Derek in this video services a gas boiler to the new part L of the building regulations. in the video Derek strips the boiler and cleans the heat exchanger and tests the central heating water quality.
Thanks Derek When I watch your videos it’s look like I’m in my own class.u explain same like my gas instructor.i love to watch your videos.always helpful
Had a company ask me to do some services for them. The usual thing " we look after loads of properties in your area" They wanted 12 to 14 services done in a day. I told them that there was not enough hours in a day to do it correctly and they said they wanted them doing as per manufacturers requirement and I again said that could not be done but they CLAIMED that all their other engineers did not have a problem doing that many. Well needless to say I did not accept and there is no way they are being done correctly at the prices and time scale they were asking. This is a major area of concern as corners must be being cut. Even BG I have seen go into a boiler and just test flue gases only and if they are ok do no more and on occasion not even removed the cover if the flue gases are ok. I could not sleep because even a pass today could be a crumbling seal that perished the next day.
Same as other industry such as EICR for electrician. You know price and standards have being driven down by the doggy guy and be spoiled so as company. So the worst won, the best starved to dye.
Company didnt start with an F did it? 😂 indeed i worked for a company and all they did was saftey checks and leave in 20mins!! Not good, i left after a week!! 👍
I had the issue with HOMEPLAN asking to do a boiler service for £30 . They said, someone guys in my postcode do it that price and they give them blocked service of 50 customers in a month
Thanks for this video. Just had my first ever gas safe safety audit. (Previously been in companies up till now) This video was invaluable as I was examined for domestic and most of my past has been commercial. Passed no problem. We all have our wobbles in life. Confidence can go up and down and I know from your recent video you have had your training questioned. I mention your videos. The two gas safe assessors knew all about you and didn't have a bad word to say. FYI. They assess two guys a day. Kind of tells you a proper service check should take as long as it takes and that isn't an hour ! Or 15 mins like a British company have been accused of taking ! By the way Gas Safe specifically asked for tightness test checks
There is a service and a "service". Trouble is a lot of larger companies actually tell you to do the bare minimum legal requirement and give you such a workload that it's impossible to do anything other than the bare minimum.
The blue van company and social housing contractors are encouraged to do 20 minute safety checks to make sure their managers get great KPI’s. 12 “services” a day is the norm unfortunately. I’ve been there but thankfully got out.
@@matthewtrueblood408 Im on social housing 9 jobs a day in 8 hours including travel. Its impossible to do a full service on the workload they give. Always fighting with time
Unfortunately had the unfortunate experience of working for a few prone and go companies, even had a wonderful couple of days working with the boss of one of them, the best giggle I had was at 5.30 on day 1, at a multinational landlord association after completing 7 inspections and ordering service kits and parts for all of them, the gaffer came to me and said “ok, I’m off now, you’ve only got 50 more to do by Friday 😂, he’d only got 3 done! All “passed”, just got in his car when the Tennant’s came out to tell him they had no gas! He’d done a tightness test and not turned it back on! 😂 cracking inspection. Found my own work not long after that
Nice video. The copper grease is a high temperature grease. Sometimes nuts can seize when they get hot for long periods. Use then on car brake pads and exhaust manifold bolts 😇
thermal grease is to do with Giannioni heat exhanger making clicking noie when heating up and epxanding. Vaillant started adding it to service kit some 7-8 years ago agter complaints from customers and engineers that boilers stright from the factory were making loud clicking noise on heating up. Thermal paste proivdes lubrication and stops those clicking noises from happening where aliminum expands quicker than stainless steel, ie cover on the main hex.
copper grease and 7nm for the burner nuts, great post sir. and no i doubt many will cover everything you showed. So basically the new service is the pretty much the same as commissioning the boiler. Just to ad the flow temps adjust the condensing time of the boiler, so anything with a return of 55*c and below will condense but if the flow was 65 -70 it would just heat the room quicker and turn off the boiler quicker and still give 20*c difference on larger systems but not on a smaller 8 rad system. With a 50* flow i doubt your rads that are last in line will be optimum temp.
