding along who had the idea about the MCAS and advised the captain of that flight on how to switch it off. That flight reached its destination, only to crash on its next because the pilots on this flight were not made aware of the MCAS on the plane and how to switch if off if gone haywire.

@dwightlooi 3 года назад

The Irony is that the 737-Max is PERFECTLY SAFE to fly without MCAS. The pitch up behavior is no worse than with jets like the 757. If the 737-Max was a new airplane the MCAS is a totally unnecessary system; it would be perfectly fine as it was. MCAS was there exclusively to make the 737-Max mimic the flight characteristics of the previous 737-NG family almost exactly. This was important to reduce retraining of the crew from the previous generation to the Max generation and make it more attractive to existing 737 operators.

@boycotte 3 года назад

Imagine all them grounded planes not flying for 20 months? No way I'm getting on board.

@CerberusTenshi 3 года назад

All grounded airplanes, 737 MAX or any other due to Covid, are regularly maintained to keep them airworthy. There is no reason to not fly them, just because they were grounded.

@rhynosouris710 3 года назад

@@CerberusTenshi You're being sarcastic, right?

@thejoker2214 3 года назад

@@CerberusTenshi if some plane have had two breack down , I nihter will make a step inside !

@kirilmihaylov1934 3 года назад

@@rhynosouris710 no he is stupid

@kirilmihaylov1934 3 года назад

@@thejoker2214 this plane hasn't been fixed . It can still crash . MCAS system that crashed it is still in the plane . Anybody who thinks otherwise is a complete idiot

@DarylSawatzky 3 года назад

One of my daughters friends was on that Ethiopian flight. I didn’t know her but even I found this graphical representation hard to watch. Good job explaining the details and calling out corporate greed which has no business being in the airline industry.

@PotatoeJoe69 2 года назад

I had the pleasure of flying on a United 737 MAX 8 about a week ago. It was very quiet inside the cabin, the seats were extremely comfortable and more roomy than other planes I've been on, and the plane accelerated incredibly fast. I've been on 20 or so flights in my life, I've never felt a commercial airliner accelerate like the MAX does. My return flight from my destination was on a 737-800NG, and it was noticably slower too accelerate on takeoff. The MAX felt like it absolutely pinned me to my seat, where the 800NG felt pretty typical. Plenty of force pushing me back, but nowhere near the amount of the MAX.

@PotatoeJoe69 2 года назад

@OhLaLa Every time you get in a car, you're chances of dying are thousands of times more likely than getting on a plane.

@abhinavanand4262 3 года назад

Hi sir, love from India..☺️☺️😊😊

@nor_bert 3 года назад

Great explanations, as always, thanks a lot! And great statement at the end!

@thecma3 3 года назад

9:00 small correction, you don't need laminar flow to have attached flow. Lots of the flow over a wing can be turbulent without flow separation :)

@jacobfountain8063 Год назад

As a passenger whos flown on two southwest airline boeing 737-8 max's i wasn't bothered by it BUT to see that two 737 MAX crashes irked me before i flew to Tennessee. It didnt dawn on me then but good to know that all boeing 737 MAX's were grounded as a result of those two tragic crashes and an investigation was followed and subsequent software changes were made to avoid another fatal crash. Somone in the crowd needed to be held accountable for those two crashes.

@conorruss 3 года назад

Captain Joe is a living legend

@flylikeabird9479 3 года назад

I would lie saying I wouldn't be scarred when I need to fly with this thing NO MATTER WHAT ALL EXPERTS SAY, you can't "discuss away" the fantasies that run through your head

@pittypatterputzzler5311 3 года назад

I fly only Airbus after that fiasco.

@JAROCHELOcesarcastro 3 года назад

I just flew in one without knowing until I pulled the card in front of my seat. I pulled my phone right away to google it because I got pale and needed to know when the 800 MAX started flying. Well, it was a pleasant flight, quiet, a lot of space because I was on an emergency exit (that kept me calm somehow) and I would love to just keep flying on this one and the Dreamliner 😂. Great video capi

@gabrielsimon7944 3 года назад

One of the few good things about the 737 max grounding: The only people on the plane will be avgeeks that know that the plane is safe

@t.g.5256 3 года назад

No, but rather average Joes that have no clue about what plane they're on

@admiralsnackbar69 3 года назад

Safe lol, was apparently safe when it first flew......

