Boethiah, Daedric Prince of Plots | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #43 

Haven’t finished the podcast yet, but in relation to the poo story - The gates of Oblivion can supposedly be seen through her teeth, so perhaps instead of eating Trinamac and shitting Malacath, she could’ve banished him to Oblivion, through her mouth-gate, and her stomach, where “Trinamac suffered” could be her plane. So Trinny became Mally after being hurled into Oblivion and back out again.

Can’t wait to use the term “been Malacathed” in polite conversation.

I just love this whole series, the in depth discussions about the Daedra are just what I needed in my life

it's crazy to me that they "just" started a podcast, i've been listening to their videos on the background for years now, this feels so natural

It’s hard to describe exactly what you’re content does for me but it would be somewhere in between extremely calming and perfect. Please never stop fudgemuppet! Nice fallout 76 slam btw 😂

The reason they refer to Boethia as being amongst the strongest of Padomaics in the Songs of Wulfharth is to show that the Nords acknowledge Boethia as being powerful because of her connection to Padomay and thus to Lorkhan as a means of showing that Nerevar was a powerful leader of the Chimer due to him being the son of Boethia, making him equally connected to Padomay/Lorkhan. Basically, they were saying Boethia/Nerevar were strong because they were more like the Nords ideologically than other elves were. Essentially stating that the strongest of the Elves and Daedra were only strong because of the traits they shared with Nords/Men. Its Nordic self-glorification by acknowledging your enemy's strength as traits borrowed from or shared with the Nords themselves.

“Boethiah would’ve never allowed Fallout 76” is the best thought anyone can take away from this podcast

In my head-canon, Boethiah just absorbed Trinimacs form leaving him as nothing but a husk. His followers try to move the corpse and all the sudden the curse that changes them spreads, in a scene similar to Promethues when the race is wiped out by that big black cloud of death.

I am alive because that one is dead. I exist because I have the will to do so. And I shall remain as long as there are signs of my handwork, such as the blood dripping from this blade.

Drew: "Of all my co-creators, but two remain. Tell me, second-to-last, with what shall you prove your existence?" Michael: "Without hesitation I drew forth my wiki-research and buried it in the accounts of the other who commented beside me, and without fear replied: "Ask him whose story now sprouts from my citation if I exist." Drew smiled. And the gates of Oblivion opened between his teeth. Then he said: "Tell me, now-last of my co-creators, wherefore do you remain where the others do not?" I retrieved my citation, and offered it up saying: "My point is alive because that one's dead. I exist because I have the will to do so. And I shall remain as long as there are signs of my handwork, such as the lore dripping from this quote." Accepting my gift, Drew nodded and said: "Indeed."

I do wonnder what Boethia thinks about Dagon. With him being the prince of change, rebellion and energy I do think they share common traits. Also we have to consider paradise, where the faitful were beiing hunted by dremora in order for them to adapt, fight and ascend to become dremora themselves and loose fear of death through constant struggle and rebirth.

Thank you so much guys! Exactly what I needed today, after an emotionaly exhausting day.

Apollyon from For Honor gives me Boethiah vibes.

This makes me like Boethiah even more now

Imagine creating a world populated by your own descendants only for some goth chicks to turn them emo. That's how the aedra feel about the chimer.

You guys always have some very unique perspectives that always add to my love of elder scrolls

Look at Azura's stories. Shes the Daedra of Metamorphoses and Change. Her rage changed the Chimer to Dunmer She set the shapes of the Khajiit She may have been the reason for why Aldmer became Orismer, (though Boethiah holds a corrupt form of Trinimac) but why Malacath became beastly. She is dawn and dusk, liminal times of shifting.

A perfect companion to my Sunday morning coffee

40:20 it's like how cats can't get the backs of their necks, so that's where you add flea/general parasite prevention drops

Last time i was this early malacath was trinimac

Anyone who likes Boethiah needs to find the mod "The Tournament of the Ten bloods" on the Nexus. It's not the biggest or longest mod but it's oh so good.

This video is the dark souls of elder scrolls podcasts

Didn't the altmer try to summon a daedric army during the Great War? Its possible the increased daedra worship is probably a hint at that

@fudgemuppet Thank you for making content like you do. You fellas are quite awesome.

After 1st 12 hour shift of the week, this is something to calm down with 😁

I played Arena in high school, but I am younger than a "boomer". My parents are boomers, but I guess everyone over 30 seems ancient to you wee lads. Speaking of older TES games, you guys need to make a video that discusses the "spiritual prequal" to Arena, which of course is Pacman (and then its sequel Mrs Pacman). Boethiah was originally a mortal named Pacman (and then later Mrs Pacman, which is where the concept of Boethiah's shifting gender came from). Through their struggles in the "arena", they consumed everything possible until clearing the entire plane at which point, the next kalpa begins, and the struggle restarts. It was only after countless attempts at winning finishing kalpa after kalpa (because there would always be another kalpa) that they realized the truth: the struggle itself is madness and thus the true struggle is to stop struggling. All players of Pacman eventually realize this and thus achieve chim escaping the endless cycles. Thus, Boethiah is really the embodiment of the contradictory notion of "struggling to stop struggling" which is why they come in both genders, which is how this contradictory notion expresses itself to mortals. And of course, their path to chim is through struggle and deeds (gobbling power pellets and dispatching enemies only to see them respawn) over and over until you realize that the struggle itself is vain, cease the struggle, and thus transcend the arena altogether. We need that video.

