*Correction for the beginning: Team Dogura is actually Team C (not Team B). Incidentally, their team name is "Only Dogura is in Team B" TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Start 0:50 - Game 1 3:05 - Game 2 6:28 - Game 3 9:44 - Botan's Reaction 12:02 - Korone's Reaction 12:35 - Matches 2 3 & 4 13:52 - Captain Showdown 17:10 - Vice Captain Challenge 20:12 - Team Dogura's Reaction 21:00 - 2nd Vice Captain Challenge 22:37 - 1st Place
the confusion, or rather the joke, comes from when they announced the teams and the players, dogura made a tweet saying that team b wouldn't lose. then he immediately noticed his mistake, deleted the previous tweet and tweeted again: "team b?? who said anything about team b, we're team c baby!" that's how their team name came about
Some analysis in simple terms for people who don’t play fighting games: Botan’s match is very interesting because there are several patterns of play on both sides that point to specific pieces of preparation and adaptation by the competitors. Botan is playing as Marisa, a character that favors straightforward aggression. Marisa lacks defensive tools and has slightly below-average speed, but compensates with forward-moving attacks with high range, knock-back and damage. Bodoka is playing as Lily, a character that favors tactical maneuvering. Lily is an unusual character, she lacks a lot of standard tools that are generally considered valuable in Street Fighter 6 and has difficulty finding opportunities for big damage, but she can overwhelm opponents by attacking at surprising ranges and timings. 1:02 - As the match opens, we can immediately see what Botan’s game plan is: use Marisa’s forward-moving attacks to force Bodoka into the corner, then shower him with offensive pressure. However, we can also see Bodoka’s game plan: alternate between slow defensive and fast offensive play. Bodoka blocks and pokes at Botan from afar with Lily’s far-reaching Heavy normals, then dives in with Condor Spire to pressure her with Light attacks. These are both very standard, very solid strategies for their respective characters. 1:10 - Here we see the first signs of the primary weakness in Botan’s gameplan: she is capable of driving Bodoka into the corner, but she appears to be uncomfortable with crossing from midrange to the close-range she needs to be at to connect with the Light attacks she’s most comfortable using. The simple act of walking up to an opponent is a deceptively intense challenge of a player’s game knowledge, reaction speed and situational awareness. Throughout the match, when she is at the mid-range, Botan will either press Light attack, use a forward-moving attack or jump at Bodoka. These methods have the potential to work, but only situationally, and they are generally not a good fit against Bodoka when he rotates to his slow, defensive position. 1:44 - Another weakness in Botan’s game plan is that she’s spending a lot of her Drive Meter to try and cover distance very quickly. As a result, she drives herself into Burnout, which weakens her defensively and gives Bodoka a big opportunity to switch to offense. 1:52 - Botan demonstrates good situational awareness and corner defense here. Since she is in Burnout, she is especially vulnerable to getting hit with a Drive Impact, as she has very few options to counter it and she will be stunned if she is hit by it, even if she blocks it. She jumps and gets hit out of the air, but this is still theoretically a good choice because it would have dodged a Drive Impact. As she gets off the ground, Bodoka activates Drive Impact, but Botan immediately interrupts it with a throw, one of the only options that would work in that scenario - it would also counter an attempt by Bodoka to throw her. Botan plays aggressively from there with jumping attacks, which causes Bodoka to switch back to his defensive mode even though Botan is still in Burnout. Hence, Botan successfully fights her way out of a bad spot. 2:06 - This is an excellent defensive play by Botan. Bodoka has two Windclad stocks, meaning that his next two Condor Spires are stronger and will always allow him to act first if they are blocked. Bodoka uses Condor Spire and then uses Light attacks, then Condor Spires again and uses a Command Grab, which cannot be blocked. This is a bread-and-butter Lily setup that conditions opponents to block and then takes immediate advantage of that conditioning. However, Botan does not fall for this, she blocks the Condor Spires and the Light attacks but jumps to escape the Command Grab. This is indicative of good intuition and situational awareness. 