"Trans people should have their own day" Fun fact Boogie! We have two. One of them points out that we exist and the other is the one we set aside to count our dead! Wait, that's not fun at all...
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguezI'd agure that trans people deserve more than that than two days and I'm not talking about a month here, rather more along the lines of government support. Its funny how most vets get only a discount, a day, and some recognition. Rarely do they get more than that.
@@Ignaciofinger Yah.... i'd put them in two different categories of "brave". Being who you are no matter what your surrounding says or how they act toward you is a very different kind of "bravery" than running toward automatic .50 cals firing at you but you have to get there to save your friends. These are definitely two forms of bravery but i don't think its okay to suggest they are competing forms of bravery.
@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 Trans people: be who they are in the face of massive discrimination and systemic violence Military personnel: murder children so the number on a graph can go up for big corporations I know who is more brave.
“I’m about to get cancelled” is a fresh fun new way for people to signal that they have a poorly formed opinion that they haven’t given any real thought to but they really want to monetize it anyway.
“Uh oh, here come the WOKE POLICE!” I hate this shit, honestly. It just means that anyone coming at them with any form of reasonable criticism will be immediately shouted down. For people who claim to be about free speech and hearing all sides they are *unendingly* obsessed with getting people who make them uncomfortable to shut up.
I'm about to get cancelled but I can't lie to myself and others anymore peanut-butter Sriracha sandwiches are better than pbaj sammies don't come crying to me when the world goes into chaos from your denial of science and fax
Complaining about "getting canceled" right after dropping a controversial statement is like stabbing yourself and complaining that youre bleeding. Like, what the fuck else did you expect? If you're crying about backlash, just don't say the hot take? If you can't stand the heat then why stay in the place that will get you burnt instead of walking away?
@@aztektheultimatewoman Lol funny you say that. I've also seen people on the left cry "racism" or "sexism" or whatnot whenever they get criticized, and many cases the criticism is reasonable
They think it's a zero-sum game. If you follow this chain of logic, eventually you just get back to "only white people are allowed", because including a black person would take an opportunity from a white person-according to their logic.
And on top of that people act like representation of women is that great anyways. Like it was perfect and flawless and women’s representation was never skipped over or forgotten and now trans women are “ruining it”.
If one believes that transwomen are women then they should be celebrated on woman’s day. Super f-cking simple Boogie. Not complicated in the slightest.
@ibis are not bin chickens! You're a false equivalence and there's a celebration waiting for you out by the dumpsters with the rest of the terminally online trash.
it's wild that the opinion of "if people didn't ask to be treated equally, they wouldn't be treated badly for asking" is still one going around and making people surprised when they get backlash for it. Though a guy who smiles as he says "I know I'm not x minority so I shouldn't give an opinion, BUT here's my opinion" will never be a good video so that was already the red flag for me.
Like, couldn't he ask his community for opinions? That's the most basic thing to do. And if there's no one on your community that can help you, that should be a huge red flag for you
In this case it's not even that. It's "if these people didn't show that they exist they wouldn't be the target of all the horrible things happening to them". Like literally, in a lot of cases it's just a trans person being trans or a gay couple kissing is enough for some people to go "man, why did you go and make the conservatives have something to complain about?". Rights have never been won by the oppressed group continuing to keep their heads down, and I don't understand how you could with a straight face propose that.
It's like they're saying "If transgender people don't want to be discriminated against for being transgender, they should just hide the fact that they're transgender."
I mean why do you gotta include that shit, just give your opinion. If it's correct it's correct if it's false it's false, it doesn't matter if you are or aren't group X, a woman saying women shouldnt have rights doesn't magically become right because she's a woman
Boogie has always had very thinly veiled bigotry. He loves to say bigoted things and promote bigoted behaviour under the guise of being a fence sitter, while also acting like an activist.
It's very easy to go from "I don't think I should take a side" to "I don't care" to "Okay, this didn't go away so I guess it's now my problem... Here's what I really think."
@@Joe90h He was never a fence sitter, he's one of the "gay people shouldn't push for same sex marriage because it's rocking the boat" idiots. I very, very clearly remember him saying that we shouldn't advocate for gay mariage LITERALLY because it rocks the boat, in his OWN words. He's a coward about his opinion and that's it.
