Hi del you saved me today got asked to go to job in knightsbridge today and fit door furniture on high quality polished panel doors worth fortunes one slip and run bolt through high end handles had gig i bought on eBay but i didn’t fit lockes etc so couldn’t trust them to be square to door edge then remembered your video brilliant simple worked perfectly been in game now 50 years and still learning any youngsters i meet who are coming into our trade I always tell them if you get stuck with anything go on your channel I know you and i both think its very important to pass on our knowledge sorry gone on a bit but i do a lot of cut roofs in north London and saw dans roofing jig but im left handed and wondered if it would suit me thanks
Hi Terry🖐Great comment and appreciate your kind words🤗I always think the way I'm doing something, (and may well been for many years), is only temporary, until someone shows me a better way👍And when that day comes, it's always exciting now matter how long we've been at it🤓 I'm not sure about Dan's square and being a leftie, and perhaps you can reach out to him on Instagram for his advice👊Thanks again😎Cheers Del
Omg thank you so so much for this. Been losing my mind trying to replace a handle when the new handle came with zero instructions or any of the hardware labeled. Thank you.
Thank you so much for sharing this video, was battling with handles without fitting instructions or a template, made myself and jig and have been much less sweary. Thank you so much.
That's made me so happy to see this jig mate. I've struggled this morning with one privercey set out of alinement thank you so much can't belive I'm looking forward to my next one next week been a a apprentice since 1978 haha still learning. Thanks so much Mate
Hi Mark😎 I know exactly how you feel bud, as I hated doing bolt through handles until I made this little jig👊 Thanks for your super comment and great to have a fellow tradesmen watching my video🤩 Cheers Del
A handy tip for cutting down machine screws, put then into the combi drill chuck at the desired length, hold the hacksaw against the end of chuck and spin the drill anti clockwise.
That's a great tip, thank you. I've struggled with drilling accurate holes for these handles in the past, and have also seen so many customers where the long screws have been left of then the small trim screws fail and ruin the door. I have 11 doors to do in a house soon so. 👍🏻
You're spot there Eric.😃 In many cases, these bolt through screws get left off in favour, as you say, for just the tiny wood screws, and these are not really up to the job.😬 Great comment.👍
Just fitted the same handles and latch to same doors but without the aid of your video I didn't think I could fit the outer through bolt as I thought it would go through the latch. I can now go back tomorrow and complete the job. And as I have four more doors to fit I will make a jig. Many thanks for the video.
Hi John. Its satisfying for me that my video has helped you out, and its the main reason I post them up😁Thanks for watching and all the best finishing your doors😎Cheers Del
Thank you so much. I was about to buy a really expensive Ryobi/Dewalt jig. Not only would the hole have been too big, I would have wasted £40 - 50! You’ve saved me! Happy days!
Just fitted 7 bang same doors & the identical handle and your "fishing 🎣" analogy is bang on 🤣 I had 2 bathroom locks with thumb turns so was twice the flustrasion 😡 trying to get the through bots to line up spent far too long messing around with them. Great video 👍 thanks for the great tip.
Hi Rob. The thumb turns are awful to line up. Even slightly out and makes it hard to turn.😬 Yeah, sometimes you can be, 'fishing', around for ages trying to get the screws lined up.😝 Great comment mate, now get yourself a beer.🍻 Cheers
Apologies for my inconsiderate timing sammcm91.😂 These are Ironmongery Direct handles and latches and they are decent quality.😎 Thanks for your comment.👍
Great video. Some electricians linesman’s pliers have integrated bolt cutters for shortening machine screws. We use them when fitting pattress boxes/ light switches/plug switches. The screw screws in and is cut with the action of the plier, you then screw the screw out which maintains the screw thread. This would save you so much time with guess work and filing down post cut. Thanks for a great video, I’ve got some door handles to fit and your channel has been so useful.
Hi Liam🖐Thanks for the heads up on those pliers bud, Ill definitely look into them👊I'm glad my videos are helpful and thanks for watching and your great comment😎Cheers Del
@@darrenroche9225 Couldn't even imagine what it would have been like in the 80,s if everyone and anyone could have filmed themselves🤪 My youth was awesome in my memory and keeps getting better. I would hate to spoil those memories with actual video evidence of how it really was!!!!. 🤯 Cheers.
I'd say you were lucky thus time, I went fishing for half an hour on my last handle. Success came when I switched sides for some reason, and fished from the left instead of the right
That’s brilliant - haven’t fitted bolt-through handles before so came across your video really just to see how they worked, this video is so much more than that. Clever idea with the jig, superb! Thank you for sharing 👍
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Previous attempts measuring and levelling from the door edge have been, erm, interesting particularly with 3 year old 'helpers'.... This made it so much easier and quicker!
