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@warrenstemphly5756
@warrenstemphly5756 Год назад
Never underestimate Boeings ability to lose a contract.
@TheRedStateBlue
@TheRedStateBlue Год назад
they should spend more on congress.
@warrenstemphly5756
@warrenstemphly5756 Год назад
@@TheRedStateBlue they moved their headquarters to DC, if that tells you anything.
@rolflandale2565
@rolflandale2565 Год назад
Now imagine they implament a stealthy no/less heat & sound being eVTOL. With a ready fill (empty) mini gas power generator, as one of the storage supplies. Plus a duct fan rotary, with autonomous nitrogen vector rockets ( Hercules vtol style).
@MrART100
@MrART100 Год назад
🤣🤣👍🏻
@currrenteventnerd1254
@currrenteventnerd1254 Год назад
@@warrenstemphly5756 always more cost effective to bribe congress than to spend money on things like quality and safety
@tararaboomdiay7442
@tararaboomdiay7442 Год назад
The big thing people are forgetting is that the Valor did much better in the demonstrations. It met or exceeded every goal set for the demonstration. It met every schedule Bell promised. Defaint was constantly late, kept failing to meet promised goals when Sikorsky said they would and had problems during the tests. Examples: Valor met the Army's schedule for first flight, Defiant was 15 months late and then soon had to be grounded for more work, slowing the whole program. Defiant came close, but never actually achieved its promised speed, Valor exceed its (higher) promised speed by 9%,, meaning it was 23% faster than Defiant. The first Army pilot flew the V-280 less than two months after its first flight, Defiant didn't do that until 2 1/2 years after its [delayed] first flight. Valor flew far more hours than Defiant. Simply put, one aircraft did a lot better in the demonstrations and inspired much more confidence that a production version would meet or exceeded all the Army's requirements in reality rather than theory. And that's the one the Army chose.
@mikesmnell414
@mikesmnell414 Год назад
And everyone and their mom who thinks they’re an engineer is calling it the new osprey and a waist of money knows nothing about how these aircraft ended up where they are. There’s always an outrage over any new US military weapons and equipment. Like the F-35 or the the SIG rifles for the army.
@n3v3rforgott3n9
@n3v3rforgott3n9 11 месяцев назад
@@mikesmnell414 Yup... people go off of internet memes and false info about the V-22 to pass judgment on the V-280 even though the V-22 has proven itself to be a great aircraft. People said the same thing about the Blackhawk replacing the huey... if it is up to those people the military would never advance.
@fanboy-industries
@fanboy-industries 9 месяцев назад
Three propellors fighting each other, or two working in concert...Tilt Rotor is definitely the way to go.
@samster2294
@samster2294 7 месяцев назад
@@n3v3rforgott3n9 It’s not that great… It can’t preform autorotation landings if the engines go out, you just fall out of the sky. The valor’s test results were “so much better” because its the same platform as the V-22, just smaller and more stealthy. So the development should have been pretty simple and fast compared to the Defiant. The Raider/Defiant is entirely new to the factories, engineers, and pilots so it should take more time to get off the ground. At the end of the day the Raider wins 10/10. It can land in smaller locations, lose an engine and keep flying, or lose both and do an autorotation landing. Not to mention, it’s actually a considerable upgrade to its predecessor being bigger than the black hawk, twice as fast, and almost twice the range. The Valor is smaller than the osprey yet probably costs more…
@theofficialmbc
@theofficialmbc 7 месяцев назад
@@n3v3rforgott3n9 I just think they need both because of the Defiants smaller footprint and ability to land in tighter spots
@hawk7825
@hawk7825 Год назад
As a former Blackhawk mechanic, I think Defiant is the better platform. It looks more survivable than the tilt rotor. The should purposely crash both craft under the same conditions to test structural integrity and survivability. Just a thought…
@1968gadgetyo
@1968gadgetyo Год назад
Just wait long enough, or some mechanic miswired (V22 crash on March 2006). The Valor has a drive shaft that runs through the wing. So it one engine is down, the other engine can spin the other rotor. Not for continuous flight, but for a safe-er landing. I have no idea how a coaxial will response to autorotation when engines are down.
@elphi4321
@elphi4321 Год назад
I agree. As a former crew chief (CH-46), I like the KISS system. And I've never heard of a tilt-rotor doing an auto-rotation. ...also, just saying.
@hawk7825
@hawk7825 Год назад
@@1968gadgetyo as long as there is an upward flow of air, Defiant has auto rotation. Based on observation of the design, it might even be more stable than a regular helicopter.
@jklappenbach
@jklappenbach Год назад
The Valor has twice the range at nearly double the speed. It is a vastly better choice. And if it's taken all this time to get the Defiant's transmission in order, what does that say about its simplicity?
@MrMrrome
@MrMrrome Год назад
The valor is alot more survivable. Simply because the main engines aren't right above the crew. Meaning they won't get crushed if the bird has to make an emergency landing.
@rileybriggs4731
@rileybriggs4731 Год назад
A big difference I haven't seen talked about is the usable performance at max speed. Maximum speed in helicopters is hell on earth. The vibrations will just continue to get more violent the faster you go and if you push into retreating blade stall territory you can have violent unexpected control inputs as well as you can reach trans-sonic advancing blade tip speeds which will give you even more unexpected violent vibrations and loss of rotor effectiveness. Tiltrotors are happy as a clam at max speed.
@NoeticSystem
@NoeticSystem Год назад
That's one thing I noticed about X2/Defiant. The way they get around retreating blade stall is by using a semi-rigid coaxial rotor, what Sikorsky refers to as ABC, or "Advancing Blade Concept", where the retreating blade stall on one rotor disc is canceled out by the stall of the other rotor disc, equalizing the lift. However, as neat as that is, they still had problems with drag and high fuel consumption at top speed, as well as massive vibration. You can hear it in the footage. Listen to the test pilots' voices. They're experiencing high-amplitude vibration the entire time and sound pretty much exactly like they have one of those cheap electric massagers off Amazon pressed to their chest. That's not good. It's not good for the crew and passengers, and it's not good for the lifespan of the machinery. The tiltrotor will be smoother, faster, burn less fuel, and have longer maintenance intervals. I'm not saying that because I'm a Bell fanboy or anything. Honestly, I was rooting for the Defiant because I thought it looked cooler, and honestly, it probably does win out at low-speed maneuverability. The Defiant can do things the V-280 Valor can't, like apply reverse thrust on the pusher prop for a steep nose-down hover, which could let you get off FFARs in a tricky spot, if it was equipped with some, maybe on stub wing hardpoints. The coaxial rotors also enable quick yawing and sharp turns, much like a Hokum. Both competitors were impressive in their own unique ways.
@rdwelch2
@rdwelch2 Год назад
Let's just say you have only a crew inside for a flight and you're at sea level, it's standard temp, all environmental numbers are on the button....You're slick outside the aircraft and You get out there and pull the guts out of the engines and increase power until you're hitting the performance limit, would that be the same max speed with a full bag of gas and it's hotter than hell and the DA is through the roof...is that the same max speed number? Point is Max airspeed is always changing according to the conditions and payload...JS. Plus if you're hovering one of these nose down, turning it into a direct fire platform and blasting 2.75s off until you're winchester, somebody is in a world of shit! Paleeeez!!!
