Yes, you CAN use it to scam merchants. Just make sure you cast 'Disguise Self' first, and drop it once you're out of sight. Also, Platinum is a metal. Exchange a Platinum coin for it's worth in Gold- again, use 'Disguise Self' to get away with it.
@@milesmatheson1142 Everyone wants to use Creation to scam merchants (which is fair enough because it's funny af and who doesn't love free money), but I struggle to believe any merchant with enough money to make a scam worthwhile would fall for it! If you're selling a huge block of precious metal, the only people who would want to buy it would be savvy enough to check to see if it was legit. Seeing as precious metals only last an hour, and gems only last 10 minutes, and a simple detect magic would foil your plan, I sadly don't see it as a realistic get rich quick scheme. It's not really about "getting away with it" by abusing disguise self, it's more about getting someone to hand over that much money without checking your goods first! As always though, if your table plays different to me, that's awesome, and Creation gets a whole load better!
@@DnDShorts I feel like picking apart the logic of it ultimately misses the point. The question is not, "Does scamming merchants with creation make sense?" It's, "Will your DM let you get away with it." Sort of along the lines of "Who would win in a fight? Whoever the author wants to win."
Hold on, Malleable illusions allow you to, quote "change the nature of that illusion (using the spell's normal parameters for the illusion)". So, why bother making the rope a 5ft cube? You can Create a tiny item, and change it into your 5ft cube of platinum. That'll save you a potion of hill giant strenght
You're right! I overcooked it a little huh? I assumed that changing the nature of the illusion would only change the material, but it totally would let you change the volume as well!
Which brings us to another option. Making a little snack that someone would put in their mouth, and then changing it to a ball of knives. Or a 5ft cube of platinum...
@@yotamgosh Actually, you need to see the object. Also, I think rules specifically prevent spawning/shifting an item if there isn't sufficient place to do so.
@@Krwzprtt Hmmm... If the only hiccup is the need to see the object you could change it the moment it passes their lips... Like a long noodle or something. If it can't thanos kill it, then maybe go for the option of creating a dagger, and then once you've stabbed someone, turn the dagger into a half body iron maiden... I mean, if you have an item that can change at will - the options are really quite staggering.
DM's note here: The table for improvised damage suggests that getting hit by a crashing flying fortress does 18d10 damage - i'd make that platinum cube clock in at 10d10, same as whirling steel blades or getting crushed by compacting walls. 5e seems to follow some kind of diminishing returns system, which i think is a good thing to implement into the game, or else dumping a barrel's worth of acid on someone would deal, like, 640d6 points of acid damage (average 2240), whereas a 10-ft diameter deluge of an Ancient Black Dragon's breath, which i imagine contains far more than just a barrel's worth of incomparably more potent acid, deals... 15d8 (avg. 67) damage... And you bet the party will buy a catapult to fire said barrels over long distances, breaking the game into a billion pieces - hey, this might be an idea for the next video!
@@genostellar, yeah when I had a frost giant longship crash into the docks a player was standing on I used 18d10 and it turned out to be only 72 damage in the end. But hey, that character only had 71 hp.
Man that almost matches my evil wizard. Cast Immovable Object on a pill sized ball of metal, deactivate the Immovability for one minute. During that minute get your victim to swallow the pill, and then reactivate the immovable object. If the victim moves at all thier digestive system gets ripped apart, therefore pinning them in place to execute or interrogate at leisure
@@nem0men_901 Yeah. But imagine the psychological damage the dragon receives after seeing a gnome bard chestburster himself out of its stomach by using bigby's hand to violently fist the hole left by the immovable rod.
Or create a neodymium railgun around a small pellet of iron, accelerating it over the speed of sound, and then convert it to a cube of platinum/osmium to make sure that they can’t dodge it.
At nearly 10 feet if your hawk familiar is in a dive that is actively targeting the enemy this becomes less of an issue. Especially if your party is slinging spells or arrows for damage and distraction. Keep out of melee range though. A nat one on that attach would suck to get hit with. Or just use some type of ability to hold enemy in place.
