Boox Tab Ultra C Pro - Better than the Note Air 3 C? 

What would you like to see in an e-Ink PC? Let me know below

the trackpad is faster in the browser because the refresh mode is different compared to the system menu. ultrafast would be the most ideal refresh mode for trackpad use

Thank you so much for this honest comparison!

From what I have seen, you can adjust the mouse to become more responsive. Though I am waiting for an updated 13.3 inch reader. My primary use case is reading and marking up PDFs so I need the full A4 size. I was looking forward to a new color Quaderno but that apparently got canceled. Hopefully there is something good on the horizon.

What is the reading experience ultra c pro vs air 3 c? I see there is color difference between this two, is this going to make the difference? Thank you.

Is it possible to extend to an external display? The cursor would be perfectly normal on a traditional monitor.

as a ultra c user, I wish they could make a 13inch color eink device like this. it will be a very good combo with mini C. mini c is very portable for mobile phone type of useage, browering web , take to bedroom before sleep, listen to audio book and a very ipad mini type of useage. plus, i won't worried like before about my kid watching peppa pig with the servieable color eink screen.

What is the camera like? Is it good enough to take a picture of a lecture whiteboard from 5-10meters away in good light?

Great video! Thanks for covering most of the aspects between the devices :) I'm still waiting on my review device to arrive, since Norwegian post service has decided that since Wednesday it was already weekend of them and that they'll maybe bother to deliver it next week, if they can be bothered that is :D

Nice thorough review, good sound. I think you should use a little more discretion and cut out the slow parts (unwrapping plastic, waiting for things to load etc) or maybe speed up those parts. Just personal taste but I prefer a bit faster pacing in my product reviews. Also if its possible to screen capture on the devices (maybe output capture?) while you're using them it would be great to not rely only on your 1 camera angle and have the screen capture showing real-time use on 1 side while you're handling the device. Animation overlays on your key points would make it a more memorable and immersive review. When cutting back to your face I would either go dead center angle or go off to 1 side of the screen (check out rule of 3rds). Best of luck growing the channel.

Really nervous about the strength of the device with no good cases on the market for it and so many reviews saying yhe screen shatters. Im on the go 24/7 do ylu think it could hold up?

Which one would be better to use Anki flashcard app 8 hours daily?

Can you fold keyboard behind the screen so you can hand write notes or does it still register key presses like that? Meaning do I need to take it out of the keyboard case to use for hand written notes.

Very Well Done ! ......... thank you

I think there are settings to improve the trackpad you could explore. Amazon has the keyboard cover for an extra $150, FYI.

Great review as always. I have a dumb question though, my main use case for either of these devices is to take math notes with all its associated symbols and render it as a pdf or latex. Does anyone know if this is possible?

That style of trackpad, has a “diving board “ mechanism where the top is a hinge and the bottom are the actual buttons. Some cheaper laptops tend to use this type

can you do a more detailed deeper dive on the Note Air 3 C. I just got it and I also have the remarkable 2. My use case is note-taking-driven. But I'm struggling with which to prefer... If you have videos already please link them here as well thanks.

time 31:19 comparison tab ultra c and note air 3 c. why the writing indicates model: tab ultra and ultra c?

Could you please check if the new air c and ultra c pro will output to tvs or monitors through usb c? It would be really nice for me to use that function at work for me... If it can, I'm likely getting the air c and just use a separate keyboard.

Thanks for this great video! Would you regard either the Note Air 3 C or the Tab Ultra C Pro as a good device for mind mapping?

Thank you for the comparison. My primary use case is both handwriting and typing. Hence I want a mix of the Tab Ultra Pro and the Note 3. As much as I want a pen-to-paper feel, I also want a keyboard folio. So I guess I have 3 options - 1. Wait for Boox to make the mix device. 2. Buy Tab Ultra Pro, apply pen-to-paper screen cover 3. Buy Note Air 3, buy Bluetooth aftermarket keyboard folio (don't know if one exists) And wait, I want a b/w version. Until all this is met, I will continue using my Microsoft Surface Pro and Galaxy S23 Ultra :(

Does it come with a cover similar to the Note Air 3 C? Ie. If you don't get the keyboard case.

Which one would you rather buy if you can only pick one. Remarkable 2 or TUCP?

