Brawl For All: Grilling JR

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On this episode of Grilling JR, the voice of wrestling, Jim Ross and host Conrad Thompson dive deep into the development and missteps leading to the WWF Brawl For ALL. Who was behind the ill-fated idea, whose career was ultimately damaged by the event and so much more.
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@marqryan5218 Год назад

I was a student at Harley Race's school several years ago. He brought in Steve Williams for a show once, and he was the nicest guy you could ever meet. He was more excited to be there than we were.

@joen8529 Год назад

JR: “You’re not going to take Bart Gunn down punching. You’re just not.” Butterbean: 😆

@wilhelm4321 Год назад

Well I think he was speaking about amateurs not decorated professionals.

@goldenserenity2385 Год назад

People were getting whipped like government mules in that Brawl 4 All

@ihavetubes Год назад

It also shows most didn't even know how to fight.

@thejoshernaut6730 Год назад

I'm just not buying JR's story. Bart was definitely punished for beating Dr Death. JR said the plan was always to have Butterbean fight the winner. There's no way JR would put his boy Dr Death against Butterbean had he won.

@johnlewisbrooks Год назад

Lol that thumbnail mockup of JR sticking it to Butterbean is quite hilarious!😅😅😅

@quincee3376 Год назад

I finally saw the Dark Side of The Ring on the brawl for it all

@CWBTV Год назад

No one beats Dr Death if you ask JR!!

@hitmangfx7162 Год назад

Doc would have been the perfect "hired gun" for Mr McMahon against Austin. I wouldn't have put the title on him, but a few stiff matches would have been excellent.

@protolegacy9184 Год назад

The best laid plans. And it all goes to hell.

@falconesports1581 Год назад

This should be a slobber knocker of an episode

@CasualGamerGameplay Год назад

Absolutely,i love watching videos and documentaries about horrible wrestling events or whatever the fuck this abortion of a tournament was because let's be honest, people enjoy watching Trainwrecks

@jamesmccarron4847 Год назад

Barn burner

@waffleironcheesecake Год назад

“This will be, in my view King, a streetfight.”

@jfkisgr8 Год назад

I watched all of the 1998 WWE TV within the last few years. I challenge anyone to watch those Brawl for All matches and listen to the crowd response in real time. Upon reflection sure, it could have been better. They didn't present it on tv as "real" while Austin's stuff was "fake". It was presented as WWE wrestlers fighting using non wrestling rules. Also you can look at the careers of everyone involved on WWE TV pre and post Brawl for All and it's not like Godfather vs Steve Williams was ever going to be a thing on PPV.

@micahjohnsonboxing6409 Год назад

This is correct

@e2go 11 месяцев назад

Brawl for All segments outdrew WCW in every fight but one and that was when Hogan went against Hall. It could've been much better but it was pretty compelling TV. And you're right about real vs. fake. Just a different rule set. Well said.

@jerrydwolfinteractive Год назад

I like how JR honors his high school team with his ceiling fan, Westville Tigers.

@drewbog1055 Год назад

Only reason JR hates it was his boy got KTFO...If it was Dr Death it would have been the greatest thing ever.

@KaitoRyuga Год назад

Dr. Death is Jr's boy

@TribalThief Год назад

His boy got whopped

@c.j.garcia8075 Год назад

That thing on JR's ceiling looks like a final Labyrinth boss in a Legend of Zelda game.

@joshuacampbell289 Год назад

Trust me guys when I tell you that everyone I knew thought Bart Gunn could whoop anyone’s ass in that locker room after that Brawl for All. You guys really blew it by burying Bart Gunn

@frankyturrizo4240 Год назад

I'm sure many people told Vince that Bart stood NO chance against ButterBean, it was to flush Bart down the toilet and humiliate him . .. why not put an accomplished bar fighter in an mma match with Severn . Or a mcdojo karate black belt in a kickboxing match vs a former muay thai champ EVERYBODY knows what's gonna happen

@RMetsy Год назад

Looking forward to this one.

@dr.loomis4221 Год назад

K thanks for telling us...