...so, correction if I remember my Cube volume math correctly: If you increase the length of any of the edges of a cube, therefore elongating them all, it works a bit different that what you portrayed. Namely, what you described for the weight was more along to 1ft × 1ft × 5ft, rather than a 5×5×5 cube. Namely, if I recall correctly, the volume and total weight would multiply by 5 to the power of 3, a.k.a. 125. In other words: You vastly underrepresented the weight of a 5ft³ block of platinum, to the point where it would be 25 times heavier than you said... which is even more terrifying.
@@DnDShorts Btw, technically planium is far from the heavyest element on earth. That would go to Tungsten, which weighs a whopping 0.7lbs/inch^3. Meaning a 5 foot cube of it would weigh a total of 187542867 lbs. Meaning if you use your 1000lbs falling 10 feet means 10d10 damage, it would deal a total of 1875428670d10 bludgeoning if I did the math right. Also yes, you can do this as long as you've seen tungsten before in your game.
But I'm not done yet. Because if 10ft = 10d10/1000lbs Then each additional 10 feet should make it deal an additional 10d10 up until terminal velocity which based off of fall damage is 200ft. Meaning if you dropped it from 200ft up, it would deal 37508573400d10 bludgeoning damage. Oh... And if you upcast it... *evil laughter*.
This reminds me of my first campaign I played. We just finished a boss fight at the top of a couple hundred foot tower. While our characters were exhausted and low on hp, our DM decided to send about a dozen or two undead at us from the base of the tower. Now we were cornered I had a ring of feather fall and our Rouge had spider climbing boots, but no one else could escape. I decided that since we had a few minutes before the reached the top to cast creation to make a large sphere of metal and roll it down the stair case. I still remember the look on my DM's face, he was like "wait what?". I was an evocation wizard and he was already confused when I wanted to learn creation last session, but didn't expect me to actually use it to kill anything. Luckily the roll to see if it was going to calapse the tower when it smashed through the wall at the bottom was in our favor. Fun times.
The Malleable Illusion feature let's you change the spell within the spell's original capacity. So couldn't you first create a marble and have your familiar fly it up and then change the marble into a 5-foot cube of platinum as both are within the parameters of the original spell? Seems easier than wasting a potion of giant strength on a bird.
I did the calculations myself using air resistance and Earth constants, these were my results. *TLDR: 5x5x5 cube of osmium, falling from 580 feet will reach the ground in 6 seconds (1 round), and impact with the Kinetic energy of 30 kg of TNT and make a crater that is about 50 feet in diameter* So I used osmium as the metal of choice and did the math for it. Note: I am rusty of my physics so double check my work... Note: There will be rounding error, but I tried to round down in each circumstance osmium volume : 125 ft3 surface area : 25 ft2 -> 2.32258 m2 density : 22.61 gr/cm3 -> 1411.4962 lbs/ft3 weigth : 176437 lbs -> 80030 kg terminal vel : 1369.8553 m/s -> 4494.2213 ft/s v = sqrt(2*m*g/(p*A*C))*tanh(t*sqrt(g*p*A*C/(2*m))) where m=80030, g=9.81, p=1.225, A=2.32258, C=.294 v = sqrt(2*80030*9.81/(1.225*2.32258*.294))*tanh(t*sqrt(9.81*1.225*2.32258*.294/(2*80030))) v = sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5)) meters per second tau = sqrt(2*m/(g*p*A*C)) where m=80030, g=9.81, p=1.225, A=2.32258, C=.294 tau = 139.663 seconds for t = 1*tau : v = .760 * v_t t = 2*tau : v = .960 * v_t t = 3*tau : v = .995 * v_t let's use t = tau* 2, t = 279.326 seconds to reach 1315.06 m/s -> 4314.45 ft/s this is seen by the equation above, v = sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5)) when t = 279.326 v = 1320.74 m/s, roughly the same Now to just find the height needed to reach this speed. Roughly speaking, integral of velocity is position, so take the integral of the velocity function with respect to t. integral of (sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5))) from 