Get educated. That guy in GA was passed out drunk right in the middle of an active drive thru - cops don’t call you an Uber for that; they rightfully take you to jail. Police responded to a call from the public about the situation and did not just happen upon him as the media would have you believe. That guy panicked because he was on parole and a DUI conviction sends him back to the slammer.
Did it warrant 2 shots in the back though is the question? They had his car and all his info already. He was going back to jail no matter what. Let him run, he had nowhere to hide at that point
Pretty much no other civilised country deals with it the way America does. Excessive force on drunken individuals does not end well. American police don't seem to be able to calmly diffuse situations and prefer to kill people
Rashard was a convicted child abuser that got released early because of COVID, he knew that getting arrested again would get him +6 years in prison so he freaked out.
Joe this is a very easy question. The education department is at fault K-college! You teach white lids to hate themselves, black kids to be victims and everyone else to hate America. Throw in having drag queen story hour for 5 year olds and professors backing antifa, archeologists tweeting diagrams how to properly pull down a statue it’s FUCKIN OBVIOUS who is to BLAME!
Joe Rogan: Alcohol is far worse than weed. Also Joe Rogan: Drunk driving is not that bad. Cops shouldn't be involved. As a Joe Rogan fan, I can't believe he thinks that drunk driving isn't a serious crime.
Stray7 he fired the taser he took from the cops while running away, watch the footage. If he were to tase the cops, whos to say he wouldn’t have went for the actual gun?
@@Stray7 He's not dead because he was running. Did all of you idiots NOT watch the video? Where he was beating the shit out of the cops and shot them with their own taser? If he was just running away he wouldn't be dead. If he hadn't been a fucking scum bag his entire life, he wouldn't have been in that position. Every shitty choice he made throughout his entire life, led him up to that point, and then he went and made even shittier choices that got him killed.
Wow. A drunk driver should get a pass because he’s “not trying to hurt anyone..” My wife would lose her shit if she heard this. Her pregnant sister was in labor and on her way to the hospital when a drunk driver struck her, killing her, the baby, the father of the baby, and a friend of theirs. Drunk drivers ARE trying to hurt people. They know they are endangering their own lives and the lives of anyone they drive near, and they _still_ sit in that driver’s seat.
You're missing the distinction that he gave in two ways. (1) He was specifically talking about cases where people had done no harm (no accidents, no striking your wife's pregnant sister and family), but rather someone who is over the limit while driving. (2) He wasn't talking about giving a pass to anyone, but rather citing and getting the people home safely to deal with later in court, rather than arresting , impounding cars, etc. You can certainly disagree, but you shouldn't misstate.
Dude a felon with multiple DUI and was passed out drunk at the drive through window and completely unresponsive...Hey buddy, social worker Jane here...can I call you an Uber?
Rockhardfister A drunk person’s unethical mind that chooses to drive is a deadly weapon. He deserved jail not to be tucked into his own bed. If you’d like, I could ask my 14 year old niece and two brothers 21 and 34 that are 6’ under, because of a pos like that, what they think? Oh wait. I guess I can’t do that.
Drunk driver put my mom in ICU for 3 days for brain hemorrhage since he hit 2 cars on his way home. A nice and compliant drunk driver is still a drunk driver. Theres plenty of stories of drunk drivers killing other drivers with families, this is nothing new. When a drunk driver send your love ones to ICU or cemetery, you”ll understand my perspective
My best friend in Jr High lost her mom, stepdad and 2 year old brother to a drunk driver. I understand and I have zero sympathy for people who drive drunk and get caught and suffer the consequences.
Damn rights. No sympathy for drunk drivers. I think it should be a one strike kind of thing. Drive drunk once and fuck off you’re not driving anymore. It’s a privilege not a right.
Okay he wasn’t even driving though. He was park taking a nap. Now at that point and I seen it myself because I work at a corner store, they should of called a cab or called his wife. Why take someone to jail? I seen drunk offf duties cops and his buddy either follower him home or takes him. What the difference???? He didn’t need to die. I can understand if he was pulled over on a highway but he wasn’t.
DUI was a violation of parole. The guy was a felon and he didn’t want to go back to jail. Update: Just context, and facts. Understand the situation and draw your own conclusions.
Maybe so but common sense should have prevailed and the police didn't show that. They could have parked his car and drove him home. They escalated a non violent situation into a deadly force outcome. We need the Police but further training is absolutely essential.
@@dwaynejoyce1357 Are you drunk or something? If everyone got free passes for BREAKING THE LAW there would be no need for police. He broke the law.....again.
@@MrLakin11 A msn drunk doesn't deserve to die not in my county anyway but in the states well it happens all to frequently that's why the shit is going down over there now. I though civil liberties were sacrosanct
@@dwaynejoyce1357 He was drunk and behind the wheel. Are you serious? Since when do we expect cops to take drunk drivers home to sleep it off? Last I checked DUI's were taken seriously and the population at large condemn drunk drivers. He then attacked the officers when they were arresting him for the universally agreed crime (Until this case in particular apparently) violently and took the cops weapon and tried to use it against him. SMH. This is getting rediculous
@@gangalee Usually because they comply with police instead of tackle the police to the ground and try to steal their weapons. In this particular case as well, he was such a great guy that he probably just wanted to go home to beat the shit out of his wife and kid like the good old days. I suppose thats a step up from the usual abandonment of family seen in these communities though.