Hi QuickDraw🖐 Glad you've found the tip useful, you'll just have explain to your helper how to use it, VERY slowly using big shapes and bright colours🤪 Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
That's a great little jig. Another good idea to speed up lining up the pesky screws is to push a straw in hole first so it acts as sleeve. I'm definitely keeping a few straws in my box now.
Great idea.😎 Trouble is, the old plastic straws are getting harder to find nowadays, as apparently, someone's been chucking them in the sea, so we now have to use big chunky cardboard ones.😁 Great comment.👍
wish i'd have seen this a few weeks ago. I am a complete novice. I have 17 doors to hang in my house, i made a hinge jig, a lock jig, but for some unknown reason ( in hindsight) i was freestyling this like a fool! thankfully i have only done 5 doors so far.
Hi Xan🖐You're house must be massive😆Sounds like you're doing a good job and hopefully using a jig for the handles will help🤞Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Watching your videos like Coronation street at the minute loving the detail. Im a time served joiner learning lots from the extra tips from the detail your giving. Great stuff. Fancy making myself a trusty set of old school saw horses like you have there. Would love a video of them old school bad boys. 👍🏻
Hi Ben🖐I hope you don't get fed up of my voice😵Appreciate you watching my stuff and I may well make a new set of saw horses, which I will, obviously, video👊Thanks for your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
Hi James. My videos are sort of aimed at guys like you mate.👊I'm hoping that, as my channel builds, I can pass on many of the little, (and big), bits of knowledge that I have accumulated over the past 35 years as a carpenter.😎 Cheers.
Hi RC. Thanks for your comment.🤩 I know everyone has different ways and opinions, but I don't think those little screws are enough on their own to withstand the large leverage forces put on rose/fixing plate if the handle is over turned, so I always fit them bolt through.😎 Thanks for your comment mate.👍
There's a way without having to feel around with the screw. With the handle off and the spindle in one handle, put the long screws in the door handle holes and thread both the metal rods on about 3 or 4 turns. Now you can just push that handle and the 2 rods all the way through to the other side, with enough to make the ends of the rods poke out the 2 holes on the other side. At least on my door the rods could poke out, they taper slightly thinner at the ends. This way there isn't any feeling around for the hole inside the door - the rod is there poking out - you can just put the short screws in the other handle and be able to see the ends get screwed in.
That jig idea is so sleek that you could just drill the screw dia one side of door and the drill barrel dia hole other side...but useful tips from video and all comments...Thank you
Hi Del. Right video this time. So use a jig to get through bolts. But then you get this sort of nonsense. You have done the holes square, put the handle level(square to the door) but now the bloody holes in the handle are not in the square position, they are cocked over a d you have a right job to get the handle right.
Great idea. Will make one for my remaining doors. The only problem I had was spindle hole size as I commented in previous vid. I opted for 19mm instead of 20mm recommend but when the bolts were nipped up circlip and washer on the back of the rose protrudes and binds. I ended up running a burr around the spindle hole to accommodate the circlip. I doubt the 20mm recommended would have cleared it. Thanks again👍
Hi RG🖐Yes, sometimes the circling and handle boss to protrude proud of the back of the backplate, and I usually just pair around the hoke a bit to accommodate it👊Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter oh thanks Del...thought I was going mad. I will be prepared on the next ones. Had considered a 22mm forstener bit first, then drilling spindle to 19mm, but a Stanley blade may do nicely without overcomplicating. 😆 You make it look too easy 😎👍
Good vid!.. I do the same technique.. although I made a jig out of MDF with the same 40mm holes and bolt hole it wraps around both sides of the door and has the non slip car mats on the inside and I clamp them in place.. great minds!
Hi Craig. I did make an elaborate jig just as you describe, and it was perfect. Unfortunately I left it on a job, and by the time I returned to pick it up, the labourer had had a clear up and burnt it.🤬I couldn't be arsed to make a new one, (as it was made out of laminate floor offcuts), so I just made this ply one instead.👊 Thanks for watching and your great comment.👍
@@thetallcarpenter and I get to have a play with my relatively new trend skeleton jig and my new robin clevett jig. I should be paying them for tomorrow!
There it is great job lol. Lucky you got them in the rite place first time... coz they can be a rite pain in the hole at times. Love the gig must make one of them up for myself.... all the best big man
Hi Boots. 👋 Yeah, you're absolutely right, they are a nightmare if the fixing holes don't line up 😵 Thanks for watching and your great comment 😎 Cheers.
