@@thekansan8683 I think that all of the ships in the same class do look the same unless they have some refits (like the original USS Enterprise). With the California Class, they do have a color stripe on the Saucer Section to distinguish their function (Yellow - Operations, Blue - Medical and Science, and Red - Admin and Diplomacy). That is in keeping with its type of Starship, basically a workhorse.
@@natemadill2390 From what I understand, although the California Class ships are designated for certain functions, they can be called in to handle other tasks too. As an example, the Cerritos has done tasks that would fall under the purview of Admin and Diplomacy (Red), such as escorting the Diplomats from Betazed. I'm guessing that the ships are equipped based on their primary designated function. A Science and Medical Ship would have more specialized equipment for that function, while an Admin and Diplomacy Ship would have upgraded quarters and more security communications.
Gotta love how Boilmer doesn’t blame the command deck crew for all the shenanigans they get up to but for just how insane the universe they live in constantly throws random curveballs at them that there’s no way to be fully prepared for
I absolutely love this scene. Boimler understands that, per Janeway, "weird is part of the job" and it's often frustrating, but at the end of the day he 100% believes in Starfleet's ideals and trusts the bridge crew to do their job. Amidst the goofy references, it's a heartwarming reconstruction of the Trek universe I adore!
It'd be like blaming the Men in Black for every alien threat they don't know about, or blaming BSAA for every BOW experiment they didn't stop. The universe is a chaotic place, and even Batman doesn't know how respond to every scenario right off the bat. Sure, Mariner and her crew are in an era where people are already rather numb to the whole "bizarro universe full of weirdoes" reality, but even THEY get caught off guard every now and then. They just got really good at adapting, which is the whole point of evolution after all.
Personally, I find this a hilariously textbook example of why Star Trek is such an unpleasant place to live😂. Looking at Ransom, you have to take several courses in zoology to ensure that the attractive lady who isn't rejecting you is actually not either a predatory alien or controlled by one (Cupid Errant Arrow).
@@DeathMessenger1988and even when Batman does plan contingencies for the justice league, they’re general goals of a battle plan. He understands that there is no telling what will come up so he focuses on the parts he can or must control to win.
I love how he knows just random stuff from canon, because let's be honest, any starfleet officer logs that aren't classified to heck and back would be absolutely *amazing* reads.
I don't love it. Them knowing everything that happened in past Star Treks, but not about anything from other starships makes it just a cryingly outright parody of the whole genré. I mean, sure it is a parody, and I don't mind that too much, but a "Cryingly Obvious" parody is just not as much fun. 🙁
They're the flagships. People on there are the best of the best. In a meritocracy like the Federation, that makes them celebs. I know people who know everything there is know about the Kardashians, but they don't know the guy two cubicles over. Makes perfect sense to me. Don't get me wrong, this show is still something of a parody. But this part actually isn't a part of that.
@@stocktonjoans I imagine Picard milked never having to babysit again after a teenager STABBED HIM IN THE CHEST after spending 5 minutes with Wesley Crusher.
@@krisdphillips Nobody else can play Q. Oh, sure, Corbin Bernsen could play Q, Gerrit Graham could play Q2, Suzie Plakson could play Miss Q and Harve Presnell Colonel Q, but nobody else could play Q.
I hope not. That guy probably wiped out a few SPECIES with whatever strain of alien Venereal Disease he spread to whatever planet he hooked up with a female of the dominant species of.
@@Gunganfan Oh come on. Kirk, I'm sure, had Starfleet issued prophylactics and I hear he was quite the ladies man so he probably wrapped it twice to make sure everyone had a good time. (He had a reputation to uphold...)
Not Kirk, his style is clearly more like Picard. Hell, when he had his imagine spot of his own captaincy in season 2 the background immediately turned into the bridge of the Enterprise D.