@at5261 Год назад

@@dr.loomis4221 poo

@joen8529 Год назад

@@dr.loomis4221 I mean, why not? Do any of the comments really have a point, when you think about it?

@RMetsy Год назад

@@dr.loomis4221 pleasure

@garyhen2028 Год назад

Imagine if bart would have knocked out dan or ken, thats a legacy killer!

@benellis9665 Год назад

Maybe someday when my health's better......before taking a huge drag on a cigarette. Classic JR!

@robintaylor485 Год назад

Red Rock Canyon Grill very tasty

@samuelmccorkle7013 Год назад

Bart Gunn THE TOUGHEST SOB IN THE WWF

@DolFunDolhpinVtuber Год назад

I have lost so much respect for JR after hearing what Hardcore Holly said in The Hardcore Truth about Jim's behaviour towards Bart Gunn after her beat Steve Williams.

@karlepaul6632 Год назад

One of the stupidest ideas for an event, I can't imagine it even looked good on paper. Really had more to do with "We're really hot, it's different, let's do it!" 🤦 Great episode!👍

@ihavetubes Год назад

Also, how the hell was Doc supposed to win when the matches were more geared towards striking and not wresting as the Ref would force a stand up to not allow ground and pound like you have in mma. Whoever set up the rules made Doc lose.

@penskepc2374 Год назад

Yeah, it really makes no sense how it made it to reality. A business that deals with injuries so often should have not had an issue seeing how poorly this would end.

@penskepc2374 Год назад

@@ihavetubes because hes the biggest BadAss! I'm sure the conversation went something like that 😂

@diluted8 Год назад

I was at SummerSlam 97 in the meadowlands 🖤with my mom r.i.p

@Adam-ov5ie 11 месяцев назад

Not sure why JR thinks Dr. Deaths injury ended his career. At WWE maybe but he cameback and wrestled a lot in Japan over the next several years.

@e2go 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, it's a bizarre narrative that's been perpetuated over the years.

@michaelfalkner1186 Год назад

What I can't understand is why half the undercard wasn't fired after the Brawl For All... I mean, what we found out about more than a few of them is they couldn't really fight at all -- how are they supposed to be able to "work" a fight after we now know they can't fight?

@herzkine Год назад

..based on that you would have to for mostlY all clowns in the rings today...even their fakes look like ballett

@e2go 11 месяцев назад

It felt like a situation where wrestlers fought under a different rule set, not that they couldn't wrestle anymore if they won or lost. It wasn't ever presented as real vs. fake.

@kevthegoat8774 Год назад

Savio Vega's fight against Brakkus was great and the crowd loved it, Brakkus looked like he had never been in a fight before which wouldn't be surprising as the guy was massive so I doubt most people would try but Savio looked much better than most. The Godfather and Scorpio was a good fight and probably the most skilled fight of the tournament with both guys showing some good novice boxing. Steve Blackman taking down a Golden Gloves Boxer at will was awesome. Droz and Bradshaw was a fun slugfest but Droz should have got the victory. Bart Gunn and The Godfather was another fun fight with some nice exchanges until Bart's power was too much for The Godfather.

@joen8529 Год назад

Why didn’t they just give Bart a title shot. How dumb were they with the Butterbean thing. FFS.

@cb3648 Год назад

Funny thing was the only person who got over at all or benefitted was Bob Holly, after he held up well against Bart they started doing the Hardcore Holly gimmick and he started wrestling Al Snow regularly, that one where they fight in the Mississippi river was great.

@OneUltimateWarrior Год назад

Bart Gunn could've been a top player, but he needed a manager.

@skittymcmahon 11 месяцев назад

@@cb3648good point. I think The Godfather benefitted too. He had a better than expected showing.

@thetruecaretaker Год назад

I have a feeling JR is gonna have OU games on his monitor some Saturdays.