@n3v3rforgott3n9
@n3v3rforgott3n9 11 месяцев назад
Flight at high speeds is a lot more stable on the Valor.
@rileybriggs4731
@rileybriggs4731 11 месяцев назад
@bowencreer3922 A) no helicopter turns it's main rotor faster for speed B) the pusher rotor has nothing to do with retreating blade stall on the main rotors.
@1701Larry
@1701Larry Год назад
OK----. The Defiant X is restricted to 236 knots due to its extreme Vibrations above that speed due to rotor interferences. Vibrations that does not completely go away at lower speeds that result in Maintenance problems. Problems the Tilt-rotor Valiant does not have as it rutteenly exceeds 330 knots! Same problems Russia's new Composit Rotor Attack chopper has...
@angryox3102
@angryox3102 Год назад
That’s the first explanation that I’ve seen that seems plausible for why they picked the Valiant.
@psycho3v
@psycho3v Год назад
Alr mr mechanic 😂
@scottthompson8946
@scottthompson8946 Год назад
Uhm, routinely? Glad to help.
@user-pq4by2rq9y
@user-pq4by2rq9y Год назад
@@angryox3102 it is also a reason why they didn't go with the Cheyenne back in the day, despite having clearly superior specs to the Apache that came a decade later. Keep in mind that the Cheyenne had only one main rotor.
@kennethfharkin
@kennethfharkin Год назад
Is this an issue related to the advancing blade breaking Mach 1 along its span while in high speed forward flight? That is a significant issue limiting the top speed of anything using the rotor plane as the source of lift in forward flight. The effects of rapidly varying +/- Mach 1 along the span when advancing blade velocity is added to forward flight velocity may cause enormous cyclic stresses and vibrations.
@qwicxs
@qwicxs Год назад
Maintenance in combat. Is a really big deal for the Military. Love the Defiant X -Sikorsky unfortunately slept on this fact, it’s unfortunate. I work with both projects thru supply chain quality. Hope BAE/SiK figure something out. I believe both platforms serve specific purpose multiple role combat insertions.
@glennridsdale577
@glennridsdale577 Год назад
Any idea how tall is Defiant X? I can't find a figure anywhere. Or any dimensions, in fact.
@dianapennepacker6854
@dianapennepacker6854 Год назад
@@glennridsdale577 I read 11m but can't verify that statement. It is very tall medium helicopter but over 30 feet?! That sounds a bit too tall to me. I can't find dimensions on either craft TBH. Like the width of the Valor or Defiant. I do know the light attack scout program has a requirement to be 40m and less.
@reaperboy36
@reaperboy36 Год назад
I’m right with you. West Palm Beach was absolutely shocked.
@JoshBryan
@JoshBryan Год назад
@@dianapennepacker6854 I’ve seen the defiant up close. It’s a monster. The Raider X is much smaller.
@PaulXMann
@PaulXMann Год назад
I mean, I like the Defiant X, but why is this video coming out now when the tilt-rotor V280 was already selected to replace the Blackhawk? It'd be better to move on and focus on the scout version of the X2 platform, at this point.
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 Год назад
Sikorsky will issue a challenge to the Army decision.
@BigOldScout
@BigOldScout Год назад
They put in a formal request for reconsideration, and the Army has to take 100 days to reconsider. The point of this video was/is to show the economic potential as the Hangers and Airfields would need to be redefined for the V280, and the defiant uses the same space as the Blackhawk, so no remodeling will be needed. So it is possible that come April, the Army can change its mind. I think the speed of the V280 is a primary reason they will keep the V280, but we will see come April.
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 Год назад
@@BigOldScout Speed and range. The Defiant failed to meet the minimum combat radius of 229nmi as required by the competition. That's why they're proposing the Defiant X with more powerful engines and more streamlined fuselage.
@danielwhyatt3278
@danielwhyatt3278 Год назад
@@andrewsuryali8540 Hope so
@danielwhyatt3278
@danielwhyatt3278 Год назад
@@andrewsuryali8540 Oh ok, so is this a changed design we are seeing here in this video? Or are they planning on releasing new changes in the coming 100 days?
@galoobigboi
@galoobigboi Год назад
I'm an aircraft engineer. That thing, without a doubt, is going to be a nightmare in terms of maintenance, I can already tell. I guess that'll be the major difference between the two.
@Adrenaline_chaser
@Adrenaline_chaser 3 месяца назад
Could you please elaborate on how the latter (assuming you were referring to the Bell V-280 Valor) is a better option in terms of maintenence costs? Wouldn't a *tilt-rotor* mechanism induce more maintenence cost?
@galoobigboi
@galoobigboi 3 месяца назад
@@Adrenaline_chaser Because it is MORE COMPLEX. More complex= more expensive= more maintenance. That's just the way it is. Given the price practiced by the manufacturers for spare parts, special equipment and the inevitable period(several years) where you have to iron out all the kinks, that thing is going to cost a TON of money to maintain, like most of American military gear. Over engineered unreliable shit. anything that's been produced since the early 2000's is.
@SuperCatacata
@SuperCatacata 3 месяца назад
Late, but the v280 was actually less complex. Which is why Bell didn't miss any deadlines. Unlike the Defiant, which was plagued by nonstop issues because of it's complexity.
@galoobigboi
@galoobigboi 3 месяца назад
@@SuperCatacata Both look like future very expensive maintenance nightmares.
@SuperCatacata
@SuperCatacata 3 месяца назад
​​​@@galoobigboiBoth are. But the Defiant was objectively more so. It's worth noting the fact that Bell made it their goal to consider simplified maintenance from the beginning though. And the Army has a lot of experience with tilt rotors now. So while you might see it one way, the Army clearly sees it another way. Considering it's replacing the blackhawks, it must be easy enough to maintain.
@zano187
@zano187 Год назад
The TLDR as to why the Defiant lost, China, warfare will consist of mostly launching from ships or islands and traveling long distances, Turning into a plane was too big an edge.
@PeterMuskrat6968
@PeterMuskrat6968 Год назад
Also the Defiant sucks monkeycock. Didn’t even have an engine finalized and was way to late for testing.
@thatcatpuma7224
@thatcatpuma7224 Год назад
Yeah basically. I feel like alot of people are forgetting this honestly. Correct me if J'm wrong but doesn't the V-280 have the range advantage as well?
@CaptainQueue
@CaptainQueue Год назад
Very little pictorial evidence exists that the Valor or Osprey can successfully operate off any naval deck except in very calm conditions, which is not battle expectations. However, you may be right about the island hopping potential.
@theofficialmbc
@theofficialmbc 7 месяцев назад
@@CaptainQueue with vertical take off and landing it shouldn't be easier than a jet
@redfernsoljah
@redfernsoljah Год назад
Why didn’t they already loose the contract? Their competitor beat them in ever metric that is going to matter for the next 50 years with possible theater of operations.
@PF9O
@PF9O Год назад
Surely being similar to the UH60 is a good thing. One of the most successful choppers of all time.
@derekpeterson8005
@derekpeterson8005 Год назад
The only similarities between the two is the width and length. No other similarities. Look at the height of this behemoth, what is it, 3 stories tall? I was a helicopter mechanic in the Army and I can attest, if maintenance is an issue in the field environment than Boeing is missing the point for the Army's mission.