We ask navy seals, journalists, politicians, random people on social media, etc how to reform the police? Shouldn’t we ask the low level police officers who are in the front line and are complaining about police issues but no one wants to listen to them?
The vast majority of these conflicts involve criminal behavior by habitual criminals! The focus is on the wrong side of this issue. It's a naive and reckless ideology.
I see the problem as one of budgets and politics in the name of personal career gain. Saying 'dont defund the police, we mostly do a good job' is correct, but also lazy and cheap. Saying 'then we need more funding into monitoring and training of officers so they can all do a good job' is what would really help change in my opinion.
Well, very high pension plans, extremely high taxes, gum wrapper drug chains triple flowing at the south border, big store companies leaving or bankrupt, and you can guess the binder ingredient,...Then the world in tuned by constant war, yet nobody sees the connectivity of it all,...😡🇺🇸
Where'd you get your research from? I couldn't find anything on child abuse? I did some research I found he was out of jail on probation for credit card fraud he was reportedly using a card that was not his and this arrest would void his probation..
@@grasshopper7000 He stole the taser, ran, turned his torso back and fired taser at cop. It's a deadly weapon. townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/06/17/da-in-brooks-shooting-used-to-think-tasers-were-deadly-weapons-n2570858
Yep, it's a dismantling of America, of capitalism, of law and order in favor of some sort of marxist socialist nightmare where there is only one allowed system of thought.
Wwattz I don’t know of a single group that idolizes scum of the earth more than BLM. Every single “innocent good person” that they put at the forefront of their movement by idolizing then as martyrs, have an underlying story that isn’t told till weeks later. Oh that cop was a racist and hated black people, that’s why he knelt on his neck for 8 minutes... OOOR did they work TOGETHER AT ANOTHER JOB PREVIOUS TO THIS INCIDENT and have recorded confrontations with one another which led to this cop having a previous bias towards the guy? There is always another part of the story they don’t want people to hear. It’s just black vs white.
I respect him for realizing his past mistakes .. but he shares much of the blame for this situation as a liberal university professor. And he still claims to be "Progressive" but surely he simply means that as an adjective? The "Progressive Movement" seems to be everything he's currently complaining about. He senses that there is a much larger, invisible force that is running things .. but yet he says the ANTIFA and BLM buttheads are "leaderless". I'm confused. He is absolutely correct about our American values going down the crapper. I''m not sure what he means by we need "something" to correct for slavery. What does he think we need? We've tried special economic incentives, affirmative action, many programs dedicated to helping black people, we've voted black people into powerful positions, we've shopped at black-owned businesses. Nothing seems to make a difference. Now they are tearing down statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, among others. And I have my browser even telling me .. "hey .. don't forget Black Lives Matter .. you white racist. And something about how we need to just listen" (Firefox) .. as if I needed a reminder and I haven't been listening? I'm sick of this and many others are. They are destroying this country. I say we need to hold everyone accountable for their actions and stop making excuses.
During the collapse of Yugoslavia in the absence of structured power after the war and atrocities. The power vacuum was filled by criminal gangs. Don’t destroy your country by letting go of rule of law.
@momentinpassing That just isn't true just look at what happened in CHAZ once there was no rule of law. Certain elements thought great lets take advantage and settle a few scores. People really need to take a good look at everything that played out there that's the future you will have if you pursue misguided ideals. It's not going to turn into a hippy festival the vacuum will be filled with those more brutal and better able to hold onto power. You want to see an unfairly stacked system just keep tugging at the threads.
Nino Carrion yes we should arrest anyone doing something illegal. Moment said there is one rule for one and another for the rich. I’m saying there is one rule for all under the law. By all means arrest corrupt people in the finance sector, law enforcement doing anything illegal as well as arrest people smashing up businesses and trying to burn down court houses. I mentioned CHAZ to show it as a microcosm of what will happen in the event of civil collapse drawing the parallel to the Yugoslav civil war. Why because I know people who were there as peace keepers, and people who had to flee their own country due to the rampant criminality. Once there was no formal rule of law being enforced it was party time for those that would take advantage of that. Then the battle to regain rule of law is a process that would take decades.
They are not Laws they are rules this is one of the real big issues people have been deceived into believing that laws are Laws when they are rules and the cops are coming down heavy on people who violate rules. Rules require people's consent and the people have a right not to consent to them.
@@samrowbotham8914 You're just playing a deceptive sematic word game. There are criminal statues that make DUI illegal in every U.S. state. Laws are generally enacted through the process of indirect consent i.e. dually elected legislatures create and codify almost all laws. If everyone tried to invalidate and weasel their way out of following laws because they viewed them only as "rules" which require personal consent to be valid, society would collapse within months. Imagine telling a judge that laws preventing homicide are not laws, but "rules," and since you doesn't "consent" to those rules, they are invalid and murdering someone isn't a crime. Lol
As a black man I respect that they both know what they’re talking about, something that’s needed in today’s society. Too much Ig And TMZ etc etc ...social engineering is giving false power and knowledge that has very little to do with coming together as one regardless of race.
We need more nuanced discussion like this, we all have different opinions on this, if we can't talk about it then there will be civil war this is why I hate the left who tries to silence every voice of nuance.