@misterwardy1972 Год назад

Jim Ross looking as well as I’ve seen for a while. Love it ❤

@kevthegoat8774 Год назад

Brakkus, Marc Mero, Quebeccer Pierre, Hardcore Holly and Hawk were the worst looking fighters in the tournament. Bart Gunn, Steve Blackman, The Godfather, Scorpio, Droz snd Savio Vega were the best fighters in the tournament.

@garyhen2028 Год назад

My boy droz was screwed

@wewuzguac 8 месяцев назад

It is totally unbelievable to me that anyone thought Gunn would beat The Bean.

@joshuacampbell289 Год назад

A new opponent for Stone Cold was created in Bart Gunn. Butter bean destroying him didn’t affect that. Butterbean was always going to win that but Bart Gunn could have became a ultra heel complaining about Butterbean cheating or something and ultimately started bullying people around. It was so easy to do trust me

@Devin_10k 11 месяцев назад

Nice man!!!! I'm from Iowa!!! 👍🏻

@davidfrederick6003 Год назад

Another tournament that kinda sorta turned into a kluster f*ck was the January 1984 tournament for vacant NWA Television Title. (planned) yes but there were practically no SF matches.

@lalomontoyajr.9282 Год назад

I don't understand how they keep saying Bart Gunn didn't bring it after Brawl for All and didn't have the it factor when they didn't even give him a chance. All I remember was them giving him that mic time when they gave him those large golden boxing gloves and when he cut the promo on JR. But after that they didn't even put him in the ring with Austin, Taker, The Rock. You know, top main eventers to see if he could hang. They like automatically decided he wasn't a main eventer before even giving him a chance.

@e2go 11 месяцев назад

Even if they didn't want anything to do with him long term they could've used him winning the Brawl for All as a way to get others over, even at a lower level. The event itself wasn't very thought out but pretty compelling TV yet they didn't get anything out of it.

@TribalThief Год назад

His boy Dr Death got found out that he wasn't a "tough guy" 😂😂😂

@cb3648 Год назад

Doc in his day was really tough, but he had been working in Japan for years and All Japan which is pretty wearing on the body, plus he drank and did drugs so years of partying takes away your edge. The rules with points and takedowns but they have gloves and have to let people back up were screwy too. Even Cornette said Severn told him any idiot could win this thing which is why he likely dropped out to avoid taking a shoot loss on a fluke.

@jilujoilujiut2165 Год назад

@@cb3648 Yea doc was a bad ass in his day . But he had alot of wear and age at this point . Wasnt his hamstring also already pulled by the time him and gunn went at it . Ill never forget that clip of dr death taking that wooden chair to a free bird

@kevthegoat8774 Год назад

Tracy Smothers, Dan Severn, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Kurt Angle, The Road Warriors and The Steiner Brothers are all on record saying Doc was a legit tough guy. He literally took Bart down as soon as the match started but you have to let them up, Doc's boxing was awful though as he wasn't a boxer but he was in his prime very strong and even best future Olympic Champions like Jeff Blatnick and Lou Banach in the amateurs.

@ShadowAngel-lt8nw Год назад

You do know that he had to work injured in those "matches", right?

@TribalThief Год назад

Fights like he was stuck in a pillow case😂😂😂

@garyhen2028 Год назад

Butterbean should not have been the prize at mania! Damn

@silverbullet9442 8 месяцев назад

This episode/topic is such a great example of how Dave Meltzer has been able to dictate a ton of false stories in wrestling history just through his guesses and assumptions.

@bradunderwood5684 4 месяца назад

I was at Wrestlemania 15 in Philly that night. And the crowd reaction to Butterbean knocking out Bart Gunn was almost disturbing. It wasn't fair to Bart...or ANY of the Boys that participated.

@psyberoneofchrist2310 Год назад

Sting and JR are my favorite entities in all of wrestling.OMG! 😂

@Jim-Tuner Год назад

If you look at the WWE results from around that time, if Steve Williams had won and/or not been injured, he would not have gotten a top spot against Austin. The spot they would have given him was the spot that instead went to the returning Big Bossman not too long after. A really secondary spot.

