booktok hockey smut: what the puck is going on 

i find it creepy in a way idk

I find that if they want to thirst after fictional players then it's like weird but not offensive to other people. But when they take it to the extreme like alex's case it's so creepy. Like he didn't give you consent. Respect it. He's a human. He has real life problems and family.

No fr It’s super creepy and even as a skater- the sexualization of our sport is wild and idk why people can’t just respect and not be so overly obsessed over people like that. Ik a lot of people who are bothered by it at my rink. There really is no excuse for that even if there’s reasons behind it.

They do the same with motorcyclers as well

@@curtisgrant1078 um yeah. There's this whole booktok X bikertok thing going on where they're posting thirst traps for each other. And there was this one 16 year old biker who wanted to be a part of the trend and gain a community of followers I guess, and he posted a video with a few teen dystopian novels like he hunger games, maze runner etc. then women in then comments section said that "those books aren't real books, you should instead read haunting Adeline" (context: haunting Adeline is a very toxic, problematic, abusive, romanticizing stalker romance, with various triggers and SA scenes in it) and I was like how dare you recommend these kinda books to a minor?!? But then some other women in e comments were also saying that "you need to learn from adult books and come back to me when you're a real man" and that's borderline grooming. A grown ass woman talking about a 16 year old boy who's posting for fun and clout in a sexual manner is pedophilia. But, the fact that no one in the comments section disagreed with those comments made me think that maybe they should stop normalising things like these. They don't get to make any minor (I'm a minor lmao sorry for the rant) feel unsafe in their safe space that they made to do something fun with no pressure from people. So yeah, I get you. You're point is valid.

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haley poping up here, my worlds are colliding

I NEED this collab

omg haley i didnt know u watch jack too!!! my fav booktuber watches my other fav booktubers vids

After the whole controversy I kept wondering how the stress would affect the team. I think it’s interesting that the Kraken made the playoffs last season, but this season they are bottom 3 in their conference, and bottom in the rankings overall for the league.

I wonder what that girls mother/father/guardian thinks....like omg can you imagine if the child you raised subjected another human to that, spoke that way, treated that way to another person? It's staggering. The idea that the management was like ya, let's treat our players like sex idols, can't see anything wrong with that, like what. Tell us you're new to the NHL without telling us you're new to the NHL *eyeroll*

@@lesdeuxtigresjust wanna say... dont think the booktok drama is why we arent doing well this season 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

@@lesdeuxtigresit’s hard to say, because these things change every season for so many reasons. But I could see that having an influence

@@stschubsI mean, I almost hope they don’t know how to use the internet, cause yeah, that’s just embarassing

There are definitely books for other body types. Olivia Dade is known for her fat rep, and released a book last year with two fat leads…she used the same designer as the one who did the cover for Icebreaker, but that artist really shows her range when working with Olivia Dade! But funny you mentioned chess players, because Ali Hazelwood wrote a chess player romance, and I’m 90% sure he’s still a giant, and she’s still tiny. It is YA though, so maybe it will be less sexual?

I’ve got the perfect book for you! His Secret Illuminations by Scarlett Gale is perfect for this. I absolutely loved it and its sequel

There is actually a k-drama called weightlifting fairy kim bok-joo

There's a book called night shift where the girl is 5"11 and the guy was 6 sth

@@wouldntyouliketoknow7057 I just finished watching it and although I love it, you could tell that the min character was shown as still being relatively skinny compared to her teammates.

jane eyre laid bare is such a core moment of this channel i am HERE for it also

Fr that damn title haunts me at least once a month. I can't ever take the original book seriously again 😂

@@marziahadi7156 “the classic novel with an erotic twist” 💀

​@kabina7994 trueee! i didn't even like the original Jane Eyre but that abomination made me curious af

Is your username the reference that I think it is?

that was the exact moment i paused to check the comments lmao

I'm absolutely dying at this. I need more guys to review smut.

And yet "balls deep" just sailed right on by...