@@dschehutinefer5627 Ha ha! It's good to think that Boimler pictures himself as Picard on the Enterprise D (E, whatever's next...). I bet Kirk pictured himself on a first-rate ship of the line when he was in the academy. They say he was quite the geek in school, before he graduated. (I should put quotation marks around the word graduated... 😉)
@@cheryal6661 Well, given that canonically Kirk's biggest inspiration was Captain Garth of Izar, who seems to have been more of a maverick wartime commander kicking down the Klingons left and right... well, Kirk probably imagined himself on the USS Ares kicking ass. And why the quotation marks? The original Kirk did a normal, if speedy career through the ranks and wasn't randomly made first officer as a cadet.
....that's an interesting idea....an Ensign trying to grab food after their shift in Tenforward...and seeing some guest to the ship just gorging themselves on salt from the replicator....
The Salt Vampire probably can't consume straight salt, but has to get it from a living organic source in order to get other nutrients as well. Assuming they can consume pure salt is like assuming a human can consume graphite because we're carbon based life forms. Or that we can derive nutrition from grass clippings because plants are part of our diet.
@@noppornwongrassamee8941 If they needed other nutrients, the replicators would be able to provide them. The replicators provide adequate food to a wide variety of species, so there's no reason to assume salt vampires couldn't use them.
@@jasondrake323 He wasn't forgotten, Q just didn't work as well in DS9 as he did in TNG or VOY, he didn't have the right relationship with Sisko as he did with Pickard and Janeway, without that chemistry he wouldn't have been as fun.
@@pouncerlion4022 We still had Q going "yes, you'll be much easier to provoke" but then he never comes back. I just find it odd that it's treated as major accomplishment that Sisko lost restraint.
They likely got resurrected by the Romulan’s or the Dominion or some group of aliens with advanced gene tech in some half-baked scheme to make advanced assassins that can get in enemy facilities undetected. Of course, they probably abandoned it because it didn’t work as well as they’d hoped, but that’s just how things go in any military’s R & D.
@@noppornwongrassamee8941 Nah! That thing I made up based on Salt Vampire extermination missions in Star Trek Online makes more sense. Why would only *one* Salt Vampire bother the only two living settlers on their planet, there would have been a bunch of them fighting over the only source of fresh food.
@@Popcultureguy3000 my point was that there were no other salt vampires on that planet because the rest of the race had long since left it and were wandering the stars among other races. The one on that planet had been alone so long that it thought it was the last of its kind.
I was a bit dubious at first, but this show has completely grown on me. Its doing everything right. Its well written, funny but not forced. It makes brilliant use of canon reference for tipping other iterations, The plots are every bit as whacky as TOS, the visual aesthetic is classic TNG/DS9, and the whole thing feels right. It feels like Star Trek. This show is to the Trek franchise, what Lego Batman is to the Batman franchise. What's not to like? Having John Lancie voicing Q shows a genuine respect for the canon, characters, actors, and the audience. I'm praying for an episode in S02 with a Shatnir voiced Kirk.
Totally reminds me of Red Dwarf, Futurama, Archer 1999 and Galaxy Quest with Family Guy cutaway Trek moments then Robot Chicken Trek skits combined to make this series. That's why I enjoy watching this show so much.
Nothing he said here is wrong or false. In every iteration of Star Trek, situations tend to suddenly go crazy and wrong with no time to warn the lower decks. It's just "Red Alert, hope you don't get sucked out through a hull breach!" And let's be honest, in TNG, Riker kept getting into trouble because of his latest girl of the week before he finally settled on Troi, and 99 times out of 100, the majority of the episode involves figuring out what the heck is going on. Heck, looked at without the haze of nostalgia, every captain was flawed. Kirk was highly racist against Klingons for personal reasons, so much so that the entire movie The Undiscovered Country was kicked off because a Vulcan crewmate heard Kirk making a racist rant in his quarters. Picard tended to stick far too closely to the rules instead of doing what was right which doomed at least one pre-warp civilization. Sisko had his entire "In The Pale Moonlight" episode which speaks for itself. Janeway got her crew literally destroyed multiple times and only got save because Deus Ex Machina happened over and over and over again. The list goes on and on. The captains and bridge crew of Star Trek were never perfect and were never gods. This episode, heck, this entire series is about showing what life is like for ordinary people in Star Trek, having to struggle to survive the bad decisions of the people in charge who, once you've known them long enough to see past the veil of hero-worship, are just as flawed as the people they lead.