0 to 279.326 position = 253,523 meters -> 831,768 feet Using Earth as a metric, the atmosphere ends roughly at 12 km, or 39,000 feet this position value is significantly higher than that, so the effect of gravity would need to be changed plus it isn't really feasible, so let's step it down, I'll speed up the math... t = 1*tau, t = 139.663 seconds integral of (sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5))) from 0 to 139.663 position = 82,996.9 meters -> 272,299.5 feet, which is still way too high. Since these numbers are so high, let's take a difference approach How high for it to drop within 1, 2, and 5 rounds of combat? integral of (sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5))) from 0 to 6 h1 = 176.506 meters -> 579.087 feet v1 = sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5)) for t=6 v1 = 58.8174 m/s -> 182.97 ft/s integral of (sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5))) from 0 to 12 h2 = 705.375 meters -> 2314.222 feet v2 = sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5)) for t=12 v2 = 117.418 m/s -> 385.22 ft/s integral of (sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5))) from 0 to 30 h5 = 4380.49 meters -> 14371.686 feet v5 = sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5)) for t=30 v5 = 289.824 m/s -> 950.866 ft/s Now we have 3 sets of numbers to work with, time to calculate the energy of the block Kinetic Energy = .5 * m * v^2 where m is mass in kg and v is velocity in m/s KE1 = .5 * 80030 * 58.8174^2 KE1 = 1.38431 * 10^8 joules (138,000,000 joules) KE2 = .5 * 80030 * 117.418^2 KE2 = 5.51686 * 10^8 joules (551,000,000 joules) KE5 = .5 * 80030 * 289.824^2 KE5 = 3.36118 * 10^9 joules (3,361,000,000 joules) For reference 1 kg of TNT releases 4.6 million joules (4,600,000) atomic bomb dropped on hiroshima was about 1.5*10^13 joules, (15,000,000,000,000) So this is closer to TnT, but still pretty crazy amounts of energy. Let's do the math, KE1 = 1.38431 * 10^8 / (4.6 * 10^6) KE1 = 30 kg TNT KE2 = 5.51686 * 10^8 / (4.6 * 10^6) KE2 = 120 kg TNT KE5 = 3.36118 * 10^9 / (4.6 * 10^6) KE5 = 731 kg TNT Now for the tricky part of converting to DnD damage, there may be a better way, but I'll use the info from a stick of dynamite 1 stick of dynamite = 190 grams = .19 kg 1 stick of dynamite = 1 d6 dmg so dmg/kg = 5 d6/kg (rounding up to .20 kg for a stick) meaning that, for every 4.6 million joules, you get 5d6 explosive damage so, assuming no caps and linear scaling, For 1 round drop time(KE1): 5 d6/kg * 30 kg = 150 d6 damage (avg: 525 dmg) For 2 round drop time(KE2): 5 d6/kg * 120 kg = 600 d6 damage (avg: 2100 dmg) For 5 round drop time(KE5): 5 d6/kg * 731 kg = 3655 d6 damage (avg: 12792.5 dmg) And it is worth while to note that this requires your familiar to fly up to the respective heights, Let's use an owl with a flying speed of 60 ft, assuming movement + dash per turn... h1 = 580 feet, so approximately 5 rounds to get to this height (30 seconds of flying) h2 = 2300 feet, so approximately 19 rounds to get to this height (570 seconds of flying) h5 = 14370 feet, so approximately 119 rounds to get to this height (714 seconds of flying) Edit: For fun I did a t = 3*tau calculation: Well, what if we throw realism out the window and go with t = tau*3 for a 99.5% terminal velocity shot. Then the KE would be much higher. So t = 420 (roughly) v = sqrt(1.877*10^6)*tanh(t*sqrt(5.126*10^-5)) v = 1363.36 m/s KE_max = .5 * 80030 * 1363.36^2 KE_max = 7.437 * 10^10 KE_max = 7.437 * 10^10 / (4.6 * 10^6) KE_max = 16,167 kg TNT KE_max = 7.437 * 10^10 / (1.5*10^13) KE_max = .004958 atomic bombs All being said, having .5% of the power of an atomic bomb is pretty crazy. Edit2: Did some Crater maths, for the lowest power it makes a crater of approximately 16 meters diameter, which is 50 feet rounding down. For the 2 round drop, it is 22 meter diameter, and for the 5 round drop, the crater has a 32 meter diameter. On the high end of power, craters can get up to 600-700 meters in diameter.
@@haerdalis84 According to google, the highest flying bird, a Ruppell's griffon vulture can cruise at up to 37,000 feet. So if *a* bird can, then yes. For owl's, it is harder to say.