@JoshBryan
@JoshBryan Год назад
@@derekpeterson8005 Retired 58D pilot here. You’re right on the money, brother.
@rileybriggs4731
@rileybriggs4731 Год назад
The UH60 is pretty unremarkable in the aviation world. Idk why everyone thinks its revered or something.
@PF9O
@PF9O Год назад
@@rileybriggs4731 it’s iconic. A workhorse and built to land hard if need be. Synonymous with US force. It was also involved on the most significant US spec ops raid of all time.
@rileybriggs4731
@rileybriggs4731 Год назад
@@PF9O yet it's the butt of every joke in the actual aviation community. There's a reason spec ops prefer 47s. Blackhawks exist for missions not big enough for chinooks.
@AnthonyEvelyn
@AnthonyEvelyn Год назад
From what I have heard there was serious problems with the Defiant X transmission leading to crashes in testing. Cant run that risk compared to the Valor X program which ran more or less smoothly.
@Ripper13F1V
@Ripper13F1V Год назад
Transmission and slip clutch here is too new a concept in which that tech needs to be ironed out. Bell spent money in the OO's to explore the same concept, Army wasn't buying the idea then either. And Bell said there'd be significant tech to be developed to make it worthwhile, and they arguably build the best transmissions. In the end it's a big risk as compared to the Valor who's leaning on 40 plus years of experimental and real world data.
@MarxAlex
@MarxAlex Год назад
Its going to be interesting seeing landing site prep in forested and jungle conditions for a tilt rotor.
@jwagner1993
@jwagner1993 Год назад
More problems than the number of Marines killed under Osprey training missions?
@Ripper13F1V
@Ripper13F1V Год назад
@@jwagner1993 That isn't the right question. The right question is how many accidents involved fatalities that were a direct result of engineering and design versus that of pilot error. How many fatalities have occurred from the CH-46 that the V22 replaced? Or the UH-60? Problem is, V280 isn't the V22. And the V280 has the benefit of learning and improving on what was unknown or lacking in the V22 program.
@AnthonyEvelyn
@AnthonyEvelyn Год назад
@@Ripper13F1V Exactly. Bell learned a lot from the Osprey, which has payed dividends.
@ryanreyes4622
@ryanreyes4622 Год назад
When your first test flight results in a total crash and you end up behind schedule by more than 3 years, you are not a good platform you are just a bloated company coasting on past success.
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 Год назад
The Defiant never crashed. You're thinking of the S-97 Raider that crashed two years into its test program thanks to a flight software rewrite. Basically Boeing can't do software worth shit.
@ryanreyes4622
@ryanreyes4622 Год назад
@@andrewsuryali8540 so I am still half right got it thanks.
@Je-jx6rn
@Je-jx6rn Год назад
@@ryanreyes4622 not 100% correct is still wrong.
@ryanreyes4622
@ryanreyes4622 Год назад
@@Je-jx6rn the coaxial rotor design is a failure regardless of designation and the military chose wisely.
@kellymoses8566
@kellymoses8566 Год назад
My understanding is that the Valient won because the military wants the extra range and speed for the Pacific theater
@puppetmaster1403
@puppetmaster1403 Год назад
My understanding is that the Valient won because someone was paid off which we'll find out about years later.
@ossgo92
@ossgo92 Год назад
@@puppetmaster1403 Who was paid off??? The Valor won because it is the better product.. more speed, range less complicated rotorsystem and less maintenance hours...
@butspan7618
@butspan7618 Год назад
@@ossgo92 considering the history of aircraft with tilt mechanisms i doubt the less complicated rotorsystem and less maintenance hours
@chrisdoe2659
@chrisdoe2659 Год назад
@@puppetmaster1403 It was significantly faster with much longer range plus it was way further along in its development. Yup, it must be corruption. There's no other way that the aircraft that is drastically better so far could have won.
@James-ev8gt
@James-ev8gt Год назад
The facts are that the V-280 met or exceeded all the requirements sooner than expected. The Defiant still can not do meet all the requirements to this day.
@hw534
@hw534 Год назад
I actually think the Army made the right choice for once with the Valor. Neither is perfect, but the Valor seems to be the better, reliable performer
@chinookh4713
@chinookh4713 Год назад
No, first off I see your point however the Defianet X is a new design issues will arise, and we need to look at the real picture here... we are replacing the black hawk, and getting rid of a lot of our smaller aircraft like the little bird. Modern warfare has changed we are moving into mixed setting ubran rural and "unexplored" while the valor is reliable it also has a huge wing span bigger then the Defianent. Meaning less places it can land. The valor is a shitty desgin, it looked like they cut corners which is great for actual war time settings for speedy advacnements but for a major replacement during a peacetime setting we need to be more through, the Army need a smaller aircraft that's not as wide as the valor. And have we learned our lesson form the opsray I myself love the thing but people really hate but now all sudden lover the valor? I mean the defient X is a new desgin and concept the valor is not I mean the VTOL system been around for a while I mean you can probably trace it back to the 50s or 60s I mean look at the Vertol VZ-2 in 1957 it using the same concept pretty much... the closet desgin for the deifant is the AH-56 Cheyenne. I feel if the Army just gives the defient x some time it will be a glorious aircraft...
@hw534
@hw534 Год назад
@chinookh4713 Good points. So there are the FLRAA(Future long-range assault aircraft) & FARA(future assault recon aircraft) programs going on simultaneously. Bell Valor 280 is Bell's submission for Flraa. Bell Invictus is Bell's submission for FARA. Program. Fara will cover urban & other wise small footprint vtol missions like the kiowa did. For flraa valor 280 was the right choice for that mission over the sikorsky. Cheaper, faster, more reliable
@subjectc7505
@subjectc7505 7 месяцев назад
​​@@chinookh4713The Valor is basically the V-22 but better, the Army saw how capable the Marines Corp was and probably wanted the same reach. Imagine putting Cav scouts or Rangers behind enemy lines quickly and fast. Defiant is more of a DAP helicopter, it's fat, complex and an easy target for any SAM or manpads looking at it. I'd prefer to deploy in a Valor than the Defiant.
@GoatZilla
@GoatZilla Год назад
Hard to imagine going coaxial tandem just to put a rotor back on the tail.
@ivaniuk123
@ivaniuk123 Год назад
The defiant is awesome but the cabin for the troops is really small and not as large as the Valor. I still think sikorsky is years away from perfecting the defiant. The coaxial rotors pose its own set of challenges and under high g load can cause a rotor collision.
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 Год назад
These are rigid rotors. They can't flex enough to cause rotor collision. You're thinking of Kamovs that have normal flexible rotors. The rigid rotor pusher prop concept was an American invention from the Vietnam war era, originally developed as the Cheyenne attack helicopter which had only one rotor disc and still had a regular tail rotor. The coax configuration only came about later, but it was chosen precisely because the rigid rotor design doesn't have Kamov's inherent weakness.
@danielwhyatt3278
@danielwhyatt3278 Год назад
@@andrewsuryali8540 Thanks for that explanation. Definitely makes sense for the blades to be rigid under the area they operate and I guess it makes sense for them to be so considering there are two sets of them now to compensate for that affect.
@solarissv777
@solarissv777 Год назад
@@andrewsuryali8540 the problem with the rigid rotors is vibration. They create too much of it, Sikorsky even had to develop an active vibration dampening system to mitigate the issue. But it makes SB-1 actually more mechanically complex then V280, and the first in its kind, while Valor is second generation with 30 years of experience from the flying a first one.