Collab with Young Scrolls, the saint of tonal architecture, please.

Rest in peace, my homie Trinimac. May you rise/be mantled and return to the Orbis officially!

Fudgemuppet are the Dark Souls of Elder Scrolls youtubers. There are three of them, and the one in the middle has a different feel which can be appreciated in its own way.

When we get old and say things like "Skyrim was the greatest" they'll call us Greyneckbeards.

It's the towers! The Throat, White Gold, and the Admantine. Talos guide you.

I thought i was the only person on earth who remembered the shoddycast eso podcast

Scott rockin a new cut, looking nice.

Boethiah seems so much like Slaneesh from warhammer. Or vice versa? I'm not sure which came first. But apparently evil gods who like eating people is a common thing in fantasy.

A good reasoning behind boethiah not being cool with the tribunal is that they in theory they did it 'for the greater good of their people'(while they were fairly self serving, they definitely did a TON of good stuff for the dunmer, protecting them from strife and struggel, giving prosperity, subjegating their will, and even formalizing internal strife to a degree that it's no longer a cutthroat society). This seems to not only be antagonistic to boethiah's preferred motivations BUT ALSO precludes the other chimer/dunmer(the people boethiah would likely identify with as their selected people the most) from genuine 'overcoming' of existence.

I played Daggerfall ... I'm an elder scrolls boomer 😭

I need to watch all these discussions. They help with the Skyrim fan fic I'm writing.

Could dragons of the north be Akavir? It's not exactly north but it has dragons and katanas are their thing

Stellar work as ever, lads.

What would happen if a god, like Molag bal realised he was just a part of the god head ? Can he achieve Chim? Or....? 🤨🧐

I feel like Boethiah wouldn't have liked what the Tribunal did for the following reasons: One, she and her followers seem to view Lorkhan as sacred. She punished people for simply saying bad things about him. So she probably wouldn't like them corrupting and profaning his heart. Two, as mentioned, just because her sphere is plots, lies, and betrayal doesn't mean she enjoys being lied to or betrayed. I mean there might be some things you could get away with because she'd respect that you have game, but this seems like too much. Three, I feel like she would see using a dead God's artifact, AFTER someone else already slew it's guardians as cheating. They didn't achieve ascendance Using their own power and knowledge, but by stealing from one who couldn't even defend themselves. They alone may not piss off Boethiah, but the fact that there was no real challenge to it that they just waltzed in and took it definitely would.

Already 43 rd podcast, 👍

19:05 WHOA elder scrolls writers going full 93 93/93 on us?

blessed be

11:12 - It makes sense to me too that Boethiah would hate Molag Bal but for a different reason. Molag Bal is all about domination and subservience. It seems to me that, if anything, Boethiah is all about complete freedom and independence. Have no loyalty to anyone, bow to no one. Look out for your own interests only and struggle ruthlessly to accomplish them. That's pretty much the opposite to Molag Bal who demands complete subservience to his will.

Scott rocking the generic Stockholm boy haircut haha I love it

I argue that the Empire as depicted in Skyrim is the largest act of Boethiah worship ever. They allow the sacrificing of their own citizens to buy time for a second war with the Dominion. And that is why I support the 'Cloaks.

I feel fundamentally the violent path that Boethia represents is a dead end. When pursuing power and overcoming for it's own sake you doom yourself to a rote existence that is arguably as bad or worse than death. Naarvare is the best though for his dedication to what Azura represents, beauty and love for ones self and life that lends purpose to the struggle of Boethia.

Easily my Favorite daedric god challenges the status quo in order to see if your strong enough to handle the challenge you either find yourself or find yourself lacking

Boethiah is to Elder Scrolls what Crom is to Conan: The Barbarian.

Buzzfeed article headline: Boethia LITERALLY eats Trinamac and shits him out!

It seems all of this mind bending lore is turning Scott’s hair white

Scott lookin fresh!

Willburger is connected to love.

Fudge should look into the movie "the time machine"also a book. it's like real life falmer. Maybe even the inspiration for them.

Title: “Daedric Prince of Plots” My Brain: “Daedric Prince of Thots”

So ok what are the dark elves general thoughts on lorkahn

Dear FudgeMuppet, I know this is a bit late for me to ask, but I have a question about the Golden Lion build (Who I believe is follower of Boethia). My computer can be a bit buggy, so Nexus doesn’t work. But Steam Workshop works just fine for me. I love the Golden Lion build, so my question is: Are there some Steam mods that I can use to create that build or at least something similar?

Boethiah is just an OP edgelord

I always jace had a hard time understanding why Boethiah isn't involved in the dark brotherhood or morag tong at all. I know meohala is all about secrets and murder but they say boethiah is assassination. With that distinction it would seem they both would have connections to it

old man scott got gray hairs from the ice berg video

Vivec disappeared because he realized how far the Summer had fallen under the rule of the tribunal and left so they would be forced to struggle while he goes on a spirit quest to become a new daedric prince

LEARN BY DOING

Malacath, more like Malascat...Ha.