Great video derek did notice you didn’t check fuse rating on fuse spur ,we’re always getting told check it’s 3amp oh and my mrs would kill me if I didn’t have a dustsheet down to protect the worktop , very informative and useful info tho bud keep up good work
I took that out of the video because it was getting too long so typical someone notices. As for the dust sheet on our worktops I would have ended up on my arse if I had stood on it 😂
This is the first of your videos that I've watched, I recently retired from the industry, my final years as a consultant to local authorities and housing associations. They wont pay their term contractors sufficient money to get the boilers serviced correctly, I tried to get them to undertake water analysis, they couldn't see the point. You didn't discuss the need to test the PRV and I would have checked the gas pressure st the boiler with it on high fire, to ensure gas supply was correct size, I've seen many connected to 15mm. I enjoyed your vid and will watch more of them.
On my service records, it does state ‘Was a full Strip Of the Appliance Carried Out?’, and to me, that’s actually opening up the Combustion Chamber to check all the Gaskets, and cleaning the Heat Exchanger and Burners, but for a basic, leave it sealed, check for CO breaches around the Gaskets, if possible, check flame picture, and do a Combustion reading, and check with the MI’s to see if they’re ok. If not, then do a full strip, providing you have all the Gaskets on you. OR does Part L mean… Always carry out a full strip of the appliance, no matter what?
A little tip is have a shraider valve tightening tool handy. 1 in every 3 or 4 shraider valves i have dealt with once disturbed leaked and needed tightening. So put one in the service kit
New regs means nothing when the public don't have a clue about them. A service now is one of the biggest cons going leaving many out of pocket and so called engineers earning £600+ a day by only doing FGA and in some instances, cleaning the condensate trap out too. I honestly don't think I've been to one boiler where it has actually had a service and my customers are quite pissed when I show them what should have been done each year. Until the public fully know what's required in a service, the 15 minute gang will still get away with it.
The quickest service I’ve heard about was this contractor went into a private property and took a photo of the boiler and the gas meter a flue terminal and then told the customer, service complete, all safe for another year, i serviced the boiler again properly to put the customers mind at ease, some major cowboys out there giving us all a bad name!!!
True this. Problem is they don’t know the difference between a landlords check and a service. I always give them the option and always detail on my gas sheet exactly what I’ve done.
Some do yes and manufacturer instructions over rule regs, which highlights the reason for needing the instructions to hand before commencing a service. Remeber though that even if readings are correct, from my understanding, a full strip down and gasket change is still required at 5 year intervals.
@@craigwatson7692 Yeah 5 year for NG 2 for LPG for Vaillant/Glowworm with some of the older boilers with the small rubber gasket at the bottom of the Hex every 3 is recommended due to the rubber being less robust than the Graphite seal
Hi Derek , any comment on the new Part L 2021 as of June the 15th applications restricting existing boilers not meeting the efficiency ratings not being able to be extended into extensions? I’ve seen little talk of such.
I got told off by the gas safe inspector in 2014 for not isolating when removing and replacing the gas meter test point as he said what if I had a seizure, heart attack or passed out there would be gas escaping. I am leaving the industry this year at 53 I've had enough, there are going to be a huge shortages of people in the industry and they think it's bad now.
I love these gas safe inspectors they can come out with absolute BS you could say that for anything in life ooh you can turn that on because you could have a heart attack and die and leave an unsafe situation you won’t care will you 😜
Huge shortage in the industry, theres more people doing boilers than ever before because of the 6 week gas courses and all that. Between that and the prices of materials its getting harder and harder to make any money.
@@stephen_hughes not sure what part of the country you're in but the south west has always had a shortage. The internet killed making money on materials, I get customers to supply if they mention prices.
I'd love to keep pointing out the paragraph at the beginning of every CoP that says it's guidance only and that you can do as you please aslong as it can be considered to meet or exceed the process in CoP. And tell the inspector to pull his head out of his ..... Just to wind them up I like to do a 3min tightness followed by a letby without stabilisation. I'm not helping myself but it's entertaining😆
Let's go back in time to 2002 ish. Part L was updated and then when steamers became mandatory in 2005, the criteria that came with a new boiler was updated cylinder, room stat if not fitted, full programmer. My conversion of quotations to actual work was about a third. Go back further to 1999. That from memory was when Benchmark was launched. Neither of the above was followed by the majority, only the minority. Glad I'm out of the industry now to be honest.