Honestly I'd love to take this entire phenom into a sociology course.

i think the thing is is that it's poorly disguised rpf, but not actually claimed as it. hockey rpf has gone from niche online spaces where people write relatively privately to published books that blatantly write about real players but pretend they don't (some of them are pretty undeniable haha) and then people openly discuss them on a much more mainstream platform

Which is so wild bc in fanfic communities we’re finally seeing a true crackdown on Rpf and hatred of if the past few years. Like somehow on Ao3 in the actual fandom space that is viewed as the poster child for these things ppl hate it but it’s reached weird booktok shit and fanfic fandom space is getting blamed again lmao

I mean the problem with RPF is when it actually reaches the real world. It's all fine and good as long as everybody understands that the fourth wall needs to be preserved (ie understand difference between reality and fantasy and not try to mix them)

@@Louisa-Sophie is it? IS IT? 🤍

@@Louisa-Sophie No, RPF is always wrong. Part of its existence is literally doing just that, mixing reality and pretend. These are REAL people. It’s in the name. I’m not harping on you when I mention this, but even saying something like “fourth wall” here, is dangerous. Fourth wall is about fictional media. These people are not fictional, so it doesn’t matter if the places they’re written in are pretend. They’re real people, and headcanoning and writing about real people is actively bad, even just in the sense that the people who are being written about have spoken about disliking it. It’s about autonomy and privacy. /gen /nm

Like, Jack this a book you read on KINDLE! Or hiding in your bedroom, never the subway!

He may die if he goes into Kindle Unlimited. There's things in there that no man should ever read.

@@lesdeuxtigres exactly like 😆😆 whenever he said he read on the train I was like NOOOO 🫢🫢🫢

@@kgal1298 true that. 😆😆 some things should stay hidden 😆😆

​@@kgal1298my boyfriend got me a kindle for christmas one year, and he paid for a year of kindle unlimited. I found maybe three books on there worth downloading, the rest were just smut. 😂 literally thousands of books with guys on the cover, glistening and shirtless. 😂😂

Omggg real😭

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Hahahaha I don’t know why but I find the growling hot in books, but I can’t ever imagine taking it seriously in real life 😅

IKR omg what the heck are we supposed to imagine for that, I just self-insert another word, like writing has gotten so bad authors can't even pick a word other than 'GROWL' out of all the words

Same

YES and also who tf has ever growled/had a partner growl during actual sex? XD

@@LilyEvans1996 Werewolves... If I read the word 'growl' I am associating it with werewolves and since I prefer fluffly romance part like cuddling and rubbing face/cheeks to scent SO, I read a lot werewolf fanfiction(mostly Teen Wolf). Growl=werewolves= hot

I attend a book club that focuses exclusively on YA. It’s a mix of adults, teenagers and children and the amount of times the adult members and staff recommend smut or 18+ books really frustrates me. One member will talk openly about Pucking Around just after another talks about how much they enjoyed Wings of Fury. It’s not a safe space for those kids.

Reading the comments on his TikTok gives me the creeps!

I don't understand why they would do that especially if they know he's a minor like I fear some morals have gone out the window like that sounds a little predatory even if that's not the intention we are talking about a child he shouldn't have to deal with that

the way booktok worships Haunting Adeline needs to be studied because I just. dont. get. it.

WHAT?!?!!?

while i agree with you that she should’ve taken accountability when the player and his wife made known that they felt uncomfortable, i don’t think that the kraken just “went along” with it. they actively enabled and encouraged this behavior because they profited from it and that is also very problematic

@@hannah-wd9qn and i never said that fact wasn’t problematic, however, the people who were at the forefront of this issue have millions of followers within the booktok community and to use the fact that the team was going along with it as the excuse for their behavior is gross. both things can be true.

an eternal rant, PLEASE!

You mean the author were the parents are joking about their infant baby boy's big balls, and then the baby dies?

@@lelnel6242this is literally the best summary of colleen hoover “books”. literally her in one sentence

Idk, that means he has to go into it expecting to hate it and read several books all while scheming to shoot a diss video, targeting one particular author. That would feel very uncharacteristic of his content style.

I remember he gave 3 stars to 2 books of her i think and already said people are so harsh with her. She writes books in a way it's easy to read for some. So I don't think he will hate all her books just because some of her books were bad

agreed

they are not romance they are erotica , like saying p0rn is romance

And you can even have crushes on them irl, cause that’s always been a thing, people having a celebrity crush or whatever, but keep that shit off the internet. I’m not on TikTok, but it seems like a lot of the content has become- videos that should have never been made.

HAHAHA that’s such a good metaphor for it lmao

erotica is a sub-genre of romance...

Agree is pure erotica not romance.

I mean, there is a plot, even if it’s not much of one. The presence of a lot of sex doesn’t make it erotica, although people throw the term around. Erotica is its own genre, where the “sex journey” is centered. Steamy/erotic romance, which is more what I think these are, contain romantic plots, even if there’s still lots of sex. Basically it comes down to, is the sex the plot, or does it complement the plot?