@James-ev8gt
@James-ev8gt Год назад
@@andrewsuryali8540 Unless they replaced the rotors they are using on the Defiant the rotors have already flexed more than expected and caused significant delays in their program.
@Jimmy-mh3ji
@Jimmy-mh3ji Месяц назад
I really like this design and how it functions. I can even see it being useful in the private sector such as medical, business, search and rescue, Etc.
@SpecialistQKD
@SpecialistQKD Год назад
This one very rare occasion when I say the army should have chosen a mix buy of both contenders I usually have a favorite 🤔
@serronserron1320
@serronserron1320 Год назад
Or maybe different branches like maybe the Navy will by 1 +
@SpecialistQKD
@SpecialistQKD Год назад
@@serronserron1320 I can sea the seals jumping out would be cool 👀
@LtPulsar
@LtPulsar Год назад
Whilst this would seem like a sensible idea on paper, it would actually be terrible in practice. Picking both machines means doubling the necessary spare parts production, doubling the amount of training for technicians and maintenance and significantly cuts back on economy of scale benefits. A whole bunch of extra complexity for the benefit of... What exactly? Very slightly more flexibility? It's really not enough of an advantage to outweigh the terrible downsides.
@Scarface693
@Scarface693 Год назад
The fact is that NO helicopter is survivable in a modern battlefield not with the proliferation of ground to air rockets. Which means that their primary use case is moving people and equipment around in lower risk environments. The Defiant is a better conventional gunship platform, but the Valor is faster and can carry more equipment.
@scgrigsby
@scgrigsby 11 месяцев назад
Neither is ANY aircraft. Not even the Russians fly their Fixed Wing into Ukraine and their Helo's are taking a beating. No such thing as ground to air rockets. There is such a thing as surface to air missiles (SAM).
@pmfx65
@pmfx65 Год назад
And that's the problem! More of the same, maxing out the helicopter concept with complicated technology. The competitor has a new concept that has proven to be useful and I think has much more potential if it comes to speed and range.
@makatron
@makatron Год назад
I'm sure they'll still develop great version of this that we'll see a decade after entering service. But that cabin looks a bit too small to carry a fully geared team, gotta fix that too with some extra 50cm to each side or something like that.
@dwightbrown2808
@dwightbrown2808 Год назад
Isn't this a bit behind? They picked the V-280 a week or so ago.
@txtworld
@txtworld Год назад
Exactly. Such a sad video - a defiant fanboi in denial, about Boeing & Sikorsky's FLRAA loss
@cp_pdn
@cp_pdn Год назад
Inferior range and speed to the V280
@Defender78
@Defender78 Год назад
also its alot heavier, wider, and from ground to rotor mast, almost Twice As Freegin Tall as the UH-60. It's the size of a CH-46!!! It's slower by 60-70 MPH to the V-280, more fuel-hungry, and simply wasn't the best choice. Go Bell!
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 Год назад
@@Defender78 The Defiant is just as tall as a V-280 on the ground. The V-280's rotor hubs are only slightly shorter than the top of the Defiant when parked.
@tararaboomdiay7442
@tararaboomdiay7442 Год назад
@@andrewsuryali8540 Although Army doesn't require extreme folding as a Navy version of either would, I wonder it it would want folding rotor blades (manual fold as in UH/MH-60A/L/Ms and USAF HH/MH-60Gs) on a production model of either?. It wouldn't do anything to reduce height on Deviant, but it would permit Valor to rotate nacelles forward, which should reduce its height and width of both when parked for extended period or when in landbased hangar.
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 Год назад
@@tararaboomdiay7442 I think a production version will definitely need folding rotorblades. Not only will this allow parking space to be almost halved, it will be crucial because the V-280's gearbox is always exposed when its rotors are pointing up. This will invite debris and water into the most important components of the tiltrotor mechanism when parked outside.
@tararaboomdiay7442
@tararaboomdiay7442 Год назад
@@andrewsuryali8540 Your point is well taken, and I imagine Bell must have shown Army how they'd protect the transmission and tilt mechanism parked or in operations because otherwise that would have been a BIG red flag which someone [read: Sikorsky] would have been happy to point out. Maybe we'll learn more as the protest plays out, because in that process Army gets to disclose more than they have so far.
@wenderlanjones1369
@wenderlanjones1369 Год назад
I have made my own evaluation of both the Defiant and the V-280. I believe the best craft for the military is the Defiant. Also the Raider X
@n3v3rforgott3n9
@n3v3rforgott3n9 11 месяцев назад
Valor outperformed the Defiant in nearly every metric...
@StruggleGaming
@StruggleGaming Год назад
Well the Defiant X pushed back flight demonstration because of mechanical issues. It may have been better on paper, but like the Porche Tiger, if it can't perform when asked, it might as well be theoretical...
@1968gadgetyo
@1968gadgetyo Год назад
But it's a Boeing. Their company track records is in the drain. They lied about 737 Max and Starliner. In the Ukraine war, the Kamov Ka-50 is not doing that well. Limitations on coaxial rotors? And US got very little experience with coaxial rotors. And US has learn from the V22 Osprey on how to handle tilt rotors. I agree that the Valor has a larger footprint, but when compared wing tip, to wing tip, it's only slightly larger.
@ryanreyes4622
@ryanreyes4622 Год назад
do not expect the fanboys to care about that 'muh tilt-rotor bad' crowd usually couldn't care less about anything except brand loyalty.
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 Год назад
Ka-52s are doing exactly as well as any other helicopter in the Ukraine war. They get most of the press because they constitute the bulk of the Russian attack helicopter force. Actually, Hinds are falling at about the same rate, but fewer Hinds are being deployed.
@PeterMuskrat6968
@PeterMuskrat6968 Год назад
@@andrewsuryali8540 Well yeah, although the high losses are just the result of poor Russian tactics when it comes to their usage and the limited utility of helicopters in flat open terrain with no real cover.
@tracyedwards5400
@tracyedwards5400 Год назад
I noticed they didn't talk about range.. And saying it is designed to go a certain speed is not the same as saying it can achieve that speed.
@murderofcrows2179
@murderofcrows2179 Год назад
No, it is considerably longer and taller than the blackhawk. Which means=will not fit on any frigate or destroyer helipad/hangar, and may not fit carrier/assault carrier lift and possibly not fit in their hangars.
@Yettiattack
@Yettiattack Год назад
Since you’re the one in charge. Im sure you are 100% correct.
@murderofcrows2179
@murderofcrows2179 Год назад
@@Yettiattack not in charge of size, just look at the two.
@markaguilar8978
@markaguilar8978 Год назад
Well it's not for Navy.
@serronserron1320
@serronserron1320 Год назад
@@Yettiattack Aircraft elevators on an aircraft carrier have specific measurements that have a lot of limitations for certain aircraft
@tararaboomdiay7442
@tararaboomdiay7442 Год назад
The height is a big factor for a naval version, since there appears to be no way to lower it for storage on surface warships such as a DDG. Whenever Sikorsky shows animation of a naval Defiant, it is always operating from a CVN or a large full flat deck amphib. Bell has shown in illustrations and models how a naval Valor would fold up into a space the size of a folded UH-1Y. They will be able to fit as many V-280s in the hangar of, say, a DDG as SH-60s. Before any one asks why they didn't build it into their demonstrator, the Army doesn't need it and didn't ask for it.