This reminds me of something that happened to me a lot as a kid. I'm autistic, and as a result of not really understanding certain social things when I was younger, I got bullied a lot in school. Every time I would tell a teacher about it, they would tell me to stop "being weird" and that I was "making myself a target". The issue was not that I was being bullied and harassed for not adhering to unspoken social rules that I didn't understand, but that I wasn't adhering to a norm that I didn't know existed and that wasn't explained to me. This whole thing feels a lot like that.
So much. 'Illuminaughti' has a great video out now about Manson and all his shittiness, but it also touches a lot on Columbine and the never-ending fad of bullying weirdos... I think you'll like it?
Holy shit, Aeron and Kaworu, that sounds absolutely nightmarish. I'm so sorry you ever had to deal with that. I do hope you two end up doing better for yourselves.
Autistic and trans here 😅 This is very relatable, thanks for sharing this. While I don’t think I was ever completely shut down by a teacher re. bullying, you quickly learn that you exist on the fringes of social existence, and that bullies are wielding genuine power when they call you slurs and treat you like scum. So I quickly gave up on ever telling anyone about what was happening, because nothing changes. School isn’t designed to prevent bullying, it’s actually a very important institutional tool. it trains children to toe the line, to become submissive, and to hide their deviancy. Only now that I’m pushing 30 am I properly in tune with how that shit affected child-me, and finally healing 😌 It does happen. Sorry for the rant 💖 Sending love Xx
that moment when an entire group of people is more offended by the existence of a trans person in an ad than the fact that the company that put that ad on tv profits from literal child slavery
Because they don't care about the evil actual things companies do. They don't have to see or think about the child slavery, they can continue to eat their slop. But seeing someone who isn't like that is them is what deeply offends them. The people who complain about "wokeness" are always some of the most selfish sheltered people out there
@@actualgoblin seriously tho. Like sure, sometimes you wanna be a bigot, sure! But why are you working *so hard* to bake transphobia into the fucking law. Sounds like.... Sounds like we're just human enough for you to declare extermination is good, but not human enough for rights. And look I know it is not a 1:1 comparison, but. This kinda makes me think of the 3/5ths compromise. Like oh, you're not human enough to be free but you ARE human enough to line our pockets and pad our elections :) Again I'm not saying it's a 1:1 comparison, I just think it's funny. In a really messed up way. They literally want to shove trans people back into the closet, but still expect trans people to give their all to society. Why not just ..... ... Mind your own business?? (Not you lol) Sorry that was long jfc I just am really Bothered lately. (Edit- btw I kind of simultaneously refer to myself as trans but also say 'trans people' to make a distinction between me, an NB who passes for cis and manages to navigate society fairly easily with low gender dysphoria and people who are actually really fucking tortured by this shit. Not saying transphobia doesn't hurt me personally but... I am much less likely to be identified as trans than a lot of people. I am hoping I can use that to our benefit in the future.)
it's valid to a degree, but it stops being valid when people are actively fucking dying. If someone is being unconsciously bigoted, then yeah don't execute them on the spot, but if that person is instead actively campaigning for removing other people's right then action needs to be taken against them doing so.
when one considers how slow states like Mississppi are, one begins to see the folly in waiting for people who make no effort to get ready. They were still saying they weren't ready to end racial segregation laws after they've had those laws for ninety years.
@@ACanuckNamedTex if there weren't people trying to drag us forward, the south would stay in its happy status quo (ofc only for those that apply). progressive activists are necessary for change!
Absolutely! I meant that both can exist without contradicting each other, and also that it's funny for him to propose a thing that already exists as if it's a brand new idea he just came up with.
"Sorry mom, I would honour you on International Women's Day but there's already a Mother's Day. And actually, I bought you something for your birthday already, so I'm afraid I'm done remembering you this year."
Because having a cast of only white hetcis dudes isn't political at all. "Oh, the show is really shitty to anyone other than that and makes bigoted jokes? you're looking way into it ya snowflake, this is just the normal"
@DimT670 minorities existing is only political in the same way that everything can be made political if you get upset about it. It's just weird to get upset about us existing, that's all.
