BRASS vs. COPPER Jazz Trombone Bell Comparison! Different Metals in Action!

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It took me a long time of searching to be able to run a decent, one-to-one comparison of a bell made from standard yellow brass (70% copper, 30% zinc) and one fully made from ionized copper. My opportunity came when I went searching through our many stray trombone bells at Clearwater Music!
First off, I think both of these bells are equally viable and exist for a reason. Particularly if you're liable to a dark sound, yellow brass is the way to go, but if you tend to play with a lot of 'edge' and want to do softer, more ballad-like work, then red brass or pure copper can really help. For me, the copper takes off a little edge in the louder dynamics, but not to a deal-breaking extent for big band playing, whereas its tonal benefits in the softer dynamics make it well worth sticking with. For whatever reason, I found the copper bell easier to play and was chipping fewer notes on it than the standard brass bell. Anyhow, I no longer play a Conn Director .485" bore of any sort, but if I did, I'd probably prefer to have a copper bell lying around, because for me the benefits outweigh the compromises. Let me know your thoughts based on the audio tests in this video!
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@ScratchnSniff04 10 месяцев назад

If I'm not mistaken, The bass trombone I played in HS had a pure copper bell, or at least a high concentration of it. It was super nice sounding, very warm

@SamuelPlaysBrass 10 месяцев назад

I haven’t seen a pure copper bell on a bass trombone, but I have seen quite a few 85-90% copper “rose brass” bells. They do indeed have a very warm and centered sound. I wish I had the chance to play on a copper-enhanced bass more often.

@RaichuEnjoy 10 месяцев назад

Omg how cool would an 100% copper euph sound I need that in my life!

@SamuelPlaysBrass 10 месяцев назад

Now that is something I'd like to see (and play on)! I think I've only ever really seen euphoniums made of standard yellow brass. What a missed opportunity. Although I think a pure copper one would be pretty costly to manufacture...

@seth094978 7 месяцев назад

@@SamuelPlaysBrass The bell matters the most, and material does get changed up there. Gold (rose) brass does get used, and Dave Werden has a solid silver bell.

@peternaryd_operasinger 10 месяцев назад

Great video Samuel!🤗👍👍

@SamuelPlaysBrass 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Peter! Was there much of a difference to your ear between the bells?

@peternaryd_operasinger 10 месяцев назад

You're so welcome! The one with 100% cooper has a much softer and "darker" sound!

@James_Dawes 10 месяцев назад

Excited for the new series! The copper bell is the same model I'm playing at the moment. I don't have anything else to compare it to but it plays more than enough for my ability on the slidy instrument 😂

@SamuelPlaysBrass 10 месяцев назад

Well, good on you for messing with the trombone! It definitely helps to experience both firsthand, not over a recording, but nevertheless I’m curious-were you able to hear much of a difference in this demo?

@Juan_Bone09 10 месяцев назад

Great video I like the 18H Copper Bell Sound. Also, i Have the Late 18H Model With Yellow Brass Bell and .500 Bore Slide.

@SamuelPlaysBrass 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the comment! The Director cornets had some discrepancies as well. For instance, I believe I have a later-issue 18A cornet, which has a larger bell (also electroformed Coprion) than standard, but that model was replaced with the 17A, which had a smaller bell flare, longer primary tuning slide, and shorter secondary tuning slide.

@erniearruda8861 10 месяцев назад

I had one that I picked up from a antique store, for $200 cdn and sold it for $500 ,had no case or mouthpiece ,the horn in good condition except the brace from the bell to the female end receiver had to be soldered on.No wear on the stockings of the slide and the copper bell was in mint condition with no scratches and dings to it.I do prefer the full copper bell sound of the warm GLen Miller sound and style. I do wish manufacturers had the option of having a 100 percent copper bell for tubas , euphonium, and bass trombones.But that pure metal is very expensive to produce and a world shortage of it now these days.

@SamuelPlaysBrass 10 месяцев назад

You managed to sell it for $500CAD? I’m surprised. Anyhow, I do like that you mention Glenn Miller because that style of music is a great use of the copper bell. Seems like whatever copper deposits are left in our mines might have to go towards copper wiring and battery components, though…

@chrisg0001 9 дней назад

Lol the flugelbone

@SamuelPlaysBrass 9 дней назад

@@chrisg0001 A Flugabone is a real instrument made by King. They’re fun.

@domepiece11 10 месяцев назад

I had no idea pure copper was even used. I liked the regular bell better for the first piece. The copper bell sounded too dull. Trombones already tend to have a great jazz sound at lower volumes. I could see using a rose brass bell for trumpet or cornet perhaps.

@SamuelPlaysBrass 10 месяцев назад

I do have a cornet with a fully-copper bell and both a trumpet and cornet with rose brass bell (you can tell it’s time to downsize my collection). Very helpful there. I’m surprised you preferred yellow brass in the softer volumes but you do have a fair point about trombones’ natural jazz leaning.