@ethansaviation2672 3 года назад

@@admiralsnackbar69 Mate if it crashes this time then all airbuses have to be checked too as the easa says it's safe

@martinborgen 3 года назад

At the explanation for the reason of the MCAs, around 7 minute mark: Issues with engine placement are an aerodynamic issue, not a weight issue. Having the engines more forward will generate a more nose-heavy centre of gravity CoG, all else being equal, and hence a pitch down, and so is not as such the reason for the MCAS - in the analogy with the bike, it would be like having the backpack further forwards. The issues with having the engines more forwards, is that at high angle of attack (AoA), the engines (or rather their nancelles/cowling) create drag, which at high (positive) AoA, when the airflow is coming from slightly "underneath" the aircraft, pushes on the engines and tries to turn it over on it's back. In the bicycle example, it would be like having a parachute on the backpack, and move it forwards on the steering bar. Pitch the bike up, and the parachute will help pull you over. MCAS was programmed to silently compensate this effect in a way that Pilots would feel the aircraft handle the same way as the earlier 737 versions.

@computerjantje 3 года назад

Yes I saw other videos about the 737 max and you are right. The design is f***-up due to the larger engines not fitting under the wings. Everything done to correct the design flaw is patching things up. For me this makes this captain Joe his worst video. A pity as I love his videos

@tharuna.n7946 3 года назад

MCAS in 2019 = May Crash Any Second MCAS in 2021 = Manuvering Characteristics Agumentation System :D

@GeordieBoy69 3 года назад

@kenmore01 3 года назад

@@GeordieBoy69 This is very interesting! Where do i find this info?

@AirborneGeek 2 года назад

The pilots did cut off the stab trim switches if you look at the documentaries atleast on the ethiopian airlines because after lion air crash boeing came up with that solution. But after a point it is impossible to manually trim the aircraft because of the force on the stabilizer due to high airspeeds. So, NO these crashes were extremely hard to avoid given the situation created by Boeing in the cockpit.

@JUSTENization 3 года назад

I’m an aerospace design engineer for 30 years on mainly engine build-up, what he ended saying at 14:10 is absolutely true.

@amitjegatheesan7221 3 года назад

just love the way you relate stuff to common things

@TiagrajI 2 года назад

Thank you for this video. Well explained and concise. I appreciate you mentioned souls lost in the accidents and not passengers. It's respectful and considerate.

@TheAviationChannel 3 года назад

*Hoping that when we become pilots, we won't be flying unsafe airplanes*

@superskullmaster 3 года назад

As long as you aren’t a crappy third world pilot from places like Ethiopia or Indonesia you should be fine.

@nagalakshmi8894 3 года назад

😂

@aviationchannel6204 3 года назад

LOL

@arnavsadhu 3 года назад

@@superskullmaster I think by now everyone knows that it was in no way the pilots fault an completely on boeing's hands, but some of us are slow I guess. Don't worry take your time.

@superskullmaster 3 года назад

@@arnavsadhu the pilots of one of the aircraft turn the electronic trim back on AFTER they noticed the issue stopped. And beyond that there was no crashes in the USA for any Max aircraft. Third world country pilots cannot be trusted. But if you feel differently feel free to fly on Pakistan International where almost 1/3 of the pilots had fake or altered pilots licenses and one crew recently crashed a perfectly functioning airplane by attempting a combat landing with the gear up even with all the warnings blaring in the cockpit. And it was an Airbus.

@brettdelana5885 3 года назад

Hi Joe, Congrats on the Cargolux position. I live in Anchorage where your 747-800s refuel. Your followers should also know that the original MCAS software build only relied on one AoA sensor. We engineers call that a single point of failure. Both crashes were the result of faulty readings from one of two sensors on the aircraft. The new software build uses data from both sensors. Boeing is no longer a company that can be relied upon for engineering performance. Bill Boeing would be sad if he could see what Muilenburg did to the company he built.

@paveloleynikov4715 3 года назад

Also 320NEO (and E2 series to lesser extent) has pretty similar way of moving bigger engine. But, accounting for this on FBW plane is much simpler

@JRobert111111 3 года назад

I would like to have had more detailed information instead of "additional wiring installed" and more about the software changes as well. I believe they wired MCAS to both AOA sensors instead of just one. But I wish Cpt. Joe would have explained in more details the fixes to the planes to achieve re-certification.

@dansheehan8408 2 года назад

I read one of the big changes is MCAS will only activate once, not repeatedly. So if the two AoA sensors agree MCAS needs to activate, it will activate only once, the pilots will know it activated, and they can easily over ride it if necessary. Part of the issue with MCAS is it would continue pitch corrections repeatedly based on the one faulty sensor reading, so even if pilots could manually correct the MCAS trim changes it would just happen again and again leading to loss of control.

@naturalshadow2847 3 года назад

Wild guess i think NEO stands for Never Ending Operations

@TheAerospaceChannel 3 года назад

Haha. Good guess. It stands for New Engine Option. Referring to the engines that are equipped on the neo.

@RokineMLG 2 года назад

I’m flying a 737 MAX 8 from Miami to Aruba tomorrow and I’m pretty terrified.

