We all know the BAR was the weapon of their choice. The Thompson was just gathered up with other firearms and never used. Waste of $130,000 with no documentation it was shot during their spree.
I said a bra I met a bar military rifle but yes you are absolutely right Clyde never had a Tommy gun, who ever bought that just got took and they said they got ambushed in Kentucky...lol must be a different Bonnie and Clyde then the ones that went down in history.
@Packman Well no matter what you think they never had a Tommy gun they only had the bar's that they stole from a military building and that is the way it was and neither was they ambushed and killed in Kentucky it was Gippsland Louisiana. They where never in Kentucky...lol
Auctions are notorious for fake items and misinformation..... many believe they do research and validate items...NOT. They sell items. The more the price the more % they make.
@@stephensmith4480 From "Consider the Source" He created the 'Whippet Gun', so called because you could just "whip it out" when nobody knew you had it. He took a BAR, cut down the stock, sawed off the barrel to about sixteen inches, and screwed a leather sling to the back of the stock.
Bonnie Elizabeth Parker and Clyde Champion Barrow was ambushed at 9:15 AM on Wednesday, 23rd of May 1934 in Bienville Parish, Louisana... NOT Kentucky, how they could get that wrong is beyond me. I wouldn't spend that much money on a gun if they gave me grossly incorrect information like that.
It's funny, but Clyde was noted back then for being "religious" for keeping appointments and always being on time!!! This was such a critical factor in the ambush that, even though the men had spent hours before the ambush, when Clyde was supposed to go to Methvin's farm at 9:00 AM , they CONSIDERED giving up the ambush as a failure because CLYDE WAS 15 MINUTES LATE!!!! His car was just then heard in the distance, identified by the higher RPM sound of a rare V-8 engine that was likely to be Clyde. THEY THOUGHT 15 MINUTES LATE WAS TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR CLYDE, AND WERE GOING TO WRITE HIM OFF AS A "NO-SHOW"!!! That was how solid Clyde's reputation for punctuality was!!
@@junkdeal it was also believed Clyde had a 6th sense about danger. Often times he would pull a u-turn on a road, and sure enough there had been lawmwn laying in wait for him!! He,like many other criminals were finally caught and killed due to betrayal by a trusted friend!!
His middle name was chestnut because he looked like one when he was born. Champion is not his middle name and his family members never understood how he ever signed his name that way. I say Bonnie being Bonnie did that. Clyde was not very literate.
None of this passes the smell test. Someone got taken. Note at 00:52 he says "believed to have been owned" by Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker. The fact is, when they were killed in Louisiana in 1934 a number of weapons were recovered from their car which included Browning Automatic Rifles (BARs), sawed-off shotguns and Colt .45 autos. Not one Thompson was recovered. And if the auction operators claim the Thompson was owned by them and left somewhere, you would think they would have something to back that up other than a hearsay story and the words "believed to have been owned."
There's only one chance in hell Clyde ever laid hands on that gun, let alone any "Tommy"; very early in their career, Clyde, Ray Hamilton, and a couple other guys went to an "underground" gun dealer in Cahokia, Illinois, and were absolutely ripped off by this guy, because all the guns they picked up were non-functional, missing internal parts, or were just junk, and one was a Thompson. This may have been the only one of those Clyde ever saw. They were expensive to buy, Clyde robbed armories and other venues and never encountered this type of gun. Military rifles like BARs were what he went after, by choice, it is thought, or by chance, it is possible. All major works on Clyde follow these historical 'knowns" and never ever mention "tommy guns" in relation to Clyde' career. Many interesting facts are known, and the public seems to know nothing about them! Like how more than once the Hamer group stalking Clyde's circuit which had been figured out, actually saw him in traffic more than once and couldn't act. Hinton was going to actually run his car over in an ambush with an over-sized Euclid-type off-road quarry truck but traffic then was heavy and he didn't so it, even though Clyde drove by! Dallas cops knew Clyde regularly visited family, but their monetary budget didn't allow for them to stake out likely spots, and Hinton himself said they knew this would have probably worked early on. It was thought that Clyde had maybe $12,000 dollars in a case when he was killed that was a payout for Clyde to spring a murdering drug dealer out of some county lockup while waiting for a capital-murder trial. Prentiss Oakley bought an auction house after the ambush in Gibsland and it's thought this came from the ambush. Clyde had met his dad and worked on a land purchase for his dad, and this was the most money Clyde had ever made. The biggest haul Clyde was ever thought to have actually made through robberies was about $1,300. In spite of accounts that may not be accurate, he was not successful in this way. The best he did was when he was connected to Raymond Hamilton, who was far more seasoned in this work!
From everything I ve ever read on Bonnie & Clyde they never used a Thompson Sub Machine gun. They used Hand guns, shotguns and finally Browning Automatic rifles.
They did, well clyde did, I don't know if Bonnie did, it shows it in one of the movies when there in that hideout, clyde has a Tommy gun, if u don't believe me, look up the movie, watch it and you'll see
That's right!!! They never did! They broke into armories and tried to get military weapons! There is one crazy exception! At the beginning of the criminal reign, Clyde, Ray Hamilton and a couple of other guys made a trip to Cahokia, Illinois to meet a gun dealer. Some guy Hamilton knew. This guy totally ripped off the gang members by selling them non-functional junk weapons! One was a Tommy-gun without several critical parts! So it is quite possible Clyde never fired one! I really wonder where these guys ever got the info on this Tommy-gun! Bonnie died with a sandwich in her hand. No Tommy-gun ever was removed from the death car!!
@@Wvcountrykid : Seriously, A movie???, nope, historical documents prove that Bonnie and Clyde were never tied to any Thompson's, most of their weapons were stolen from an armory The Browning Automatic Rifle was their weapon of choice.
