BR in the 1980s - The Alan Harrison Collection Part 13 Edinburgh Waverley and Haymarket (Scotrail)

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During the summer of 1986, my good friend Alan travelled around the UK, armed with a hefty VHS camera, recording the railway scene. I'm delighted to be able to bring you the results. In Part 13, Alan visits Edinburgh Waverley and the nearby depot at Haymarket. The first shots are taken in Princess Street Gardens, between the two tunnels, where we see Class 27 and 47 hauled services. Alan than moves to a variety of locations around Waverley Station and captures some classic shots. Amongst others, we see 47716 Duke of Edinburgh's Award propelling a Glasgow bound push pull working, HSTs on East Coast Mainline services, Class 101 Met Cam DMUs on Fife Circle local workings and 47s and 27s on trains to and from Dundee and Carstairs. 26032 and 37011 double head some of the coaches from the Royal Scotsman luxury land cruise train and a pair of Class 20s work cartic wagons. All of this is set against the wonderful backdrop of Edinburgh, with views of Arthur's Seat, the Waverley Hotel, National Art Galley and the Castle. Alan then travels to Haymarket where he once again charms the staff into allowing him to visit the depot! The usual mix of Class 47, 27 and 20 locos are seen under repair, along with an unusual visitor, a class 55 Deltic - presumably 55022 / D900 Royal Scots Grey. Alan also captures some excellent footage of workings passing the depot, including a brilliant shot of 47702 St Cuthbert propelling a Glasgow bound push pull away from Haymarket as an Intercity 125 HST accelerates away from the capital on the parallel line, heading for either Inverness or Aberdeen. Alan returns to Waverley for some more shots in and around the station, including a wonderfully atmospheric shot under the canopy of a pair of Class 27s backing onto a Dundee service. Interestingly, this section finishes with a few more shots taken at Dundee, this time in the evening twilight. Given the time of year and the location, that probably makes it almost 10pm at night! We see 47430 heading for Glasgow with a rake of push pull coaches, presumably standing in for a failed 47/7. 47706 arrives with a terminating service from Glasgow before 27050 heads off on the Perth line. I'd love to hear your thoughts about this video. Please leave comments below. Thank you.
خلال صيف عام 1986 ، سافر صديقي العزيز آلان في جميع أنحاء المملكة المتحدة ، مسلحًا بكاميرا VHS ضخمة ، وسجل مشهد السكك الحديدية. يسعدني أن أكون قادرًا على تقديم النتائج لك. في الجزء 13 ، قام آلان بزيارة إدنبرة ويفرلي والمستودع القريب في هايماركت. تم التقاط اللقطات الأولى في Princess Street Gardens ، بين النفقين ، حيث نرى خدمات النقل من الفئتين 27 و 47. ينتقل آلان إلى مجموعة متنوعة من المواقع حول محطة ويفرلي ويلتقط بعض اللقطات الكلاسيكية. من بين أمور أخرى ، نرى جائزة Duke of Edinburgh's 47716 التي تدفع عمل سحب دفع مقيد في غلاسكو ، و HSTs على خدمات East Coast Mainline ، و Class 101 Met Cam DMUs على أعمال Fife Circle المحلية و 47s و 27s على القطارات من وإلى Dundee و Carstairs. 26032 و 37011 يرأسان بعضًا من الحافلات من قطار الرحلات البرية الفاخر Royal Scotsman وزوج من العربات الكرتونية من فئة 20s. يقع كل هذا على خلفية رائعة من إدنبرة ، مع مناظر مطلة على Arthur's Seat وفندق Waverley و National Art Galley والقلعة. ثم يسافر آلان إلى هايماركت حيث يسحر الموظفين مرة أخرى للسماح له بزيارة المستودع! يُرى المزيج المعتاد من الفئات 47 و 27 و 20 قيد الإصلاح ، جنبًا إلى جنب مع زائر غير عادي ، فئة 55 Deltic - يفترض 55022 / D900 Royal Scots Gray. يلتقط آلان أيضًا بعض اللقطات الممتازة للأعمال التي تمر بالمستودع ، بما في ذلك لقطة رائعة لـ 47702 St Cuthbert تدفع دفعًا مقيدًا في غلاسكو بعيدًا عن Haymarket حيث يتسارع Intercity 125 HST بعيدًا عن العاصمة على الخط الموازي ، متجهًا إما إلى Inverness أو Aberdeen . يعود Alan إلى Waverley للحصول على المزيد من اللقطات داخل المحطة وحولها ، بما في ذلك لقطة رائعة في الغلاف الجوي تحت مظلة زوج من Class 27s يدعمان خدمة Dundee. ومن المثير للاهتمام أن هذا القسم ينتهي ببضع لقطات أخرى تم التقاطها في دندي ، هذه المرة في شفق المساء. بالنظر إلى الوقت من العام والموقع ، فمن المحتمل أن يكون هذا هو الساعة 10 مساءً تقريبًا! نرى 47430 متجهًا إلى جلاسكو بمجموعة من عربات الدفع والسحب ، ويفترض أنها تقف في طريق 47/7 الفاشل. يصل رقم 47706 مع خدمة إنهاء من غلاسكو قبل توجه 27050 على خط بيرث. أود أن أسمع أفكارك حول هذا الفيديو. الرجاء ترك التعليقات أدناه. شكرًا لك.