2:30 - Here we can see an attempted adaptation by Botan. She Drives Rushes in to the midrange, then immediately attempts a Drive Parry. This appears to be an attempt to defend against Lily’s far-reaching pokes, and it could work if Bodoka was trying to counterattack Botan’s Drive Rush. However, Bodoka is too patient in his defensive mode, and though Botan will attempt this maneuver a few more times in the match, it does not succeed. 3:23 - This is Botan’s game plan at its most successful, she has Bodoka in the corner and is hammering away at him for huge damage. Just look at how Bodoka’s health lead melts away over the next fifteen seconds. 3:43 - Another, much more successful adaptation by Botan. Once again, Bodoka has switched to his offensive mode with two Windclad stocks, Botan doesn’t block the first Condor Spire, but after blocking some Light attacks, she jumps backward to dodge the second Condor Spire and hit Bodoka on the way down as a combo starter. She does this several more times throughout the match, and though it’s not always successful, it makes it more difficult for Bodoka to execute the offensive side of his game plan. This might actually be what her teammates are referring to at 10:40. 5:15 - This section is very interesting for reasons that are very hard to see. Bodoka once again goes on the offense with two Windclad stocks: Condor Spire, Light attacks, Condor Spire. Botan once again tries to dodge the second Condor Spire with a jump. However, Botan is in Burnout, so her hitstun from the Light attacks is longer than normal, and she cannot jump in time. Botan is once again in danger because she is in the corner while in the Burnout state. Bodoka, anticipating that Botan might immediately jump or use a throw again to counter a Drive Impact, jumps as Botan gets up to hit her either in mid-air or as she recovers from the whiffed throw. However, Botan chose neither and has the opportunity to hit Bodoka in mid-air, which she tries to do with her Level 3 Super. However Botan actually misses! Marisa’s Level 3 has a slow startup, so Bodoka lands on the ground before it hits him and he could have blocked it. It appears that Bodoka panicked and tried to jump again instead, which took too long and resulted in him getting hit anyway. 6:12 - This moment points to a critical weakness for Botan. She has jumped straight up at the best possible timing; she is airborne while her opponent is in a long recovery animation, giving her an opportunity for a high damage combo with an air attack starter. However, Botan does not know what combo to use. In a panic, she uses a Light air attack and then immediately jumps for another Light air attack, squandering what should have been an opportunity to win the round. Though Botan wins this round anyway, her inability to capitalize on this scenario is a significant issue. 6:33 - Botan does attempt to improve the next time she’s in this position. Once again, she has jumped straight up at a good time and Bodoka is in an extended recovery animation. Botan attempts to use Heavy Attacks for a big damage combo. However, this is actually a mistake; Marisa’s Heavy Punch in the air does not combo into her Heavy Kick on the ground, so Bodoka is able to recover and block. Botan actually needs to use a Heavy attack in the air but a Medium combo on the ground, but she does not realize this. 9:27 - This is the most heartbreaking moment of the match for me. Botan has once again jumped straight up at the right time and Bodoka is in a recovery animation. If Botan reacts correctly here, she can hit Bodoka with a big enough combo to end the round and win. However, Botan does not know the right combo to use here and once again tries to use Heavy attacks. Not only would this not have been a true combo, Botan presses her Heavy Punch in the air too late and lands on the ground before the attack connects, so she does not hit Bodoka at all. Botan fought well and made some great strategic adaptations, but ultimately there were too many holes in her game plan and she was unable to take advantage of the opportunities she created for herself.