This is the best comment I've read about _Lower Decks!_ I just want to say that, in fairness to Kirk, I think I might be racist against Klingons too if one of them killed my son.
@@djackson4657 That's a loaded statement, in that there's no way of defining "True Trek", as it varies wildly from person to person. Is True Trek every episode? Is it just the good episodes? If it aired on television, it's part of Star Trek canon, and that includes the poorly written episodes, the episodes that make no sense, etc. You're like those guys who get angry about Midochlorians from Star Wars: It's canon, direct from the man who created the series itself, but people still get themselves worked into a frothy rage about it because they don't like the idea of it and want to deny its canon status despite the fact that it was part of the lore created by George Lucas himself. Canon is canon is canon, even if you don't like it, and we've seen all throughout Trek that the captain and their crew are often highly flawed people, and that's okay. *Character. Flaws. Are. Important.*
That episode confuses me slightly. Beverly goes to that planet to attend the funeral of "Grandma Crusher," but Crusher was supposed to be the name she took from her late husband. Was Crusher actually Beverly's maiden name and her husband just had the same name by coincidence? Or was Jack Crusher's last name something different and he just took Beverly's last name when he married her?
@@BioGoji-zm5ph TNG Season 7.. they where just throwing stuff out with writing staff trying to handle both S7, the movie Generations, part of them in DS9 and another part starting pre-production of Voyager. Watch Lorerunner review this episode in 12 weeks from now (if he even bothers reviewing the Gambit as a 2-parter)
Y’know I dug Boimler’s speech here. It’s of course great if the characters are at the peak of their potential but that should not mean the characters that are not infalliable or are flawed or not perfect should be looked down upon. Far too often I found that, due to the setup of the shows of the past, the senior staffs of each series were like their own clique who sometimes seemed to look down upon the rest of the crew. Was also great seeing Q again, and thanks to this being animated allowing us to see more even crazy Q illusions that couldn’t be done in the live shows. Boimler talking about some of the parts of Trek I believe some of us would like to forget like The Infinite Vulcan and Sub-Rosa was also great.
@@TheWaterdog6 I wouldn't go that far. References and mythologu gags are not quite the same as Family Guy style non-sequiters. At least in Lower Decks, it's usually relevent to what is being discussed or whatever is going on. Family Guy cut-aways are like things shouted out at improv class. Also, never put it passed a Star Trek fan to remember almost every damn detail.
@@ElPayasoMalo, also, nobody needs to use Google for Star Trek references. Memory Alpha would be a much more comprehensive reference for anything in the franchise.
While some of the other shows have had references to some of the general lore established in the (original) animated series (such as the existence of Caitians, or Kirk’s middle initial standing for “Tiberius”), I believe this mention of “giant Spock on Phylos” is the first reference anywhere in the franchise to the actual narrative details of events of specific episodes in TAS (outside TAS itself, of course).
It was probably the laugh. Of course my memory could be faulty, but I don't recall Delancie burst forth with a guffaw in his live action appearances, but it IS something he's done with Discord time again. looks like John decided to incorporate it with his latest appearance as Q.
I love how the flavor of every star trek show is a little different. This one being comedy works like DS9 being Space West Wing worked. I also love that with each show the audience gets treated to the same universe but viewed through totally different lenses and people. It gives it so many layers and so many things to love. It reminds me a little bit of all the Warhammer 40k novels. Some are these Super Serious Space Marine war epics and some are sprawling mythic tales of the primarchs...and then you have Ciaphus Cain who is a hilarious hot mess. When a fictional universe is weird enough and big enough for the whole spectrum I JUST LOVE IT. ❤
@@davivignola5895 YO CAP, DON'T TRY TO HAVE ANY PRETENSION I'M THE BADDEST EMCEE IN ANY DIMENSION DASH YOUR HOPES IN A FLASH, I'M BETTER THAN THE REST TIME TO PUT HUMANITY'S BEST RHYMES TO THE TEST
@@seamusburke639 OH, DEAR, WHATEVER DO I SEE? IT SEEMS TO BE A Q, BUT I DON'T GIVE A C! OUT HERE IN THE BLACKNESS, RISK IS OUR BUSINESS EVEN WITH YOUR BORG HIVE, YOU CAN'T RESIST US!