How many boiler do you come across that have been fitted then boxed in that it takes a hour just to beable to get the casing off Last one i had ended up taking kitchen units off the wall and client wasnt happy when i wouldnt put it back up
Excellent video and very informative. Thanks for taking the time and trouble for doing it. At point 36:09, you mention about gas rating the CH and DHW. Any chance to can explain how one goes about actually doing these caluations please. The silicone grease on the HE is to stop creaking noises caused by the expansion and contraction of the HE and associated metals parts. So says the Vallient Engineer. !!. Thank you
I work mostly on valliant boilers and get asked about the cracking sounds by customers. I know what causes it but never knew this was how to solve the issue, cheers
I took out boiler insurance that included a boiler service. The engineer came and took a quick look at the boiler, he didn't take the boiler cover off, he looked underneath the boiler with his torch, he was supposed to bleed the radiators, but he didn't do this either. I never received a safety certificate. The so-called service lasted about ten minutes.
Great video. Couple of tips: I use a foam appliance mat under boiler, put a little silicone grease in schrader before testing, use the back of a Stanley to clean chamber. What's the point in gasrating and WP if not max/min?
Hi Derek, quick question when doing working pressure at the meter; i have noticed the fluctuation in pressures with the modulating boilers so thankyou for explaining that, which reading would you use for the paperwork and to compare with the inlet pressure? The higher read of 21 or the lower read of 20? TIA
Be aware that Adey Pro Check (at time of writing) will not work with all inhibitors. Dipstick based systems can only reveal the chemical the reagent at the end of the test strip is designed to reveal. Similarly, Fernox test strips are for Molybdate based inhibitors. Not all inhibitors are Molybdate based, one of the biggest selling inhibitors in the country is Nitrate based, so those dipsticks won't pick it up.
@@esgas2042 i-Test by Scalemaster will. It doesn't look for a chemical signature but by the action of an inhibitor in water working in real time - so whether it's Sodium Nitrate based or Molybdate based or using a coating agent like Benzotriazole it doesn't matter.
Very informative video as usual. Just don’t know if i missed the part of vessel charging, do we have to drain the boiler to check vessel pressure and charge it if needed. Also any video about gas rating and what it means and to do if its not wt is expected. Finally u promised a video about weather compensation
Always drain the boiler to charge expansion vessel. If you don't you will not have the correct reading because of the pressure from the heating circuit.
Well I had my combi boiler serviced . As part of a house hold insurance policy. Boiler was about 3 years old. Guy came. Took a combustion test. Did not even remove the cover took down a meter flow reading on max fire and that was the end of the service. Did not even notice that the presure gauge did not work . And that is an approved professional. Lol
I honestly haven't bothered to service my Ultracom2 Combi in the eight years since I installed it. I did the burner seal as it was required after 5 years but honestly didn't need doing. I still find it odd that Baxi now uses the same heat exchanger but with a lifetime silicone burner seal instead of the graphite one. When the Ultracom2 was out that was my go to boiler for customers and aside the once every 5 year burner seal, what you've video'd is the standard service we carry out (excluding ph testing, that was commercial setting only until this current update even though I check the filter each year), only takes an hour sometimes less if you've got an apprentice with you to Gas rate while you're carrying out temperature testing etc. I'll get the Adey test kit as it can be carried out while doing other aspects of the service. As for range rating and temperatures, hot water definitely will save money especially turning the preheat off. As for heating, yes and no, I've fitted load compensated Ultracom2's with Climapros and fitted without weather comp and standard stats. I've also been asked to remove the weather comp so people have control of their heating. In the end it will always depend on how the resident wants to run it, with many customers saving money and preferring to run the heating at 65c for a couple of hours on full output rather than reducing the output and having a more constant background heat for a longer period of time. In theory it's 6 of one half a dozen of the other but I did find my own home tends to hold temperature better if it's on full for 2 hours and then shuts off, than when it was set to the heat loss and left on of an evening. Much of it is psychology, but overall I saved more gas being at higher output for a shorter duration than being on lower output for longer.
Vaillant don't want the burner removed every year, just at 5 years when gasket is replaced. I thought the graphite replaced the silicone seals as they failed between services. I've inspected a couple of boilers, LA properties, where the silicone seal failed and destroyed the boiler, needless to say that they had been recently serviced by their term contractor who expected their engineers to service 12 boilers a day, impossible!