@100thedarkdestroyer Год назад

Big Bossman made good money though and was featured a lot on TV. I'm sure Doc would've been happy with that spot, instead he kind of just faded away, and is probably remembered less than Bossman.

@smokedawg1 Год назад

What's worse? Getting beat by Bart Gunn or getting beat by a guy who put's his hands in his pockets???

@hhhguy2004 Год назад

Pockets !!

@BulletBill-yb3ti 3 месяца назад

All in their prime: Brawl for all King of the Ring Haku Steve Blackman Kurt Angle Brock Lesnar Ken Shamrock Dr Death Ron Simmons Dan Severn

@brandonthomas9288 Год назад

Its called a boxing license.

@ZEUSDAZ Год назад

Is this the PPV that Ross hit reality where his toungue was forcefully removed from Dr. Deaths anus when his man got KO'd by one of the guns and as a retaliation arranged Gun to get KO'd himself by butter bean?! 🤔 😂

@michaelinhouston9086 Год назад

Yes

@chris98614 Год назад

Bart guns reward for winning just doesn't make sense... butterbean? A pro boxer famous for knocking people out!? How is that pushing the winner???

@josephnicolino8529 Год назад

What do you all think about this tag team? Dr Death and Dan Severn managed by Jim Cornette.

@anthonybick9264 Год назад

So if what he is saying is accurate then they were pushing whoever won into a knockout via ButterBean? Interesting. So the whole thing from the start gets talent injured. To top it off you're basically banking on the person who comes out unscathed to get dusted on PPV haha. Fascinating. So they would've killed Docs push anyway??? With him getting dusted by Bean? So where do we go from there.....

@TheBaitShopGuy Год назад

Good ole JR posting this brawl for all up Although three years after Corny and Dark Side covered it in spring of 2020

@Rschr101 Год назад

Cornette still running scared of Russo. When is he gonna face him in a debate instead of crying about him like a woman?

@callum6486 Год назад

@@Rschr101compare cornettes podcast numbers to russos. Let's see the results

@hitmangfx7162 Год назад

Tbh, I NEVER get tired of seeing this get covered. It's such a strange anomaly of clusterf*ck that will likely never happen again.

@Kevinjoseph12344 Год назад

my god how could two people have the same name that are some of the most common first and last names how strange

@Pac_2o12 Год назад

God Bless Jim

@darrylgrant4718 Год назад

I'm a fan of JR, but he's completely full of shit about what happened with Bart Gunn after the BFA, which is probably why he gets so much guff about this. He claims Bart didn't have enough charisma and didn't get over, when Conrad illustrated clearly (with dates and TV appearances) that Bart never got a single chance to ride his win into any kind of spot. After winning the tournament, he didn't make another appearance on TV for SIX MONTHS. How is that going to get him over? They immediately (and likely, intentionally) cooled him off. By the time of WM XV, the Brawl for All was a distant memory and no one gave a shit. It's especially ironic hearing JR talking about Bart's lack of charisma, while simultaneously bemoaning lost opportunities for Dr. Death, who had less charisma that virtually anyone on the roster at that point. I don't know who decided to keep Bart Gunn off TV for six months after winning this thing, but if JR is honestly puzzled as to why he gets shit for this debacle, maybe he can explain how and why Dr. Death would've gotten a run with Austin if he had won, yet Bart Gunn was rewarded with six months of indie dates and zero TV time.

@dylanbryant3547 Год назад

wwe should bring back a mma style fight tormerment

@smokedawg1 Год назад

NO WAY was Doctor Death ever going to go up against Butter Bean!!! So they thought Doc. Death was going to win, and then they were going to let Butter Bean knock him out at WrestleMania???? To get him ready for a program or a match with Steve Austin??? I've got to call b.s. on that!!! I'm sorry!!!!!

@smokedawg1 Год назад

I am a big J.R./Jim Ross fan no matter where he's at, or what he's doing on whatever show. But the Butter Bean thing, I just can't believe that was planed for everybody that would have won.

@handsolo1209 Год назад

IF Dr Death won the Brawl they would have worked the match with Butterbean to have Dr Death win. They didn't give a damn about Bart Gunn, so they didn't work that match.