@@cakt1991 what you are describing is erotica, if it were plainly just sex it would be pornography. Nothing wrong with readinv erotica, nobody is saying that. But is different from one or two scenes in a romantic novel

i agree rivals to lovers is such a better term for it. i feel like rivals to lovers implies that both people respected each other enough to see each other as a threat. you can't be threatened by someone unless you admit to yourself that they are as skilled as you. this being the basis for a romance shows that both people will come into the relationship with pre established respect and admiration for one another that i think can be missing from a lot of other tropes. it's still really common for women in romance novels to be looked down on by the love interest

I believe enemies to lover only work in fantasy books

I feel like Beach Read was a great example of this!

Right! He looked young in the first pic, so I kind of just assumed he was young and unmarried! But to do that to a married man with children is crazy

Me too!

Yeah, it was super weird how they just fooled around with everyone in the uber with them. And the author just expects us to believe they were too drunk to notice. 1) No one is too drunk to notice. 2) What about the poor uber driver. Don't they get any respect?

Major Swiftie here, and that's so disgusting. I can somewhat understand people writing fanfic about fictional characters but real people is just repulsive.

@@evychittenden13 People have been writing RPS since forever but it MUST be contained in fanfic-only spaces only. They're not supposed to be visible to anyone who is not intentionally searching for them. I remember the After book release that was so disgusting, the boys knew about it and also kept getting asked in interviews about it ew

@@evychittenden13 What’s the issue with writing fanfic about fictional stuff since you say “somewhat”?

I’m halfway through it and literally every page has at least one sex reference if smut isn’t occurring 😭

So it's actually just erotica? If the sex starts before your 30% into the book then it's erotica and I think people need to be honest about that. Otherwise you can have romance/smut that takes like 70% of the way to get through you get that a lot with Ali Hazelwood, but it's not terribly vile.

it's P*rn with plot filler

It's the same thing with people who become hyper-obsessed with porn. This is still porn with a story around it. People really need to not get too caught up in their fantasy worlds it can be hard to escape it.

You're so right. I hate how most "romance" books are just smut. No cute moments where we really get to see these two individuals, AS two individuals instead of just two bodies that will be used to satisfy the reader's lust. I'm all for a realm of sex positivity. Of course, as a woman, I can easily observe a world in which we are obsessively desired after, but not allowed to know it or use that to fulfill our own human, biological needs of sex. It's just that, when you write a 300+ page book that is really just porn, and where every other page is your characters being intimate, what are we really achieving, as writers? It just feels lazy to me. You can have your characters have fun, casual sex, just like you can have them have passion filled and very intimate sex, and STILL be aware of their humanity and their existence as people. These books like the ones used in reference in this video, are so stale when it comes to plot, and character quirks. They're just bodies. It's the same whenever a show or movie indulges in this type of writing. I don't know what I, as the reader or viewer, is supposed to obtain, learn, or be interested in when it's just two people who're horny for each other. Entertainment is subjective, but I like to view sources of media from a writing standpoint, and I always give them credit for knowing their audiences and feeding them based off of their preferences, but I just feel like limiting our readers and our feelings as readers when people inflate these books to such high lengths. I want to discuss the elements of storytelling with a fellow reader. I don't want to feel like we watched the same porno movie together.

Agreed. I enjoy a good sex scene in a book, but i can't imagine reading a whole 800 page book of JUST sex. I like the build up, the plot, the romance -- and that adds to the sex scene. I mean, I don't wanna shame people who get off on this or just want a good sex book for fun. But the way it's bleeding into real life and not just a little sneaky read before bed...feels odd?

@@rachel5399that’s why I love YA romance. people hate on it but there are so many good authors who really show their characters personalities and those moments I crave. I think one or two sex scenes in a book is fine but a whole book of just that?

For me personally, as an enjoyer of these types of books, it becomes a problem when the relationships have abusive tendencies. So many books have toxic and abusive partnerships and romanticize that (and not just in books but all media). I had borderline panic attacks from scenes that portrayed 🍇 as okay and romanticized it.

He went to Durham its right behind Oxbridge for literature degree

Reading another comment about it originally coming from wattpad, this makes a lot of sense now

100% this! Just imagine a guy making a tiktok like that woman, talking about her 3… you know. And then doing it in PUBLIC and in PERSON. That would absolutely not be okay if a man did this and straight up be a lawsuit. Of course there are grey areas but this situation was harrassment. UNHINGED. And then the author DEFENDING THIS?? I always think of that phrase from another tiktoker although different situation: „If it‘s not okay for a dad to do, it‘s not okay for a mum to do.“ And ever since then I see more and more situations where this applies.