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@andrewchaston503 3 года назад

I will never forget the 27s on the Waverley/QS. Never.

@michaelfeeney8437 3 года назад

Andrew Chaston Yeah, push-pulls, you might get 27104 at one end and 27204 at the other. Very hard working machines during this era and doing 100mph on most of that route.

@andrewchaston503 3 года назад

@@michaelfeeney8437 pulling out of Haymarket was the best...out of QS total magic!

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Sadly, I never saw those Andrew. Wish I had.

@ReprievedSoul Год назад

Nice shots of the enormous New St Bus depot (SOL Eastern scottisH) at round 8.25 and 8.58 in the film timing. SouthEast of Waverley, right on the Calton Tunnels portals

@davidwolstenholme6413 4 месяца назад

What a splendid video, thoroughly marvellous.

@kartwheelkarl 4 месяца назад

Thank you for your extremely kind comment David. I’m really glad you enjoyed the video. I was encouraged to produce a narrated version of this video - have you watched it? Personally, I prefer the original, without me chattering on over the top! What do you think? I have also produced a narrated version of the Euston episode. A huge amount of work goes into researching and producing the narrated versions, and I have to decide whether it’s worth producing more. I was thinking of perhaps doing some focuses on specific classes of loco, where a collate a selection of Alan’s shots of for instance class 50s or peaks.

@davidwolstenholme6413 4 месяца назад

@kartwheelkarl I haven't seen the narrated version yet, I will look for it, unless you have a link straight there? I think both ideas are excellent and I would watch for certain.

@kartwheelkarl 4 месяца назад

@@davidwolstenholme6413 If you search for “The Alan Harrison Collection NARRATED” you’ll find both videos David.

@simonpoole3053 3 года назад

Dude you bring so much joy and nostalgia with all these videos! Absolutely magic

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Really happy that you're enjoying the collection so much Simon. Thanks for the great comment.

@stephenduncan3605 5 лет назад

The railscene appeared to be much better back then, a heck of alot more interesting for rail enthusiasts that's for sure!

@LothianOwl 5 лет назад

Yes it definitely was a lot more interesting with lots of different classes of locos and DMUs & EMUs but sadly by the early 90s a lot of services were sprinter operated and 1st generation DMUs and loco-hauled workings were being gradually fazed out. Altho I must say that even in the 90s if you knew where to look there were still loco workings as well as some of the old infrastructure still in existence. If you weren't around in those days and you had a time machine you would be amazed at the sheer variety and infrastructure.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

I couldn’t agree more Stephen.

@harry110952 3 года назад

And proper trains..

@itsablack1 2 года назад

Propper trains with propper engines , none of this sprinter crap all over the place 😅

@vicsams4431 8 месяцев назад

What a superb video. Thanks for capturing these great scenes. Edinburgh Waverley was one of the best places to score lovely Sulzers back then. Every 15 minutes during the peak and every 30 minutes off peak, a Shove Duff on the Glasgow Queen Street via Falkirk High. 47/4s on the two hourly Aberdeen and the portion to Carstairs. Hourly 27s to Dundee. The midday train to Inverness (13.21 departure ?) often dropping a 37. ScotRail management even being pro-enthusiast back then, having pairs of 26s run to Inverness via Ladybank. Coming from the other side of London, I was often on the 07.30 (or even 06.00 if I could make it) off Kings Cross to go bash 27s. It used to confuse the guards as every change of crew north told me I was on the wrong train, as the 08.00 was the Aberdonian HST. But I wanted the earlier train to change at Waverley in favour of a 27. Once I bought a Kings Cross to Dundee Cheap Day Return and when all the bashers slighted at Haymarket, the guard thought he had caught me. Imagine his surprise to find I had a London to Dundee ticket. £31 back then. I got told off once at Waverley trying to buy three return tickets to Haymarket on my Young Persons Railcard, the ticket clerk thinking I was buying for my mates. I had to explain, I was catching SIX 27s riding back and forth and I was not a fare dodger. One attempt to score FIVE 27s I only managed to get one. I caught the 21.15 Stranraer Harbour Boat Train which was an 86 to Carlisle, a 47 to Ayr and booked a 27 piloting a 47, but on the night I did it, it was a 20 + 47. Then a second 47 to Glasgow Central, for the 11.00 semi fast to Perth (another 27 diagram) but it went over to 37/4 working. I bailed at Stirling for a Shove Duff to Dundee and a beloved 27 to Kirkcaldy. After waiting an hour, the following train was a frigging kart. Yuck ! So I waited another hour. A 47 with a silver roof duly appeared. 47 582 Country of Norfolk. She used to follow me everywhere. A relief from Cardiff, a relief from Newton Abbot, a Blackpool North to Preston. Everywhere. I had to catch her in order to make the 17.30 HST back to Kings Cross. Happy days indeed !