I respect the math, but do feel the need to point out that that atmosphere extends 70-100km (100km being the Karmen line), and that gravity is basically unchanged, so there would be no real need to change g in your calculations (e.g at 250km above sea level, g would still be roughly 8.69m/s^2, so you could get a decent guess using about g=9.2). I admit no bird could fly that high, but a caster using fly or teleport would have no issue
4:30 it’s also common sense that an arrow can kill someone in one shot. “Common sense” doesn’t work when determining how much damage. And even if you deduce that it is equivalent or stronger to having a roof collapse on you, you have no basis for the scaling increase to 68d10
@@bennwardhaugh3013 yes.... but there is no basis for the scaling. The book has multiple over weight-impact examples with different damage values that dont scale to the same way as the roof. Just because something weighs X pounds more doesn’t mean that you can automatically apply this damage formula. Also, there’s no indication of how heavy the roof is. A longsword weighs three pounds and a dagger weighs 1 pound. That doesn’t mean that a longsword deals 3d4 damage. It deals 1d8. There is nothing to justify his damage formula. The rules contradict it. So much factors go into the amount of force something causes also. An object falling from 10 feet is very different from an object falling 30 feet. We have no indication of how heavy the roof is. There’s also no indication of whether shards of debris skewering the target are factored in. There’s also no indication of the dc to dodge the block. There are countless issues with this showing that this strategy does not work in the rules. again, common sense doesn’t apply for damage. Fall damage stops increasing from heights way lower than when terminal velocity would be achieved in physics (and also with disregard for outward increases in downward speed and what surface you are impacting with)
It gets even better since you can see through your familiars eyes you could technically cast this spell multiple times to create a few carrots put them in a bag let the familiar fly up and make the familiar turn it inside out and then use your actions to turn each carrot into a metal block of tungsten. over a minute you can create 10 5ft blocks of tungsten in the atmosphere and since its a precious metal you just created a shrapnel meteor swarm.
I'm looking forward to "Crown of the Oathbreaker". Supported it on Kickstarter. Dropping a weight from that height would unfortunately still likely require an attack roll to accurately hit your target, but hopefully there are enough casters in the group to bless and guidance the bird on top of everything else.Also, if it's an invisible familiar, that attack roll will be made at advantage, so better chance to hit.
@@suracha8130 You can however command them to pick up and drop things. If dodging a falling rock is a save, then I would imagine dodging a falling cube of platinum is one.
@K Vid Nah. You just need a Druid. Just have the Druid cast Entangle. How is the enemy going to avoid getting hit when it can't move? And with a 90 Foot Range, your Druid will be well outside the 50 Foot Radius Impact Crater of the object you just dropped. Also, since Entangle restrains the target, your Familiar would automatically get Advantage on its Attacks. And if you just want to add insult to injury, have a Level 10+ Graviturgist in your party. They can cast Violent Attraction on the falling object to increase its velocity.
Surely it would be a saving throw, not an attack as you're only giving your familiar a command. If it's an invisible familiar I'd say the save would be at disadvantage too as long as it is being dropped from within 60 ft of the target
See, this is the stuff that gives DMs like me headaches. Fun Fact: I had a player turn a barrel of water into a barrel of Alchemists Fire...and then have the barbarian throw it, and due to table rules (dug my own grave here) As long as you have the tavern Brawler Feat, thrown items get a barbarian's rage bonus. I didnt even bother doing the math for how many dice that was. I just sighed, and activated the BBEG's death trap, which was triggered by his death, because the whole damn point of the campaign was to teach the players about using something other than explosions and war. They could ended the campaign, without killing anyone, and gotten the 'good ending' but nooo. Fricken ,murder hobos...
Sooo... they were extremely inventive and creative, and you rewarded them by... killing them all? 😑 Because they didn't submit to and/or didn't notice the presence of and/or didn't understand your "underlying moral teaching". Sounds like a terrible DM to me! 🙄
@@happyslapsgiving5421 The issue was a long running, and rather infuriating pattern of "Kill everything the DM describes as being alive, or animated in anyway" they would complain about how the boring the campaigns were, and then kill all the NPCs. All of them. they were not punished for being imaginative or creative. they were punished, because they had been warned, repeatedly, about killing all the NPCs and then complaining about 'lack of plot'. Eventually, they did learn the lesson, when the other DMs stopped inviting them to play, at all, because no one wants to be called a terrible DM, by the players who derail every campaign, killing every NPC before the NPC can even be used for plot reference or progression. I can handle murder hobos. Meat grinder campaigns, ok fine. But having bunch of murder hobos, who kill the NPCs without listening to anything said, complain because there was no plot...no, im not putting up with that.