@@wkcia OH SURE, HUMANITY, YOU NEVER FRET ABOUT THE BORG - SAY, YOU DEFEATED THEM YET? AND WHAT ABOUT THE ROMULANS? THE PAKLEDS? THE KLINGONS? YOU ASK ME, YOU CAN'T TELL YOUR PHOTONS FROM YOUR NEUTRONS
As an unrepentant TOS fan, I must say that Kirk DID often take the time to address the crew through the PA system of the ship. Of the top of my head I can mention Balance ofTerror, but there were other times. I think Immunity syndrome? Carbonite Maneuver?
But that tended to be for operations that involved the entire ship. The mission in Veritas only involved the senior officers, the lower decks, and a few more for the black ops teams.
There's really only so much of that that you can do, especially given how quickly reality throws absolute insanity at starfleet ships sometimes. Sometimes, the best you can do is improv your ass off, then when you get a chance write up a quick briefing on what the *fuck* just happened to pass around to the crew.
I remember he addressing the crew in S1 Balance of Terror, and S2 Immunity Syndrome (although I won't swear the speech I'm thinking about happened on that last one. It wen like this - things are bad, but we have a ship as good as any other, and the best crew in the fleet. We'll pull through). It wasn't in every episode, or even most of them, but enough, I think.
First, this can totally happen IRL, we've had people in the USN come up the wrong pier and gangplank. Second, she'd never have made it to the bridge as the first person to meet her onboard should have challenged her for identification.
@@tbotalpha8133 And, don't forget, humans are _not_ her species. She should not be as good at telling them apart as any of us could tell two similar breeds of dogs or cats or chimpanzees. (# Quantum Leap episode - The Wrong Stuff).
He may be a great many things, but he does tell the truth whenever possible. Now if he would relax just a little bit, he might get promoted one of these days.
He's honestly always been a good character, even with how annoying he can be, because he represents the hardcore fans in this series, the ones who are so obsessed with Trek that they memorize all the lore, the rules and regulations, ships, etc.
@@jish55 Personally, I've never found Boimler annoying. I've found Mariner annoying, though, with that lecture she gave to that one guy before he entered the monster fight in the arena (I forget his name; the guy who stabbed her after the lecture), and how in the first episode she says the lines "I am always right" and "[I'm] better than you in every way." She's got a really grating attitude problem at times.
I mean there’s nothing wrong with idolization in it of itself, if they are meant to be something to strive for or look up to. I believe what some are doing is more along the lines of “worshipping” as if Starfleet and the franchise are perfect. If 50+ years of Star Trek has shown us anything, it’s that it and Starfleet are NOT perfect.
You say that like it was never adressed in the show, do you realize that they go through trainning for exacly that, right? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VMG-2izqpMM.html
That depend on the class I mean Defiant-class look way diffent but I suppose that Ambassador-class and Excelsior-class look similar but most ship classes follow saucer section and engineering section
@@Groza_Dallocort i mean, its also that there are multiple galaxy classes; multiple Defiant classes, etc theyre ship classes, they get mass produced that being said; youd think with something as resource-intensive as a spaceship; there would be MORE subclasses/retrofits making different ships within the same class look different, considering so many upgrades (such as engines, sensor systems, life support, shielding, etc) could very well require tearing apart the whole ship for a rebuild; so ships within the same class would rarely be rocking identical hardware but meh.
@@ObviouslyNotXenrek what you are saying sounds a bit wierd sure there have been multiple galaxy classes but they do follow the same design more or less. Sure during the Dominon war alot of Starfleet ships left the shipyard without extensive science labs since they needed them for battle not science so if you skip a few things that aint needed for battle you can hurry up production. But lets say the Galaxy class 12/14 phaser arrays and 2 torpedo launchers I would say that is what coming out from the shipyards
Huh. Y'know, in WW2, when shipyards were churning out some ship classes in as little as a week, I wonder how many times some confused draftee misread their orders and boarded DD-123 instead of DD-122 (or whatever they were called)?