I’ve found that they’re mostly junior/senior age college students. So still very unrealistic, but they are adults. But I know a lot of people get sick of college romances by the time they’re like 25 bc the characters just feel too young

I‘m sorry you translated THAT?? I don‘t know whether to be impressed or horrified, my condolecense either way 💀 Now I need to know the hungarian word for double penetration… Godspeed to you, friend…. You probably need it

And of course it‘s coming from fucking (pun intended) wattpad

I‘m sorry but you translated THAT?! I don‘t know whether to be impressed or horrified, my condolecence either way 💀 This must have been… an interesting experience. Now I need to know the hungarian words for some of these things…. Good luck with the next book of the series. I have a feeling you‘ll need it 💀

@@achilles7815 No condolences needed :) it really wasn't as bad as you'd think - despite its flaws, it's a well-intentioned book (well, they both are), and while sex scenes are an issue in themselves (Hungarian just doesn't have the right vocab, so translating them is always a chore), it wasn't even near the worst or most difficult thing I've ever translated. And the second book is already done - in fact, it was published this week.

Yessss

Imma need the title, immediately

​@@bettyward8777i cant remember what it was called cause i read it at my colleges library but i think the title was a taylor swift song lol im sorry!!

i play hockey and my friend lent me icebreaker and i read the first half of it completely grossed out. at least in the first half there’s not that much about hockey or figure skating or anything it’s pretty much just straight smut and them doing weird stuff like fucking in an uber that also has all of their friends in it, and the dude drawing a map of the g spot or smth i don’t remember

I can assure that icebreaker literally never talks about hockey. The only way hockey plays into the book really is by bringing in the male main characters friends who are his entire hockey team, and it cause the two main characters to meet. I've read the book and I literally don't even know what position Nate plays because they never even talk about it. Him playing hockey doesn't really contribute much to the plot.

Are you single?

​@@taiyabazaheer9492 did you not watch the video, this is what he's talking about

I agree, it just got out of control. It's also happening with bikers on tiktok too and I'm like "guys these are real people"

The knights of the modern world thing is so accurate 🤧

I love your explanation!

Can u suggest some good ones

Could you recommend any of your favourites? I don't want to start with these two lol

Read „The Deal“//Off-Campus-Series by Ellen Kennedy 😉

Absolutely this! I literally screamed in shock when they actually invited that crazy woman to a game. I would have been terrified! TERRIFIED! Imagine a hockey team doing this with reversed genders?? Inviting an obsessed, down bad to literal hell, mal fan to a woman‘s hockey game?! Unhinged! I hope you stay safe, babe 😭

I could have written this comment myself I feel the same way

Haha, while I get that it may traumatize some, trust me that not all are traumatized by that scene. Us romance lovers stan fictional steamy scenes, because we have a way to suspend our disbelief. We obviously would not condone many of these situations in real life, but in fiction, why not?!

@@dianaandthebookhunt Oh no, I get it! I'm a romance girly too, but I also read books that Jack reads. I read an okay amount of genres so I'm not a stranger to smutty books. I'm reading one right now funny enough.😅 But what I mean is that I just found that scene so disturbing cuz of setting. Like their friends were legit less than 2 feet away from them, including the cab driver who probably has a backway mirror and might have been privy to the whole thing. It's just time and place, you know.😂🥲

I totally get it! I have personal issues with some types of steamy scenes in dark romances for example, so I get it. It's all subjective & that's why there will always be people on both sides of the discussion. It's just important to approach the subject with as much respect as Jack is showing in this video 😊

OMFG, thats the scene that made me stop reading it all together 😪

yeah it looks like a "fluffy" romance when it is actually just a horny one

Don't agree at all - bookshops and libraries have children's and young adult sections and while of course teenagers and children do (and absolutely should) read some adult books (not this one obv), that doesn't mean this is being marketed to them.

@@nedstrange8078that's definitely true. But I'm thinking more about the "BookTok" sections that bookstores have these days where the genres aren't clearly defined and have a mixture of books which are appropriate for a younger audience as well as inappropriate. It may just be the book stores I frequent that aren't categorizing these books properly though

pastels = feminine. they're being written by women for women and marketed to women, not children. infantilisation of female media is the problem, not a book cover trend

@@nedstrange8078 It depends on where you come from. The libraries I know have a children's section but none for older Teenagers. YA is mixed with adult books and only devided by genre like romance or fantasy. However, books are marketed through their names and covers because every genre has a "signature" style when it comes to the title and the cover. This means that one could take a random book and sort it into the genre only by looking at the cover. That is part of marketing. these books are designed in a way that is usual for YA romance and not adult books.

Why can’t people leave the dark romance alone? Why. W H Y

​@@notllikethat The mmc is a rapist and people keep defending it, why not just clown on this *one author*