@cb3648 Год назад

@@handsolo1209 Plus Bart just tried to box, if he would've tried takedowns he might have had a shot, but even though he was a gimmick boxer, if he caught you with a punch in 4 rounds or less you were going down.

@analiysanchez9949 Год назад

I heard takedowns weren’t allowed in the butterbean fight.

@herzkine Год назад

Butterbean in a role a boxer had some reputation to loose too,doubt he would have agreed to work a boxing loss.

@andrewring378 Год назад

Man they really could have had some fun with Bart Gunn what a mistake putting him against Butterbean a professional boxer in a shoot.

@e2go 11 месяцев назад

That's the only thing I don't like about Brawl for All. It was a voluntary event and pretty compelling TV. The rules could've been better and more thought out but it wasn't horrible. Putting him against Bean made no sense. Even if they didn't want to use him he still was the winner of the Brawl for All and could've been used to get other people over because of that.

@1978mackdaddy Год назад

I loved the brawl for all

@phillywhateverguy Год назад

In the moment i liked Brawl for all. But nothing good came out of if.

@thejanglezclan Год назад

oh wow, another thing that happened under JR's watch that he takes zero accountability for. color me shocked.

@penskepc2374 Год назад

Are you joking? He said he was all for it and aboard, but it was a bad idea in hindsight.

@Stable_Genius Год назад

@@penskepc2374I thought BFA was a Russo idea?

@joypadlad Год назад

They really should have just done an exhibition or two before starting a tournament so they could at least introduce it and learn what to tweak. Pay the guys extra that agree to be the test subjects. At least that way, they wouldn't be stuck committing to that awful tournament.

@jasonbudrow4776 Год назад

But if doc would have won, by God it would have been the greatest thing ever. Doc can whip the whole roster

@myabbydad Год назад

Wait, Jr smokes?

@cb3648 Год назад

Yeah funny enough even during the hardcore testing in the 90's. JR, Bruce, Brisco, etc were all fans of the green gimmick.

@hellokittybebop Год назад

Damn I work next to red rock

@junkmalware3323 Год назад

"I had a relationship with a lot of guys."

@iAintSayDat Год назад

How could JR set up a shoot for someone to win. That makes no sense. It’s a shoot you never know.

@CraigSmithII Год назад

On JR's old podcast when he had Terry Funk on his show, Funk said that the Kimura Lock is new to everyone else but to guys like him & others, it's the old school Double Wristlock. My late Pops' showed me how to do this move--along with the Crossface Chickenwing-- from his time with US Navy

@realityorfiction Год назад

The Kimura lock was used by Masahiko Kimura, pro wrestler and judo champion. He was active in the 1930s to 1960s. So it has technically been a "Kimura lock" for 90 years. Now, when did they start calling it that? I think it's like when you watch aew and Excalibur renames every move he comes across using Spanish and Japanese.

@christiancharles2866 Год назад

DAMNIT!

@garyhen2028 Год назад

Bart was promised a austin run! I don't think they had one match.

@protolegacy9184 Год назад

Steve William's death and a low point from the event to a segway for a product placement. That could of been handled better. At lest out of respect for JR as its a tough topic for him.

@himothy9871 Год назад

ngl i thought this said brawl out lmfaoooo

@The_Sage_of_Six_Paths Год назад

Where's Jim's mic?

@ogdannyg1 Год назад

GOD BLESS DR DEATH BABY ☠ WE KNOW WHO WAS THE BOSS OF THAT STORY

@johnlynn9388 Год назад

I never understood how they thought this would look good on TV. If you’ve ever seen two journeymen have a boxing match that isn’t very entertaining. Most of the guys were untrained as boxers and the rules and the big gloves stopped it really being an MMA fight.