@kartwheelkarl 8 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for your brilliant reminiscences Vicsam. Your exploits remind me so much of my own. Being based in Manchester, I would regularly get the morning Victoria to Glasgow on which you could score a 47, an 08 (shunted the Liverpool to Glasgow portion on onto the back at Preston), an 86, a 47 Carstairs to Haymarket and the a 27 through the gardens. Similar story to yours wrt guards at Preston. We’d hop of the Vic-Glas portion and head over to the Liv-Edinburgh portion before the 08 hooked on the back. The guards would then come and check tickets in order to clobber the badgers who didn’t have tickets, and they always seemed disappointed when we showed them our tickets to Waverley. And I too would also spend the day hopping between Waverley and Haymarket, often with a return to Inverkeitheing just to ride a 27 over the Forth Bridge. I wonder whether you and I ever crossed paths? Happy days indeed eh? Really glad the video was able to bring back such fabulous memories for you.

@vicsams4431 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for your tales. It is a small world. I met a 33 basher from Portsmouth, that I knew, at Stranraer Harbour station at 03.30 one freezing late November morning. We had scared the cr@p out of each other. Him lurking in the waiting room, me lurking outside walking up and down on the gravel platform. We could well have seen each other. I also did Inverkeithing for the same reason ! Once it was chucking it down in horizontal rain, and the ECML was flooded. The weather got worse as I went north, and I decided to turn back at Inverkeithing rather than chance the Tay Bridge in a storm or not be able to return back to London due to track flooding. There is no roof to the footbridge at Inverkeithing, so you got drenched to your underwear trying to cross over the footbridge. Happy days. Worth it for a steam heat 27 !

@jongpw50 3 года назад

So glad he did this work, an invaluable record

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Thanks John...really glad you’re enjoying it. Can you believe Alan didn’t think anyone would be interested in his films? I’m so glad he agreed to share them with everyone.

@Tom-Lahaye 4 года назад

I noticed a Gresley coach painted yellow behind the row of 26s at Haymarket.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Good spot Tom. I’m guessing it was allocated to engineers use? I wonder whether anyone else might be able to shed more light on it.

@simplyinxs 4 года назад

This was after my days of train spotting, 80/81 & 82 I travelled about. Remember the week long railcard I got at Newcastle for £7.50 and covered all inclusive travel from Newcastle to York & Edinburgh as well as across to Carlisle. We then just added return tickets to wherever w wanted to go. Watching all these 41 videos just brings back so many memories. Biggest difference for me was the Deltic’s were being replaced by HST’s. Start of the end for me

@kartwheelkarl 4 года назад

£7.50 for unlimited Deltic haulage from York to Newcastle!!!!! How wonderful would it be if we could do that now? Trouble was, back then, £7.50 was a lot of paper round money!

@simplyinxs 2 года назад

@@kartwheelkarl apologies for late reply Karl lol. Was just browsing again and seen it. Yeah all my paper round money was spent chasing trains. Paid 2p for a platform ticket to sit at Newcastle if we weren’t travelling about. Doubt you’d let your kids go to places we went back in those days. London, Glasgow, Crewe to name but a few as a 14 year old 👍

@kartwheelkarl 2 года назад

@@simplyinxs Too true SNXS. How the world has changed eh? When I was 14, my mate and I would set off every Saturday morning bound for exotic destinations far and wide. At the very least we’d head to the end of Platform 5 at Manchester Piccadilly, but more often than not we’d invest in a return to Dinting to visit the then very active steam centre. Or we’d buy a return from Victoria to Stalybridge for a bit of peak bashing. On days when we felt a bit flush, we’d head down to Crewe or even over to Doncaster - circular route out via Leeds and back via Sheffield. My old duffle bag clocked up many miles carrying limp corned beef butties for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And this was before mobile phones had even been dreamt off!! If we were going to be late home, the only way to let our parents know was via a 2p coin and a public telephone box!!! Happy days and wonderful memories.

@Pmjs 10 месяцев назад

Brings back many memories of working the trains out of Edinburgh as a Conductor.

@kartwheelkarl 10 месяцев назад

Really glad to be able to bring back (what I hope were!) happy memories for you PM. Thank you for the great comment.