@JayJayAviation Год назад

You had nothing to worry about

@axelgerber6298 3 года назад

After the return to service, I’m going to wait 2 years before I get on one, don’t trust them

@jblyon2 3 года назад

I'm in the US and fly Delta. It makes me very happy that they never ordered the MAX. I'll gladly fly on an A321neo instead!

@sizzlingsteak5046 3 года назад

I totally respect your opinion. But I would fly them any time. That’s my opinion. But I can fully understand why people don’t want to fly it

@kenmore01 3 года назад

@@jblyon2 I tend towards Delta too and am happy they didn't order any. TBH, I think Airbus jets are more comfortable as are Embraers. It would be nice if aircraft manufacturers gave a crap about passenger comfort as well as safety, but when they don't care about either, that's really crappy.

@Jack3md 3 года назад

I flew on a MAX last week. Felt fine, no problems. Especially with the added software redundancies, it’s the safest plane in the world rn.

@Jack3md 3 года назад

@@faranger Yeah no, there is no balancing issue with the airframe.

@gregs9555 3 года назад

Great video, pilots had no idea mcas even existed, unacceptable. There are no shortcuts in aviation. Rip to all who died learning this lesson.

@beeble2003 3 года назад

0:16 "The Max is back." I think you mean, "Return of the Max."

@achievingdreams7548 2 года назад

Hi Capt Being a ship Chief Engineer, i think ship is much more safe than aeroplane. Passenger safety is NIL incase of an accident. Some mean has to be invented and i have some ideas to reduce caualty incase of the accident. We can discusr in Inbox & how to get this approved.

@SwordQuake2 3 года назад

inb4 they start falling from the skies again.

@jesuscabrera9308 3 года назад

I’m going to LA in one of those 737MAX in a couple of days. And im terrified.

@PVZBlover Год назад

neo In The A320neo Not Only Meant New But It's An Acronym Which Stood For New Engine Option

@harleyrider4629 3 года назад

The engine placement on the wing is incorrect. They did this to complete with Airbus as an afterthought for fuel efficiency but the engine was too large so they placed it too high on the wing for ground clearance. A fatal flaw. Do not fly on this plane.

@cosmicdebris2223 8 месяцев назад

you'll never catch me in a 737 max... I will always ask first what sort of aircraft flies on the route I need to take.

@gpierre90 2 года назад

Hi Captain, That was a nice explanation. first of all meaning of NEO from Airbus meaning New Engine Option. I agree about what you say about Boeing, As someone who simply LOVES modern Planes especially Boeing aircraft, it also makes me sad, when I heard about how the B737 Max aircraft was first certified, obviously this is where money, corruption, greed comes in, just because they want to meet and do better than Airbus. What bugs me more about the MCAS system was why they did not implement a fail safe back up system/s if the primary sensor fails, if they did not want pilots to know about MCAS, they should have had an automated system that if AoA fails, then MCAS checks other parameters of the aircraft before acting and the pilots gets a warning plus Alarm of that unreliable AoA sensor. I guess they were too busy thinking about Finance that they simply negligently disregarded the number one rule of thumb of Aviation which is SAFETY FIRST. Because of that hundreds of people lost their lives on those two doomed flights. Very Sad, and my condolences to the families of those people who lost their lives because of those greedy selfish people at Boeing.

@guest_of_randomness 3 года назад

rip... for those who lost their life because of the bad engineering...

@ssnoc 3 года назад

Boeing took shortcuts by NOT disclosing they changed the center of gravity which requires a new air worthy certificate - instead (to save money) they considered it a “modification” - Boeing killed people by focusing on saving money 💰 - There is NO excuse. And people should REFUSE TO FLY on these modified death traps let Boeing suffer the consequences -

@GlobalTossPot 3 года назад

@@ssnoc exactly! People need to see the bigger picture. Boeing will forever have blood on their hands. Nothing but a greedy, selfish company. All to compete with Airbus. They deserve to lose so much more money

@sparrowlt 3 года назад

@@GlobalTossPot But it wasnt the first time.. the 767 had a fatal crash (Lauda Air) due to faulty chaffed wiring that made the reverse deploy in flight.. and even after revealing that Boeing insisted that the incident was "survivable" and that the pilots "inability to correct the reverse deployment" was the main cause.. Nikki Lauda had to threaten Boeing with going up himself in a 767 and reploying one reverse on porpouse to see if it was survivable or not ... or the death trap the early 747 wiring was wich destroyed TWA800 .. or the faulty rudder hydraulic pumps that tended to fail while Boeing never found anything wrong with them that brought down some 737s and nearly a couple 747s... And McDonnell Douglas was even worst with their infamous DC-10 .. only that they ultimatelly merged with Boeing