I'm gonna say two things because I'm a black woman and I can. This is very similar to the argument that people use against folks of color when they're pointing out racism. The notion that pointing out bigotry is in fact causing the bigotry is some blame the messenger logic that will never make sense. Number two, I'm never going to speak out against any marginalized person securing the bag. Not in a capitalist society, not in THIS economy. Especially that sweet sweet Hershey's chocolate money. In Tennessee transfolk are about to become hyper scrutinized as well as potentially incarcerated along with their Drag Queen cousins because of all this weird right-wing legislation. So if a trans person wants to "sell out" so that perhaps they can ensure their safety and security monetarily just in case they end up in any of these right-wing states that are targeting them for abuse I'm here for it. Let's normalize not holding vulnerable folks accountable to the standards that cis heteros have the privilege of attaining.
There was a really good essay about how the Punk obsession with 'Not selling out' was rooted almost primarily in White privilege. Basically the bands that could afford to not sell out were largely formed of white dudes from middle class backgrounds. Your comment reminded me very much of how 'well intentioned' can quickly become gatekeeping. Not saying Boogie is well intentioned though
Did....did you just pull the "im oppressed therefore im justified" argument? If lacking power or privilege is your only justification, you are not morally rightful. And you shouldn't have any power, because otherwise you'd be no better than the privileged people you complain about. Also the day you advocate for eliminating accountability is the day you lose the right to talk about justice or ethics. Then again, you already said personal benefits (such as the bag) is more important than ethics, so its not like you had talking room to begin with.
@@gillfreddie4100 I think the point was more 'ethics in a vacuum is fine, but given how fraught things are for a lot of minorities - getting paid for something like being in a Hersheys commercial isn't a big deal', similarly people like Boogie that live a very comfortable life aren't really in a position to judge what is and isn't ethical as it comes off as gatekeeping who can and can't get paid. Hence me comparing it to the 'sellout' gatekeeping of the punk scene, they essentially gatekeeped diverse voices from the scene with their obsession in not getting paid If we lived in a world with better financial and social support for people, I think the case could easily be made for staring in a Hershey's commercial as unethical. We don't, and because I can afford not to it would be unethical for me to do so, I can't say the same for others that don't live as comfortably
@@NoName...... he’s made it pretty clear he’s mostly doing it because he thinks it’s funny to piss off conservatives like the quartering and not out of any genuine progressivism Which tbf it is extremely funny
@@FTZPLTC i mean. Her position is transphobia. You can be as uncertain as you want but that'll mean you're uncertain about whether or not you agree w transphobia.
@@twistysunshine Yeah, he seems to be trying to present *her* as merely uncertain when she is anything but. Uncertain people don't throw in with outright fascists just because they might agree with them on one thing.
@@twistysunshine hi hey, can i ask you a legit question, whats exactly is her position/controversy? ive recently seen all the stuff with howarts game cancelation and all. saw some video/tweets/other pages to try to understand whats the problem with jk rowling is in general but nothing that made me go "oooh what a horrible person she is!" except for one very poorly writen sentence in the fired researcher situation that it could have been dealt with without going extremly into cancellation, but thats it. i dont get it
By his own logic, the way to stop people hating on washed-up RU-vidrs is to make sure they never feature in any sort of public media either. So why does he seem so desperate for views?
@@ajasen when were trans jokes ever funny?? I identity as an attack helicopter?? Trans jokes can be funny.. It's just that they never are rn becasue they're just transphobia..
Doubting the celebration of trans women in international women's day makes less sense the more you think about it. Because of course we are not celebrating just the mere existence of the gender, their sole physical characteristic for their own sake. It is all about the hardships of being a woman in a patriarcal society, and women triumphs despite the systems that oppress them or have historically oppressed them. And in that context trans women fit just as good, since they face the same hardships for being a woman and then on top of that for being a trans woman.
and to say "well maybe there should be a day specifically for trans women, and then of course they wouldn't also be included in women's day" is just...not how these types of social awareness holidays work at all? sure, establish a day to celebrate trans women specifically, sounds great (i doubt this guy even knows that trans visibility day and trans remembrance day already exist lol). that doesn't then preclude them from being included in the broader category of "woman" and being celebrated on women's day? like, we have mother's day, but i highly doubt boogie or anyone else would argue that mothers shouldn't be celebrated on women's day because you can't have two days. women's day is not solely dedicated to celebrating the most generic possible version of "woman" with no other defining characteristics that might also be celebrated or honored separately.
boogie straight up implying trans women arent women was so dumb. hershey's was satisfied "just using women" because trans women are women. im tired man.