I cracked up with Dr. t’Ana was on the wrong ship. “Captain, we might be in a parallel dimension!” “And you are?” “Wait, is this not the Cerritos?!” “This it the Alhambra! Did you get on the wrong ship?!” “F*** me! They all look the same!!”
I think its because TNG crew is the flagship crew. Everyone in starfleet hears about their shenanigans because they use them for morale, while DS9 is pretty lowkey (except for the dominion war, but even then, you wouldn't hear about their personality, just that sisko exists)
Because the writers of Lower Decks probably have never even seen DS9. If you've noticed all of the pointless references are usually TNG or TOS. The writers absorbed Star Trek by osmosis not by being long time fans.
Honestly... now that they mentioned it... it makes sense that Q would test multiple humans, especially Multiple Starfleet officers, on multiple starships and locations, to gauge the true quality of humanity...and he can be everywhere at once sooo....
@@AlexSeverinski True. But this is a show set in that IP's world albeit loosely, and is a cartoon... it's not meant to be a proper take on Trek. If you learn to let that go, you may enjoy it
@@MedalionDS9 It's called using your same logic and words. But PLEASE, there is a soap box right here. Explain to me how just dropping references of better shows to shamelessly appeal to old trek fans is fun?
“Did Dr. Crusher know about that ghost in the lamp thing from the Scottish planet that she hooked up with that one time, that whole thing?” Pretty sure they just directly transcribed the writers ranting lol 😆😆😆
In order to truly parody something right, you must know the lore inside-out to gain access to all the material the source material provides, and you have to observe it keenly to really take advantage of everything. That sort of keen observation has to have love and respect even when you're spoofing it. In other words to really parody something, you have to really respect the material enough to learn it and stick to it and in some ways love it. That's why this show takes canon much more seriously than Discovery or Picard. This is a labor of love from Trek fans. The others are just trying to cash in on the franchise name for $$$.
Okay, credit where credit is due, that is an AMAZING scene for Boimler. Pilot ep didn’t leave me with a good impression but if this is what I have to look forward to, maybe I need to give Lower Decks another shot.
What is funny is everybody talking down the show runners which come over from Rick and Morty. That got me to watch Rick and Morty and I see why now. R&M is more Star Trek than DS9, or Enterprise ever was. The creators of R&M use Dr. Who and the original Star Trek and other high sci fi as a major influences in R&M stories and have learned to not give in to fan service for lore creation fans which nearly killed Star Trek, and Dr. Who, and has killed the Star Wars franchise.
@@jackhowe6 I'd heard that there was no firm consensus on whether "Star Trek: The Animated Series" was considered canon, although some elements (like the episode "Yesteryear" have been considered canon). I hadn't heard that Gene Roddenberry had declared it canon.
Though O’Brien was the highest non-commissioned rank in starfleet if I recall. Plus he doesn’t seem to actively seek a commissioned rank and given his achievements and quality of service I doubt that Maxwell, Picard or Sisko wouldn’t have recommended him for a commission if he sought one. O’Brien seems to be content with being A leader but doesn’t want to be THE leader if that makes sense.
O’Brien said that he was perfectly fine with being an enlisted man and didn’t want all the stuffy formality of being an officer. A lot of noncoms in real-world militaries are like that.
O’Brien never wanted a commission - he’s perfectly content being an enlisted man. And his higher level enlisted rank didn’t impede him from becoming Chief of Operations of DS9. That having been said, your point does make sense where Harry Kim was concerned. He should’ve been promoted during the fifth season, but Berman drew the line at that - which was stupid. I would’ve promoted Kim to Lieutenant JG, and promoted Paris to Full Lieutenant. That way, you still have Kim is the lowest ranking officer, but no longer an Ensign.
Normally I'd be annoyed at how meta this is, but honestly... one of my biggest complaints about Next Gen was that nobody started to get self-aware about the insane BS they're constantly running into.