9:39 some of the best ASMR to ever reach my ears

It's an interesting concept laptop /e-ink, but the lag is an issue.

How is the color reproduction between these two? I have a Tab Mini C and a Note Air 3C, and the mini C has significantly more vivid colors

My use case is something to replace my phone for reading news and social media in the evening, to reduce strain on eyes from LCD screen. Which one is for me? 🤔 Thank you!

what difference in antutu scores?

If the e ink screen technology takes a massive leap forwards, and yes, I know thats a big if... I can see many PC/Mac manufacturers offering us *real PC power with an e-ink screen option,* but if its left to our current e-ink manufacturers, I guess we'd all bet on Boox getting anywhere near that reality first. Really, you'd think Lenovo would be well suited for prime position if they got their act together, but with their latest attempt, thats not looking very likely.

Why do the Tab Ultra C Pro exists? What cant I do on the Note Air 3 C that I can on the Ultra C Pro?

I bought one Boox Ultra Tab C Pro; but the battery just last 11hrs with wifi on and 2 apps running. I asked for a return at day 15. The customer service tried many things to deny the request. I had to file a purchase dispute with my credit company. The battery is bad; it does not support normal operation.

Why their website is so confusing - does note air 3c support same keyboard case which they show in ultra 3c pro - in images for ultra 3c pro they show keyboard case but also show that as an accessory as well

Anyone installed samsung notes on the Boox Tab Ultra C Pro?

Right at the beginning you called that USB cable the wrong thing. It's a usb-c to usb-a (3.0), NOT usb-b.

Do you notice any lag when typing more than just a few lines--like a long email or a letter?

Would really love for Boox to stay more up to date with the new android versions at the least. Would really love it though if they made their own Debian Linux Distribution, or just a Desktop Environment at least I could really see that catching on with Homelab and IT enthusiasts. Especially if it were to work on an ARM cpu to continue with the energy efficiency of E ink screens. I feel they are really on to something though

Interesting video. I think for an eink PC, they need a more PC like Operating System. Android is not really built for PCs. Next option would be ChromeOS. Could also try Windows. For the Box Tab Ultra C Pro, they need a better keyboard case design that is closer to a laptop.. Maybe a Magic Keyboard style approach. Helps with portability

I really want eink laptop!

A firmware update is need in Boox note taking app : 1. The ability to create table of contents like in superonte a5x and a6x 2. link star should be like supernote do you could know it is registered.

I'm a TUC user. The constant iteration didn't fall well with me. I ordered a Supernote and I'll be trying it out for a couple weeks. If I find it as good as others say, I'm selling my TUC.

that delay just turns me off. I like TLC's approach better, a hybrid between lcd and paperink called NXTPAPER. its not the same as looking at a paperink, but it is significantly better one the eyes compared to traditional LCD. but without any of the delay that a paperink has. Id like to see you review that device at some point, either tcl nxtpaper 11 or the 12 pro.

Hi Brandon. I want to ask you advide. I have the NA3C for less than a month and I love it. However as I need to have 2 to 3 very large college ebooks opened plus the note writing app, I found the device gets quite slow and sluggish. I used the cpu-z app to understand how much ram it was using with those apps and e-books loaded in memory and out of the 4gb I had only 0.8gb left of available ram; so me not being an expert in hardware/system performance, I inferred low ram being the main issue for the slowness. Hence, I am willing to return my na3c and get the tab ultra c pro assuming the performance would improve for my use case by having the extra 2gb ram and slight faster processor. Here is my question: how bad is it to take notes on the TUC pro on a flat surface without a case? I know it sounds crazy but I must use the device without a case/cover (medical/physical limiation reasons). But having read about the wobbling created by the camera bump, I wonder how bad this really is? Can you simply get used to taking notes with the wobbling or is it just too annoying and distracting, cumbersome to the point where the only alternative is to have a cover? Can the wobbling be overcome by simply getting used to it or another workaround, or is the design makes writing on a flat surface simply impractical? My iPad has a camera and it’s about +-2.5mm high and it’s not all that bad to write on it, but TUC pro camera bump looks more like 5-6mm?? I was hoping you could provide your take on this since in more detail. You did mention briefly about the wobbling in one of your videos, but didn't go into much detail, and I was hoping you could give me your advice as to whether the camera bump is really a deal-breaker for those wanting to use it without a case/cover. I would appreciate your honest perspective and insight on this as it would help me make an educated decision. Thanks for the great work and amazing content produced.

