5.02 respect to tbat lovely mum helping her daughter create her own unique identity aided with a Singer sewing machine..my lovely mum in Liverpool did the same thing 😊
The Drones new line up launches in Manchester, January 21st 2017. The girl with her mum is Denise Shaw.....she attended the Drones press launch a few weeks ago (Nov 2016) and is very much alive and well.
I got stopped five days in a row on my way to school by the police because my school didn't have uniforms and we could dress as we wanted, I also used to get grown men starting on me and had bricks and bottles thrown at me by those adult men when I was 13/14 because I was a punk, yet I was the one seen as the violent threat! But I never attacked, abused or insulted people in the street just because of how they wore their clothes and hair.
same things happened to me on a regular basis,grown 30 odd something aged blokes punching a 13/14 year old lad in the face,guts,real big hard men,hopefully they are suffering in misery n pain now,twats bullys,cowards.
This was so common when i was a kid. Living in Michigan...land of beer and the CRC? i was harassed by grown men and women...ultra conservative ADULTS in public, restaurants, on the bus, in the streets. "DYKE!" "they all wanted to beat my ass for the committing the cardinal sin of wearing ripped flannel, doc martens, and the worst of all....OH MY GOD...GIRL WITH A MOHAWK!!! I got used to it by age 14 but it was always surreal...
I was one of maybe 20 punks in a school with about 800 hicks and preppies in georgia. Had some good scuffles in the hallways as a result haha. Good times
I got the same treatment here in U.S., where It's conservative. They want everyone modest and wholesome. They frown on civil liberties and personal freedom.
Punk was middle class rebellion, it was never meant for the working class and the police came down hard on those emulating their 'betters', it's like todays Antifa, rich kids with influential parents running round setting fire to things but the police only step in when 'oiks' fight back or copy them, one rule for me another for thee, always been
Nice one, thanks, I worked on Brass Tacks (later delightfully parodied by Chris Morris in Brass Eye) as an assistant film editor for the film inserts, not on this one but I remember watching it. A great title sequence showing the then cutting edge technology at New Broadcasting House, sadly missed, although the ghosts of Jimmy Savile and Stuart Hall may roam the site. When I try to tell youngsters we used cellotape to join the bits of film together they think I'm senile. The film bits were very well done, when film-making was a craft. Gigantic studio cameras, with blokes pulling the cables around like the 1930's. All done live remember, all those decisions. Michael Wood with his shirt undone on the phone-line response after the crazy vicar did all those In Search of The Trojan Wars etc., documentaries, Great Railway Journeys, played in an amateur rock band, he was famous for his pieces to camera somewhere up a mountain with his tight jeans displaying his assets. The subjects of this piece did very well, they must have trusted the programme makers to an extent. I hope those who took part get too see it.
Not saying people should take street drugs, but look what happened when they banned legal highs this century, much more lethal dangerous drugs have come out such as cannabinoids that kill people, I know personally someone who died from spice.
Yep , it's all about fear and the rich turning groups of poor people against eachother , while the rich themselves continue robbing us all behind the curtain , and shore up their own power.
Ive got an original Johnny thunders heartbreakers lamf cassette from 77. It was my uncle's and he gave it me. I dont have a cassette player. But i have got the damned the clash on vinyl. Punk rocks the best. I was born around that time. But my mom wasnt a punk. She was a mod.
You should listen to IDLES they’re a great punk band from Bristol and they’re a great laugh as well as intelligent. :) The Chats are a pretty good band too, from Aussie
@@rexterrocks Same, I never got a CD player so relied on the collection I had during that bleak period! Cassettes got me through to the early 90's, and after that the working touring bands (that ultimately came from the [real] punk scenes anyways), e.g. Against Me!, Melvins/Big Business, Neurosis, et al, almost always still offered vinyl for sale online and at shows. Vinyl never went out of style for electronic, techno/dance, and hiphop, so basically it was only the mainstream crap, fake punk, itunes algoryhthmic formula pop etc, that wasn't available. I didn't miss anything, don't think 😉
Kings road on a Saturday was an amazing punk promenade back then, no film or pic could really ever capture it fully, it was a unique atmosphere & it's not just that culture that's passed but the wider culture too now, not for the better neither.