Yes, I agree. It’s not like they’re non binary or a man. If you’re a woman you’re a woman. Being transgender, a racial minority, gay, etc. doesn’t outshine your womanhood.
The past few months have been particularly difficult for me as a trans person, so I appreciate people like you putting in the time and effort to address things like this. Thank you 💖
I hear you. I feel like every 6 months or so it's the worst it's ever been lately. I'll say that acceptance and willingness to understand is getting louder, but so are the transphobes, and by quite a lot. Everyone has an opinion now, and they're much more likely to get the first impression about us that they'll never think critically about from conservatives who're playing to the crowd. I'm doing the dressing as androgynously as possible in public and trying not to speak if I can just because I don't want people to be able to even think that I'm trans because I just know they would feel entitled to comment on it, or worse. Even if it's just 1 out of 50 who think like that, you easily meet that once a day, and it can be such an unpleasant experience that I'd rather not risk it.
it's been getting more and more shitty for trans people for a while now, but it is nice to see quite some youtubers' support for us. hope you're doing well
im blessed to live in a blue state but im going to have to stay off the internet once they really start effectively banning all gender affirming care. i dont know if i can handle seeing the inevitable happen to my fellow trans people.. i feel so hopeless and sick to my stomach every day now and i just dont know what to do anymore.
The thing about stuff like this is that I generally agree that Hershey's probably doesn't care about women or trans rights and this is just a publicity stunt.... However as someone that isn't misogynistic or transphobic, I think: so what? Who gives a shit if Hershey's has an ulterior motive with increased representation? The only reason to care is that you have a negative reaction to such representation.
@@KickinRadTopHat 100%. Every decision corporations make regarding the public is to appeal to them in some way without passion or sincerity. But these guys only start complaining when they see a rainbow onscreen for 0.5 seconds
Literally yeah. They're going to make a commercial trying to sell their stuff anyway, and if they're playing it safe and not rustling any jimmies then boogie won't have a peep to say about it despite the motives and outcome being the exact same: selling candy. It's only now when they're using the inclusivity of trans women that it's a problem? And why is that exactly?
Same energy as when I saw a Facebook ad featuring an interacial couple and one of the top comments was, "When are companies going to stop shoving interracial couples down our throats?" I don't have the energy anymore for this level of being blatantly wrong about the most basic forms of humanity and empathy. As a queer, Jewish, trans person I would like to exist without having to read about, watch, or experience sizable groups of people hating me for being some or all of those things every single day on the internet. It's degrading.
Yeah I got an ad from the daily wire that read "stop buying woke chocolate that hates you" Wtf? Chocolate can hate people? Oh the extreme ridiculousness is comical!🤣😂🤣
I got that ad yesterday. I find Jeremy Boreing's approach to business pretty funny. His whole business model revolves around calling people he disagrees with snowflakes, then turning around and creating product lines to compete with businesses that offend him.
Why do people who say they don’t identify as transphobes immediately start carrying water for JKR “I’m not a transphobe… but look how they cancelled poor Joanne 🥺” Smooth
Yea his opinion is either wrong or right, whether he's a woman is irrelevant, it's not like if a woman said this it would be right Something is or isn't transphobic (or sexist or racist etc), it's not up to who is saying it, it's not like a woman saying women shouldnt vote isn't sexist because she's a woman
It got a chuckle out of me -- it's not something I could've come up with. It's harmless corporate holiday marketing, and it just sucks that right now trans people have to be either political or invisible.
I loved it! It's silly and clever and funny. And best of all it makes the fascists really mad. Every time they are caught screaming about the candy or Potato Head dolls or whatever stupid freak out they have of the day, it makes them look ever more ridiculous to the average people on the street.
I hate most performative pr campaigns like this because they’re cringy. But this one has such corny dad joke energy with that pun that I’m fine with it lol
@@SS-xr7jf Oh lord, you know that sometime in the future, we're going to have adorable, trans-positive parents giving their daughters Hershey chocolate as a coming out present as part of a corny, but loving joke.
@@eliparker7151 I didn't come up with it, but I heard it a while back and told that joke to my trans friend Janet, probably some time last year in the form "What's a trans woman's favourite candy bar? Her/She" She busted a gut laughing, and I don't think either of us thought we were celebrating or promoting Hershey's at all.