Yeah, watching this match and not really knowing whether VDK is an FGC/Street Fighter pro or not, Botan still puts up a good fight and also clearly has a lot better idea of the fundamentals than I do, but also at the same time doesn't necessarily have a lot of experience with Street Fighter or SF6 specifically with its kind of weird new features. The amount of time she spends in burnout really really hurt her in these matches, due to using her Drive gauge constantly for offense and just doing normal blocks for defense instead of trying to refill her bars with Drive Parries (which is still a weird concept to me too, coming from games like Guilty Gear where the special blocks drain the gauge instead of refilling it). Overall a really close set of matches and good plays at least to a casual eye on her end. Thanks for the more in depth writeup btw, since it helps someone at the more casual level like me have a better understanding of the specifics of where things went wrong.
We're normally used to Botan being the cool, unflappable gaming lion, so it really hurts hearing her breakdown in such a raw manner. Between that and Korone tearfully empathizing with Botan's feelings of frustration, you can see how fighting game tournament pressure is really scary. Thankfully, this ended in a heartwarming finale after all those exciting matches filled with adrenaline, cheers and frustrations.
It's not just fighting game. It's all kinds of competition. These talents want to win and they practice to win. Fubuki cried for a Mario kart tournament years ago.
To be fair: this was a really healthy crying. Part of it was obviously frustration, but a lot of it was just releasing all the emotions repressed while she was focusing on the match. The first chance she could relax it all just came out through her tearducts.
It's crazy... I have NEVER seen botan show such raw emotion. To all the people that are seeing this on the outside, if you have never lost in a fighting game, especially in a tournament, it is very challenging to let go. Botan is way better than me at a fighting game that I wish to get good at if I had time to put in. Botan should be proud of that and continue to play. Korone too. You can't be the best if you don't learn from your loses.
It hurts to see, but crying shouldn't be seen as a bad thing. It shows the effort and heart that Botan put into the matches and it's a cathartic way to relieve those feelings of emotions after failing. Failing is a part of life and as long as she gets back and tries again, there's nothing to be ashamed of.
What you said reminds me of what rpr said when he watched Towa crying. It's true that sometimes you have to let those bad feelings out, so crying is not always a bad thing.
I'm *VERY* glad you included the important context of the final matches (Dogura's), cause it shows that despite the frustration, she still had a blast at the tournament and really loved her team. Other clippers are simply showing her crying and nothing else, making it seem like she had a negative experience at CR Cup, which could not be farther from the truth (as she said herself). EDIT: also, unrelated, but I'm fairly certain "bodoka" is supposed to be "vodka" in Japanglish lol
Yeah, I really wanted to show the full context of this part of the tournament. Not just her frustration, but just as importantly, her enjoyment at end, despite Dogura losing in an upset against sasatikk. And I feel like that story can only really be told in a longer video. I already had trouble cutting down the video to just 23 minutes. Cutting out any more would've felt like a massive disservice to Botan, the teams, and the whole arc in general. (Also, yeah lol. It's 'Vodka', or VDK. I was thrown for a loop 'cuz vodka is usually pronounced 'Wokka' (ウォッカ) in Japanese, and I wasn't too familiar with him. He's apparently a really famous streamer)
@@JShayToo It also helps show that she's not the odd one out with feeling frustrated with herself. Dogura is pretty crashed out after his loss in the challenger round, etc. Botan crying from the frustration and pressure really isn't that different than that, if a bit more shocking, because she's usually so low key at least while in the middle of things. Its probably good that she let it out after the fact anyways, instead of just dwelling on it in silence.
while it really hurt to hear her cry as hard and as long as she did, I am glad that she was able to get it all out, and release her emotions. She always works as hard as possible whenever she is in a tournament setting, and she may have felt she disappointed everyone. I am super proud of how hard she worked, and that she still did as well as she could in a professional tournament.
Man, I haven't cried like Botan did in a long time, but I totally get the frustration. She did her best, it was super close! That bracket as a whole was awesome, thank you for the clip!
Botan had really cried like this one other time on stream, Coco's graduation. As a long time SSRB, it really hurts when hear her cry but at the same time that we know she will come back stronger than ever. Her game sense and ability to adept is second to none in Hololive. She will only get better from this.