@Peizxcv
@Peizxcv Год назад
This makes the Osprey looks like a POT but the Army picked the Osprey-inspired V-280 Valor
@bret9741
@bret9741 Год назад
Having experienced Osprey vs Blackhawk… the Valor is going to cost a lot more to operate over a 20 year time frame.
@totoitekelcha7628
@totoitekelcha7628 11 месяцев назад
By comparing osprey and blwckhawak you came to your stupid conclusion? Defiant share nothing in common with blackhawk then how come it will b cheaper to operate?
@joedoe6444
@joedoe6444 Год назад
so this is Boeings commercial to the public to try and keep their program alive after the army decided to go with the Valor tilt rotor program and Boeing is suing to stop the contract by throwing a 3 year-old like temper tantrum. "no fare, we didn't win" whaaaa
@radosaworman7628
@radosaworman7628 Год назад
I was certain that defiant would win.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins Год назад
as much as I don't think tilt-rotors work all that well, bell has been flying for like 4 years before this had its first flight
@yohancereece2509
@yohancereece2509 Год назад
Hell yea it is about time we get this helicopter going
@dzus123
@dzus123 Год назад
I think the Defiant X will be used by the Navy to replace their Blackhawks. The Valor is too big for many ships, but the Defiant X is the perfect size.
@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife
Here's how I see it: the Defiant X is a great platform for a UAV attack helo drone. The valor is actually perfect for bringing cargo and troops to aircraft carriers, but maybe not smaller ships. In it's current form however defiant X needs to be reworked. It just does not look like it has the cargo capacity to match the Blackhawk currently. I do agree though, I believe both platforms should be considered, but in terms of general replacement I do believe valor is a far better choice and is very likely why it got chosen over the Defiant X. Valor is faster, more survivable, more efficient, higher cargo capacity, more weapons system integration capable, probably has better stealth attributes, and has flexibility of not having to land vertically but as STOL (rather than to autorotate [which it still can do however, but doesn't need to] due to interconnected engines and the ability to both hover AND achieve horizontal flight on just one engines power). In terms of safety you'll find me in the Valor over the Defiant. I can also see it becoming the next radar / electronic warfare platform over the Grumman E-2 Hawkeye (maybe). Only time will tell!
@bl8danjil
@bl8danjil Год назад
The Defiant X is actually too long for Navy ships other than carriers. The Valor just needs a blade and wing fold and it would fit on Navy ships because it's length is shorter than its width.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins Год назад
the navy has their own seperate helicopter competition that they picked a winner for
@Rale117
@Rale117 Год назад
@@AsbestosMuffins which helicopter did they pick?
@gavynhohon2818
@gavynhohon2818 Год назад
@@Rale117A modified and upgraded V-22.
@KazenoniKakuremi
@KazenoniKakuremi Год назад
.. And that's why they lost the Blackhawk replacement contract
@fakshen1973
@fakshen1973 Год назад
The sell for the Defiant is how fast it can go from full forward flight to landing in a an improv LZ. That's the sell for this helicopter. The rear mounted prop can be reversed to slow the craft. A conventional helicopter only has the attitude of its main rotor to brake the aircraft. That's assuming the mission critical issues can be solved.
@rileybriggs4731
@rileybriggs4731 Год назад
That's just not really how it works. Helicopters don't fly at maximum speed during tactical flight as flying 200 mph 20 feet above the trees will just get you killed. The top speed is really for non combat cruising or long distance transport. Also the reverse thrust of the pusher prop is nothing compared to the immense braking force you can generate by just pitching nose up and pulling pitch
@tararaboomdiay7442
@tararaboomdiay7442 Год назад
@@rileybriggs4731 I don't think Sikorsky has ever actually demonstrated their promised rapid level deck deceleration. Bell has demonstrated slowing from 220 knots to hover in 45 seconds. One of the V-280 techniques is to tilt the proprotors 5 degrees aft of vertical and raise the nose just 4 to 5 degrees nose up, which really doesn't affect visibility of the LZ. Like you say, raising the nose also really helps in decel.
@tex1297
@tex1297 Год назад
My years of engineering experience taught me, what looks like sh#$ is a sh#$.
@cplchanb
@cplchanb Год назад
Right... just like Boeing claimed that the 737 max was so similar to the NG that no formal recertification was required....
@cptobvious8428
@cptobvious8428 Год назад
Agree with other comments. Great tech but unfortunately Boeing is involved. Sikorsky should never allowed take over
@_Avanfer_
@_Avanfer_ Год назад
New Kamov helicopter looks amazing.
@kira68200
@kira68200 Год назад
honestly, the defiant X is I think way cooler than the valiant and better looking BUT armies want capacities, not look, it is slower, can transport less troops or cargo and is apparently a maintenance nightmare, I don't really understand the fuss about the fact that the valiant has been choose however I can more easily see the defiant has a light attack and reconnaissance craft than the valiant, it seems more akin has a transport than an attack chopper but hey, I'm not military expert
@PolymurExcel
@PolymurExcel Год назад
Cause they think the Valiant was paid off. Ignoring that the thing despite its size, easily met all the requirements and did it with less crashes than the Defiant.
@Unmannedair
@Unmannedair Год назад
Actually, the only thing the defiant has on the valiant is an ability to auto rotate at speed... That's where the cruising efficiency comes from. It essentially turns into a gyro plane. In pretty much all other situations, I would take the valiant over the defiant. The defiant is a logistics and maintenance nightmare. Counter rotating props have always been a maintenance nightmare. Anything goes wrong, or any damage, and you have to take the whole thing apart just to fix it.
@Matt-yg8ub
@Matt-yg8ub Год назад
@@Unmannedair the trade-off being that the counter rotating blade system is extremely robust, extremely durable, negates the need for the tail rotor, and can auto rotate in the event of damage. The valor takes one decent 50 BMG to one of it’s exposed transformer engines and the whole thing is headed for the ground.
@JoshBryan
@JoshBryan Год назад
@@Matt-yg8ub Tell me you haven’t flown Army helicopters without saying you haven’t flown Army helicopters.
@tararaboomdiay7442
@tararaboomdiay7442 Год назад
@@Matt-yg8ub It's interesting that Sikorsky has remained conspicuously silent on the autorotation capabilities of Defiant. Regarding hits, you put some heavy rounds into Defian'ts mast, which being in the fuselage is an easier target, and it's going to undergo serious hurt.
@fredlandry6170
@fredlandry6170 Год назад
It looks weird but also cool and futuristic.
@Dogwattr
@Dogwattr Год назад
Reasons, from an HMLA guy: 1: Tail rotor-wash/slipstream. (debris) You'd have to send one at a time down the airstrip or risk Foreign Object Damage to the turbines. Putting multiple in a little space to go up and down isn't safer, either. 2: Implementation of new squadron(s) perhaps new hangars, maintenance crews, and logistics for new parts and processes. On a global scale, there are kinks in the chains. 3: *We already have the Blackhawk.* The USA is "thinking" of phasing it out, but that will take time to move all that's there, if there's even time, trust. We're seeking innovative frames, not just the best lawn dart. The Valor has new actuators that make the Osprey seem like a try-hard, which was is maintenance nightmare.