Our D&D group went a head and found _another_ use for creation. We opted to create a 5ft cube of Dynamite. At first the idea was to use it as a Kamikazi option, if all else went wrong, since the blast radius would be several kilometers, as it would be 5.8 METRIC tons of TNT. But then... we realized we could just have the Wizard use Fly and drop the bomb from a high altitude. The BBEG (who was conveniently away at the time) wasn't too happy about what we did to his lair.
@@theangryMD Actually this version is out of date. It is even MORE easy to use now. First cast Tiny Hut and make sure all your allies are inside it. Then get outside and cast creation. Then use ENLARGE on your cube of dynamite, octopling the explosive yield. Then lit a fuse and run back inside the tiny hut. With this combo, if you use a 9th level spell on creation, you can create a 50ft cube of TNT, which will be equivalent to 20 KILOTONS of TNT! Just shy of the bomb dropped on Nagasagi! Best part, ANY wizard can use it, and if a Sorcerer has Ritual Caster, so can they. We call this combo, "The Fat Man".
I have an even worse variant sitting around as a load-bearing BBEG tool- use Creation to make a 5' cube of uranium (plutonium would be better, but good luck to any wizard in a medieval/quasi-medieval setting who wants to see any to be able to cast it. Uranium is a bit more plausible, although it likely won't be enriched stuff). It's going to be more than enough to be critical mass, and way up there in the realm of prompt supercriticality, but if you really want to make sure, you could Create it at a point in the air, and let the fall to the ground compress it. Get it right*, and it's a self-assembling nuclear/radiological device with a theoretical yield high enough big enough that the publicly available tools I found to calculate and model it broke. Let's just say... if your wizard cast it in Paris, the crater would reach at least four different countries, and he'd be at ground zero when the spell goes off. Anyone not in a Tiny Hut at that point (which lucky few isn't going to include the wizard, I'm afraid) is going to be killed instantly. Along with everyone else within several hundred kilometres. Although the good news is the fallout anywhere not at ground zero (which is going to be subject to secondary activation) will just disappear when the Creation duration is up, so the campaign doesn't need to pivot over to Gamma World. Works great as a set-piece for a Moonraker-style BBEG, forces the party to try and take them out before they can finish casting the spell. *Get it wrong, and they'll get a chunk of mildly toxic products from the decay chain, that'll have no more utility than a cube of lead (incidentally, one of those decay products). Or possibly a cube of unrefined pitchblende (uranium ore, with various silicon/iron inclusions acting as a moderator for radioactive decay. Still no boom), or, if the Wizard had actually managed to see plutonium beforehand, a cube of Pu-244 (a non-fissile isotope with a radioactive half-life of around 80 million years, and the only isotope of plutonium found in nature).
You wanna make this worse? Convert the rope into acid. A acid flask holds 4oz of acid and deals 2d6 acid damage, thus we can conclude that per 4oz of acid 2d6 damage is dealt. How much acid is within a 5 foot cube? A bit over 935 gallons or 149,610oz. This means that we would deal 74,805d6 acid damage or an average of 261,817 acid damage. Enjoy!
fly the object u plan to change higher, release it so it glides on an arc and then change to acid. u get a tiny acid rain. or just toss it like a baseball and u get a ginormous acid ball. or u can just drown someone in said acid.. acid cube is awesome! try adding poison!
Liquids are never treated as objects anywhere within 5e. You cannot create acid with this spell. Even if you could, it would still deal the same amount of damage as the item description says, because the amount is irrelevant for its potency in regards to the damage calculation in 5e.
Small correction- your enemy won't exactly turn into paste. There may be some of that, but that's not all that happens. You'll also see a couple of other things- 1: if it's not a clean hit then the pressure from the platinum block will shear through them like a razor blade (I have seen a heavy roll of soft plastic cut a person like this) and 2: anything that is pressed to the floor will become actual liquid if the enemy was a living creature. Cell walls fail under high pressure, even bones.