What a woman Denise Lloyd (Shaw) is,she as been a great friend from the minute we meet back in the 70's and will always been the female face of punk in the North :)
Not one single punk requires 10% of your check to hang with them, or force one fiction book at you and expect you to believe the crap. Hmmm I don't think I've ever heard of a single punk organization who rape young boys and girls then cover it up.
I was 16 in 78 and followed punk and watched bands that came to Nottingham. I never saw any violence or vandalism. Just young people having a great time.
Fascinating to watch this in 2019... John Peel now long gone and Pete Shelley having now passed away recently. Seems odd to consider that all those elder people would have been born in the early 1900s... when I cast my mind back to these times we kids were all generally a little bit frightened by this movement because it really was a massive change... the charts were full of pap like the Wurzels and totally rubbish like Brotherhood of Man which just felt like falling into a pile of pink cushions coated with talcum powder whilst eating a turkish delight... however that frightening image was really just the media. Sure there were a lot of knob ends back and to some degree I think there was a kinda hooligan element but in some ways that was a safety valve.... I think what came after punk was a whole other thing and the musical landscape from 77-81 was just pure magic. It really does strike a contrast with the somewhat banal music scene of today...
you'd think those times of inane prejudice would be gone, but i was in a pub in blackpool with my mate whilst on our way to the rebellion festival in 2018 and the landlord said to us, "I wouldn't go into the town this weekend, it's full of punks". Then we explained that that was where we were going and silence ensued
Bloody hell - the bloke right at the start is 'Odgie' former editor of 'Back Street Heroes' then 'AWOL'. Hot Rod builder, drag racer, anarchist, great writer. Amazing bloke - never sold out (perhaps he wasn't offered enough money)...
To me, punk was all about freedom of speech and how people saw themselves. I do not think that it was harmful at all. Politicians talk crap whereas the punk bands spoke the truth about the crap society we live in. I thought the music was different and quiet exiting at the time - it needed to happen anyway - it was certainly different to anything gone before. Anyway, some great musicians came out of that era
I actually first fell head-over for Pete Shelley when he was new wave and I was 11. By 15 I was a street kid and growing up on West Coast punk rock with other kids doing everything ourselves since it was the only way. I was putting on some shows, making the flyers, and publishing a zine for trade around the world, made possible by a mod kid who had a crush on me and a score job at Kinko's; I had a really nice cast-metal butterfly-clasp Buzzcocks pin on my hat and no idea that what we were doing and the way we did it was directly the ideaology brought to punk rock by our Pete. I didn't even know the guy in Buzzcocks was the same guy from the dance clubs. I wish I knew more about him, this man I guess I was going to fall toward no matter what or when, but other than music performances there is so little out there for us to see what he was like, what he had to say and how he said it; even the few sentencss uttered here are so precious, thank you for sharing this programme.
Yep remember it well ..I got into it in 78 when I was 15 , there were some pretty bad bands apart from clash etc The Manchester and midlands had some good punk bands I seem to recall .
"Everyone in the punk scene has their own look" Few minutes later..... "Everyone had black hair so I just followed along" That's what destroyed Punk and Metal. Conformity.
Yeah, the 'uniform'. Wearing what they think they're supposed to be wearing and worried if their peers will approve or disapprove. Even Lydon and Strummer, for example, saw the futility in that.
@@WarrenCromartie2 metal is pretty conventional now i love some of it A LOT but it has many people with conservative minds who see themselves as alternative neck beard dude bros in a commercial uniform unifyingly belching to standardised music
@Frank Filthyfingeris that comment aimed at me...?if so i'll educate you,something you are in dire need of going by your simplistic youtube name!,i am self employed always have been!,my skills have taken me to far and distant lands,enabling me to broaden my horizons and see the world as it really is!!!...obviously for someone as yourself,plagued with failed asperations and dreams i can see how throwing out derogatory comments may ease your pain.
Having a go at young people expressing themselves and being free whilst behind the scenes turning a blind eye to everything Savile was up to, not saying anyone in the studio here knew, just the organisation itself
selective aren't they.... the hypocrisy was a big part of the punk rock anger. violent police.. no jobs unless you had the right accent... corrupt politics.. hypocritical churches.. no.. stop the kids stop the punk rock.. that's the problem. total BS.
These same hand wringing critics were all strangely silent when rap music came along with it's blatant themes of sexism, drugs and violence. Anybody would think they were a bunch of spineless hypocrites...🤔.