@stephenpowell5912 3 года назад

Just turned 13 back in 1986 a week before, Great Memories of these Locos.The original sound of the 125s, Great times ❤️

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Absolutely Stephen. I was 17 in 1986 and, like you, Alan’s films reflect the wonderful memories of my youth, when I was doing a heck of a lot of travelling around the network. Really glad your enjoying the collection and thank you for your comment.

@user-qb8sn2dw4u 3 года назад

Loved the noise of the 125's setting off

@LothianOwl 5 лет назад

This is exactly how i remember the mid 80s railscene. Was just a teenager at the time and in some ways I mistakenly took it for granted. Sadly the class 27s were withdrawn in 1987 (about a year after this was filmed) but I have many fond memories of 27 haulage in the Edin-Dundee with rakes of mk1s...........enthusiasts today would pay a lot of money for that but sadly those days are long gone.

@stevewyman2822 5 лет назад

friggin 'ell yeh mate....the 80's were the best...I started my railway thing in about '83..used to go all over the place..collecting loco's...York being a favorite hang -out..!!! ~ didnt really venture to Scotty..till about '87..with a ScotRail Rover / rider..which at the time only cost somewhere around £20 - £25..which was valid for about a week..if I remember rightly....god only knows how much one would cost now..?? !!!...I managed to ride every track in Scotland..even the remote ones..mainly riding 37's, & 47's..and the odd 31.. only prob was I missed out on 26's & 27's..& therefore never got the chance to ride either of them...as they had gone off track..by the time I went to Scotland..shame really, as they seemed pretty cool machines...although I did catch site of a few odd ones..parked -up here & there...!!! :)

@Aidankiwi 4 года назад

@@stevewyman2822 26s were still active well into the 1990s, but rarely, if ever, on passenger work. 1982-1986 were the best days to get Class 27 haulage on the Edinburgh-Dundee stoppers, though into the second half of 1986 47/0s became increasingly common. Edited to add...IIRC the last passenger service booked for class 26 haulage was the early morning Mon-Fri only service from Montrose to Aberdeen. It departed Montrose around 06.40 and was Class 26 hauled until early 1990.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Absolutely LothiaOwl. I too took it for granted back then. Only realise how special it was after it’s all gone eh?

@derekporter7658 4 года назад

The good old days of loco hauled stock!

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Absolutely Derek. And now, we even appreciate the Valenta roar of an HST!

@simonpoole3053 4 года назад

Wonderful video. I spent a good many times on the station watching 27s. I just laid on my bed and imagined being back there with your video. Great memories!

@simonpoole3053 4 года назад

Me also. That’s what I’m doing now. It’s like I’m there

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Happy times indeed Simon. So glad to be able to bring back some great memories.

@NedPooleD818 4 года назад

I loved those baby sulzers- also the Scotrail livery on the 47/7s has never been bettered- still looks fresh today! Best of all those was just turning up at a depot and taking a look around- never a problem at Eastfield or Haymarket but I remember being chased off at Motherwell a couple of times- all part of the fun!!

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Happy memories indeed Ned. Can you imagine being able to that today, with all the H&S rules in place?

@NedPooleD818 3 года назад

Kartwheelkarl Trains, Railway and Travel Videos - Yes the current H&S standards have taken a lot of the fun out of the hobby- although I do have a friend with a DBS Hi Viz who still walks round depots and yards without being challenged as long as he doesn’t get his camera out!! Swindon was always my favourite- through the tunnel, wander round the Cathedral- like works and then onto the scrap lines to see all the Westerns, 24s, 25s, 40s etc...

@thomasshepard6030 2 года назад

I worked as a fireman at eastfield traction depot Glasgow probably before your time 1974 I worked many class 27 s on the push and pulls Glasgow queens st to Waverley great days

@stevewatts9834 4 года назад

Wow, that's how I remember Waverly. An amazing video. Thanks for sharing

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Thanks Steve. And I couldn’t agree more - Waverley at its absolute best.

@deanf6573 3 года назад

Superb. Just superb. Genuinely like going back in time for a while. This video illustrates why there were so many people interested in the railways back then - so much variety and interest. The class 27s on the local workings were fantastic - great days.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

I couldn't agree more Dean. Really glad you're enjoying the collection and thank you for your comments.

@055deltic 2 года назад

An absolutely brilliant film of locations I know so well from travelling the country between 70s - 90s. Some great vantage points around Waverley, capturing the period of change from rail blue to Inter City livery and large logo locomotives. The sight and especially the sound of the Class 26/27s is magical and brings back so many happy memories - I could stand all day listening to them idle away! The HAymarket shots are very welcome, a somewhat neglected location in comparison to Waverley at the other end of Princes St Gardens. The final scenes of Dundee evening activity were really magical, the late summer evening light, the station and train lights and the slightly different workings as things wound down for the day - brilliant. Thank you for sharing!