Whens the next build

I just don't see Boe to care at all if the Tribunal became gods. Or mephala. Seems just to be Azura who threw a fit

Putting the fudge in fudgemuppet

Malacath’s son would be a Deadmi prince

How many other gods has Boethiah eaten?

Hopefully ES:6 gets some help from the prince of plot.

Dang..... Drew throwing shade on Fallout 76....Ouch.... I hope you hear that Bethesda

One word THELEMA

Loved the podcast, apologies for not my sooner, busy life :/

scott shaved the stache.... finally.

I wish you guys would still make Skyrim builds

I’ve got a question about hybrid races, is it possible with giants 🤔

Why does Scott look 12?

This is...different.

Thanks guys, Divines bless your kind hearts 💕

Never too late to disrespect 76

Yess was gonna sleep because it's 2am NZT but that ain't happening now because imma stay awake and think about there theories and my own 😁😁

Hey great vid do fudgemuppet still do skyrim builds

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Does he have plot armor

Mephala when

It's now canon that Boethiah hates Fallout 76.

There's a sort of weird irony about the whole Boethiah and accepting struggle attitude...I find that High Elves and Bosmer are way...happier or find more passion and less likely to be self-pitying whereas Dunmer are far more likely to have a kind of self-loathing, "why does all the bad stuff happen to me?" attitude. In other words, Altmer and Bosmer from what I can tell ironically have more confidence than Dunmer. Altmer and Bosmer structures are more elegant..."happier" structures than Dunmer...Dunmer stuff is just pained and depressing most of the time...I mean, when I go to Dunmer areas, even the music is just more depressing and the music for Bosmer and Altmer is more prideful, relaxing, or brilliant, exceptions would be on Vvardenfell with some of the ESO and Morrowind songs that are a bit more cheerful (but I think that's probably because they have to do with Vivec who is by nature this generally optimistic "We can do it" sort of person). Otherwise, mainland Morrowind is just depressing as hell lol, dark gray stone structures near volcanoes and swamps with no real elegance or pleasantness, meanwhile, the people who apparently hate being mortal have the most exquisitely beautiful, meaningful architecture that seems to be a celebration of form and purpose. So I think some of the whole Boethiah wants you to learn how to struggle is ironic. Because, in my opinion at least, the High Elves and Bosmer show how to live as mortals far better than the Dunmer so far...the Dunmer seem lost because of the tension between "Good Daedra" and Tribunal (of course, that it over in 'modern' Tamriel whenever TES 6 drops). But I don't agree that the Altmer (or even Aldmer) sat around moping and teary eyed...they created some of the most beautiful art, magic, structures in Tamriel that every culture since has had to reckon with

Damn scott really got highlights. Must be an over seas thing

Daedric Princes were like "Fuck gender norms"

It was such a disgusting episode in Elder Scrolls Lore, the writers really let the fans down with such gross needless imagery - its an example of how even the downtrodden underdogs can commit acts so horrible that you no longer feel any sympathy for them, they have become as disgusting as their oppressors.

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Noice

I'm just wondering why they're called "Daedric Princes" while there are some who are women

I HATE Boethiah. That being said thank you for the episode! You guys always keep the podcast interesting

Redo the whet fang. I also ahve a build i would like to share with you, and i would like some contact info so i could share it with you. No, im not trying to scam and be a creep. I just have a biuld i wan to share.

Is there still anyone who didnt know about RJVX12?

How do you guys still come up with new things to talk about a game that's 10 years old?

Why are you watching this!? Read about the RJVX12 algorithm!

I became an atheist a decade ago, yet here I am spending my Sunday morning listening to some guys read scripture about the gods.

I like your stuff, but guys, every time you say you ”like” Boethiah I throw up in my mouth a bit. Yeah, she’s kinda cool in a grimdark badass kinda way. You can be fascinated, I respect that. But ”liking” ... no. Just no. Boethiah is at the same time the most despicable and the most dysfunctional of all the Daedra. It’s not just that her definition of ”strength” and ”weakness” forces worshippers into rediculous for-the-EVULZ behaviour. (Like that story with a worshipper - and what an epic fail that ceremony was btw - backstabs his buddy to survive and pretends that it is an act of will rather than cowordice.) It’s not just that she tells you that emotional connections to other beings makes you weak, and if you ever find yourself caring for someone else you should kill that someone to exorcise your vulnerability. And that is defined as ”strength” rather than self harm by proxy. The most annoyingly stupid part of her creed is that cooperation is *stronger* than reflexively trying to screw everyone you interact with. Chronic backstabbing disorder is a recipe for failure, not a road to success. Societies where people can rely on each other are infinitely stronger, richer and more functional than societies where everyone constantly has to spend time, effort, thought and resources to guard against inevitable betrayal of everyone else. And also nicer to live in, just by the way. I think that the dark elves are probably fu##ed as a civilization because of their cultural affinity for this Daedra.