Thing is it wasn’t somebody it was herself that made her cry, she was crying because she knew she could do better but couldn’t do it live. Its a shit feeling i bet aloooot of ranked players can relate to in a promo game, where YOU could win it for your team and carry, but fumble it. Or worse when everyone is doing well and YOU drag them down. It Hurts soooo bad man. And thats when your ALONE in your room lol
@@hieioni3354 Now we need someone else to reply to your reply with: “Nah actually she cries because of X. To complete our chain of arrogance, for acting like we know whats in Botans head. lol 😂
The emotions are strong, I never thought that I would see Botan cry These are healthy tears. I’m even glad that she decided to cry, it will make her feel better. If she could hold back her tears, it could turn into stress.
Thank you for this coverage, this gives a lot more context around the atmosphere of these competitions and just how high emotions rise. Including Koro-san's coverage was helpful too
Man, can really feel Botan's frustration and desire to win in that breakdown. I really treasure the moments when she joins serious competitive efforts like this, and she's a gamer through and through. I don't know much about SF6 or fighter games in general, but that was a fun watch, thank you!
@@sleepfgc I'd love to try SF6 after watching them play it, but it's 60$ on steam. Never spent on a game before, not sure if I'm willing to spend that much...
@@danielliang9266 whether it's street fighter, tekken or guilty gear, the previous games in the franchise have insane discounts and are really cheap during sales (at least the base games, without dlc), and give you a pretty similar feeling to the latest game.
I absolutely loved the last CR cup and the moments that came out of it, but as I'm not too good at Japanese, this type of translation is exactly what I need to be able to properly watch it. The different POVs are just amazing inclusions too. I really can't thank you enough for your work and I hope we see much more like this! ❤
Competetive fighting game tournament is quite a thing, isn't it? it's rough to lose, but that's just how it is. Botan gave it her very best and it's commendable.
In competitive fighting game tournaments, losing doesn't mean you're a loser. The Daigo Counter proved that (both Daigo and Justin Wong lost in that tournament)
thanky you for covering this! Botan did so well, but the opponent was also just as good. and thus was an insanely close fight holy- the way Botan was laughing through tears breaks my heart. everyone did their best! oh and thank you for also including the rest of the matches!!
Man, what an emotional rollercoaster of a time! Thanks _SO_ much for putting this together. It was a spectacular way to get an overview of the whole event.
@@AmekiClips Marisa's specialty is overwhelming power so she doesn't have a lot of combos to use. She's a very limited character. But if you can master her, she would be a FRIGHTENING character to face.
@@AmekiClips On the Contrary Marissa is the easiest to Master and one of most newbie friendly characters to play in the game. That's why you see her played most in the tournament. But, in the end the players that put more time in the game won coz of experience. Botan even tho practiced hard it wasn't enough given the limited time she had. Still tho she put up a good match with the limited knowledge she had, next time for sure Botan's Marissa will be stronger.
In case people are wondering a lot jp tournamenrs are like this. Its not just for fighting games. Even streamer tournaments are very competitive theh have pride in winning and frustrated when losing
What I love about watching JP tournaments is that they put just the right amount of competitiveness and having fun. It's not overly sweaty or toxic, yet I can still feel their determination to win and to entertain viewers at the same time.
It's easy to believe that Botan is some kind of emotionless, powerful lion that's always cool and collected. When you see some of her earlier FPS streams, the way she'd cruise around and take people out really made you think she was fearless. But that personality always hides a lot of passion, love, and kindness towards others. Look at the Gen 5 yearly celebrations where Botan made ramen bowls one year, then chopsticks this year. Look at how she spoke from the heart when saying goodbye to Coco when several of them met in ARK. She said one of her regrets was not saying goodbye to her father when he was passing away when asked of a sin when in the recent Minecraft Haunted House. And you can see here, she was overwhelmed with emotion and frustration - some relief too I'm sure - of how she just couldn't quite overcome the opponent. She did really well and had an amazing journey to get there, and I hope she rested well afterwards. Botan has a very kind heart and beautiful soul. And it was really wonderful to see Korone cheering her on! Thank you for the long video and showing the fights!