I haven't seen any unreasonable testing procedures in this video and it's pretty much the same thing as we are required by law to have done bi-annually (recommended by law and required by most manufacturers) annually in Belgium. If you are saying having to spend money to have a professional check on the health and maintenance of your system and possible hazards for you and everyone that could be affected by faults in your heating system, then you probably shouldn't own a gas boiler.
@@Candisa Nothing to with annual servicing (which I have done every year) more that the government here in the U.K. is making owing this type of heating system harder and harder ( the problem is the replacement ‘solution’ , ASHPs are expensive and not as good as what we currently have)
@@jasonaris5316 so it has nothing to do with the topic of the video... Yes, heat pumps are still expensive and aren't perfect, but they are the best solution available to reduce the need for fossil fuels (product of war and pollution) to heat our homes after reducing the need for heat. Prices do come down, technology is improving. I'm still waiting as well, as a matter of fact I bought a brand new gas boiler last week because my home and budget isn't ready for a heat pump yet, but the goal is to eventually get that boiler to run at its minimum temp and power and still have a warm home 95+% of the time so a heat pump can be added in later and the boiler can eventually be replaced by an electric afterheater (for the couple of freezing days) and an electric hot water boiler. I do prefer ground source though, it doesn't make sense to extract heat out of freezing air while there are double digit temps a couple of meters underneath us. There are very compact and efficient GSHPs out there.
@@Candisa The Brain washing has certainly worked in your case! here's a solution: Get 100% saving on the running of your gas boiler - turn the bugger OFF!
Copper grease in sachet to stop expansion noise, 6 nm for burner flange nuts and no need to clean electrode, they have special coating on only need a soft brush, we also soft brush the primary coils after the poking 👍
@@tomkatgastraining yeah agree, but that's what vaillant r&d told us, excellent service though, pity a lot of engineers don't do half that🤔 analyse and go🙄
Good video 1 question you say you don’t want to clean H/E with Brillo pad, because of metal, what does the M.I say to use? Also you used a metal knife thing to clean in side the pipes, why not metal as long as you flush it out.. thanks and very informative. However my understanding MI are different depending where you are in the UK.
Regarding the expansion vessel check, I’m always cautious that during a service we can open a can of worms. We close the service cocks to drain the appliance and often they start to leak after a certain age. We are then obliged to nip off to find a new one and that’s if we’re lucky enough to find one in stock. If not it means going back and either way it throws out the schedule for the next jobs. I agree it needs checking but I favour the tap it test and listen foe a dull thud or a ping and then monitor the pressure gauge during the fga test and look for a rapid rise. 👍
I agree don't mess with valves on old boilers unless you have to. I would check the pressure gauge to monitor how much it increases when running on heating.
@@RU-vidHero666 although I said obviously, it's my experience that if the charge has been lost then it will still be seen that the pressure increase is to too high.
Derek am I wrong in thinking the flue only has to be cemented on one side? I’m sure I got a gas safe meno saying inside or outside, of course it’s better to do both but only one side needed?
if the flue has a seal on the outside its not going to be a danger but if its sealed on the inside and without the boot on the outside then gasses could get into the cavity. out side only should be enough imo
For a bit of balance most condensing boilers can be serviced in 15min properly to mi spec. I advised new customers there’s like an a and a b service and b service is usually planned and if on an a service I need to strip it I let them know then we take it from there. But ultimately it can be very quick. Especially if your boiler stock is newish
@@elwittinio2865 why not. Negative fan pressure says if it needs stripping or not. If it doesn’t Test burner seal and if ok all that’s left is working pressure analyse it and gas rate it. Quick visual, condense if needed it’s not a complete sequence some bits are missing but it can be quick. Especially if it’s like a year or 2 old
this part l is going too far.no customer will want a new programmer or will want to change radiators ,thermostats valves etc when either having a boiler service or a boiler replacement.im glad im 50 now as ill be out of this lot in a few years.its just getting stupid.
I get what your saying but if it saves the customer money on gas bill then its a win-win situation. It may take a bit of customer education but the economic pinch should be a boost for us gas guys and an opportunity to genuinely help customers. I don't like being mandated to do certain things but I'm definitely all for getting rid of the 'hang any old sht on the wall and run' mentality of some installers in the past!
So is part L including a tightness test for a service? It’s for expansion (noise) apparently possibly to stop them seizing is my personal opinion but valiant say it’s for noise
Is there any reason why a tightness test isn't required on a service? At the end of the day you are having to disconnect a gas pipe to the burner, and a test could show wether or not the valve is passing.