Trackpads usually have the buttons at the bottom, not the top. So it's interesting that you struggled with it so much...

Most importantly, what glasses do you wear? I'm looking for a new pair lol

In my humble opinion, the Tab Ultra C Pro is the wrong way to go. If I want something PC-like that is handy and light, I grab a 13" MacBook Air, which is very versatile. For reading and note-taking, I would go with the Note Air 3 C (battery life should be optimized here - compared to a Note 3 - maybe a slightly larger battery). The Tab Ultra C Pro is too expensive for its limited capabilities, especially compared to the Note Air 3 C. I think the Note Air 3 C is the way to go, here Boox should work on the details to further improve the nice device.

Wow, you are cute. Thanks for the awesome review!

Finally, they upgraded the Ultra Tab C to a Pro version. But still, I'm thinking about buying an e-ink tablet or an iPad

I have the older TUC and I won't upgrade until the next one instead of this Pro.

That is a USB-A to USB-C cable not a USB-B... B isn't commonly used anymore and historically was used mainly for peripherals like printers.

assume bro thank you for videos😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

you need to read or see the tutorial from goodereader about that mouse settings.

The home screen on the Tab Ultra C Pro looks more organized. Notes, Library in separate smaller windows. Apps below. Is this unique to the Pro series or is this configurable in the NA3C?

Got some useful info, couldn't finish it. You can do better review for half the time, I guess.

Why is boox releasing like 5 tablets every month? Is there a yearly quota on this 😂

Palm rejection?

Compared to the Remarkable keyboard case the Boox designs leave me ...meh. It isn't that it is bad it is just not as elegant a solution because I cant leave the tablet section connected and simply slide the screen over the keyboard to use it as a tablet alone. Remarkable has fallen behind in the functions category and the paywall is galling but their designs are very nice.

That trackpad is a deal killer: no haptic feedback, massive lag on use so ZERO precision. Either there's friction in connection with the keyboard cover, or the internal CPU just isn't capable of keeping up with... a trackpad??? Slower on the Android homescreen than in the apps. That suggests there's a software issue. And inconsistency bottom to top half of the mousepad points to a different hardware issue with the mousepad. The fact this got past R&D then production QC: that points to a problem with manufacturing. I'd like to see Brandon test an external Bluetooth mouse, see if it suffers the same lag. "You could probably get away with this..." - Yeah, NO. Not for the price - same as a decent Windows laptop. Sure they've got some internal custom software, and yes they've designed for a smaller market. But the screen is actually cheaper than on the standard equivalent Windows laptop (Lenovo, Dell or Acer...). Nice you get Android 12 with the new one. Another deal-breaker: I want to know I'll get software updates. Why no updates? In today's security environment security updates AND base OS upgrades are an absolute MUST. j"Battery life is the thing to watch out for on these devices..." OK. So what the hell IS battery life? THere's a lot of room for an updated more complete review of the Ultra C Pro. That said, the comparison between all three devices was helpful. Thanks.

my note air 2 bent super easy, id say be careful with that series

Can one watch video on the tablet

If you want to comapre the Ultra C with the Ultra C Pro: You pay 50$ more for: 1Ghz CPU more, 2Gb Ram more, 30g lighter, 0.1mm thinner and Android 12 instead of 11. On paper totally worth it in my eyes. However: you actually loose quite a bit of battery-power: 4600mAh instead of 6300mAh. The new cpu may help with that...however android12 with it's apps probably not. I'd exspect less work time before recharging...dunno if that's worth the 0,1mm and 30g you save in dimension. The older Ultra C might become cheaper over time and actually might be a better deal for you with the better battery and only minor differences in hardware. The jump between the new and the old Note was obvs. bigger with colour screen etc.

Boox accessories are of a very basic quality, my Ultra keyboard has an important issue with most keys not registering or getting somewhat stuck, and I use it not too often (so, not from wear or dust)

LOL They are NOT BOTH 499 :D 599 VS 499 for the NA3C Also I am surprised you would pick the NA3C versus the TUC; as the former battery life is horrible. Maybe you do not walk around a lot, but if you do, the NA3C is not feasible for many people that actually work away from a plug; and the extra hassle to have a keyboard to carry around, if you need one, is also something to consider. I prefer the format of the NA3C all day, as the TUC is ugly at best; but the NA3C range is about half of the TUC... which is already pretty bad compared to the NA2+, so you lose a lot in terms of battery life, and people buy eink devices also to go on for weeks without recharge the device.