"as a black man" "as a white man" "as a woman" "as a short person" Why bother to identify with race at all? Its superficial. You give it power with words, you're casting spells about what reality you are plucking out of infinite possibilities with self limiting beliefs and language. Racism ends as soon as we stop bringing it into existence by validating the construct with language that creates some illusion based difference between yourself and another entity. As soon as people stop writing this script for themselves to follow we can all stop ourselves playing out this terrible identity politics based drama that will lead to further seperration and more hate based experiential outcomes.. If you ignore it it ceases to exist.
@@dropit7694 CNN didn't tell you how he was in jail for felony child abuse, or that he assaulted two cops and took a deadly weapon from one, or that he was shot only after he turned to fire said weapon at a police officer?
@@dropit7694 People armed with a taser who've committed violence against police and are trying to do everything in their power to avoid arrest are very dangerous. There are numerous stories of criminals on the run who have harmed and killed other people.
And I'm sure for some people, a relief that it is. There are enough drunks who can come off as the life of the party, but as soon as they get behind closed doors they turn into a 3rd round slugger. Their arrest may prevent some asshole from going home and beating the living shit out of their family. Even if just for a night.
@@dropit7694 - No, but an officer is justified to use deadly force against a subject who is resisting arrest and has a weapon capable of incapacitating the officer and that is what happened here. Both cops were charged by a politically motivated DA and they will be exonerated and the Mayor will be paying them a hefty civil settlement in civil court.
I agree with you, the Wendy's incident didn't happen because of aggressive policing. The guy had driven the car drunk, was making zero sense, and his alibi just didn't add up. So logical step, let's bring him to the station let him simmer down, figure out what's up. The go to put him in cuffs, he fights. At what logical point can you justify someone grabbing a cops taser and shooting it at them in this incident? The cops were not at fault, and even still the cops were just trying to keep him and everyone else safe.
He may be on to something along the lines take the car...run through booking, release. Found driving again before disposition..automatic 60 days in jail. The laws should be unwavering in their application. What happens post arrest varies way to much, based on to many factors.
Driving is deadly too, and there are plenty of drivers that have been negligent and caused deaths but because they were sober it was just an accident and they got off. But yea, let's ruin people's lives because they MIGHT hurt someone else.
@@BigShepp1432 Love to see all your reports of drivers negligently killing others and getting off. My guess is you have ZERO specific instances in mind...
Dubstep Shep so in your estimate there is no significant or functional difference between sober drivers and intoxicated drivers? One is not more prone to (deadlier) accidents than the other?
Yeah my first thought, he was driving drunk and passed out while behind the wheel in the drive thru. That was when the police were called. TBH why would he not drive drunk the next day if he got a ticket.
Rayshard Brooks was on parole so in violation of his parole they had to arrest him. Letting him go defeats the purpose of having conditions for those on parole EDIT: I'm not arguing whether or not they should have shot Rayshard Brooks. I'm arguing against Joe Rogan's point that they should have called him an Uber or taken him home. If you watch the body cam footage, the officer gave Brooks the benefit of the doubt initially (asked him if he just had a long day and fell asleep while waiting) and asked Brooks to just pull over and park to sleep. But when Brooks fell back asleep in the drive thru line, the officer began to have his suspicions because he smelled alcohol and noticed that Brooks had a glossy eyes. That's why the officer ended up asking for his license and registration and calling another officer. Brooks got out of the vehicle a couple of times and the officer told him nicely to get back into his vehicle. Once they found out that Brooks was on parole AND that he was driving under the influence after Brooks failed a field sobriety test, they had to follow protocol and arrest him. Right when they told him he was going to be arrested, that's when Brooks began to resist. I find it ridiculous that people want to argue that police don't know how to do their jobs and once they begin to do it right, people want them to break the rules and not follow protocol. The argument of whether or not they should have shot him is a separate argument because the circumstances changed once he began resisting and grabbed the officer's taser.
@@Etatdesiege1979 Did you not watch the video where he, while running, shot the officer behind him with the taser? Did you miss the part where he punched the cops head against the ground? I honestly can't imagine how people are dumb enough that they can't imagine a scenario where shooting someone in the back is necessary to save your own life or the life of others.
“Order me an Uber” where is the personal responsibility joe? He chose to drink and he chose to drive. If you’re a big boy, you can also do the responsible thing and get an Uber yourself, beforehand.
Freedom died a long time ago. Really have to arrest someone for that? And kill them? And people think North Korea is brutal. You people crave an authoritarian regime
@@fxmilitia1130 The rule of law is freedom. You should have the freedom to do what you want within the constraints of the law. When people break laws and arbitrarily get away with it, more people disrespect more laws. A breakdown of law and order is a loss of freedom. Society is when we trade some restrictions (minimum necessary laws) in exchange for other freedoms. Freedoms include safety and the ability to pursue prosperity via voluntary interactions with others. Are laws against drink driving necessary for public safety? Yes.
He gets ticketed and has to go to court, it's not just get an Uber and go home bye bye. Rogan has a point, the weight of the sanction matters much less than the propensity of getting one so long as there is some sort of balance. If people were certain to get 500 USD fines for drunk driving, no one would do it. If 0.1% of them get caught and need to go 2 weeks in jail, people won't care. You can argue that the rich then would not care because they can just pay, and you'd be right, so community service should be added to it.