It's the divisiveness argument. Just prosecute and demonize groups until there's backlash, and then say "your backlash is divisive. Can't we all get along?" No. We can't get along. Stop being a bigot.
@@chainswordcs 🤣🤣🤣 I love that this is basically just an ironic thing leftists use to make fun of conservatives now. It’s so vapid and says so much 🥰 Haha, it’s like “You say you’re tolerant, but you get mad when I say you should die 😭😭”
It feels like Boogie's take is kinda like the end of that "outrage marketing" vid by hbomberguy, where hb was talking about how corporations do "woke" things cause they know people will be mad, but kinda missed that the reason it's a problem isn't cause the "woke" thing is bad, but because the corp is normally only doing it to get people's attention from the crumby things they are doing. I hope Joel's kind explanation reaches him.
Was this the ONLY woman who was "celebrated" for International Women's Day? No. When representing a group of people you don't need EVERY BIT of representation to correspond with the most common category. Hershey's this year decided to use this woman in their ads. Yes, she's transgender. She;'s also a redhead. Hersheys using a redhead doesn't somehow denigrate all the brunette women out there.
"If you don't want to be discriminated against, just don't go out in public" has real "if you want to stop being bullied, just stop going to school" energy, and it's always surprising that the people stating it seem to have no idea that they're not only supporting the discrimination/bullying, but actively participating in it with statements like those.
The explanation of fascists consistently abdicates their own agency, like they’re a force of nature. Things are always getting “too woke,” marginalized folk are always “too loud,” or calling conservatives bigots, and so of course they have no choice but to become more fascist in response.
I keep getting a transphobic add for... the Daily Wire making fun of Hershey's Women's Day campaign. And now I just got an ad with a women putting on atrocious fake Appalachian accent telling me I need to claim my sweet $500 in handout money from President Biden. Online ads truly are a cesspit
The idea that trans women being treated as women is going to endanger them is genuinely baffling and obviously insincere. Kinda reminds me of that old Onion bit about how gays mustn't be allowed to join the military because we are too precious to risk. I've learned to be very sceptical of objections to woke advertising, rainbow capitalism, etc. In my experience, it's usually people who *are* advertised to who don't really get why it's validating to see someone like yourself in an advert. I can understand the objection if a company is actually doing bad things, outside the normal scope of bad things that companies do. But I think people need to realise that, within the framework of a capitalist consumerist culture (i.e. the one we live in), the fact that a company is willing to try to sell you stuff rather than not bothering really *is* what equality looks like. When your money is regarded as being as good as anyone else's, and especially when a company is happy to potentially lose a few bigoted shithead customers in order to get it... again, it's hard to convey why that would be validating if someone has never experienced a world where people like them were just not marketed to at all.
So apparently some US state or other is proposing a same sex marriage ban and of course the first thing I see is some dumbass gay cis white dude screaming "see what you did?!" No, dipshit, it's what YOU did. You have been carrying out their agenda and now it's come to fruition. Getting assholes like you on side was always their plan but they will never accept you - HENCE THE ATTEMPT TO BAN SAME SEX MARRIAGE. Dickheads.
The people who are being advertised to and being validated are also usually the most anti-capitalist and skeptical of the corporation being genuine. As in corporations sold people asbestos and gave a recipe for Fanta because Coca Cola syrup couldn't be imported into that evil German group in the 1930s.
I bet the only reason Joel made this video defending chocolate is because he's been bought out by Big Wonka, how many golden tickets did they give you to not talk about the Oompa Loompa's Joel!