@tararaboomdiay7442
@tararaboomdiay7442 Год назад
We already have the Black Hawk, but then we already had the Huey. The environment and our resources around the world have changed and in the future the technology of this 50 year old design isn't going to be able to keep up.
@drgeoffangel5422
@drgeoffangel5422 6 месяцев назад
The problem that the defiant has, is simple; that there is a more capable machine out there that can do it's job. If tilt rotor hybrid helicopter /plane did not exist, then the Valiant would be adopted through out the American armed forces, but it does! The Valiant is an amazing helicopter , no doubting that, but at the end of the day, the buyer wants the best performance all round, that money can buy. Years ago there was much research done on X wing helicopter, that possessed a four blade propeller that could be stopped in forward flight and become the fixed wings of the craft. I suspect that the concept could not be made to work, and thus the idea was dropped. Tilt wing hybrid plane helicopter off a much further range and speed than any helicopter, and that's why it chosen by the Marines etc. However , sometimes too much complexity as in tilt rotor mechanisms, can lead to big problems down the road!
@FLORATOSOTHON
@FLORATOSOTHON Год назад
As a non US observer, I do believe that the Defiant X can withstand better any possible battle damage than the Bell design, particularly in the case where a wing tip is completely blown off by a missile strike. It seems however that Bell needed a new program in order to survive, since it had no major military programs since the Huey/Cobra helicopters. The mentioned vulnerability could possibly be minimized trough new air assault tactics. On the other hand Sikorski and Boeing still have the support and the International markets for the Blackhawk and Apache helicopters, among other types, that will keep them going for many years to come. This makes the decision understandable from a political point of view since it would not be beneficial for the US to have Bell going under. Military programs do have many more parameters than just technical specs and political as well as industrial base considerations are playing a big role. As far as the Blackhawk and Apache types I would like to see a new five blade rotor design with a Fenestron tail rotor, as an upgrade program.
@tomshackell
@tomshackell Год назад
We don't know the precise reasons the V-280 was chosen - we haven't been told. However, to make some alternative suggestions: the V-280 is significantly faster, has much more range, can carry more payload and troops. Faster speed, greater maneuverability and more range also translate to a better ability to avoid threats entirely: better to not get hit at all. The Defiant X may survive battle damage better .. or it may not .. co-axial rotors also have their challenges in that department. As I understand it the technology for the V-280 is also more mature: Bell have gained a lot of experience with operating tiltrotors from the V-22. Whereas the Defiant X is a much less well tested concept that I believe faced significant developmental challenges. As a result the Defiant X prototype had a lot fewer flight hours than the V-280 prototype. It's entirely possible that you're right and political factors played a part too: it's hard to know for sure. However, it's also quite possible that the V-280 was just the better aircraft - that's the opinion I lean towards given the evidence I've seen.
@FLORATOSOTHON
@FLORATOSOTHON Год назад
@@tomshackell Politics always play a role in big military programs. Technically I am sure that the bell design is a very good one. The tandem rotor design has also been tested with the S-97 Raider. Survivability in the end of the day, depends on the tactics used: If the aircraft is to be used for fast air transport, then yes the Bell design has advantages in speed and maybe other parameters as well. If however the aircraft is going to be used in an air assault role, where there is enemy presence near by, then IMAO having the engines and gear boxes exposed on the wing tips may present an added vulnerability to enemy SHORADS fire. Also when the Bell design is in forward motion mode, then the field of fire for onboard weapons will be significantly restricted by the size of the propellers. This is how I see it, but of course I am not the one buying the aircraft and I definitely don't know of how the US Army thinks of using it in future ops. So I only express my view based on current and previous use of helicopters in air assault roles.
@codyweaver7546
@codyweaver7546 Год назад
This looks like someone thought. Man helicopters just aren't complex enough, lets crank it up to one million.
@dewmontain123
@dewmontain123 Год назад
That thing looks amazing the future is now.
@estellemelodimitchell8259
@estellemelodimitchell8259 Год назад
Would the Defiant X end up like the RAH-66 Comanche helicopter? Just 1 or 2 units of prototype and the whole program is canceled since the Army is going to buy the Valor instead?
@1968gadgetyo
@1968gadgetyo Год назад
It depends on how much Lockheed/Boeing is 'contributing' the politicians.😁😁 The army still have the Future ASSULT program. They will betting on the Raider X make it through.
@TheBooban
@TheBooban Год назад
It was never a program so nothing to cancel. But yes, no more will be built. It’s technology will live on in the Raider-X.
@KC_Smooth
@KC_Smooth Год назад
@@TheBooban I hope the Raider X wins the scout/light attack helicopter contract.
@Paiadakine
@Paiadakine Год назад
Comanche program almost bit me in the ass. Was gonna move to another company but got cold feet and a month later the program was canceled.
@fishingforyams
@fishingforyams Год назад
too much like the Blackhawk to be useful in the Pacific. Range, speed, and reliability aren't comparable to the competition.
@dantepaule4311
@dantepaule4311 Год назад
Maybe that's the reason they lost the deal....same as Blackhawk....unlike the winner - Bell's tiltrotor V-280...?
@simonsezo2328
@simonsezo2328 Год назад
It's the Bradly all over again, I can't wait for a new pentagon wars movie.
@Buff_Dave_Oprtr
@Buff_Dave_Oprtr Год назад
The Defiant is a beast. So tho,is the new V280.
@ctr2670
@ctr2670 Год назад
Based on scaling the images in the Sikorsky/Boeing video, the Defiant X is larger than the UH-60 Blackhawk. Significantly larger. Using the Blackhawk main rotor diameter of 53' 8"as a reference, the Defiant X main rotor is approximately 59' 9" in diameter. Using again the Blackhawk main rotor diameter as a reference for scaling, the hanger door opening shown in the video is approximately 62' wide. For worst case rotor position this leaves less than 14" clearance to the door opening on either side when towing the Defiant X into the hanger. Indexing the Defiant X main rotor to as shown in the video reduces the aircraft width to approximately 56' 6", increasing door clearance to 33" per side. This would seem to be adequate clearance, but raises the question of how would mechanics index those two huge main rotors prior to towing? The Bell V-280 Valor may visually appear larger than the Defiant X, but based on published data the V-280 is significantly shorter in total length. With the V-280's two main rotors indexed to minimize width for towing into a hanger, the aircraft is approximately 59' 4" wide (again based on scaling published data). For a hanger with a 62' opening, this provides 16" clearance on either side when towing the V-280 into the hanger. Note: On the V-22, manually indexing the two main rotors common procedure, performed from the ground with the pylons at 90 deg using a lanyard looped around a blade, or by hand with the pylons rotated to 45 deg to facilitate reach. I assume a similar procedures can be used on the V-280. The ease in being able to manually index the rotors on the V-280 could also facilitate parking the V-280 in hangers with door openings smaller than the Defiant X would fit. By manually reindexing the V-280 rotors after the first blade passes through the hanger door, the effective aircraft width would be approximately 51'. As far as footprint on the ground, as noted the Defiant X is significantly larger than the UH-60 Blackhawk. Just look at the relative aircraft sizes in the Sikorsky/Boeing video. Therefore, with maintaining the same rotor to rotor clearances used on the Blackhawk footprint, this claim appears to be a stretch. Additionally, ground footprint comparisons of the Defiant X to the V-280 need to take into consideration the different proportions of each aircraft.