He'll lose it anyway. Sjws are going to dig up some old clip about trans people, crime or whatever. There's simply too many tripwires. You can bet that Spotifys lawyers are already on the case to get out of this contract. Maybe give 50mill to the ADL and 50 mill to Joe to be rid of him.
I won't make a snap judgement based on a half-hour clip when there's still a (remote) possibility that he's honestly misinformed, but I sure hope he's not selling out. What a loss.
Right !! Joe has found his price tag!! The guy from Atlanta was drunk and wrong on all levels !! And I’m a young black man from Atlanta ! The real Atlanta (Linkwood rd)!
To add something (and I don't know if this is true or not) but I read that he actually drove to Wendy's drunk and fell asleep in his car in the drive through and that is why police were called in the first place. Again, I can't confirm this other than the article I read. If I can find it again, I'll try to post a link here.
the guy was drunk joe....a drunk driver killed my sister and you want me to agree that the cops should just pull them over and call an uber......no lesson learned with that...stiff punishment is the only deterrent
@@eliudnjai well lets see he punched both officers in the face took there taser ran and started firing of the taser at the officer while running which could of killed the officer if it hit him in the right place i have no pity also he said he was gonna go "a couple minuets down the road" as well
Soifthey did give him an uber home....Rashard would just say yeah I can keep driving drunk and the cops will just give me a ride home!....Until he kills a van load of children the next time.....that's what started MADD in the first place!
This comment is exaggerated so that we can see the contradiction. BUT People miss the fact that Joe gave very specific conditions for the whole "Instead of arresting you" idea. I'm not going to put it here, just re-watch the segment.
Are you trolling? The guy wasn't driving, he was sleeping. He only drove when the police told him to move his car. Joe was talking about getting an Uber. Police in other countries find drunk people and are happy to drive them around the corner.
It's a form of linguistic programming. NPR uses this form of communication effectively. This is the way people "Program" others to do their bidding .. by speaking in a calming manner.
@dennis Woodbury. Please consider opening up your mind a bit. Everything an “old school liberal” says isn’t wrong just because you’ve classified them in that realm. There is something to be said for experience!
@@jameza6129 okaaaaay what u doing. Laughing at this dude cause he thought common scene would extend further out into schools. I mean we all had to think that thought at one point but I think it's more of surprise it's not more normalized but maybe that's just me
Damn Joe, I usually agree with you, but a program to call a freaking Uber. Do you know how many innocent people are killed by drunk drivers every year. Damn that was dumb!!!
He didn’t say he was in favour of drunk driving. He said he’s in favour of allocating the police to serious crime with alternatives for non immediate threats.
@@dicerevo Someone drunk behind the wheel of a 5000 pound vehicle is an immediate threat. Cops should not be tasked with taking responsibility for other people's bad decisions. You are responsible for your own decisions. Every day, almost 30 people in the United States die in drunk-driving crashes - that's one person every 50 minutes. If you decide to drive while drunk you not deserve a free uber to get you home. You deserve to be punished.
@@dicerevo *Drink driving ISN'T an immediate threat…???* When I was 5 a drunk driver plowed into my friends, as they stood right next to me, at 40 MPH! He literally almost killed them! So maybe we have much different opinions on how to treat drunk drivers.
Wow nice one joe, ive payed thousands of dollars for my first dwi in NYC and you just want cops to drive this guy home lolololo joe u are out of your mind
All of you guys are right he was drunk and he should have went to jail. But he didn’t deserve to die that’s the point. Resisting arrest, assault on a police officer, DUI, all crimes and are arrest able offenses. However, it is not a death sentence you guys are missing the point
He wasn’t a bad guy, just call him an Uber. He was operating a vehicle which can kill you as quick as a firearm. He was so drunk he passed out in a drive thru window. I think Mr. Rogan would have a very different opinion if he were personally affected by a drunk driver. Disgraceful! We have a rule of law, which all must follow or a civilized society will break down.
Maybe but sitting drunk in a stationery vehicle with engine off shouldnt be punished with death, especially if one wants to call itsekf a civilised country that is supposedly so much better than the rest of the planet! Or maybe thats what makes it so.
@@adeosinowo3197 I once slept in my car drunk one night as I needed to add extra parking early the following morning so I could leave it to pick up later in the following day. I did sleep in the passenger seat and keep the keys out the ignition , though, and chose a car park with good CCTV to confirm I hadn't even tried to drive it should I get a knock, but thankfully had no issues
@@adeosinowo3197 he wasnt killed because he was driving drunk. he was killed because when they tried to arrest him for breaking the law and endangering people, he fought them
@@intoHeck1964 ahh ok, so the lesson here is: you deserve to die in cold blood if you challenge the law? And this is what makes your country the greatest on this planet & then by proxy the greatest in this solar system, heck why stop there? It must be the greatest country in the Galaxy!
Joe, brooks was passed out driving in the drivethru. He also abused his children and was on probation. You cant just send somebody home on an uber after a DUI.
He was accused and convicted of child cruelty or some such, but probably shouldn't parrot the claim that he actually abused his children unless you knew the family first-hand. But that's irrelevant, which makes it seem like you're using past crimes to justify murder. What's actually relevant: current law says drunk driving is a very serious criminal offense and does not allow cops to simply let a drunk driver go home or sleep it off in their car. If cops COULD let people off the hook for drunk driving they would do it a lot more often, dealing with drunks is not a fun time, but the general public insists that drunk driving is very serious since it keeps getting us killed in horrible car accidents.