Bought Tab Ultra C Pro . Nothing is Pro about this thing. Writing experience is VERY BAD. Noteshelf 3 on Ipad is years a head ; better response , much better letancy , much better accuracy , much much better app. I use sensetivity on , 0.7 thicknes , fountain pen on the noteshelf 3 on my Ipad as a normal handwriting and the results are much more precise and easier to write and much better print results then the Boox. You tube Vlogers don't tell you the all truth. The E ink devices sucks for writing. I was a fool to buy it. TRY BEFORE YOU BUY - BOTH IPAD PEN ON NOTESHELF 3 AND E- INK DEVICE AND SEE FOR YOUSELF !!!

Boox suggesting the TUC (pro) is a 'PC' is nearly laughable. Compared to a Microsoft Surface or Samsung Tab S7/8/9 series, these e-ink devices are 'stone age' in performance and overall functionality. In my view, e-ink is best used for reading and writing. In that use case scenario, they are excellent, but even then, the lack of windowing can be cumbersome. Split screen is somewhat usable, but even that is wrought with technical problems.

that doesn't look like a keyboard, looks like a baby keyboard?! What is the size factor compared to a full sized keyboard? For someone who types a lot this matters. Can you connect this to a full sized BT keyboard? If so, then why should it matter at all that it comes with a keyboard cover?!?

Nope, its not a PC, its just for media consumption. Even the top ipad or android tab are no where bear the productivity of Surface Pro or Macbook. So would rather say its a eye friendly tablet replacement.

Bro, that wire is USB-A to USB-C. USB-B is very uncommon and is shaped like a square.