@deanfowlkes
@deanfowlkes Год назад
Great comment/post. Very succinct and clear. I think the main issue people have with the size comparison is that it is a red herring. Although, it maybe harder to manually index the rotors on the Defiant because of the height of the rotors, it should be easy to move them by hand. Helicopter rotor blades are supposed to be sprag[sp?] clothes to slow freedom to rotate without engine power. The Valor rotors may be a little easier to manually index due to being lower to the ground. But, they may not be clutched to the engine. I say “may” because I do not have the specs on it. Although, a turboprop/turboshaft is not that hard to turn without power.
@ctr2670
@ctr2670 Год назад
Hi Dean, You are correct in stating that the sprag clutch in the defiant gearbox, would allow re-indexing the rotors without needing to back drive the engine. The issue, however is the gearbox friction, but the tremendous inertia in those two heavy rotors. It will take a lot of external force to start those rotors moving and and equivalent amount of force to get the rotors to stop in the desired position. With the height of the rock rotors above the ground, this cannot be an easy task. With the height of the Defiant rotors above the ground, this cannot be an easy task. But as you say, this video is just a red herring. Both aircraft are larger than the Blackhawk they are replacing. If there was true aircraft performance benefits in the Defiant over the Valor, they would be presented in the Boeing video.
@deanfowlkes
@deanfowlkes Год назад
@@ctr2670 - Thanks for the feedback. I figured the sprag clutch and/or gearbox friction would not be much. As you said, the friction would be negligible compared to the inertia of the blades weight. I have not tried to move a UH-60’s rotors by hand. Obviously, the civilian helicopters I have tried this with had much lighter rotors. Even if height was not a factor, they could be turned at the gearbox or driveshaft. As you said, probably not an easy task on these behemoths.
@julienjeanmuller
@julienjeanmuller Год назад
I'm so glad the are protesting this.
@geraldmiller5232
@geraldmiller5232 Год назад
they lost that contract.
@DJAYPAZ
@DJAYPAZ Год назад
Just a general comment on an operational mode that hasn’t been discussed as far as I am aware. The Defiant-X should be able to ingress and egress a hot zone landing site faster than a a tilt rotor aircraft. There is not transition of flight mode required. Better still and forward thrust and lift operate independently within the allowed flight envelop. For ingress the pusher prop should be able to assist with deceleration. Again within the limits of the flight envelop. When absolutely every second counts these differences from the tilt rotation aircraft may save lives.
@n3v3rforgott3n9
@n3v3rforgott3n9 11 месяцев назад
you are wrong... the Valor had a better time to altitude and better deceleration time. IE all around the Valor will stay in the hot zone far less.
@derpcow
@derpcow 8 месяцев назад
ok so whats the point of the supposed ingress/outgress speed when the defiant cant even reach the LZ in the first place cause its out its operational range. The army designed this contract for the pacific theater so it needs range and speed which the valor has in spades and the defiant does not.
@n3v3rforgott3n9
@n3v3rforgott3n9 8 месяцев назад
@@derpcow Besides they are still wrong because in testing the Valor had a faster stopping speed from cruise speeds along with a faster time to altitude lmao. So either way the Valor would spend less time on target.
@mysterio1359
@mysterio1359 Год назад
One word.. China... the winner of this program must be able to survive a war with china... that means hoping from one Island to another.. that means speed and range... that means Valor is the winner...
@bartlettdieball2678
@bartlettdieball2678 Год назад
the only operators that operate beyond the logistics chain in the Army is SF the rest of it will never operate beyond 150 miles from base. If you tried to have any Army unit self deploy in a battalion size the MX and logistics nightmare of the V280 makes it useless besides small unit tactics which them make it operationally useless. its smarter for the Army to use shorter ranged aircraft off of ships than to do a island hopping campaign. And that is where the V280 turns into a mess as it doesn't fit on any ships of any kind except the tops of the LHAs the Navy has. You cant put them below decks at all.
@Andrew-lu6wp
@Andrew-lu6wp Год назад
Looks like Toothless from how to train your dragon , which is very cool .
@fidjeenjanrjsnsfh
@fidjeenjanrjsnsfh Год назад
You just answered your question. Why did Defiant lose? Because it's not that different from the Blackhawk. There's no need to buy it.
@VirginiaRican
@VirginiaRican Год назад
Which do you think is more susceptible to a shoulder fired munition? This or Valor? The question answers itself. That and landing footprint are a big deal.
@rileybriggs4731
@rileybriggs4731 Год назад
A tilt rotor is going to have a higher top speed and greater maneuverability at that top speed. So I would say the valor is significantly safer. Also landing footprint is surprisingly irrelevant. The blackhawk may be 60 odd feet but that doesn't mean it can land in a 61 foot field. During a tactical approach you'd need more like 300 feet to safely land.
@timallen3496
@timallen3496 Год назад
It won because of range primarily (double) , then speed. Defiant X did look good, but hey now they can pump it out to the public
@user-xo2vc6wd5m
@user-xo2vc6wd5m Год назад
For our civilization its coming good.
@alexprost7505
@alexprost7505 Год назад
Объясните мне что у него находится в большей половине корпуса позади окон? Как он передаёт тягу на задние винты? Явно не с общего редуктора)) Забано что в видео они показали что он помещается в такой же ангар что и черный ястреб, в который на вид поместился бы с130)
@user-kc7ie7wb7g
@user-kc7ie7wb7g Год назад
Тягу передает через вал вероятно и необязательно с общего редуктора. А пространство позади окон занимает скорее всего бак и прочее оборудование.
@alexprost7505
@alexprost7505 Год назад
@@user-kc7ie7wb7g естественно не с общего, вот он там как раз сзади и находится, вся эта система, пара редукторов, возможно даже 3, 1 общий и уже от него идут редуктора к толкающим и подъёмным, плюс еще толкающий со сцеплением. Да небольшую часть занимает топлево) Не думаеш же ты что к валу турбины по редуктору с каждый стороны прикручено)
@TheBooban
@TheBooban Год назад
1:44 it cuts out before you see how huge the Defiant is compared to the Blackhawk.
@georgekraus9357
@georgekraus9357 Год назад
"Same Operational Footprint" Defiant sure looks a big brother over his little brother
@bl8danjil
@bl8danjil Год назад
Yep and many people will still tout the "Valor is too big" misleading information. Both are bigger than the Blackhawk because they are required to carry more inside.
@bartlettdieball2678
@bartlettdieball2678 Год назад
@@bl8danjil You have obviously never had to fly a assault aircraft into combat 30ft wider is a major problem in most operations environments
@bl8danjil
@bl8danjil Год назад
@@bartlettdieball2678 Dude, the Valor is shorter than the Blackhawk and Defiant in length. It's probably shorter in height too. The Defiant is ridiculously tall.