@@thetallcarpenter they're always great to watch and to pick up some tips, in my view as Carpenter we're always learning from each other. Amazes me of the tips we can pick up after doing something the hard way for years lol. But yep, keep the videos coming. Appreciate them. Cheers from Australia.
@@bartbug1 You're so right mate. The more we interact with each other the more knowledge gets transferred. Great to have you watching from down under.🤩 Cheers.
Hi Andrew. Videoing that was pretty straight forward.🤩 Most of what I cut out is either me waffling on too much or someone barging in or shouting swear words.🤬 Cheers.
I like your simple, easy to understand videos, and your non-condescending attitude to us viewers. I have a question though - when it comes to fitting the handles, couldn't you just attach the handles to the spindles, then attach them to the door by the three screws, THEN mark and drill the two bolt-through holes (from one side if one is careful not to break out the other side), remove the 3 screws and then fit the two bolts, then screw the three screws back to finish up the handle? Or am I being dumb? I am a DIY'er with a little experience, and I have 8 of these exact doors to fit, with corresponding bolt-through handles almost identical to the ones you fitted, so am somewhat apprehensive. Also, what size auger would you suggest for the spindle and and mechnism, and could I use a spade bit instead of an auger bit? Oh yeah, I've subscribed! Cheers.
Hi there🖐You could mark the holes for the through bolt's as you describe, but I'd definitely drill in from each side as the bolt holes are VERY close to the edge of the back plate rose. Check outmy video on fitting these latches, and the drill sizes are in the comments section👍Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I get what you're saying, and can understand the risk of drilling through and having the holes on the other side come through outside of the rose. I think therefore a jig, like you have made, will be the best method, as then drilling through both sides should ensure the holes are in alignment. I hope.
On point as usual, always nice to see a job well done. Cute workbench btw, clearly sees aome real use. I'm one of those cowboys who still locates on the mechanism/faceplate.
Excellent content. Fitting with non-connecting screws should be illegal imo. Atleast the handles should only be sold with connecting bolts. I recently got locked in through that, but luckily there was no emergency Tell me if you agree
Hi James🖐I hadn't really thought about it bud, but you have got a point, and a handle coming off, as you found out, could easily lead to you getting stuck in a room😩Yes, you're also right that maybe all handles should clamp to the spindle, especially on fire doors etc🤔Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
That looked a lot easier than when I did it 😂😂 Are you able to tell me how you managed to get square through bolt to sit "square" in the jig? many thanks, great video
Hi there🖐The round hole in the jig is quite tight for the square spindle to fit through, and this keeps it pretty square when lining the jig up. There is a certain amount of tolerance to be expected which is why I drill the holes for the bolts slightly bigger than then need to be👍Cheers Del
I had a hell of a job lining the screws up... couldn't find the female end with the bolt... finicky work! I ended up with stub screws on one door instead! Retirement on the cards!🤣
It's a fiddly old job lining those bolts up Andrew😩Sometimes you can one that seems to take forever😲Thanks for watching and happy retirement😆Cheers Del
Lovely job. What latches would suit a 1939 door for bolt-through handles 38mm apart? I used one I picked up and mangled the first door fitting it. Old latches were quite shallow so I would prefer a small/shallow one. .
Hi Lynda🖐Sorry, bit it's virtually impossible for me to advise what handles would suit your application without seeing what you already have🤔Cheers Del
Love your videos so helpful am doing my Apprenticeship however not with w carpentry firm so am having to teach myself at home so your videos are literally teaching me all the things I need to know was wondering if you could door a door latches installation video
Hi there. Sorry to hear that you are not working on a firm to do your apprenticeship. I did a latch fitting video on these very doors, but, due to me being a beginner at film making, I lost some of the footage, so couldn't complete it.😬 It wont be that long before I start on the next plot, and there will be door lining and latch fitting videos from that.👍 I am aware that there is many guys in your situation, which is mainly why I am posting videos of my work.😎 Well done mate.
Great idea , but iv fucked around with them bolts longer than it takes to swing the door they don’t even screw in when there in your hands so they go in the bin😂 great vid mate 👍
Hi there. To be fair, these are good quality handles and the machined screws are very good.😎 BUT, I agree with you about the length of time you can mess about with the poorer quality ones, and it can infuriating trying to fit them.🤬 Thanks for your comment.👍
If the doors solid wood I don't use them wood screws only if the door is veneer over chipcboard I always use them no matter what or you would have a slack Handel in a short space of time
I'm struggling with the bolts, preexisting holes every 18 months I'm fiddling about trying to fix handles hanging off the door with tiny screws. I bought new latches in order to fix back to back bolts but the handles line up with the holes making it difficult to get a screwdriver in.