ive been involved in a tekken 7 tournament on my school once, people were shouting and cheering. And yes, the pressure is real, some people were rooting for me and i was shaking the whole time. I totally understand her feeling lmao
Botan takes team tournaments like this very seriously. It's also why she doesn't participate in stuff like APEX tournaments, as she didn't feel like she would have enough time to practice and would fear letting her team down.
wow, that was an incredible event. superb video editing too, JShay! i was captivated from start to finish. thanks for sharing this gem with us. i almost started to cry when botan was sobbing, i felt immersed just as koro-san was watching the intense and close games, and i laughed when dogura-san botched the final game. loved every minute of it. 😁
I just agree with Pekora. After she cried i felt happy to be able to see this side of hers. I just wanted to hold her and tell everything was going to be okay. A rare Botan, indeed. May she be a strong lioness or a silly kitten, every Botan is the best Botan. Truly precious.
this is a precious experience for Botan imo, the feeling in a competition/tournament like this, the frustration, it will make her grow more (if she continue to play the game),.i hope more hololive talents (especially Botan, Korone) would enter more tournament like this
It feels great to hear her cry, she always acts cool. I don't mean this in a bad way but I love it when you feel their emotions, similar to how other vtubers sincerely thank their fans.
I always see botan so cool and cute at the same time but seeing her crying so much make me cry too😢 but she really do her best and all of us fan really happy for her
*This went everywhere, emotional, the challenge and the trust to take on the impossible. We go everywhere. The sadness is real, the fight was real, being gamers isnt a joke, its a job, a lifestyle, not what a stupid government says was violence inducing.*
really wanted to hug botan after seeing this at the stream. you can imagine how she looks and how badly she wanted to win. dogura is such a chad making botan smile despite the loss thanks for translation ❤
A lot of stuff clashed here, frustations is something that builds up and FGC is full of that, everyone has the winner mentality and that ends up making a loss hurt a lot. Ita good to know that botan had a lot of support and still had a blast even after this situation, I hope she feels better now
I don't usually watch Botan, but I understand her feelings. Not only does she feel like she let everyone down, she feels like she was shown that her best is not good enough. But that's not her best! She did amazing, she held out and pushed to match 3! And she can get even better! Faito, Botan!
Hearing Botan cry broke my heart. I'm really proud of her, she did really good! Nothing to be ashamed of and definitely not going to say anything bad about it. I used to play fighting games a lot and I was never even half that good, so I am very impressed and proud of her. Good job, Botan!
I wonder if this was just her body's way of dealing with an adrenaline high. I actually cry and hyperventilate when I get super pissed, and it feels about like how she sounded.
She did her best, and so did the rest of her team. Everyone was supportive from start to finish. I'm glad she gave it her all and I'm hopeful she's not discouraged from trying again, since it can be a lot of pressure.
oh man, I can imagine all that stress bottled up from the training, practice and tournament just came bursting out at that moment. But I have confidence and faith that Botan will come out stronger after this experience!
The doggo and the white lion are so cute. And of course we know you tried your hardest and put in a lotta work Botan. There are gonna be winners and losers in life, and you didn't win this one, but we recognize your hard work.
Botan was really incredible, in a tournament you're not only fighting against your opponent but also against your own nerves. I'm proud of her and I'm glad she had great teammates.
holy smokes I never would've expected Botan of all people to cry so hard over anything, but especially a videogame! She's normally so tough. I guess the feeling of letting down her team really gets to her
Unfortunately i don't have any time to watch anything from Hololive, but their JP stars are absolutely lovely, I end up watching more Korone's stuff on shorts and reels, but from what I've seen Botan has always been an uplifting and lovely person, so all i can say is that i wish her the best
That's kinda a shitty move for the tourny though. Sasatikk had a full round to calm down and recenter and Dogura went from a stressful 2-1 victory straight into another match with placement determining outcomes, and then Team Dogura's VC had to go up against a rested red team captain. seemed set up for failure.