@bartlettdieball2678
@bartlettdieball2678 Год назад
@@bl8danjil Height doesnt matter as much on the battlefield and when the V280 nacelles are in the vertical position the heights are roughly the same between that and the SB1. As far as the length yes the V280 is shorter but that isn't the problem. The width is LZ selection is important as you don't go approaching them on the short axis you always land long axis. the V280 being 30ft wider than anything else that is a problem especially in night ops where those extra 15ft sections are all rotating blades. I can tell you from experience in doing missions in Hawks in many theaters and flying jungle ops that you have a real tough time seeing rotor blades at night at 27ft away not try and pick that out at 42ft at night under goggles. I spent many years doing the missions that these birds are required to do the tilt rotor while pretty awesome in its own right if you clip a disc with something its game over. I have known numerous pilots that have clipped the tip caps in Hawks and flown home the V280 will never be able to do that. Footprint Width matters more than you think in missions.
@carisi2k11
@carisi2k11 Год назад
Forget about the contra rotating blades and focus on being the replacement for the uh60 in every other country because for sure we won't be operating the valor x in Australia and many other nations.
@PeterMuskrat6968
@PeterMuskrat6968 Год назад
You’ll just buy and then dump some shitty British choppers again right 😂
@james4807M
@james4807M Год назад
This looks like Ka52 and Black hawk had mixed baby 😅😂😂
@someguydino6770
@someguydino6770 Год назад
It's a little known fact that there's a specialized group of professional, hard rock musicians who only do soundtrack music for military aircraft videos.
@JeffDM
@JeffDM 11 месяцев назад
The text in the thumbnail suggested this video would cover why it lost to the Valor and the video didn't cover any of that.
@scgrigsby
@scgrigsby 11 месяцев назад
I guess the issue everyone seems to ignore, the Elephant in the Room, is WHAT will replace the Apache that can keep up with and out run the Valor so troops do not arrive without LZ prep and air cover? Please don't tell me that pilots that choose to become cargo/transport/utility helo pilots can magically become attack pilots. The two mindsets are universes apart. And abreast seating leaves at least one pilot blind on the side of the injured/decease pilot thus the reason for tandem seating.
@n3v3rforgott3n9
@n3v3rforgott3n9 10 месяцев назад
1. an attack variant can be designed for the Valor if needed. 2. tilt rotors don't HAVE to fly at 100% speed all the time.
@bombaclaatonthedeadhomies881
That's the chopper the super villain arrives in.
@j.francisward1897
@j.francisward1897 Год назад
At the least it's a similar footprint. I like the twin rotar, but it's huge
@grisslebear
@grisslebear Год назад
The skunk apes all had apoplexies when that thing dropped below the treeline.
@ChristopherNguyen360
@ChristopherNguyen360 Год назад
All I see is a flying submarine thats gonna be a maintenance nightmare
@ronaldrice2936
@ronaldrice2936 Год назад
I love the looks reminds me of Airwolf 👍💯✌️😁
@drewskiakg2719
@drewskiakg2719 Год назад
Damn! Badass gyropane!
@rcfp2006
@rcfp2006 Год назад
Boeing accidentally made a sci-fi movie prop.
@bojanglesthewizard8875
@bojanglesthewizard8875 Год назад
I swear these contractors go to little kids and ask them to draw a flying machine
@jasons44
@jasons44 Год назад
They picked the wrong helo
@chrisresnikoff1741
@chrisresnikoff1741 Год назад
I drew this with a crayon when I was seven.
@Dex01-Z_WingZero
@Dex01-Z_WingZero Год назад
I still believe it will be used for classified operations
@areus2016
@areus2016 9 месяцев назад
Here is what I don't understand. Why don't they just adopt both aircraft, and use them in tandem. Russia adopted both the Ka-52 and the Mi-35. Both aircraft were competing against each other for the same role. We all know the legendary status of both helicopters, and its thanks to the ongoing competition between Kamov and Rosvertol. I guarantee that if they adopt both helicopters, we are going to end up with two well refined vehicles that fill their own niche mission sets in an exemplary accord.
@davetomlinson9063
@davetomlinson9063 Год назад
From my perspective they look like different applications of design for different purposes.
@CaptainQueue
@CaptainQueue Год назад
Defiant X is not that different, and why it was the better choice. Valor is a fast aircraft but not a combat aircraft. It is too delicate, and cannot hover with precision expected of a combat helicopter.
@josue_kay
@josue_kay Год назад
A heatseeking missile's best friend.
@GoatTheGoat
@GoatTheGoat Год назад
That thing is clearly much larger than the Black Hawk. The Black Hawk hangers in the animation are laughably oversized.
@MizMite2002
@MizMite2002 Год назад
The same company that cant keep its passengers plane afloat.
@chrisp.5272
@chrisp.5272 Год назад
The Valor is more badass and suitable for the US military. That being said versatility is a good thing so I hope the three letter agencies obtain a few from Boeing.
@ДмитрийЧа5аан
@ДмитрийЧа5аан Год назад
Америка страна великих свершений. Боже храни Америку
@Dvsingh6124
@Dvsingh6124 Год назад
Should offer it to Ukraine,India,Taiwan,Japan
@txtworld
@txtworld Год назад
How sad - a defiant fanboi in denial, about Boeing & Sikorsky's FLRAA loss
@outforbeer
@outforbeer 3 месяца назад
Defiant is actually very large. It’s so long
@Dcale
@Dcale Год назад
How the hell does it have never exceed speed lower than cruise speed?
@usacommanderball221
@usacommanderball221 Год назад
Nice of the helicopter and I may say it’s maybe better than the Blackhawk
@CyberKnightX21
@CyberKnightX21 Год назад
It would definitely not work for Navy purposes like the Seahawk version of the Blackhawk does. It's much taller which is a major issue with storage on ships.
@ptbot3294
@ptbot3294 7 месяцев назад
The defiant look like a flying submarines
@kureed79
@kureed79 Год назад
RIP in advance to US Army for opting tilt-rotor and not Defiant or Raider.
@n3v3rforgott3n9
@n3v3rforgott3n9 11 месяцев назад
The valor outperformed the Defiant in nearly every metric and tilt rotors are very safe no matter what the memes say.
@kureed79
@kureed79 11 месяцев назад
@@n3v3rforgott3n9 safe? They have been use yet. I can bet all type tilt-rotors will have same weakness like V-22. Outperformed in speed only but the stability will be worst compared between Defiant or Raider.
@n3v3rforgott3n9
@n3v3rforgott3n9 11 месяцев назад
@@kureed79 V-22 is one of the safest aircraft the Navy flies... a tilt rotor is far more stable at high speeds and the Valor passed level 1 low level handling tests the blackhawk also had to pass. The V-22 is a medium lift aircraft it is in a different weight class than the Valor and has multiple design choice to fit the marine corps requirements which limit it. It was also the first of its kind with many teething issues.
@n3v3rforgott3n9
@n3v3rforgott3n9 11 месяцев назад
@@kureed79 ill also add that the Valor is not only faster and can fly further than the Defiant but can climb to altitude faster and decelerate faster making its time on target far less. It only have a 19% larger footprint than the Blackhawk but can carry 23% more troops and more under slung load.
@kureed79
@kureed79 11 месяцев назад
@@n3v3rforgott3n9 The Blackhawk has less technical incidents for being 40 year old compared with V-22 whose lifespan about 20 year old now.
@whirltech8031
@whirltech8031 Год назад
Did Boeing ever consider that the Army was looking for something *different from the Blackhawk?
@tnickknight
@tnickknight Год назад
The Apache had relations with a Russian Alligator and this was it's child!
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