These councillors or mps go off about the vandalism at punk rock concerts and banning the gigs BUT how much vandalism & violence happens at football matches!!!! they didn't ban football!!!
Councillors, pastors and the BBC, the voices of the establishment pre punk era, the only bunch missing is the Royals. People that weren't around in that era simply have no idea of how repressive the UK was when it comes to the music scene/music industry. If it hadn't been for the punk thing in the 70's a huge chunk of today's musical genre's simply would not exist. No matter what you're musical tastes, if you value modern music then you owe a debt of gratitude to the punks (as well as earlier musical trends and events)! And as for Councillor Bernard Brook-Partridge, well he should have been taken out and shot! What a pompous tosser he was.... Thank god Punk won the day!
The desire to control another persons free will is the personality trait of psychopathy. No wonder the BBC and the church turned out to be a vipers nest of paedophiles
These were the exact same bastards who protected Jimmy Saville and the clergy abusing children. This tells you everything you need to know about why and how that happened.
I agree wholeheartedly! A lot of today’s music such as EDM/big room house would not be around had it not been for punk rock in the 70s! Me being into rave music of the early 90s, the Madchester sound, house, trance and Wigan Pier bounce, all of that can be traced right back to the punk era and the music itself later evolved into post punk then New Romanticism and eventually acid house raves. A massive debt is indeed owed to those at the forefront of the punk scene!
I find it hilarious that Sex Pistols and Ramones T shirts are sold in high street retail shops and people wear them without knowing who they are. My mate saw a girl in a Ramones T shirt a few years ago and he said ''Hey ho, Lets go! Her reaction was brilliant, she didn't have a clue.
many people styled like one´s cultures and how one grew up. in my case, like a l l decades and cultures i grew up in. this is absolutely fucking mental.
Looking back on it now its really funny how the English establishment really felt that their whole way of life was threatened by punk rock in the 70s much more so by bands like the Who or the Stones in the 60s.
I'm English and was a punk in the seventies and eighties,then progressed to thrash and death metal in later years.this is an exceptional insight into Great Britain.this is a slice of social history and needs to be shown in schools etc to show young people how life can be changed.and that parents really are narrow minded🍺
It all boils down to freedom and freedom of speech. These young adults have every right to express themselves any way they say fit, even proselytizing. We make up our own minds or we are zombies.
Not seen this before. The punks and Peel destroyed them in the debate. I've met thousands of people and punks have always been the most intelligent and humanitarian. You may have been able to say a similar thing about rap if it had followed the direction of Public Enemy, KRS-1, Hiphoprisy etc instead of the boasting capitalist shit it has become . But then punk was capitalist in the 90s anyway...
If you look back through history you'll see any group that has the ability to travel and spread a message the government of the time doesn't like will be banned or subject to restrictions. Actors, musicians, travelling minstrels even wandering beggars and itinerant labourers. That's why Romanies became known as Gypsies. They were described as coming from Egypt and being able to perform dark magic as the wandered the countryside. Egyptian became Gypsy. They actually originated in India. The elites have to create fear of other groups to keep the attention away from themselves and the crap they are getting up to. Some people unfortunately believe what they are told.
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Interesting documentary, what a different time it was. Punk is alive and well in California, many of the early bands from LA and SF still play fairly often. The Buzzcocks play here in San Francisco probably once a year still, they will be here again in May. Thanks for uploading this. Pete Shelley RIP
Everytime I see a documentary about punk that was actually made during the birth of punk, it amazes me how little poeple outside the circle understood about it. IT like the interviewers don't even know what to ask, the grown up don't know what to make of it.
I was only born in August 1979, around two years after this was broadcast and over the years I've learned that the music I'm into (from rave, hardcore and jungle to house and trance) and it's roots goes back to the punk ethos of 1976-77, I owe a massive debt to the punk rockers who won against what the "establishment" deemed acceptable (I'm not anti-establishment by the way, I'm merely pointing out my own perception of the 1970s and before even though I was only born in 1979).