Well ,I’ve just had a British Gas eingineer call to attempt to rectify a recurring flame ignition fault on my combi boiler.when I mentioned your the new regulations as you explained he intimated that there were no new instructions and if there were British Gas would have been in on the forming of them ,consequently as far as I’m aware none of the tests that you outlined were carried out🤔 perhaps you should inform British Gas of these new regs ..............
British gas are a private company out to make as much profit as possible and not comparable to the previous 'gas board' for want of a better phrase, that covered everything from gas transport, meters, gas supply and regulations. They have been notorious for years in the industry for charging a premium price for a service but only carrying out a minimum basic safety check.
If the appliances are working and not affecting the safe operation of other appliances then you would just note it on your service records but obviously if it is affecting appliances then you need to act on it
Great videos as always, very informative. I don’t want to the person but one thing I did notice on that boiler is it appears to be wired in cable and not heat resistant flex? 🤔 am I been over the top?
@@tomkatgastraining Final connections to boilers should be made with flex (Heat resistant if required), because, invariably the connection is made to a hinged, 'drop down' panel. Flat grey cable is for 'fixed wiring' only, and does not provide, or is intended to give flexibility, and would be subject to cracking, long term, through movement.
Nice to see a real service done and not just fga and run. The inhibitor bit is not good though. You should use a PH meter and TDs meter not just blindly through in inhibitors. You’ll end up reducing PH level and your completely ignoring the real issues. Can you dona video on VDI 2035 and incorporate it with the use of inhibitors.?
not just social housing but most big companys i worked for a company that didnt strip down and when i asked do you not take the burner out and clean it.They looked at me funny and said we dont keep the seals on the van 🤔
What I would like to know, apart from the actual cost of the service is .. just what has it cost to carry out this service in terms of consumption, gas, water, electricity and time, and what about the 'carbon footprint' ? It seems to me we are transitioning from the sublime to the ridiculous ... are we just pouring money down the drain? interesting video thank you, even though my boiler days are long gone.
Hi,Derek you did decent job. I wonder how many gas engineer do the same thing as you with their routine job. I appreciate your attitude for the job. I would like to do same thing as you, but where is the decent customer glad to accept my quotation?
I think its important to appreciate that if you get a different engineer in everytime it would be hard to gauge the service history of the boiler.. the service industry is quite a minefield which can really scupper the pricing structure of a service and expectations can be wildly low, in an ideal world an engineer should charge a breakdown service (this is usually once every 5 to 7 years) at an hourly costing plus materials, safety checks (which are yearly) are not services so can be price fixed because nothing is altered or tampered with, or so it used to be before warranties came with extensive terms and conditions, its used to essentially be just an MOT the best idea is to find an engineer you can trust Things to note going forward: Manufactures like to throw spanners in the works by adding on certain criteria onto yearly safety checks especially if warranties are to be adhered to so even safety checks are somewhat of a grey area on how to price now. It would be good to hear other engineers take on the differences of a service and a safety check
Can you explain to every major domestic gas heating company in the uk that their engineers should only be getting 5 or 6 service’s a day dependant on the engineers travel time between each job please, thanks 🙏
Also can you tell them to provide a service kit for every boiler they will be attending for that week in advance and also let them know that you may need extra time for fixing any repairs that might need fixing during the service, thanks, let me know how you get on?!!!….
They don’t care, they all will turn a blind eye to the engineer doing 10 service visits in a day as long as their KPI’s are met. Supervisors/ contract managers will all play dumb when something goes wrong and throw that engineer under a bus. Didn’t Gas Safe say they were going to make things easier for engineers when they took over from Corgi ?? What’s changed to make life easier for us, ZILCH !!
@@cerealkiller4248 Yes and when you don’t make your kpi’s, the management start putting pressure on you and finding faults with your work so they can get rid of you so that they can find someone else who will bend over and take it from behind!!!!…. Makes me sick!!!….
