Breen Imperium: Index Addendum 

I can see that, but there is a line in DS9 where it is clear the founders view the Breen like every other race. Though, it could just be the founders are used to hating other races. Also, good thing the founders never met Armus.

@@Endar0 I just take it as the writers didn't know what the Breen were at the time and wrote the scene like they were solids like all the other humanoid races.

My thoughts exactly.

It would explain why the Breen sought it out. It does look like founders had no clue the Breen were like that.

@@Endar0 Founders: "Take that solids!" The Breen: *Liked that.* The meme math checks out.

In an alternate reality/timeline, how would the Breen have faired in a Dominion that won the war in the Alpha Quadrant? Would the Founders feel more favourably to the Breen once they knew they were "Jellyish"? And the Founders would have made it a point to find out. They would have hidden a Changeling in Breen facilities disguised as an inanimate object.

Lmao this is the best answer

Now you've gorn and done it.

I completely a-breen!

Exactly!

I'm just pretending I never saw it, its in the 3000s so its not like ignoring disco s3-5 affect anything

Agreed. Some things should remain a mystery. We never saw the face of Charlie, only his 3 “Angels” and Bosley. We never saw Vera, Norm’s wife in Cheers. We never heard Morn speak in DS9, even though according to Quark, he never shut up. Yet one more reason why I never really liked Discovery. It’s like the middle child in a large family. Always fighting to stand out, and not always succeeding.

Lmao that's your argument? It ruins the mystery? They're not trying to be mysterious.

@@Ducky69247 they always were before but discovery dropped that completely, that's the problem

They are war like, and so mostly armor or army uniform on their warships.

Why is that a problem? In The Expanse, humans will wear their full suits on in combat. The hull can depressurize rapidly so it's better to rely on a personal life support system. Being gel-like, this problem is even more acute for the Breen.

@@gamervox1707 But even the klingons don't wear full respirator gear on their own ships they build for themselves, Are the breen more warlike?

@@uncleanunicorn4571 Breen is more like Rome empire military, well the killingon are more like Barbarians.

The armor holds cultural significance and they carry prisoners and make deals so it’s just kind of convenient that way, I imagine. Individual crew quarters are probably more frigid

Feels like they just repackaged their stupid take on the Klingons.

@@RobKMusic A little bit yeah

I'm rather disappointed because the DS9 version of the breen suits had eyes high on the forehead and a muzzle-like protrusion. I was expecting/hoping for something a little more unconventional in appearance.

There's been the theory that they have a disintegration function in their armor

@@AzraelThanatos or, a slightly updated version, that the gel form can't exist outside of the suit in normal temps (like Ric pondered at the end)

or maybe they just steal them from the wardrobe ;)

Primarch isn't uniquely Warhammer 40,000.

@@johnsteiner3417 I'm aware.

@@WokeWarrior From your first post it appeared that you weren't.

Imperium and Primarch both come from Rome, which is what 40k and the Breen are ultimately based upon.

If it was it'd be the first hint of subtlety in the show

they said that when you take their mask off they disintegrate so they could analyse the suits and whats left of the breen, but they wouldnt be able to examine a breen itself

When a spaceship blows up not much left

I guess they just evaporated before she saw them

Though even the 24th century Breen disruptor rifles Quark was selling were clearly designed for a humanoid to use.

@@kaitlyn__L For humanoid hands, yes. Their suits had those, because most other tech around them was designed with the humanoid body plan in mind. That's exactly the feedback loop I mean: Breen meet other species -> find out most are humanoid, so their tech is designed for that -> adapt their environmental suits to work with that, because they don't really have a preference either way -> become more involved with other species -> design their own tech based on the humanoid body plan for trading & compatibility -> adapt to the humanoid shape even more... etc.