@joshuacampbell289 Год назад

No bro. Safe would have been boxing rules only

@countof3everybodyOD Год назад

17:52 JR never met Kurt Angle? 🧐

@roundandmakessound 4 месяца назад

I don’t understand how Godfather got an infection in his leg

@MrJawstherevenge87 7 месяцев назад

I dont believe butrerbean was set from the beginning because he wouldve beat docs ass too! So he was a panic mode end to bart gunn climbing

@thecolonel3995 Год назад

They always say “Russo cost them 5 million”. Dr Death was NEVER gonna get over to that 98-99 WWF audience. He couldn’t talk, he didn’t “entertain”

@micahjohnsonboxing6409 Год назад

Yeah I'm not sure he'd have ever drawn during any period.

@100thedarkdestroyer Год назад

Everyone who faced Austin was over. Doc just needed to be muscle for Vince and he'd get a ton of heat. Big Bossman ended up taking that spot.

@thecolonel3995 Год назад

@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 He was always more of a WCW/Southern style wrestler in the Mid-South realistic wrestling vein. Which was the complete opposite of 1998 WWF phony entertainment wrestling

@ihavetubes Год назад

We will never know, he got so beat up in japan

@quannylee5159 Год назад

JR be acting like WWE treated him so bad

@ihopeyoudie30 Год назад

Only reason they had take downs was for doctor death 😂 if he has one would he of fought butterbean? 😂 its crazy how they even thought he was good enough to work with austin 😂😂

@0089nyyankees Год назад

Idk I think Bart Gunn fought Butterbean as punishment. If Doc would have won I don't think he would have fought Butterbean.

@garyhen2028 Год назад

Damn i didn't know toby has cancer

@kevthegoat8774 Год назад

Williams was past his prime back then, he wouldn't have beaten Steve Blackman or The Godfather either at that time.

@Rschr101 Год назад

Yawn, another Russo bashing show. Say what you want, the show was never better than when Russo wrote it. Ratings were never higher either.

@goldenserenity2385 Год назад

Exactly. Austin and Rock were there after he left, and have appeared for several stints and it was never like it was in 97 - 99

@christiancharles2866 Год назад

Yes it was best 97-99 but the Brawl for all still sucked

@adrianriley753 Год назад

There isn't any Russo bashing here

@callum6486 Год назад

Sorry but there's no defending the brawl for all. Regardless of your opinion of russo.

@goldenserenity2385 Год назад

@@callum6486 AEW should have something like it. Most of their booking is 50/50 anyway

@XSwordStoneX Год назад

I didn't know JR smokes. Disappointing but also concerning. He should take better care of himself.

@garyhen2028 Год назад

Jr hates the bfa! Why bring this up? Its like the Montreal screwjob and the plane ride from hell.

@kevthegoat8774 Год назад

Doc did try takedowns against Bart but Bart was too strong and had an amateur wrestling background himself, I remember Doc saying in his shoot interview that he was meant to fight Scorpio but they changed the brackets. Based on their fights Scorpio was a way better boxer than Doc but I don't think Scorpio would have been able to stop the takedowns.

@christiancharles2866 Год назад

That'll stop your heart! - JR 😅

@jefflord1972 Год назад

Jr still making excuses. Bart beat dr death by taking him down. That’s how he tore his quad. Dr death got beat in his own style

@ajjjay9583 Год назад

Such a badass , got a broken down knee and get knocked out by Bart Gunn , JR is full of shit.

@CubeTX 7 месяцев назад

Bigger failure than the XFL?

@johnk7668 Год назад

58:45 Pronouns boy 😂 Vince was ahead of everyone on Pronouns. Does anyone know the origin of Pronouns on JR or Bruce’s pod when did they first discuss it?

@josephnicolino8529 Год назад

The Brawl for All was bowling shoe ugly.

@cryptomnesiac Год назад

Russo is the worst

@augustushaynes1311 Год назад

I was just thinking while looking at JR’s face during this episode….JR has the voice equivalent of the face of the “sexiest man alive”. To me, having an ugly face and a phenomenal voice is the next best thing to having a phenomenal face…not that JR is ugly. He’s ruggedly handsome for an older gentleman. With Jimmy Stewart’s charisma and John Wayne’s tenacity.