I had a wizard go into the Astral Plane looking for forbidden knowledge about godhood. He apparently didn't realize that dead gods were dead, but once he started finding the essence of gods trying to reconstitute themselves he used Creation to bust out a Ouija board and talk to their ghosts. Probably the most clever thing I've ever had the privilege of DMing, right behind the Barbarian throwing the Halfling Monk at the Big Bad.
I want to say I've heard that damage from dropping something on a creature maxes out at 20d6, though if it doesn't, counter point. When in dungeons, use mold earth to drop a 5x5 block of stone on enemies. By your ruling, it would be roughly 15d10 per 10 ft with a cantrip
One thing you could do is make, let's say, a wooden button. It will last 24 hours and will be light enough for anyone to carry around, then when you need to you can convert it into anything made of anything. My idea is if the campaign is set is sort of our modern time, then you can turn that button into a weapon or vehicle, like maybe a bike, a tank, or a nuke. My favorite would be a mech, though be careful still cause you have to have seen it and can only make it out of the material you saw it in.
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Be me Buy small airship with a Bombay door. Cast creation making a 5 ft by 5 foot cube containing 1" x 5' balsa wood rods (5 ft x 5 ft containing 3,600 square inches on one side adding in space for fletchings will double the space each rod takes up for a total of 1800 rods) tie each wooden rod to the bombing rack by a single silk thread. Fly over targets transmute rods into tungsten. Weight snaps the threads dropping the equivalent of 1,800 shots from an Abrams main battle tank. Delete pretty much anything with less than a meter of armor steel.
Even True Strike has its uses. It's useful for preemptive strikes as well as attacks while you are hidden. Basically, it comes in handy if you are being stealthy.
I laughed my ass off when I saw Oggs stats. The first 4 are practically identical to my Dwarf Barbarian, with his intelligence being only slightly better with a 6
You could make a bunch of wooden arrows for your archer friend (preferably a fighter with lots of attacks + action surge), have them shoot as many arrows at once as they can, and turn them into cannonballs as soon as they’re fired. (Maybe ballista bolts could work? Idk how big those are)
Speaking RAW: 1. One's reaction to do that would only occur after the trigger was taken, so there is no turning it around. 2. Changing the type of ammunition doesn't change the damage as that is determined by the weapon.
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This tactic is something I’ve been using with my current character with a few changes. My character is a vampire so I can become a bat, I have a mace that lets me use enlarge reduce three times a day and I’m wearing medium armor. The end result is a pancake where my enemy was
Before watching this video, I once played curse of Strahd with my friends. We were specifically playing the Strahd must die tonight as a one shot. My friend playing a barbarian with boots of flying and a rope of climbing carried my sorcerer a couple thousand feet above Strahd’s castle and I cast creation to make a 5ft cube of solid tungsten and dropped it on the church in his castle. Needless to say we leveled the building and blew an entrance into the crypt, as well as pissing off Strahd. Operation battle bus was a success.
This actually sounds like a really fun combo to do. And does look like a AMAZING trump card for a character...it would probably be a dex saving throw for the guy you are trying to crush...but...it sounds like a fun thing to have. I would allow it.
Dropping an item requires aiming, ask any bombardier. I'd make the hawk make a ranged attack roll with disadvantage, because I can't imagine a hawk is proficient at dropping ropes.
Magic Hand is better if you want to drop an object directly under the Magic Hand without Skill Checks/Rolls. However, enemies may be able to roll against this based on rules for falling objects which deals damage. This is NOT the same as Magic Hand knifing a target, so this not an attack / is allowed from this Cantrip's effect.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Tbh they're both equally good ideas as familiars can't attack, you're only giving it a command so all the target gets is the saving throw and even by taking half damage you're going to deal far more than the 68D10 mentioned as that calculation was based on a 1x1x5 cuboid, not a 5x5x5 cube (x25 more damage than stated!)