The idea that a drunk driver is just a nice guy who made a little mistake is a very dangerious one, as is the notion that skin color should be seen as a factor. If the policy across the country was "be nice, de-escalate, call a rideshare, we would see a major increase in fatalities, much like we are seeing with retail theft.
I think what certain places (I believe places like LA) want to implement is a community solution - have a community "guard" to approach nonaggressive, nonviolent criminals and solve the issue at hand. I disagree with the approach, but it's what Joe was advocating
@@TheTora75 The Left *demonise half of the country as racist, then demonise whole country as inherently racist, destroy cultural artifacts, and with mob rule at that, support people who riot and loot* People: "What's the fucks going on? Fuck you guys! If you don't stop, we'll stop you!" Left: *Suprise pikkakhu face*
@@andrewthomas5769 I'd rather have one cool guy that is man enough to drive a car while at 4+ alcohol perthousand blood than any of your kind. Spoiled, yelling, selfish, no idea what dignity means.
Tbh I understand why this person should get arrested but I still do think they should prosecute people for drug use and dealing (only if there driving and causing a danger) and that if someone is driving they should try to either impound there car or make someone else in the car drive the car instead of the person intoxicated.
Johnny Hammersticks not really a lot of the problems with illegal drugs and a lot of deaths behind them are because of them being illegal I would say most drug deaths would drop if they Juss controlled these substances more
Brandon Campbell - Because the acts he commit we’re done directly by him, not more than a few years ago. Blaming an entire people group for things done by other people generations ago, all that are no longer alive, is a textbook definition of racism. My family was not even in America during the time of slavery, some of them where the victims of racism.
Drunk driving is a victimless crime and has no business being a law. Hitting someone or killing someone while drunk driving is murder in at least the third degree or a minimum of manslaughter. Laws to prevent crime are one of the biggest issue with police today. Drunk driving is an extreme grey area but we should not punish people for victimless crimes.
Bringdasmoke _187 He fell asleep in the Wendy’s drive through line. Technically parked but not really. I personally wouldn’t give some a DUI if they were parked but he was waiting in the drive through line and fell asleep waiting. He should have gotten a DUI.
We don't just lock people up overnight for drunk driving. We take their license, force them to pay 5-10k for a lawyer, fine them, lock them up for years in some cases, cause them to lose their jobs, lose their 2nd amendment rights, and give them a felony that is permanently on their record that affects them for the rest of their life. Unless they injure or kill someone that level of severity is rediculous bc it is life destroying not helping them in any way.
@@williambontrager2349 The level of irresponsibility that a person shows when drunk driving deserves the harshest penalties. To me it shows complete disregard for others' lives. There is no excuse. Nobody does it by accident, it doesn't "happen to anybody". If you drive drunk - you are a horrible human being.
Asking to be let go after getting caught doing something that kills thousands of people, drinking and driving, is ridiculous. Oh, he asked for an uber! We better let him go, then! 💩
Probably. But there is something to be said about how people are villainized for something that's rather subjective. What is "drunk"? Is it .08 for everyone? No. Some people at .08 aren't ganna have any problems. Whereas some are with even less alcohol. Before breathalyzers they would take you in if you were obviously drunk. When GW Bush got his you had to be absolutely slammered. Now, you're blind if you don't see how much it's about money and not public safety. However, EVERYBODY knows you can't fight the cops so I have no sympathy for this particular character. I live in Arizona, the strictest state in the union in regards to DUI's. Its ridiculously easy to get one. Do people still do it? Sure. But people just wanna go home. And people should be able to do so if there's no REAL reason to believe that they will cause an accident. Giving up liberty for a false sense of security. But sure, it's all just to protect you...
Lol. I was offered the same thing by a Maryland trooper. I was left go with a warning. Brooks was parked. Just saying. It happens cops do that all the time.
Ya Joe is out to lunch on Brooks situation. Here in Wisconsin where we have a huge drunk driving problem, the only thing that seems to effectively deter it is escalating the consequences. The police arresting drunk drivers is almost universally agreed on by the public.
@@JohnMiller-cq2fw Most people driving around with unregistered AK-47s probably don't kill people either. Should we just not worry about it then? Your argument is ridiculous.
Marxism was about class struggle, partly due to there not being significant racial differences in Europe at that time. Marx himself rejected the idea of racial struggle. Which tells you where we're at in 2020, when the moderate left are now more extreme than Karl Marx.
think several people are missing the point of his argument, hes saying that instatutional racism in things like the police force are symptoms of both economic and politcal systems aka even if you were to have a perfect police force without any form of racism it would barely make a difference. Black communties would still not have any opportunities, investment , hope and as such would still be forced to resort to things like crime in order to survive which would inevetably lead to higher interactions with police which would then lead onto his other point about people "feeling" they are being unfarily persicuted by the police and then we end up right back here.
this is very simple, the 2008 crash caused massive economic dmg and a massive transfer of wealth to the 1%, after 2012 occupy, the elite chanelled in identity politics to split the working class so we're at eachothers throats and not our governments who no longer represent regular ppls interests. weinstein is right.