Boimler just said something, that the vast majority of the fandom of Star Trek don't want to be true. Star Trek is no power fantasy, and StarFleet and the Federations aren't perfect. Sure we should strive to be like them, but we must not be blind to the many mistakes of the Federation.
wait the suggestion of Q harrasing everyone at starfleet implys he never wants to kill humans and implys that you are supposed to get rewards for passing his games like data laughing and more optimal flightpaths for janeway
One answer: Someone got it wrong and there were more salt vampires. It's much like in "Legion of Super-Heroes" where over the course of a 1,000 years some of the written events were wrong. Post-Crisis, in the 30th Century history said that Superman started his career as a Superboy, but actually he started his career as a young adult as Superman.
“Did crusher know about that one ghost in the lamp thing from that Scottish planet? That whole thing?” Dude I just watched that episode a week ago WTF??
Not necessarily more, but every bit as much. The cynic in me expected a studio cash cow, and this is clearly not that. And despite it's initial issues in S01+2, this season of Discovery has established itself as a the worthy iteration it always promised to be. Star Trek is just getting better and better all the time.
@@nodiggity9472 That's pretty delusional. Red letter media even mocked the "I love science" think tank scene from the season 2 cliff hanger. And since they lost the rights to ST they killed the federation in season 3 and try to be gritty and edgy like a teenager. Nobody but hype shills even watch either show. Why else would they use some generic animation that has to throw references in to stay relevant? Even Family Guy bits were better than this and they openly mocked it.
As a non Star Trek fan i find this very refreshing because I think the bridge crew is always a collection of fuck ups. From bests to worse. Voyager - Ds9 but’s still collection of fuck ups.
Heck I remember seeing a series of comics about O'Brian having no idea what's going on. He just stands in Transporter Room 3 when suddenly someone tells him to beam someone up. But how would he know? He doesn't have a monitor to watch what is going on or even a twitter to follow the senior staff. I think the thing is that while the senior officers seem like perfect beings they are just more experienced so seem that way to the average 21st century knuckle dragger. It's just that their characters need to be larger then life so the audience can be more excited about what's happening and they can play out larger moral dilemmas. The Orville does a great job of making the whole crew seem much more relatable.
The writers of LD have 100x more knowledge of trek than anyone working on disco or Picard. Pretty sad when the parody animated cartoon does more justice to trek than its 2 new main shows.
One of the things a lot of the people dunking on LD tend to forget is that parodies usually come from a place of fandom and love. You can't make parody without an appreciation of the source material.
@@johnmccarron7066 I don't think "Lower Decks" is a parody. It's just a humorous take on "Star Trek", showing the parts of Starfleet that we normally don't get to see.
I wish this episode went further. Instead of having the cadets complain about their superiors' quirks or recklessness, have them mention real flaws in how they handle missions. Most Starfleet captains have allowed entire civilizations to suffer pointlessly all in the name of the almighty Prime Directive; and worst, a couple even felt proud of it. Reveal a cadet disobeyed their captain by giving the dying aliens life-saving medicine despite them not having warp tech. It'd be a good way to retcon some of the uglier past episodes.
But that would be what a Star Trek show does. And this isn't a Star Trek show. It's a show that has Star Trek in its title. And yes, there is a difference.
I guess there are also the USS Encinitas, USS St. Helena, USS Carson, USS Chino, USS Beverly Hills, USS Corte Madera, USS Costa Mesa, USS Danville (yes there is actually a town called Danville in California), USS Del Mar, USS Dos Palos, USS Dixon, USS Desert Hot Springs, USS Diamond Bar, USS Dorris, USS Downey, USS El Monte, USS Escalon, USS Encinitas, USS Farmersville and the USS Paramount
Man, what a bunch of salty sad comments from people that im sure have not even seen the show. Its like watching star wars rebels videos all over again...
TAS was officially announced to be part of the canon when startrek.com published their official timeline explanation sheet. The Kzinti were also mentioned by Riker in PIC "Nepenthe", despite appearing only in TAS before.
The point isn't that it's their fault, the point Boimler was trying to make is that they had no idea what the hell they were doing this refuting the idea that the bridge crew is infallible.
Anyone else notice that the planet K'Tuevon prime, as seen at the very start of the episode, is literally just Earth turned about 100 degrees counter clockwise and tinted red?