I did something similar with a transmutation wizard. Step 1: Acquire a cubic foot of iron. The weight of a cubic foot of iron is around 491lbs and the price of iron is listed at 1sp per lb, so you're looking at around 50gp. Optional: Get a blacksmith to cast the iron into a nice aerodynamic cone, or take the guild artisan background to do it yourself. I prefer taking the carpenter's tools for some other cons you can do by cutting wooden coin blanks though. Step 2: Use your minor alchemy ability to turn that iron into a nice light wood, preferably balsa. A cubic foot of balsa weighs between 6-18lbs. You want the lightest you can get so it can be held by things like a familiar or mage hand. It takes 10 minutes to do this, but it lasts for an hour. There's really nothing stopping you from renewing this every 50 minutes or so to keep it perpetually in it's wooden state. Optional 2: Have a little length or rope to carry it by so your animal companion or mage hand can easily hold and move this thing around. Step 3: The next time you're in combat, just have your animal companion or mage hand carrying this thing high above an enemy's head, then... simply stop concentrating on the transmutation. This doesn't require any sort of action or reaction to preform. You can do it at ANY time. The block or spike turns instantly back to iron, and the mage hand or animal companion can no longer carry it, forcing it to be dropped right onto the head of whichever enemy you choose, usually splattering them because you're level 2, and most things aren't that crazy yet. Great way to open up a fight, or just end any early single enemy encounter.
You could just cast Creation ahead of time, hold action (at 59 seconds) until you see the big bad and cast it above them. The spell has a 30ft range. The difference is this can be Counterspelled. Additionally, "the object must be of a form and material that you have seen before." The "form" is where they'll get you. But you could still drop a large rock on people and have the same outcome.
I've seen a player fly as high above an enemy camp as he could using the party's magic carpet and used creation to make metal pillar that he dropped on the enemy camp causing immense damage
I have an illusionist player who worked this out too and for the sake of not breaking the game but still letting him have his cool attack combo we just used the stats for a giants Boulder toss ability with his spell save for the DC
However, this is even better than you thought. Because it is a 5ft cube, that means each dimension is increased by 5. So, it would be 5x5x5 times bigger than the 1 ft cube, soooooo: roughly 125×the weight of a 1 ft cube
Or, since it has no interaction with creatures in the same place, you use that trick to turn a couple grains of "totally normal sand" to a 5ft cube of adamantine that surrounds a creature's head. Suffocating, unlike dropping a cube, does have rules, and nothing that needs to breathe can survive a whole minute of the suffocating effect. (It automatically applies, since they objectively don't have time to take a deep breath, so it goes straight to CON mod in rounds before uncon)
It's all fun and mages until the BBEG uses his legendary resistance to step 5ft to dodge the cube of platinum. Alternatively you could use a long range teleportation spell and a divination one like scrying to watch over your animal companion from a safe distance and turn the object into a 5ft cube of unstable radioactive element like plutonium to cause a nuclear apocalypse anywhere you want even with the legendary resistance the BBEG can't survive at the epicenter of a nuclear wasteland more than a few seconds without teleportation, resurrection or poison immunity. PS : I really like this king of video. Really wish they where more. PPS : Make your familiar a crow for a Touhou Project Reference!
Did something similar in a Pathfinder session. Shrank a huge boulder to the size of a fist, light enough to be lifted by Mage Hand. Our part fought a devil of some kind and my wizard hovered the rock over it, ended the spell and dropoed the boulder on its head. Instant death. The GM just stared at me in shock that his big-bad was dead. Making a rule on the spot that my wizard got traumatized by the bloodbath his boulder created and vowed never to use it again.
Actually, I calculated something similar a few weeks ago. I looked for the density of Osmium and Creation upcast to level 9 for a 25ft cube. And by flying, you overcome the need for the familiar. In the end I calculated the weight to a few thousand tons, and the average damage assuming 30kg per 1d20 damage dice (size of the dice determined by the size of the object) the average dice of that falling at terminal velocity was 3.5 million hit points
Valid point, and definitely correct that 5e does not really address fall damage! It's something I've looked into extensively for my own campaigns. Brief constructive criticism; the fall dam this video references on DMG pg120 is trap damage from a portion only of a collapsed ceiling (sounds more like a 10x10 section), and for context, the DMG a few paragraphs later assigns the same damage to a flame breathing statue trap. Better reference to use I think is the fall damage 5e does promote, which is 1d6 bludgeoning damage for every 10ft fallen. Also if you want to actually figure out force damage it's not just the weight of the object but other factors like height (which this video does reference, but where did the 10ft come from?), velocity (pretty stable at the acceleration of gravity), mass of the object, drag, etc. All that said... Common sense still says that creature is taking a ton of damage, so I think we can all agree on that point! Just couple clarifications to share, this is a really interesting subject! Thanks again for your thoughts and sharing this video, I hope this comment is additional for for thought.