This was not Joe's finest moment. It was one "wtf" comment after another predicted upon his consumption of specific news, in this case left wing news of that event. To summarize; Joe sounded like an ill informed MORON in this clip
I used to drive with Uber and Lyft there was an occasion I had to pick up a guy from Waffle House and when I arrived it was two police officers who had ordered a ride for a drunk guy
As someone who has duis and who no longer drinks (april 2nd 2019 - sober).. you are right. I feel blessed I didn't hurt anyone, the thing is ppl refuse to take responsibility for their own actions and never grow up to accept responsibility. I learned (took a couple tries bcuz I'm human and I'm dumb) but it's either grow up and learn or your bound to repeat the same mistakes again and again
hochha I think joe sees the value in preventing dui cases through increasing community measures rather than punishing people who’ve already made the mistake
@@blacksuite1 No one's saying that he should have died, but his death was due to his choices. The theoretical person/people he could have killed driving drunk would not have been due to their decisions.
Wasn't Rayshard Brooks caught asleep drunk in the Wendy's drive-thru which is why the cops were called? He admitted to the cops he had been drinking. That qualifies as DUI in any jurisdiction. The police were rightfully called and had every right to arrest him because of it.
@@rdot8658 he wouldn't have had he complied with the officers instead of punching the officer and then taking his Tazer and pointing it at the officer and firing it
Sota Pop Brooks passed out drunk in the drive thru of the Wendy’s. How do you think he ended up in the drive-thru in his car? Also, you’re wrong about Georgia Law. You can be found guilty of DUI including: “Warm hood of the car, which also suggests the car was driven recently” and many other signs. You’re the moron.
The problem is people are dying off bs like falling asleep in a drive thru. The fact of the matter is if those police officers pulled up without guns and knew how to handle themselves physically. That man would still be alive ... his life mattered. Joe understands that and that is what we should be focused on
@@rdot8658 He did not "fall asleep" at a drive thru. He was passed out drunk at a drive thru, then physically assaulted two police officers, stole their weapon and fired it at them. How is that anywhere close to "falling asleep"?
Ryan Simmonds to be fair Ryan, like you said if the officers never arrived with guns the man would be alive. However, at the point of the shooting he was aiming a taser at an officer. The same justice department that labeled a taser as a LETHAL weapon (another debate) labels this shooting as a felony murder. Please show me an example where defending yourself against a deadly weapon would be murder. You’re correct, if the officers never had guns, one man wouldn’t have died, but if that same man simply complied, no deaths would have come from this run in with the police. Joe’s idea is absolutely incredible and perhaps we should have different types of policing for different types of crimes, but there will always be belligerence against the system, so no matter how peaceful the crime, there is no way to guarantee the safety of the officer without a gun. The real answer is raising physical standards so that ALL officers can physically overpower anyone they come in contact with so that guns are only needed against other deadly weapons.
Kaz Canning understood ... did he deserve to die ? I’ve seen multiple videos Of white dudes doing worse shit and not getting gunned down on the spot. They need to be better at their jobs so regular altercations do not turn into murders
Perhaps the stupidest thing Joe has ever said. If you give someone a ride every time they are caught DUI then they will do it again and again until they hurt someone.
I was surprised to hear Joe say this as well. Just call him an Uber, no harm done? Maybe this time. What about the next time? DUI punishments are harsh for a reason.
Yeah he's wrong on them not being a big deal, they fucking are, obviously. From what I understand though it was a bad kill. Why didn't they kill the fuck who hit my friends brother on his bicycle doing 120k in a 60 zone, why didn't they kill him after he got caught again six months later... Not the smartest thing he's said but I get what he was saying. That guy didn't need to die, he just fucked up.
Yeah, smh on that one... someone driving behind the wheel intoxicated needs serious repercussions. Whether they’re arrested is one question, but to say that they should merely get a ticket isn’t severe enough imo.
Man, i've seen videos where that guy rocked 2 cops and then stole their taser. You can say they shouldn't have shot him dead, but you can't say that man was compliant.
@@squidious1662 -- No its not their job but I think Joe's point is that maybe that it might be better if that particular act of social service should be built into their job. Which of the two scenarios is preferred? The officers call an Uber, the three men continue to exchange cordial banter until the Uber arrives and then it takes him home. The other scenario ends with him getting shot in the back. Is there a third option? That said, my sense is that I'm actually more on your side ... i.e., the cops side. The cardinal rule, in my opinion, for police on citizen interactions should be that the citizen is required to obey an officer's lawful command!! I'm furious that the media and the democrats are not crying out with passion for the looting to stop. I'm furious with the health experts who are suddenly saying that it's OK to line the streets by the thousands and breath down each other's neck. I'm perplexed at the notion that the American flag has become a symbol of inequality and oppression. I don't get it. What gives me some comfort is that some progressive intellectuals are addressing the ludicrousy of the thinking of the revolutionaries. Weisenstein does a good job here. Sam Harris did do on his podcast. Sorry for rambling.
@@emptyforrest Stupid comment. He resisted arrest, punched a cop, stole his taser, fled, then turned and shot the stolen taser at the cop. Nice try though.
@Vladimir Peter I think people need to understand drunk driving killing people is way more of a problem then dying at the hands of police. Lets take 2018 - "there were 10,511 fatalities in motor vehicle traffic crashes in which at least one driver had a BAC of .08 g/dL or higher" - crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812864 Now take a guess how many people died to police in 2018. How about 403 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States
I know, right? And as if the wife and child abuse wasn't enough, he got behind the wheel of a car intoxicated and then tried to taser a police officer.