Great Video. Thank you for taking the time to make the video. I have few silly questions that I want to ask 😂 is the door a hollow door or is it solid? I have hollow door that I need to put handles on it. Similar to yours but worried that it won't hold it. And second question is what drill size do you use to make the holes? Once again thank you 🙂
Hi Tazul 🖐 These doors are solid core, but even hollow core doors will have a fairly decent sized lock block in the the edge which will be solid timber and easily take a bolt through latch👊From memory, I think I am using a 4.5mm drill bit for the bolt though bolts, but do use a drill that suite the particular bolt size as they can differ in diameter👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Hi Jim. Fortunately, as these were on a tubular latch, the screws positions in the handle rose actually miss the latch body.👍 I did have to file a tiny bit of the end of the screw for the bathroom lock though.😉 Great comment.👍
Yeah this caught me out too. Gave up on the bolts as wasn’t bothered cutting down after all of the faffing around to try line them up. Moved onto the screws instead and once fully tightened the latch stuck and lock wouldn’t come out…took me a minute to realise the bloody screws were too long also. Wish I’d watched this video and read this comment before I started 😂
Almost all caught up with all the vids. Ive actually been noting all the tips. Really Ace channel! will you consider putting up a link to send some tea bags your way
Hi Jazz🖐In my experience, just securing these lever on rose handles with screws handles only, can lead to them twisting when to the lever is turned👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter I love a jig mate. I made one for to adapt the souber door latch jig to enable me to fit concealed door latches, and when something works, it’s a good feeling. The very best jigs are the ones you make in minutes that save you hours. Lovely job bud!!!
Have you had the handle where the rose won't go past the handle! What a bloody pain especially when the spindle to hole locations weren't accurate enough for template/jig. Had to cut a pencil to 18mm long and hold with a pair of pliers. It was crazy. Took soooo long.😖 Ironmongery and materials my biggest bugbear for the last decade.
Hi Benjamin. YES, that and all sorts of issues due to poorly made ironmongery.😩 When I work for developers now, they always get better quality stuff for me now, as its quicker to fit, works better, looks better and lasts longer that cheaper, contractors stuff.👊 No matter what stuff you have though, sometimes one of these latches/locks/handles/privacy knobs, just seems to take miles longer than the rest cause you just cant get it to, 'click'.😣 Cheers.
@@TYLERCONSTRUCTION Well done Tyler. It takes a lot of balls to make and post videos, and especially if you have challenges that don't make it straightforward.👍
Iv always wandered why they dont alternate the hole position on the handles on each side so you could put thicker screw in door as you can only put a screw half thickness of door sondont hit other side screw. Ive got young kids and they nearly hanf off the door handles and have to keep tightening at times
@@thetallcarpenter ah, thank you for your reply! I'm just looking for something that's easier than the very old fashioned hammer and chisel XD do you know of any tools like that?
@@skywolfx76 Hi there. I don't know of anything that might replace a hammer and chisel for this other than a router, which could take the bulk of the material out, leaving the rest to be tidied up by hand tools🔨👍Cheers Del
Great minds Benjamin.😉 The rubber is gasket material I use for fixing glass balustrading in stair construction which I just contact glued onto the ply. You could even use kitchen door buffers as the are pretty, 'non slippy'.😎 Cheers. (saw horses rule👊)
Not a stupid question Ray.🤩 The latches and locks that are to be used with this handles have holes in their bodies to allow the screws/bolts to pass through them. They are known as, 'bolt through', latches/locks. They provide a better fixing for the handles, particularly when they are on a circular back plate.👍 Cheers.
Thanks for a speedy reply 👍🏻 love your steady approach and the carport build was fantastic. Keep them coming as my son loves watching as well. He’s a first year carpentry student at tech and is only allowed to use hand tools so he’s learning the trade ground up.👍🏻
@@raysmith6891 Hi Ray. If my videos are helping your lad, then that makes me feel really good, as its the main reason I'm making the videos.🤩 What's his name?
Hi Lisa🖐It's a tricky one to advise without seeing what you've got😬If tge screws are sloppy in the holes, you will need to try and fill them with some small bits of wood and matchsticks can be good👍Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter hi del,thankyou for your response,in order to use the handles with the through bolts,could you tell me which latches I should be using?thanks….