1. Create adamantine armor 2. Be a Warlock with the Eldritch Armor invocation. 3. Either find some way to reduce the casting time, increase the duration, or try to anticipate the next fight. 4. Create the armor, touch it and instantly put it on and become proficient with it.
This week we fought a legendary hydra, with a party of a ranger/assassin7, two warlock 3 and two paladin 2(yes very underlevel but we are a bounch of crazy fool). We set a strategy beforehand, bough some oil we put in kegs, one of the warlock carry a keg 120ft in the air with his imp. And when the hydra came out, dropped it on the hydra (about 46 falling dmg) then on round 1, the ranger set it on fire with a arrow. So much dmg the dm cut the dmg in 4 and and added fire resistance.
why stop there? cast an 8th level creation and a gate spell out to the right spot in space and youve got a nukes worth of energy hitting whatever spot on the planet you calculated for.
Using Psionic Sorcery, as long as you get lucky or just a Wish you can ignore V, S and M components, so you could create anything that you have seen. You could make yourself an Artifact, or one of those items that gives permanent increase to stats. You may even create a luck blade with a Wish, or a Deck of Many things at the moment the next card is good, or bad and force your enemy to draw.
This could make fending off sieges much easier. Create pebble. Toss pebble off ramparts. Turn into cube of Osmium and watch it flatten/crater whatever is below. Just make sure to toss it far enough away from the wall to make sure it doesn't go with the enemy.
DM I would like to train my hawk familiar to turn a bag inside out. On an unrelated note I would like to fill this bag of holding with 500punds of bricks.
Another fun idea: Make stone arrowheads with creation and attach to arrows/bolts before combat (you have 12 hours before it disperses.) Shoot an enemy with arrow/bolt. Change arrowhead into poison/explosive/giant metal spike ball from within their body. Congratulations! Your enemy is now poisoned/exploded/evicerated.
U could cast enlarge on figther and give him weapon with bigger creation. Weapon sizes are addressed in the Creating a Monster section of the DMG. On p. 278 ''Big monsters typically wield oversized weapons that deal extra dice of damage on a hit. Double the weapon dice if the creature is Large, triple the weapon dice if the creature is Huge, quadruple the weapon dice if it's Gargantuan. A creature has disadvantage on attack rolls with a weapon that is sized for a larger attacker. You can rule that a weapon sized for an attacker two or more sizes larger is too big for the creature to use at all.'' and if there is problem that it s not a creature u could use some summoning spell.
Sneak within 30 feet of a bad guy while he's eating. Use creation to lace his food with bits of a poisonous plant, lead dust, radioactive metal dust, or sodium metal dust. Alternatively, use it to conjure a rock in his shoe and then attack while he can't run.
Liked the video because of the comment at 1:10. That being said, I still appreciated this video because I have a Creation Bard I'm' trying to flesh out.
I had a Dm once who let me make a Davey Crocket tactical nuclear mortar using creation. This was a modern technology campaign, we were fighting soviet hobgoblins. I started WWIII with a level 5 spell.
Only thing is you need to have to seen it before so in order for you to create the cube of heavy material you have to had seen a cube of the material or the rope of that amount put together. With the creation with malleable illusion you could make a bridge then when someone crosses you could drop them off.
Not really... Scaling the size and articulating Creation does require an exact 5 ft cube of seeing any material. You just need to see a bit for data reasons, then you can be creative with it.
As in book form and material that you have seen before doesn't say that you can scale it. If we don't allow weird limits on our spells it will just turn into a crazy magic arms race on wizard vs wizard and the world has to get remade do to the cataclysm so much of the shadow weave getting used that realms start to shift together. We end up adapting or quitting. Could bring for interesting world concepts.
Creation is also a great use for Wish Summon a 20x20 cube as an action (still only 30' range though) It won't always work, but worth having in your back pocket.