Copper greas is to prevent cracking noise when metal is heating up since heat exchanger and heat engine is two different metals, second thing bud i didn't do let by test. That's what i notice and i only watched first 15min. Also this what u have here is ideal conditions absolutely perfect conditions almost text book setup. Another thing is in shit countries we take out both heat exchangers out put them on descaling pump so both heat exchangers full cleaned. So4 usually used since it's the strongest. And that's normal big service.
hi tom my boiler wont turn on if the trap is full of water it trows out the L1 fault code. But when i empty it. IT comes back on would you be able to tell me what the fault could be Thank You
Don't you think if there where stray voltages as you test for the customer may notice they get an electric shock every time the run the water. Just a thought..... And i'm pretty sure the boiler would not be functioning if the whole case was live and by chance the RCD had not tripped. I could however be wrong, just my thoughts.
Had a boiler a few years ago that when the bracket was installed it nicked the live wire which ran behind the boiler with a screw. I went to service it and got a shock of it and the boiler worked fine.
Brilliant vid as usual Derek. Learned a good deal as usual. Quick question, why do we charge the condense trap before putting back in? I've always done it but truth be told from habit rather than understanding the reasoning?
It stops the poc from just going straight through the trap which can come into the room if you have an air break inside. Also stops damage to the trap 👍🏻
12-14 services in a day? And what about the travel time? And dinner break? I dont think so. As soon as you screw up, its you who's getting sued! As soon as you have to speed around, it's your d/l at risk.
Hi Derek , I don't get only gas rating on hot water and range rated heating . We are told the gas rate should be between 5% over and 10% under at max gas rate so my understanding is you need to do that in high analysis mode, Also how do you know the gas pipe work is not undersized if you are not doing it at max analysis? . The gas rate you are doing is beyond pointless as flow rate and modulated burner gas rate is always going to be variable so the test is meaningless. Your boiler could have had an inlet working pressure below 14mbr and AT Risk but you would never know without seeing the boiler operate at max output .
You have been told all wrong for one the 5% to 10% is just given to trainees because they don’t have engineers judgement so they can say it’s ok or not, also high and low rate is only for flue gas analysing if you look at the benchmark you will see it’s says gas rate and inlet pressure for hot water and central heating not high and low. You need to do the test on heating and hot water to see if there are problems, putting the boiler in high and low mask’s problems. Finally also on the benchmark now it asks if you have range rated the boiler down or left it factor set so how would you know that’s correct if you gas rate in high and low. Like I say in the video you want to know what the boiler is doing not what it can do because most boilers will never make what they can do because of oversizing
I agree . If you have a 30kw boiler range rated to 24kw the gas supply would still need to be adequate for max output and should be checked weather doing landlord certificate or service, If the boiler is range rated down then obviously that would also need checking and as for the 5% and 10% call, valiant are the only company that give this variation in their manuals so simply a allowable tolerance if gas pressures meet the allowable drops from meter to gas valve.
@@geetee50 when you carry out a service you are checking if the appliances are safe to use for a further 12 months and you note down the readings you find and give that information to the customer. Any faults you find you then explain to the customer what you have found . If any faults make an appliance ID or AR then with the customers permission you act on them.
@@michaelhunt848 but what about the benchmark which is the industry standard also manufacturers say gas rate on max hot water and central heating not high and low also what if it’s a non condensing boiler how do you gas rate on high and low then.
True, I always do tightness on my way out. If its anything more than just a service then first and last, there's nothing worse than chasing an old leak once your committed.
Which are customers going to choose, the £40 “service” that takes 20 minutes or the £200 proper job?🤔 Also how do you price a job without knowing the make and model of the boiler, if you need to change seals etc.
Wouldn’t you ask the customer when was the last time you had your boiler serviced and what make and model is it and do you have the instructions before you make arrangements to do it. Also it takes just over an hour so why would it be £200
It shouldn't cost £200 to do it properly. £100 plus VAT would cover it unless you're paying city prices. You can get these stripped and cleaned in an hour.
@@griffithsheating not meany customers will pay £100 plus vat for a service it's just the way it is to meany cowboys out there that would under cut you like it or not its just the way it is and especially with current times when people dont have much cash to spend with the rising cost off living
@@aftermath3127 You don't need a full strip down and seal kit every year. Leave the £40 service monkeys to it and get more clients that value your knowledge and experience. They do exist.
We had a service/breakdown plan with British Gas and their service was 12mins and didn’t even take boiler cover off. How do they get away with this, needless to say have cancelled contract
I had a gas safe inspection 6 months ago and screwed the test nipple in the meter live and apparently you can’t do that because it counts as a live gas escape.! Although the Ecv is right next to meter.🤔 I do it that way to make sure the standing pressure isn’t over 30mbar.