@kartwheelkarl 2 года назад

You’re more than welcome 055. Really glad you’re enjoying the collection and thank you for the fabulous comments.

@7822welshsteam 4 года назад

You learn something every day. I'd had no idea that 47s had been used on push-pull services anywhere until Mark 3 DVT days!

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Glad to be of service William. The initial twelve 47/7 conversions for the Scotrail pushpull services were so successful that they converted a further 4 later on. The mk2 DVTs went on to be used on Liverpool Street to Norwich services after withdrawal from the Scottish routes.

@Pmjs 10 месяцев назад

It was a sad day when the 47 Push Pulls were replaced by the 158s although I did work some HSTs on the E&Gs.

@jongpw50 4 года назад

Thanks for this, I was a young Haymarket Driver at the time and may well have been in some of this footage!

@machosker 3 года назад

You might have worked with Raymond Howden then as he was a driver out of Haymarket from around then.

@jongpw50 3 года назад

Yes I did! How fascinating. How do you know him? I left in 1992 to go to university and I believe he left a few years after. Do you know what happened to him? @@machosker

@machosker 3 года назад

@@jongpw50 Hi, he was a family friend. From ehat I wad told left he was sadly involved in an incident outside Aberdeen. A sad girl and a level crossing were involved. I'll let you fill in the blanks. It hit him really hard. He was running the local shop in Dalmany for a while. Kinda lost touch and haven't heard anything from him since about 1996.

@jongpw50 3 года назад

@@machosker Well thanks for getting back to me; it is very interesting. Luckily in my 12 years on the footplate I never had any suicides though I believe they're more common nowadays, though I did kill a few sheep and birds in my time. I had had enough of the changes taking place and left to study at university, been teaching in FE and Comm Ed for the last 20. years or so. However I had a great time whilst there and this footage is of great importance to me. Thanks again.

@onlineWOF 5 лет назад

Brilliant. Love the scene of the three trains passing at Haymarket on the main lines. A rare sight to capture on film.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Indeed Dobbies. So glad you’re enjoying the collection.

@ClydebridgeStation 3 года назад

We see 37011 on the Royal Scotsman. the next year, 37011 was withdrawn, after an incident near Glasgow. It was hauling two EMUs back to a depot after works attention, and it had to go to Hyndland, 1 mile away, to run round them. For some reason, the EMU's ran away, and as 37011 was preparing to go to run round, the units collided with the loco, causing extensive damage. One of the EMUs was a write off.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Thanks for the great information CS. I didn’t know anything about that incident. Did they ever find out why the units ran into 37011? I’m guessing handbrakes were left off, but shouldn’t the unit’s brakes have applied once they were disconnected from the loco?

@ClydebridgeStation 3 года назад

@@kartwheelkarl it wasn't made clear what happened. I've got old editions of Motive power monthly magazine from the period, and it reported on the incident, but it didn't mention the outcome of the subsequent investigation. The actual collision took place near Singer station.

@andrewoverton5170 3 года назад

Very enjoyable, brought back a lot of memories. Excellent quality footage too. Thanks for posting that up.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Thanks Andrew. Really glad you’re enjoying the collection.

@prof.hectorholbrook4692 3 года назад

Amazing.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Absolutely Hector. Glad you’re enjoying the collection and thank you for the comment.

@thomasshepard6030 6 месяцев назад

I drove many class 27s on the push and pull service between Glasgow queen st and Waverley Edinburgh when I was a fireman out of eastfield traction depot springburn Glasgow 1974 onwards and class 37s on the west highland line to Oban always preferred the 37s

@kartwheelkarl 5 месяцев назад

Thank you for your fabulous comment Thomas. I have to admit that I am extremely envious of the experiences you had as an Eastfield driver. Not only to have worked the intensive Glasgow/Edinburghs during the lass 27 era, but also to have been a driver on the WH line. Probably my favourite picture I ever took was of a 37 on oil tanks just after dawn, photographed by a sleepy me through the vestibule window of a Mk3 sleeper. As a driver, it must have been wonderful to have seen that line in every season and to have thrashed class 37s through that incredible landscape.

@thomasshepard6030 5 месяцев назад

@@kartwheelkarl long ine of railway men my grandfather was a mainline steam driver out of dawshom sheds and my uncle mainline driver steam and diesel out of dawshom and eastfield and my older brother mainline driver with DRS he actually drove the same class 37s that I drove as DRS bought some of the old 37sand class 20s from eastfield when it closed they refurbed them my brother loved the 37s aswell as myself

@ewoodrailway 4 года назад

Superb video. I went to Edinburgh for the first time in September 1986 after the 27s were withdrawn. I only ever saw the 4 or 5 that went into preservation

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

That’s such a shame Ewood. You literally just missed out on seeing the 27s as regular performers on the Edinburgh to Dundee Route.