If I’m paying that much for a gun, it better have proof of ownership and the freaking thing better not be cut up to make inoperable. That’s a pre86 machine gun and completely legal to own with proper paperwork
your right Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow were just people.... but calling them everyday people is degrading a lot of people... they were anything but.... they were special but in the wrong way.... they were not famous rather infamous..... and because they were infamous and the guns they owned became part of history... so to a collector you can have another Thompson Sub Machine Gun aka Tommy-Gun but you can't have the one owned by Bonnie and Clyde.... the value is in the collector so what you consider a foolish purchase someone considers a possible investment that will only go higher than what they paid for it....
In 1933 the gang had a shootout in Dexter Iowa and escaped without their car. Police confiscated 34 Colt 45 pistols and 5 Browning BAR rifles. Those guns were in the Dallas County Sheriff's Department for decades but have since all disappeared. Wonder where they are now?
I would NEVER use Mayo Auction for anything I would sell.. This guy didn't even know the history of Bonnie and Clyde.. Told the people they were killed in KY.. They were killed in Louisiana. Plus keeping the auction at 125.000 for that long is crazy.. You can tell he was looking out for his pocketbook only.. LAME!!!!!
I live in the land of the Stanley knife & the head butt.... & I can appreciate what an exquisite piece of history has just been sold. Mick from UK.......
America loves their fire arms. Edpecially when there is such great history attached to it. I wonder what Clyde's Browning would have brought? And I wonder if it still exists? And if so, who owns it? Or them as the case may be?
When the movie came out, I was told that they were killed near Arcadia Lousiana. I was at the motel? where they were shot out of between St Joseph Mo and Kansas City. All that was left then was like concrete cells, no fronts and no roof. I walked from one to the other looking at them all. The first one I looked at was on the S side of the complex. It had chipped concrete marks on the walls. Id didn't think much of that, just assumed it was old concrete. Walked down viewing the rest. When I was coming back, I realized that none of the others had chipped walls. I viewed the last one again. Id say it was amazing that they got out alive as many as did.
If you had a firearm of dubious authenticity and provenance that you were trying to sell for a lot of money, would you take it to a reputable auction house that would perform its due diligence and investigation and likely reveal that it is not what you claim it to be? Or would you take it to a scammy sort of operation like Mayo that can't get basic facts right and will present any claims you make as though they were the word of God?
I'm far from an expert on Thompsons but, the lack of a Cutts Compensator would make me very nervous that this has either been modified or it isn't original. Again, I'm not an expert on these. I would greatly appreciate any further information on early Thompson submachine guns as I thought that they all had the Cutts Compensator on them.
“BELIEVED” to have been owned by Clyde Barrow. I have 30 guns I believe Clyde owned, make me an offer. FFS sounds like the auctioneer didn’t wanna sell, how many times can u say $125k?
I wouldn't have gave $130 for it. For numerous reasons, but, one is, there is no actual evidence they used that weapon, handled the weapon, fired the weapon.
Somebody got ripped off. The first clue is that the auctioneer doesn't even know the simplest history of Bonnie and Clyde. They died in Louisiana not Kentucky and when you hear them say " believed to have been owned by..." that's not enough proof for me. You would think that an armory would have an inventory list via serial numbers that could be matched with the B/C weapons but I guess not. Frank Hamer as a perk for his work in killing B/C, got to keep the weapons. He knew they and any other memorabilia would be worth something down the road. So if it's true that he took all their weapons then what did he eventually do with them?
Most of the guns used are in the Texas Ranger museum in Waco, TX. Clydes B.A.R., thier 1911s and shotguns are all there. I'm sure there are some out in the world but the bulk are there on display. Important thing everyone is forgetting is that Thompson (regardless if it's really his) is a capable of full auto. I.e. an N.F.A. item not just any shit head can own it. You have to have a class 3 license to own full auto firearms.
not if ya sue or learn law .. slaves apply .. was legal . cops got serious weapons and military . i now what i want to . we all equal and they can't make the rules .. law is a opinion . rather stick to my opinion . the good old das any way .. mo e to country where ya can have em where people are free. haha .. good info .. they had nice guns any way ,, i wouldn't pay that for a decommissioned gun ..
Not true. Anyone who is allowed to own firearms can purchase a registered machine gun (assuming it is legal in their state) as long as they pay for the $200 transfer stamp. You really shouldn't comment on matters of firearms law if you have no idea what you're talking about. The only time you need a Class 3 dealers license is to possess/sell unregistered NFA items and "samples". Of course these items can only be sold to government agencies and other Class 3 dealers.
I've seen a lot of stupid bidding at auctions but this one takes the cake. No proof to back it up, nothing!!?? I guess I should sell my pop gun that Clyde played with as a kid when he lived with his grand parents in Chicago and learned how to be a criminal from Capone who also gave him the gun and autographed it as well.
ok. that Thomson did not come from Bonnie and Clyde car. Clyde hated the Thomson. he loved the b.a.r. Bonnie never had a B.A.r on here lab. read the history. people are getting ripped off.
Be better off saying it was Dillengers tommy...the one he stole from the jail when he escaped. Clyde's weapon of choice the BAR w/sawed off barrel. If it were the real deal it would be at the ambush museum in Louisiana with the rest of his weapons.
Bonnie Parker or Clyde Barrow, neither had in their possession a Thompson Submachine gun, they carried 1917 Browning BAR's , so you are misrepresenting it at the auction !!! You need to get your facts straight !!! Kevin Phoenix
@Lu Cas You &your buddy are both wrong about where Bonnie and Clyde were ambushed.Your buddy spelt Gibsland incorrect and they were murdered 8miles south of Gibsland. Don't spread lies.