Yeah I was going to finish this until Joe started talking about letting drunk drivers take an Uber home after they've been found drunk and asleep in the drive-thru...🙄
Exactly wtf it's harmless until he fucking drives drunk on the wrong side of the freeway and kills Joe's family, I can't believe he justifys the guys behavior.
I was pulled over driving under the influence and arrested and thank God that I was for at the very least it prevented me from possibly hitting and hurting/killing someone else. Drunk driving is a serious crime and needs to be dealt with as such.
Check MADD (Mother Against Drunk Driving) twitter feed. Crickets (except for all the comments wondering why they haven't mentioned it like they do all drunk driving cases)
Was he driving drunk or drunk and asleep in a drive thru... There's a huge difference,drunk driving can kill people but sleeping in a drive thru just pisses people off.
Drunk driving in itself is a victimless crime unless someone or something is damaged, hurt, or killed which is already a crime. We shouldn't drive drunk bc it's stupid and dangerous but lots of legal things are stupid and dangerous. No victim = no crime should be the basis for all law. Going away from this is going toward fascism and away from autonomy and freedom even if it makes the world less safe. The amount of damage/income destruction and cost due to DUI laws are far more damaging overall then the relatively few tragic accidents caused by it. It manufactures criminals in order for a false sense of safety with little actual safety created compared to the negative effects created. Fines and loss of license? Sure. Jail time? That's just excessive.
He was sleep in the car & either way the police are to detain not kill. Black people are mad because our tax dollars pay for police who don't detain so you Can have a day in court...you just "magically" end up dead & we talking old,young,men,women & children
He definitely looked friendly and "peaceful" when he punched those officers and shot a taser at one. This was clearly the model citizen we would want to call an Uber for.
Y C He assaulted the cops, then stole the taser and tried to shoot one of the cops in the face with it. You’re too stupid for this conversation. Stfu and go outside and play.
Thank you! I've been saying this since they rolled it out. The scary part is, that was their best take. That was the best they could get him to perform. 😬
“You’re not a person who is trying to hurt people.” Maybe so, but Rashard Brooks was putting innocent peoples lives at risk with his bad decisions. What happens if he were to cause a wreck and ended up killing someone. He also was on parole, so it just shows how he has not learned anything from his past mistakes. Also I love how Joe just skips over the fact that he punched a cop in the face and then stole his taser and shot it at the cop. Great, he was acting polite and cooperative before he was being put under arrest. Doesn’t change the fact that he put other people’s lives in danger and resisted arrest and assaulted a police officer. I’m sick of people making excuses for this shit.
No bro you don't arrest someone for what they might do... Your wife might leave you tomorrow and you could SNAP .should we arrest you today when your drunk walking home sad about it...
Yeah that's all true ... But you don't need guns to solve that problem. The whole point of de-escalation is to prevent people from killing people. Getting all self-righteous about what the perpetrator did wrong is missing the point.
@Ruby Maverick: King Of The Hunt I'm having a policy discussion about the nuances of de escalation, and how in some cases it can be useful. It's likely he wouldn't have attacked a more non threatening person. People don't attack meter maids, mostly because they don't actually have guns. Your responding emotionally in a near frothy rage. It's clear we aren't having the same discussion. America has some serious anger management issues.
Bryan Winter Bryan Winter The cops and Brooks had a peaceful 40 some minute conversation. It took Brooks all of 30 seconds to escalate the situation and become a very real threat to the officers. What de-escalation are you talking about? There was nothing to de-escalate until it was too late and Brooks made the decision he wasn’t going to get arrested.
This reasoning is why America will see another George Floyd incident again and again . There's cameras everywhere now . Can't keep justifying the murder of your own society . That's a losing philosophy and the guest predicts it quite well. America is an empire entering it's self destruct
Gotta give it to you Joe, seems that you always are able to have a conversation with people with vastly different views. Wish we all had that talent. Not a fan of all your guests but I admire your ability to get out of the safe spaces and discuss all these relevant topics
Hard times breed strong men. Strong men bring good times. Good times breed weak men. Weak men bring hard times. We're on the last step, hard times are ahead. Arm up, train up, be ready, the government will protect itself, not you.
@@chrisparrish6229 plenty of strong men in middle America and hiding in plain sight. The thing about strong men is that you only know who they are when they have to show their strength.
@@h4tch3tt74 So true. Also they will stand against this if it spills out of the limited commercial areas it seems to be in. Thankfully we still have a majority of good strong people who will stand together against this anarchy.
go ahead and walk home. the cops the leave. he sneaks back and drives off. this time in a rush and even more prone to have accident. tell that to the MADD groups that forced jail time and automatic arrest for BAC levels that keep dropping over the decades.
I have to disagree. Joe is saying if a cop is handling a situation and the person being corrected for lack of a better word that another cop can step in and over ride his partner and negotiate with the criminal. By the way if you are not cooperating with the police and struggling or fleeing, that is a crime as defined by our courts. Jason
@@yankees29 As well as the fried egg in a pan saying this is your brain on drugs. Anybody remember Bill Hicks. LOL! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5T4XBwALPi0.html
Also what just call him an Uber? So it's OK if I drive hammered and pass out behind the wheel? I'm white and I live in Canada and I promise you as sure as the sky is blue the cops are dragging my drunk ass to jail if I do that
Yea, he implied that Rayshard was harmless but nobody who is impaired while driving is harmless. If he would've driven his car into Joe's family then Joe would be singing a different tune today and frankly it's a slap in the face to anyone who has lost a loved one to a drunk driver. Oh, or yea we can just call Rayshard an Uber so he can possibly throw up in their back seat or worse... put them in danger. Raise your hand if you would trust a drunk ex convict stranger who did time for violent crimes in the back seat of your car.