The fact that that actress can’t show her face without there being a massive controversy is really sad tbh,she can’t be affiliated with any business without everyone accusing it of being bait for outrage.all trans people wanna do is live our fucking lives just like everyone else
I'll speak only a little on this as a trans woman and drop the joking around on these videos for a change and just say joel basically said everything I wanted to say here. So often is the argument used that our existence in public life is in and of itself a provocation towards conservatives that fans the flames of their violent attempts at oppression. It doesn't matter if it's "pink capitalism", exploitative for corporate profits or otherwise, because when non-marginalized demographics are exploited in the same way it doesn't immediately turn into an argument if that demographic should be visible at all. If these enlightened centrists come out of the woodworks and criticize anything they consider being against trans people then maybe focus the attention on the ones who're loudly proclaiming that they want to hurt us and exclude us from all manner of public life, be that in legislation or just by encouraging even more hateful and ignorant opinions about us. The goal of trans liberation - any queer liberation, and liberation of all marginalized communities as a whole - is to be normalized, which means equal rights. But they're way too devoid of imagination to imagine a world where the rights and acceptance of marginalized people are significantly better so they settle for not rocking the boat, and since they're not part of a minority they genuinely don't care. I also find it absolutely perfect how Boogie makes sure to add this disclaimer about how he's not a woman and therefore maybe should not speak on this and then does so anyway. It's so, so often that cishet men pick up the mantle of gender police for feminine gender roles and uses that lens to exclude trans women from womanhood. It's such an enlightened centrist take just due to the ignorance of the exclusionary history of western feminist movements and how it has thrown marginalized groups of women under the bus because selling feminism as being white, straight, and cis and mostly about being equal with men under capitalism was a much easier sell, and it's exactly because of sentiments from status quo warriors like this.
I agree with everything you said. I'm reminded of how women are blamed for being SA'd because of how they were dressed. Your sheer existence is political and it's your fault. Not the trash person who does the harmful act.
every time i hear about a new boogie thing i'm surprised that boogie is still here. also, his "oh it's so complicated idk about trans people" is just an update of his "gay people should have done same-sex marriage slower so they didn't cause themselves so many hate crimes" hot take.
There was a time I did too. I think I got tricked into believing that because he was overweight, and a lot of people criticising him would go to that well to mock him rather than put together proper thoughts had me looking at him as an underdog. Ironically, being marginalised drove me towards him, and here he is marginalising people.
He's a generally thoughtful person and I don't think anyone on the left enjoys watching this slide into far right extremism. I think as he's losing youtube relevance he's getting more scared and angry and thats exactly where the right loves to find people. He'll get more and more positive reinforcement in the comments from just *the worst* people and bots there are, and his channel will just devolve into another copy paste far right propaganda outrage cog as he picks up more of that very insulated audience.
I’m going through a major sweater obsession rn, like I raid goodwills on the weekly to get new sweaters. Just when I think I’m burned out, I see Joel wearing another beautiful comfy sweater, it triggers me to go out and buy more. I love you Joel, and your amazing sweaters
It is not, and should not, be difficult to understand. Trans women are women. Hence, any event celebrating women automatically includes trans women. He is creating a problem where there is none
I mean by that logic if we were to show black people in ads it would lead to more hate towards black people which wouldn't be because of the ad, it would be because of the rxcism, so the fault lies in the rxcists
I do find it telling that he continually refers to "women and trans PEOPLE" It's a small thing but it seems like he can't say trans WOMEN, even though this conversation is about them in particular. Haven't watched the full video so I could be off the mark
Why did he say “now you have to prop up trans women too?” like that? That’s what caught my attention. At best it’s very uncomfortable phrasing. At worst it’s what it sounds like
The typical MO for having "reservations but I'm not against trans" is to start with a sound bit that taken by itself can be seen as a centrist position, or just valid concerns about one part of the trans discussion - but the more and more they talk the closer and closer what they are saying gets to "I don't believe they are really women nor should they be treated as such in any meaningful way."
I had a moderately frustrating discussion recently that has some analogues here, the general topic was "cancel culture" and people would say "people should mind their own business, and they shouldn't speak out about these topics because it attracts negative attention to transpeople", which struck me as quite bothersome as the implied alternative is complete silence, and there is also the implication that hatred towards trans people is only ever as a result of efforts to improve their condition among other things. It's just frustrating to argue with because at a surface level these kinds of arguments appear "reasonable" and "level-headed" but when you think about them for more than five seconds you realise the logic is riddled with paradoxes and nonsense.
"Not talking about it isn't going to make the angry transphobes go away, they'll just watch libs of tiktok and say the satanic trans cabal is murdering children for adrenochrome"
HerSheys actually released 5 different wrappers featuring women ... Kinda shows the hand boogie is playing when he's just focused on the 1. Rainbow capitalism may be shitty , but companies wouldn't be doing it if it didn't work.