Yeh after speaking to a few inspectors over the years I seam to be loosing respect for gas safe. I wonder what that inspector thinks about purging then🤨
@@davem4131 I've never installed a Worcester boiler, I suppose you would have to allow for that accordingly. Use you own initiative just make sure its safe. 👍🏼
Ive been in the game for 20 years now, and can see it changing allot. Im doing what I can to get out of the trade in all honesty. Find it hard to compete when people run round doing CP12's for £35. What are you charging on average for boiler servicing?
£60 plus seals, £40 if inhibitor needs dosing at the same time. Keep my standards high and explain to the customer what I'm doing so if they do go elsewhere they will see a difference.
@@SloopyDog ha, sorry mate, Liverpool! There's a site where u can find ex BG engineers called find me a local, have a look see if anyone is on there near you, all more than capable of proper strip servicing like in the vid. And more importantly now they work for themselves they have the time!
@@SloopyDog Thanks for that Joe, glad I'm not the only one thinking Insurance offers I keep getting are a con. You only have to read between the lines to see it is basically a "no-tools" service; sure they may have a sniff around with some instrument or other, and cast an eye over the system, but how on earth can that be classed as a service?? Imagine taking your car to the garage for a 20,000 mile service and they did a no-tools job in the same way. Look in the radiator and top it up if necessary, eyeball the brake fluid reservoir to check if up to required level. check the oil dipstick and top up if necessary, top up windscreen washer, sneeze in the tyres, and charge the customer £300. How long would it be before the garage went out of business. Crazy how some services can get away with conning the general public out of their hard earned cash (or at least try). Plus it gives all the honest hardworking engineers a bad name. and lets face it, there are many many good engineers out there.
As said Derek OK in the workshop/ training house / and for a video, but in the real world you get 45 minutes to do any and all to maybe 3 appliances. Gas Safe is fully aware of the real world that paper and plastic gas engineers work that are expected to do at least 6 if not more every working day plus travel working in the local authority world as that is nothing but a numbers game.
Many years ago BG stopped doing “invasive” servicing on boilers, fires and cookers for the the simple reason that 60 (odd) percent of breakdowns were within 6 weeks of a service. Visual inspection and analysis- if its not broken don’t fix it - but now we have to - and not all engineers are the same so you’ll be fixing old appliances that fall apart in your hand.. “Well…you touched it, it was fine this morning”
Yes, I forgot to test a gas fire the other day that I was about to service, as soon as I finished hoovering it out and put it all back together, I tried to light it, of course the slider bar wouldn’t function properly and then the customer blamed me for breaking their obsolete fire, always make sure you tear an appliance before you service it???
Yes Carl, I think we’ve all been there - My moment in time was a Halstead many years ago, just dropped the control panel to check behind ( no hinges obviously) and the copper tube to the pressure gauge fell off through corrosion. Couldn’t isolate it on the boiler valves, bent the tube over - which did s*d all, then let it go through the prv, which then was also goosed. And you couldn’t get a new one love nor money, wanted a new boiler, threatened court action the whole works - gave them £100 and walked away. Sorted my T’s and C’s accordingly (quickly) and never trusted anyone again - that was 15 years ago I reckon.
@@miketurner3964 if the boiler fails that badly then the customer should understand that common sense should prevail, spend money to save money is the answer, some people are just completely fucin stupid!!!
question........ how bad does the corrosion need to be on a meter? before you report it? when it leaks? its a heat paste, you know the nuts are lined with plastic and you already know the heat exchangers vibrates (vaillant group eh), think of when theres an air mixrure is screwed up and you get that whiring sound for a few seconds when you!ve removed the meter and theres air in the line. guess they didn!t make boilers like they used to or maybe they can't. do you remember when they sent theses things out of the factory with rubber seals not the graphite ones? and metal nuts? not lock nuts. have you never gone to service one of them and found a lose nut/ ideals are the same. just service correctly and do all your checks. im guessing it!s a heat paste.!!!! no i don't work for any boiler company. so its all guesswork, thinking about it why dont you phone them record it and ask what it is? save me a phone call:P shouldnt you have put a circle of paste aroung every threaded nut coming out of the heat exchanger? or was that what they changed it to later on? love your uploads.