@ewoodrailway 3 года назад

Kartwheelkarl Trains, Railway and Travel Videos I was to young however I saw so many of the other classes and visited preserved railways for what I didn't see running on the main line. I now need a 76 in holland an 03 in Italy, the latest channel tunnel shunters 0006-0010 66791/3 and 4

@GoodKnight-mm4nv 3 года назад

I’m about 99% sure the class 27s were withdrawn in 1987 and not 86. I think they introduced sprinters on the Edin-Dundee route in 87 to replace the 27s. The class 27 hauled mk1s were always a favourite on the Dundee runs especially with the two bridges and going past Haymarket depot which still had lots of locos.

@simonpoole3053 3 года назад

@@GoodKnight-mm4nv I think they also ran in 1988. Just before I want to uni which was 1988. I remember they actually had 26s and 27s in summer of 1988.

@AlanAlanAlan161 4 года назад

Awesome

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Thanks Alan. And to think, Alan didn’t think anyone else would be interested.

@crompton33022 4 года назад

Amazing. Thanks for sharing.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

You’re welcome ER. Really glad you’re enjoying the collection.

@TiberiusWallace 5 лет назад

I always think Class 26's look like Fluff Freeman with his glasses on and 27's look like him with them off.

@siddywiddyb 4 года назад

had to google that!! spot on!! Maybe class 33 with his glasses on tho :-)

@RoadCone411 4 года назад

now this is the kind of thing that I read the comments for...!

@ClydebridgeStation 2 года назад

At 8:25, the angled roof we see, well that was the New Street depot of what was Eastern Scottish omnibuses. Later closed before the company was sold, SMT's successor, First, has no depot in the city now.

@kartwheelkarl 2 года назад

Great background info CS. Thank you and really glad you’re enjoying the collection.

@ClydebridgeStation 2 года назад

@@kartwheelkarl I can tell you, further research has told me that the top end of the building, only single deckers could use, the lower end double deckers could use. After closure, it became a covered car park, until that closed. Demolished in 2006, it's now offices and you wouldn't know there had once been a mighty bus depot there.

@mnic1234 5 лет назад

Amazing to see such vintage coaches on the mainline as part of a railtout at 5:00. The only pre-nationalisation stock on the national network today is the VSOE stock 😕

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

I’m pretty certain that was the Royal Highlander land cruise train that used to do very expensive, week long, all inclusive tours of Scotland. I seem to remember seeing it being piped out of Edinburgh once.

@perthdave100 2 года назад

@@kartwheelkarl this is the royal scotsman at 5.00 and still runs today, just different coaches and locos, the royal highlander was the overnight sleeper from london-inverness, this still runs today, think not the same name now and different coaches and locos from edinburgh.

@kartwheelkarl 2 года назад

@@perthdave100 You’re absolutely right Dave. Have you had the opportunity try out the modified class 73s and brand new mark 5 coaches yet? I’ve heard mixed reviews.

@perthdave100 2 года назад

@@kartwheelkarl not yet, the cost of a cabin or a seat in the mk5s is too expensive for me now, maybe if I win on scratch cards or the lottery, I have a few videos of the 73s on my channel, yep, there is mixed reviews, but, what other ETH loco would replace them that does not cost £1000 a day for hire fees.

@dodgydruid Год назад

I always feel a bit sad for my late father who gave BR his whole life, he was given the Signalling Manager's job at Waverley power box and the union furore that followed was horrendous, it mattered not my father born in Edinburgh had done so much for BR, he was a Southern man and the Waverley job had to go to a ScR man or all out strikes to follow. BR did offer him an A-M couple times but he was fed up and took early retirement in the 90's, he resumed his career with Swanage Railway back to levers and proper signalling and he was happiest.

@kartwheelkarl Год назад

Thank you so much for sharing what must have been an upsetting series of events for your dad WWW. So glad that things worked out in the end and he was able to return to a manual box in his later years. Those of us who were lucky enough to enjoy the railways during the eighties look back on the period very much through rose coloured glasses. We forget that this was a time plagued by industrial turmoil, with the unions in many industries butting heads with the government on a regular basis.

@Tom-Lahaye 5 лет назад

What a wonderfull footage of the mid 1980's rail scene. It gives me a lot of information about different services and the loco's and stock used on these, thanks to the lots of information on the trains in the descriptive text, very helpfull to run the right compositions on my mid 1980's period model layout. Still lots of 26/27 traction on passenger trains, only quistion is about the last train, did this one terminate at Perth or was it going all the way to inverness in the early night? As 27050 was an Ineverness based loco then, and it would be interesting to know if 26/27 were more than just a rarity then on the Highland mainline apart from the usual 47's and 37's.