@@Halo003qd dogura is the pro, he is expected to win against sasa-san 100 times out of 100 no matter the circunstances. but that's the cruelty of the FT1 rule. in an explosive game, like sf6, you just don't have enough time to adapt. haitani, the pro who was commentating the event next to yamato, said he met dogura in the backstage after the tournament and told him "that ft1 rule has got to go, bro"
Y'all actually might not know this but she was a semi pro player for rainbow six siege back in the day. Anyone who plays games competitively knows the feelings of frustrations after a close loss. It really fucks with you so much that you lost over 1 round. She did really well for someone who doesn't play fighting games as much. I hope she knows that the her fellow competitive players know she did her best and we love to see her stream. Keep it up Lion.
Oh man that was tough to watch, Botan 😭😭 thank you for such a comprehensive clip of the event! I really felt like I watched it and understood thanks to your subs! As an aside, when are they talking to botan on discord? It seems they’re always in those chairs facing the audience? Or maybe they move at some point?
In some of the shots, like at 13:56, you can see the players holding mics. Less visibly, they also have earphones hooked up. So her team can hear her through their earphones, and she can hear them from their mics
Idk much about Botan's prior experience with fighting games, but she showed some serious mental fortitude in her play for what I can only assume is someone from a beginner/casual level doing this seriously. Fighting games are a whole other level of mental strain in competition, every win and loss feel so surprisingly more personal, doubts can so heavily alter play patterns, and having someone who can capitalize on it only makes it that much more terrifying. She absolutely killed it though, big ups to the lion for putting everything she had out there for her team, and showing us all just how tough she is!
I just love how supportive everyone was for Botan as well as her being genuinely cracked at the game as well as her opponent pulling off some seriously good plays to beat her. Her cry set off the primal dad instincts though as well as hits hard because we've all felt that cry of frustration you can't switch off before, especially with how it comes from the laid back Botan. I'm also interested in how the set up for the matches works on stage with vtubers involved. Is there a rig in the back she's using? Is she remoting in or they've set up a regular online lobby but using the stage machines?
Honestly Korone's summary really hits it home. Every match is so important and the emotional roller coaster is insane. Botan cry that that is really rare, last time I recall was Coco's last few streams in Ark. I hope she wasn't carrying too much by herself.
Botan was super nervous for these matches and hearing her bawl her heart, she clearly put a lot into this emotionally, so when all was done for her she just had to let it all out. Botan is extremely good at keeping it together but she couldn't help but let her frustration show here. It's wonderful to see, in a way, as it shows she clearly had a lot of passion for this tournament and her team and wanted to do well for them. Glad she enjoyed the experience overall, especially since Dogura gave her a smile towards the end. Thanks for the subs!
Thank you for bookmarking all the matches and reactions so clearly btw! As someone who doesn't care about fighting games at all, that made it easy to see just the Botan reaction that was really compelling to me
They are kinda new to fighting games so it is to be expected but I hope this dont make them resent fighting games losing is still part of the path to improve.
Korone cried at their first tourney, Botan cried at this one, and Watame cried seeing the ShishiWata representation at another tourney. Street Fighter is making all the Holomems cry. 😭
Fighting games can make or break you coz it’s just you and your opponent, can’t blame your teammates for the loss. Well played botan and that Lily player.
There must've been so much pressure and anxiety leading up to that, and fighting games like these get the adrenaline going hard, so if anything it was the only way should could ease that much tension. Had a good healthy cry, then back to cool and composed Botan :D
The biggest thing Botan needs to work on is drive meter management. Throughout the whole video i just kept thinking "She's in burnout AGAIN!?" then I realized she keeps drive rushing for no reason and spamming OD punches. If Botan can use her Drive Bars more carefully it will do wonders for her.