I used to appreciate Boogie in the Magic: the Gathering parody sketch days. I was sympathetic to his weight loss journey as someone who has struggled with weight periodically in my own life. He's exhausting now--perhaps intentionally so.
I noticed in talking with a very bog-standard-conservative friend of mine, one of the reasons I find even mild statements he makes towards the traditional conservative platform give me a very strong reaction to them. I realized the reason for this is because of the population of extreme conservatives (e.g. white supremacists, bigots of all sorts; people who want to return to 1950s society and then some). These people have increasingly come up in the public consciousness of late, and in no small part due to shoehorning themselves into the conservative platform. Someone will make a fairly mundane statement like "I don't like hersheys using politically relevant topics to mime awareness in the sole interest of making money", and one of these slightly more confident people will chime in with "yeah, exactly. I don't like that they're putting trans people into what should just be a normal non-contentious celebration of women's day- trans people should have their own holidays separate from women" at which point the most extreme of the bunch will agree with the first two and say "I agree wholeheartedly. We should not be depicting trans people in the world because it makes people\society\our modern good morals, uncomfortable." Every single one of those people seems to think - or at least wants you to think - that they're in perfect agreement with the person before them, that it's the very same statement as the last. And so, whenever I see someone complain about any aspect of Hersheys putting a trans woman in advertising, I immediately have this almost visceral reaction: if I let this statement pass by unquestioned, how much further will the modest claim keep being inched further and further? I feel pressured - and I imagine many others - into this zero-tolerance policy of anything that could be slipped just a bit further to justify horrid beliefs. I don't know what should be done to fix this, but I think it definitely has a hand in actively radicalizing both sides. If you're entirely shunned for even modest beliefs (the true extent of yours, but they don't know that) then you'll find yourself associating more with the radical ones who claim to share your modest ones - and those who all share the very-similar beliefs become more and more fearful of the resultantly radicalizing others. The best i can recommend to others is, if someone says something that worries you: talk to them about it. Work it through, see why they think that way, and try to step back to some kind of common reasonable ground. Call out dangerous actions, but don't ostracize them for it. Make it clear who truly agrees with them, and who's just trying to lure them deeper into the woods. Only shun those who are clearly acting in bad faith to manipulate you into extremity.
If we don't ostracize conservatives, they'll eventually do it by themselves from their self-radicalization chambers telling them to. We're dealing with a full-blown cult which we can't deprogram.
Things like "international day of [group]" are extremely trivial and absolutely dont merit getting all "well this is an extremely complex and heavy topic" over.
I haven't watched Boogie since he insisted that homosexuals should take a slower, more measured approach to equal rights to avoid becoming martyrs, as if they're going out and willingly getting themselves assaulted or killed.
Boogie trying to argue that Hershey acknowledging trans people is somehow hurting them is ridiculous. It's like saying the NFL putting "End Racism" on players' helmets is somehow hurting black people. Like the dude is trying to be such an enlightened centrist about this by trying to find an issue with the advertisement without trying to make it seem like his issue is with trans people. Like if you just want to say "Supporting trans rights is cool, but Hershey is still an evil corporation." that's one thing, but the fact he indulges the "Should trans women be recognized on International Women's Day?" question with a bunch of pointless fence sitting implies he really isn't here to defend trans people.
I'm a trans woman and the fact that he even has to hesitate to include me in the category "woman" is clearly transphobia. Like that's not even a question at that point.
You people keep acting like having hesitation to consider a guy in a dress a woman is some how insane, pretending like the very idea of questioning peoples intent and the consequences that may arise is some kind of unhinged lunacy that couldn't possibly be understood by a sane human being. Yet the reality is that it is perfectly acceptable to ask these questions, and to be concerned for the invasion of another peoples space. You are no more a woman than I am black. We can play dress up and get all our friends to go along with it all we like, but at the end of the day I have white skin, blue eyes and straight hair and you have the skeleton of a man and the genetics of a man. No amount of fake tan and traditional African clothing is going to convince people I'm a black man and no amount of lipstick and skirts is going to make you a woman. Trans people expecting to be celebrated for womanhood is just as insane and as if I walked around on black history month talking about my ancestors struggle.