@kartwheelkarl 5 лет назад

Thanks for the great comments Dieselmupke. To try to answer your question about 27050, I looked in my trusty old 1986 edition of Loco Hauled travel. The was only one train starting at Dundee and heading down the Perth line at that time of day, the 2156 Perth to Dundee. Interestingly though, it was diagrammed for a class 47 which was scheduled to start its day at Carstairs and then do a couple of Edinburgh to Dundee returns. After a third run to Dundee, it was booked to return as far as Perth. Unfortunately, the diagram ended at Perth, but I wouldn't be surprised if the 27 had then been hooked on the front of an overnight service to Inverness to get it back home.

@ronaldweir712 5 лет назад

The glasgow Edinburgh service was class 47 with a driving cab in the rear coach for the return trip to glasgow. They could do the trip in about 49 minutes unlike their replacements the Class 158s which were terrible

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Absolutely Ronald. The push pul 47/7s and mk3 coaches gave the route a proper intercity status in my view.

@DeanPark Год назад

Hi, great video as always. I have watched this so many times. I am going to be doing a video on the new Hornby MK3 coaches and I see you have some footage in this video. Would I be able to use some of the footage in my video, if I credit you with the footage?. I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers.Dave

@kartwheelkarl Год назад

Absolutely Dave! I’d be delighted and honoured for you to use the footage in your upcoming video. Thank you for asking first and thank you also the great feedback.

@DeanPark Год назад

@@kartwheelkarl hi, thank you for getting back to me so quickly and for your kind permission. Dave.

@aureol40012 11 месяцев назад

Hi, what are the criteria for train videos being classed as a collection? My dad and I filmed 15 hours of VHS footage in the early 80s, but obviously it’s not been formally classed as “The Peter Atkinson Collection”. Does it have to be classed by a museum or something?

@kartwheelkarl 9 месяцев назад

As far as I'm aware, there is no official criteria for the term Aureol. Alan shared his collection with me several years ago; at the time, he didn't think anyone else would be particularly interested in them! However, I convinced him otherwise and I'm so grateful that he allowed me to share them with like minded enthusiasts on my my channel. They've brought back wonderful memories for literally thousands of people, and I would imagine you and your dad's collection would do likewise.

@AndreiTupolev 3 года назад

* 12:12 there 47464, which was involved in an accident that September and was one of the first 47s to be withdrawn.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Where was the accident Andrei?

@AndreiTupolev 3 года назад

@@kartwheelkarl 47464 failed on a single track section at Elgin whilst hauling the 08:35 Aberdeen to Inverness service. 37416, at the head of the 10:25 Inverness to Aberdeen train was allowed into the section to push the failed 47 and its train clear, but approached too fast and ran into 47464. The severely damaged 47 was removed to Inverness, then moved to Polmadie and withdrawn on October 2nd 1986 after which it was moved to Crewe Diesel, and then into Crewe Works where it was broken up during the latter part of 1987. (thank you www.class47.co.uk/c47_numbers.php?index=2&jndex=0&kndex=63&s_loco=47464)

@AndreiTupolev 4 года назад

Has the Royal Scotsman been going that long has it? Very interesting haulage; 26 & 37 double headers are very very unusual.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Back then, a 37 was the staple motive power for the Royal Scotsman Andrei. I personally never saw it with a 26 piloting.

@perthdave100 2 года назад

@@kartwheelkarl i think the royal scotsman started running around 1983 or 1984, i only saw this train 2 or 3 times during the 1980s and it was right place right time, was usually a single 37 that hauled the train, with another loco on the front, the train loco behind would have had a problem on the route to edinburgh, to save time getting another 37 from eastfield, a 26 was probably the nearest loco available.

@kartwheelkarl 2 года назад

@@perthdave100 I was lucky enough to go see the Royal Scotsman on just the one occasion Dave. It was at Waverley in the mid eighties, and yes, it had a 37 on the front. There was a piper in full regalia piping the passengers aboard. If I remember rightly, it cost rather a lot of money to go on that tour. I seem to remember most of the passengers I saw (of which there weren’t many…. It was very exclusive!) being from America.

@perthdave100 2 года назад

@@kartwheelkarl the Royal scotsman is still expensive to have a few days somewhere, the full 5 days was £8000, that was 2 years ago, this year, maybe another £500-£1000 on top of that price.

@kartwheelkarl 2 года назад

@@perthdave100 Wow! That’s expensive Dave. That makes it about three times as expensive than riding the Indian Pacific for five days from Perth to Adelaide in Gold Class, and I thought that was steep! Regarding the mark 5 coaches, I seem to remember Geoff Marshal saying that it was possible to ride the Fort William service in the day coach with a normal Glasgow to Fort William ticket. That would be a good way to check them out without having to fork out for a long distance sleeper fare.