Same here, I am so frustrated by the lack of information about him. His Wikipedia is abysmal, for example, doesn't mention being on this programme or even list appearances on TotP. Steve Diggle has said he has "kids", "children", wiki mentions only one -? I wish there was a real book about him and we didn't have to comb everything just for glimpses of him around the edges and a sentence or two if we're lucky... I miss him so much. 😢
I went from listening to Abba to listening to the Sex Pistols,completely blown away! The Stranglers still are and always will be my favourite band Discovered so many decent bands listening to John Peel I'd go into school the next day claiming i know all these bands and everyone thought i was really cool But it was all down to listening to John Peel Between 10 and midnight as i recall I know i always fell asleep before the end paperound and all that
I know. The last big thing as far as i see was rave, 30 years ago. No there is nothing. I think that music seems to have run its course. But maybe something will come up in the future. The wsy i see it, punk was an attitude (DIY, truth telling, very political - but naive etc..).the music was just the glue that attracted and bound people around that. Perhaps the new generation will develop a new attitude, a new approach, with something new coming from that. I hope so.
Thanks for uploading this. Pete Shelley is a hero! I am proud to have had my picture taken with him. :-) What's up with the extra 20 minutes at the end? lol.
He did butter ads so his band could make more albums and do a tour the BBC or related companies would never help him with anything they never forgave him for attempting to out Jimmy sovile they prefer to help dirty perverts instead
Buzzcocks never became punk fashion victims like all the London bands, they loved the Pistols but didn’t just slavishly copy them like everybody else, they did it their own way just like the Fall did and Magazine. Great bands in some very grim times. This is what poverty actually looks like folks! RIP Mark E Smith, Pete Shelley, Steve Burke.
THE WORST...wow...one of the first English punk bands to play Dublin.played late 1977 at the Killiney punk festival,and at the infamous St Anthony's Hall gig in 1978 when 700 turned up.The lead singer was i think involved in a fight with TEDS afterwards and more than put manners on them.Great to see them in this!!!!!
I'm currently reading 'Manchester: It Never Rains...' by Gareth Ashton which is all about the late 70's Manchester punk scene (a great read if this doc has whetted your appetite) which includes interviews and/or anecdotes with the punks featured here (including Deb Z who uploaded the video) and it was the book that pointed me to watch it again but this time with the added interest of having 'got to know' some of the protagonists in more detail. What struck me the most is how articulate everyone is. Young people knowing their own minds and able to speak about it with fluency and clarity. Even listening to the likes of Bernard Brook-Partridge was a refreshing reminder of the days before media training and fear of negative publicity led people in the public eye to talk in sound bites and insincere 'flim-flam' And as for John Peel, don't you just miss that voice, eh?
I LOVE the middle class mom who sews her punk daughter's punk clothes.. you KNOW there's a big part of her that wants to go scream and let loose with her daughter.. 😆🤘
I was very involver in the "Punk" scene in the 80's in San Francisco. I published a magazine called BravEar Magazine and our common theme was anti-fascism. We were warning about the signs of fascism brewing in America. It was a straight line from then to now. Funny, I was just dreaming about trying to find my studio where I have boxes of old BravEar magazines.
Punk. Saved my soul! Helped me discover and maintain my values. my Inner Voice/Intuition - or as i tend to find myself saying more often theses days, "13yr old Me" Is the best voice of reason around me these days. Especially the way 'they' are ramping up the surveillance/nanny state rules and regulations etc. It's a shame the way the younger generations of today are more concerned about how other people see them - whilst being told what they should be concerned about by the very institutions that are pulling the wool over their eyes, rounding them up into their sheep pens...etc and when i do find myself coming close to despair for the current state of things, i can always cheer myself up with a good dose of Punk Rock, transporting me back 3-4 decades and rediscovering my strength - and that there is still hope lol. ...anyone else out there had thoughts of creating a Punk 'retirement village'? Not necessarily exclusively punk, but independent thinking music minded people that don't mind a bit of noise lol. I'm only 50 atm, but the idea won't leave me alone....a privately owned by the residents village, not state owned....one basic rule - Respect....oh shit i'm think-typing out loud again....
DEB Up till December 2018 I worked at a company called 'FARREL' who are almost opposite to 'ARROW MILL' which is till there, I used to go for a walk every dinnertime up the Rochdale Canal ,and up through the gap past 'ARROW' back to FARREL!. I met you at Martin Ryan's book launch, and Steve Shy too who told me about this documentary ! cheers kid! dx
Hi David, it was lovely to meet you at Martin's book launch in November. I don't know the area where Arrow Mill is well but I've bern up to Rochdale a few times with Denise. Great buildings they must be and still standing. Great documentary isn't, fond memories of back then. The Electric Circus was brilliant we were all gutted when it was shut. Such a shame that it has been pulled down.