@@mintcrisp94 i mean, you're here speaking for women, so i don't think it's much of a stretch to think you include yourself in other areas where you're not wanted or where your opinion means next to nothing
@@mintcrisp94 >GRRRRRR WHY ARE ALL YOU TRANSES SO ANGRY ABOUT EVERYTHING RAAAAAAA In all seriousness though, transgenderism _really_ isn't as shallow as you're making it out to be. I will agree that, given how the understanding of it has only been given traction in more recent years, it's not entirely far-fetched to expect some people-such as yourself-to have difficulty understanding why trans women are (imo, rightfully) given the label of women. But, the reason why no one unironically pushes a "trans-race" rhetoric is because there's (at least to my knowledge; correct me if I'm wrong) never been anyone pushing the idea of "being a real White person", or "being a real Black", or Asian, or Hispanic, etc. On the other hand, gender roles being perpetuated-i.e. where men and women "belong" in society-have been a major part of people understanding how they feel comfortable as being when it comes to their own identity. My initial snarky response aside, I do hope we can have a proper, civilized discussion about this.
Boogie's pool jumping and console smashing videos were more intelligent than what he's had to say in the last several years. The ultimate enlightened centrist.
Do I think Hershey's was aware that featuring a trans woman would stir up outrage discourse? Yes Does that make any of the outrage valid? No. The only things deserving of our outrage here is 1. Blatant transphobia 2. The exploitation at every level of capitalism
makes thumbnail and title that paints him as being against trans people, gets mad that people see it and think he is transphobic (as the thumbnail is designed to lead them to believe)
I had a teacher in high school who was shockingly similar to Boogie in almost every single way, from appearance to political beliefs. I remember one specific strange thing he said where, in part because he believed in the second amendment, he would be considered a liberal in Idaho (where I live) but a conservative in, say, Massachusetts, which is a comical oversimplification even for high school and also kind of unintentionally revealing. Did I mention he was the government teacher, too? edit: I did also say at first he was probably closer to pre-mask off Boogie but thinking about it he would have absolutely supported anti-trans sports bills (of which Idaho was one of first states to propose one)
"If trans people don't want to be targeted, they should simply keep themselves hidden from sight". Coming from a dude who you just know has been the victim of bullying and personal attacks for most of his life.
I actually find the exclusion of trans women from women’s history (or any other women’s rights issue) extremely misogynistic. Because what does that say about what you think a woman is? A pair of chromosomes? Some ovaries? It’s very dehumanizing and reductive.
@@user-ns4zm8qe9p Well as a cis woman, my experience with gender does not start and end at my reproductive capabilities, and to suggest that it is what makes me a “woman” is not only misogynistic but it’s wrong. Being a woman is an experience that I live daily, whether it’s how people interact with me, to how I was socialized, to my perception of self. Very rarely does my anatomy come up in daily life and it does not define as a person, though it is a part of my human experience. Trans women are women because being a woman is so much more than your chromosomes, and as I said before, to suggest that is the case is very reductive.
Little Joel viewers, we need to talk. This is a very serious subject, I am not joking. At 1:12 you can hear Joel's smoke alarm chirp to indicate that its battery is running dry and that Joel must shortly undertake the labour of replacing it. Like this comment to remind Joel to replace the battery. If you don't and he forgets and dies in a fire, his ash will be on your hands.
The fact that he accused Hershey for allegedly making the ad for "outrage bait" while making "outrage bait" himself for those sweet, sweet transphobic views and attention.
My god, he really went out of his way to say he had a controversial take just to result in a bunch of vague transphobia that doesn't even qualify as an opinion
Has anyone gotten those Jeremy’s Chocolate ads before a video??? I’m so stressed about transphobia and I’m not even trans, but I’m queer. This must have been what it was like when same sex relationships weren’t as accepted and the fact that there are gay people helping this transphobia is just so disgusting.
man it's so telling that when boogie wants talk about the harm hershey does and it's trans people in their ads and not the child slavery their products are created with
One thing that cracks me up about all of this is that Hershey's chose like 6 or 7 women for this campaign. 1 trans woman. The rest cis women. So everyone claiming this is an example of "trans women drowning out the voices of cis women" is just plain lying. Also, to reinforce the obvious....if you believe trans women are women, there is nothing wrong with a trans woman being celebrated as a fucking woman. Trans people and cis people have many shared experiences and many different ones. But so do cis people to cis people. It's such a bogus argument by TERFs and the like.