@machosker 3 года назад

Could this have been 1985? Royal Scots Grey was at the Haymarket open in Aug 1985. I was there as I still have the cad visit certificate they gave out. Also that HST with the Valenta scream.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Hiya Machosker, Glad you’re enjoying Alan’s films. I love to hear all of the memories they are bringing back for people. I can confirm that it was definitely 1986. Deltic 22 had attended the Inverness open day which was held on 28th June of that year. If you check out Alan’s visit to Inverness (part 2 of the collection) you’ll see RSG still resident on the depot. All the best Karl

@jvgreendarmok Год назад

The date at the start says 14.07.86

@jvgreendarmok Год назад

6:43 is the 27 station-piloting empty carriages to Haymarket Depot?

@kartwheelkarl Год назад

The 27 is heading for Dundee John. I seem to remember this being an hourly service, usually leaving from that same platform at Edinburgh. Although 47s did make appearances on these trains, it was a real stronghold for the class 27s right up until their withdrawal.

@jvgreendarmok Год назад

@@kartwheelkarl Oh, right. Since it had been pootling around the station for a while before I assumed it was functioning as a station pilot.

@jvgreendarmok Год назад

@@kartwheelkarl Oh, yeah, the last few minutes of the video are at Dundee, aren't they? And we can see a 27 taking a train out, probably to Edinburgh.

@maryreid4273 5 лет назад

Pre-electrification.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Absolutely Mary. It all looks very different now.

@ivorrollo9268 3 года назад

Hi there. Great video !!! Do you know anywhere that has footage like this of Edinburgh Waverley to Carstairs junction, primarly round the Wester Hailes area between 1975 and 1995 . Many thanks for any help

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Sorry Ivor, I’m afraid I can’t help you with that one. That’s a rather specific requirement you have there. Are you researching the area for a particular reason?

@ivorrollo9268 3 года назад

@@kartwheelkarl hi there. Many thanks for reply. Just trying to get some old footage. Cheers

@jontydenton1898 3 года назад

Not many passengers! And scotrail livery was dire

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

At the time Jonty, the new sectorisation liveries were a novelty, after years of BR blue. They weren’t to everyone’s taste but, personally, I always liked this Scotrail livery.

@AndreiTupolev 4 года назад

The double arrow logo on 47578 10:40 looks a bit out of proportion

@cameronpatterson1045 4 года назад

This should bee puot On to DVD

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

I have the whole collection on DVD Andrei.... but only because that's what Alan sent me. Thanks for the positive comments.

@dilwich 3 года назад

Filmed with Derek Trotter's Russian camcorder . . .

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

Thanks for your comment Dilwich, but I doubt anything brought from Trotters’ Independent Trading would have stood up to the amount of use Alan had for his camera! He was using state of the art equipment for 1986 and he heaved both the camera and the shoulder mounted battery pack around the country on the trains and his bicycle!! It just goes to show how video recording has moved in in such a recently short time thought doesn’t it? We can all now get better results with a simple hand held device that we all have in our pocket, a device that wasn’t even initially developed for recording images but for use as a phone!!

@cedarcam 10 месяцев назад

@@kartwheelkarl The battery I used to carry for my VHS camcorder was bigger and weighed more than the cam I use today. Some people have no idea what making a video was like back then. A heavy full size VHS camcorder and two heavy lead acid batteries in a large carry case a heavy tripod, you knew about it after a day out filming. The quality on this is excellent he must of used good tapes as well as the good camera

@kartwheelkarl 10 месяцев назад

@@cedarcam Thanks for the fabulous comment Cedercam. The even more amazing thing is that Alan took his bicycle everywhere with him, and rode it up some really steep inclines, complete with all of his heavy VHS equipment. I for one am incredibly grateful to him because he captured some fantastic footage for us to enjoy.

@cedarcam 10 месяцев назад

@@kartwheelkarl That's dedication It was hard enough going by bus and train to places.

@AndreiTupolev 4 года назад

47/7 top & tail 8:50?

@flymajj 3 года назад

I don't think any 47/7s were in BR Blue by then.

@kartwheelkarl 3 года назад

That’s definitely a west coast half set (half to Edinburgh and half to Glasgow) with the two 47s. Very unusual indeed. Could have been just a quick way of getting a 47 back to Carstairs?

@jvgreendarmok Год назад

@@kartwheelkarl It's going east out of Waverley. To where? Dunbar? Berwick? Newcastle?

@kartwheelkarl Год назад

@@jvgreendarmok I wonder whether it was being used in a North Berwick service, filling in for a multiple unit. If I remember rightly, there are no run round facilities at NB. Or it could be an ecs working to Craigentinny.