Fascinating, so the Breen are not like the others in Star Trek in that they are shapeless jellyfish-like life forms that eventually evolved to be able to imitate the humanoids elsewhere, at least they are not thieving squids from Freefall - don't think Star Trek is ready for them. Especially Ferengi. They are able to harden their surface skin in the face of the elements, and cannot leave their refrigeration suits when these are in a gelatinous state. Which explains why no one had seen what a Breen looked like for centuries. And perhaps why they could change their appearance without much difficulty. It could also explain why the Breen were notorious for cold-blooded ruthlessness and cruelty with a strong aggressiveness that made everyone else dislike or mistrust them. They differed far too much from the rest of the galaxy with few exceptions such as the founders from the Dominion. Individually speaking, some Breen individuals could have tolerance for the non-breen and one accepted coexistence with them, but they are strongly xenophobic in their political orientation. At least the Star Trek producers had learned from the Gorn problem, the new Gorn was too alien, far too different in violation of established lore. Here they have tried to introduce new lore without too strong a break with speculation and information from before.

@@SKy_the_Thunder naw naw, the triggers grips etc looked too small to use with the gloves on :)

@@kaitlyn__L Even if we don't just chalk that up as the production error it probably was, it still makes more sense to assume those were weapons made for export rather than something specifically designed for the very rare cases they'd ever expect to engage in combat without their protective suits. Plus at that point they were definitely using the humanoid body plan (including hands), since true humanoids are able to fit in their suits. I merely suggested that there is a chance they may not 100% pass for humanoids outside their suits yet, explaining things like the odd shape of their helmets.

Splatoon!

"Isn't that immoral?"

Budget

Yup, all that time he spent dying and dead while solid proved the gelatinous state bit was entirely a throwaway plot point, quickly abandoned.

I don't get why they need their environment suits inside the ship They built for themselves?

For protection from space hazards or battles? With how little was known of them, they may wear the suits any time they leave their planet.

Yeah but it was stated in DS9 they have no blood, which complicates that sometwhat

Reminds me of the villain from Beyond, honestly. Who was actually just a human who took on an alien look due to stealing "life energy" from so many aliens.

@@The_Lucent_Archangel Yeah Idris Elba 🤣🤣 I forgot all about that lol

It's even more lame when they try to make it seem like fan service at the tail end of s***ting on the fanbase for years with terrible stories and episode-long marathons of crying and shouting in service of Space Sasha being touted as the best Captain evar. But pales in comparison to how readily some "fans" lap it up and just easily accept it. It's like being kicked in the nads every time you meet someone, but every now and then they buy you a beer as if that's supposed to make up for it.

​@@The_Lucent_Archangel"Here you go, you can dunk your swollen balls in this, all good."

@@Ketooey "I dipped mine before you started drinking. You're welcome."

A good mystery reveal is one that reveals a dozen more mysteries and secrets to explore

One of those questions that if ever answered will either reveal some great truth about The Universe, or drive You mad.

Haha this comment is the best one

Swedish Meatballs actually

​@@josiahzabel8596What's the difference?

@@oneproudbrowncoat who knows. Thats where G’kar left the statement off at.

Kinda like what what happened with the Forerunners or the Space Jockey. When your main aspect is how mysterious you are, you lose that charm with that exposure especially with less than stellar writing involved.

​@@dalekrenegade2596or the fact that once they do get fleshed out, suprise, suprise, they might as well be humans. Just how they ruined the forerunners and the breen

If only we could wipe STD from the memory of the universe. God if I were a billionaire I would spend my entire fortune to create a neuralyzer just for this.

it does seem to be the trend

Or Yaphit from The Orville.

Killed two. Season 4(or was it 3)and 7.

Yup

That's being a bit too kind to Klutzman and his merry group of hacks. Seems they caught a few more episodes of actual good Trek when half-asleep and sprinkled some odd little callbacks and tidbits that don't really mesh to try and help along pushing their agendas.

The same way you get a scar on your eyeball

​@@jameswillen6749no, not even close

Wildly unlike any species I've seen in Star Trek, Star Wars, or any other semi-serious sci-fi series, and people are pretending they're Orions in fancy clothes. There's no saving Star Trek fans who read "seek out infinite diversity in infinite combinations" and choose to believe it only applies to the nostalgic part they remember from childhood.

It's like poetry, it rhymes

That isn't their homeworld, it's just a planet you fight them on during their arc in STO.

@@thomasjoychild4962 Oh. Much disappointment.

Agree. It's a pile of 💩