What would I like to see in an e-Ink PC? In an e-Ink PC Review? YOU ASKED, Brandon. 1) You're left-handed, so like me must surely have noticed that palm rejection on devices can work fine Right-handed but not-so-much for left. For instance, the handwriting functionality of OneNote on my Samsung Galaxy Fold 4 is almost useable, right-handed. NO WAY is it when used with the stylus in my LEFT hand. Go figure. On a Lenovo Laptop, OneNote displays the same dysfunctional profile. But more so: a Windows hybrid with touch-screen can in theory act the same as an Android tablet, but in practice, Windows sucks as a tablet operating system. So as a Lefty, please COMMENT on palm rejection and how functional handwriting actually IS on these things. Kit & Vaja do good overview reviews but they don't get this. 2) You ALL seem to do video-assisted show-&-tell that repeats the info we can get from manufacturers' spec sheets & web sites. You add some personal opinion based on what's important to you. That IS useful, but frankly pretty lame. I see lots of feedback in Reddit streams that mirror my own experience: we can't tell whether - in REAL USE - these things are at all functional! Here's an example use case: Zettelkasten workflow. Zettelkasten (for other readers' benefit - I assume you know this) is a German name for a very old & incredibly effective system for writing articles & books. Originally - as an analogue system - it used recipe cards (3x5 or 2x4) to capture quick atomic notes from read documents. Each card captures some text from the document (which you have to hand-write of course), some annotation (your take on the author's content), a headline or tag, and bibliographic reference (name of source; where in the source) so attribution can be provided later. As your research progresses you guide the process by reference to your thesis statement for the work in progress. You create an outline based on that, sort cards into decks for each section in your outline, shuffle repeatedly & move items around to create an organized flow to your content. When the research process is done, you have a Thesis Statement, an Outline (your table of contents), and a deck of cards sorted into different stacks for each section of the outline. I would do the re-organizing & shuffling on my dorm bed or floor. Flip over a card, start typing. Keep flipping & typing. End result: a magnificently organized document or book that is organized, flows, is easy to digest as a reader. Over time you keep these card decks, add new cards with every project but over time you have a Personal Knowledge Management System (PKMS) of card decks. It's possible to recreate this system in software but capable software apps to do it were VERY hard to find. Both EccoPro & InfoQube offer robust outlining (1 and 2-pane outliners - that's unique), and InfoQube builds on EccoPro's functionality by offering better data management in volume. Build & write documents in EccoPro, but it's unstable if you start building that PKMS over the years. Notion & Obsidian & Lattics are apps designed to address this workflow slightly differently: they handle data volumes well, but lack a robust outliner. Instead they offer graph view, which is great for brainstorming & drawing connections, but lousy for organizing an actual workflow for writing. None of these apps' functions are offered in the proprietary software provided by Boox, or by Supernote or reMarkable, for that matter. All these devices are note-taking replacements for paper; they also function as e-Readers. Another reason for using an external device for organizing/writing: capable as they are, Boox devices are NOT state-of-the-art hardware, have limited RAM. As pointed out below by @flavioortolano in his/her comment, they can't open more than one or two documents at a time due to RAM limitations. The data manipulation part of my workflow - using an outliner or graph view in Lattics or Obsidian, etc. - is RAM-intensive, RAM-bound. I can predict it'll CRAWL on a Boox, or simply fail for large amounts of data. So we have to be able to export those atomic notes out of Boox and into something else, on Android, Apple or Windows. WE NEED THE WORKFLOW. WE NEED TO KNOW e-INK DEVICES SUPPORT THE WORKFLOW. So: 1) can we read PDFs & EPUB docs on a given device (esp. Boox since that's the one I think is likeliest to support all this). 2) Can we hightlight text on a document, annotate with a note, and have the note automatically document WHERE in the document it occurs? 3) Can we export our annotated hightlighted text with notes as separate items, with bibliographic tags to support later attribution? 4) Can we then READ & USE those notes with associated captured text snippets in external software on Android & PC or Apple? Boox offers an Android device with stock Android 12, so I know it'll support some of the application software referenced. I prefer Windows for writing with InfoCube & EccoPro, but that's me. Others will prefer Microsoft Word or Scrivener for lengthy documents, or something else on their Apple laptops or iPads. PLEASE test the whole workflow & review it to demonstrate it ALL works AS A WORKFLOW. I've watched many RU-vid reviews of e-Ink devices. Have not yet seen a review that demonstrates a functional workflow, with very limited exceptions. Reddit is full of complaints from people who bought an e-Ink device & found it doesn't provide functional support for THEIR use-case. I've provided mine. It's a pretty popular use-case, one that is currently seeing widespread adoption & user demand. PLEASE could you demonstrate such a workflow? For outline manipulation you can just use OneNote or Microsoft Word - both offer an outline mode that isn't very robust, but is more than sufficient to demonstrate whether export to a Zettelkasten app will work. THANK YOU. I look forward to following your reviews - especially the one requested. All the best!

To me if you want an eink PC you want to get a Microsoft Surface and want to put an eink screen on it; that is the only thing needed. You need to run Windows or a version of windows optimized for eink display, so you can leverage the pen for apps that normally use touch. This is the biggest limit of almost every eink tablet that try to use Android. As Microsoft write their own OS, they could do that; but these small companies making eink devices will never be able to make partnership with something like Google or Microsoft to optimize their OS for eink, so apps can run at decent speed, so they are forced to add stuff like extra GPU just to force refresh, like the Boox devices do (and then most apps looks bad because the pen has delay no matter how many GPU you put in it, unless you use their first party apps). There is no workaround; for joking about serious work, you can use these toys for email and presentations; if this is your "work" then you are good to go with this and call it a PC; but if you are a professional that need to run more applications than a browser, a mail client and a productivity suite, these are toys, not PC, and you need a real machine that run something like Linux or Windows.

If by "true PC" you mean Windows PC, then... maybe? Microsoft has tried to conquer the ARM market for many years now (remember Windows RT?), but failed due to their lukewarm efforts, the loss of legacy apps (yes, I still use programs from twenty years ago; dictionaries, mostly), and the poor performance of ARM chips. Buuut the Snapdragon X Elite PC chipset, though not as great as Qualcomm makes it to be, should solve the "poor performance" roadblock. After that, it'll depend on Microsoft's efforts, both with regard to the ARM version of Windows 12 and with regard to the incentives they'll be willing to offer developers and manufacturers. I remember when Microsoft updated Office for iPhone before Office for Windows Phone -- if even Microsoft didn't believe in their own platform, why should anyone else? When companies see how ephemeral Microsoft products can be, they can be weary of investing in them. Lenovo was burned with Windows 10X, for instance.

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