@Ashwin Varghese oh ok, so they should have let him run wild through the neighborhood with a taser in his hand? Or should they have let him shoot one of them with a taser? Which scenario makes more sense to you?
@Ashwin Varghese Except he wasn't shot for being drunk. He was shot for grabbing a cops weapon out of its holster and then running for cover. Truly not hard to figure that one out. Cop better get off.
When you drive drunk, you go to jail. Period. Remember, drunk drivers aren’t only risking their life, they are risking the lives of everyone else on the road. RIP Micheal, 19 y/o killed by a drunk driver on his way home from practice.
@@johnsmith9731 No he was just being "peaceful" come on now, let him take an uber home. Drunk driving should be like it was in the 1960s, just a warning. Also, if you shoot a taser at a cop they should just accept that. It's peaceful remember.
Yeah tell someone whose lost thier family to a drunk driver that we dont need police to enforce dui... im with ya a little joe but that wasnt the best example. Dui enforcement is very important.
Yeah, it was a bad example. I think he was getting at trying something other than violence to enforce non violent crimes. Sorry you lost someone. I lost a friend and the guy they caught ran like a coward. Police had to track him down through multiple states. It was awful. I think that's the real pain of all this. It's a complicated situation that needs due diligence. If, like Eric said, representatives were representing people and these issues had ANY forum/follow through, people wouldn't feel the need to protest like this.
They need to end quotas and bonuses based on surpassing those quotas.... it's what drives them to find shit... no quotas makes them think cops won't do shit via the union.
I'm shocked at you Joe. You had a clear headed, experienced expert a few days ago who pointed out all the details why that drunk was in the wrong, and you still defend him and feel the cops did it all wrong. Joe, you slipping.
I think too many of these people don’t realise that logic and reasoning can factor in the feelings of people as variables, except that then makes it clear that the one arguer’s feelings of indignation count for very little when considering the feelings of the many
True, but logic and reasoning wouldn't solve this issue. People are not ready to listen to this logic and reasoning because the system was built on false Logic and reasoning. It was build by suppressing the emotions, feelings and humanity of a group of people. You have now to fix this broken emotions and feelings by showing understanding and Love and compromising. But clearly that will not happen 😂. Well civil war is inevitable. It is begun and it won't stop until a compromise is made for everyone. The American experience is getting old and broken.
kumchu Elsen, you’re right in that the problem is that discourse has become too emotional, not that there’s simply a reasoning error about emotions. I can’t really see much stopping the zombified mob who’ve switched off to reason
It's a good thing he has a guest to tie any loose ends in the conversation together, almost like joe conveys his position by not featuring clips that only have(his) opinion in them
He really doesn't. Joe is losing more and more common sense every day. I'm sure those cops wanted to let him go too. However....they should NOT. If the threat of DUI punishment is not there, you will have drunks all over the road. DUI is NOT a victimless crime.
You lost me Joe. I knew a very “nice guy and a sweet guy” that drove drunk and killed a mother, one child and seriously injured another. He gets what he deserves. They are just piggy backing off Georget Floyd(a true tragedy). Also, cops need way more training. 2 of them couldn’t even get this guy down.
His point is that intoxicated people don't necessarily need to be arrested on the spot. The car can be impounded, the individual sent home by cab or driven home, & the offender ticketed. This avoids having to physically engage a person who is intoxicated.
@Alex Zagami they literally had his I.D. and his car. He could've ran all he wanted, he wouldve been caught and arrested. That's what warrants are for. The cop got pissed and decided to shoot him instead assessing the situation properly. The cop made a personal decision to shoot him in the back because he was pissed. It's simple. That was murder.
He was so drunk he didn’t know what city he was in. He endangered every life he passed on his way to pick up a Frosty. What if a drunk killed one of joe’s family members, on there way to Pick up some tacos. He would be speaking a different tune.
Also, a DUI arrest isn't a 'go to jail' offense for most people. They arrest you, process you, and usually release you the same night. Rayshard's problem was that he was on probation (he was released due to COVID-19) and a DUI arrest on probation means his probation would probably be revoked and he somehow thought fighting the cops would solve that problem.
Amen, its against the the law to drive drunk. "Who called the cops on him"? Really joe? He was past out in a drive thru if maybe knowone calls the authorities maybe he drives and kills someone. Thats why. And as cordial as he was so were the police in this case. Take your medicine if you fuck up, and he wasnst a saint just got of jail wit this pity party america is in right now.
this guest makes an intelligent point that everything that is happening is a symptom of our economic/political system and everyone ignores that to attack joe on a bad point that the guest immediately glossed over. this chat is a perfect example of the guests point.
The man who is famous for standing up to BS just made an excuse for spotify money..we all know that the system is in a death thrall that's why we are here in the first place
yep angry and I'm scared of them, of getting caught in their. crossfire because they they don't know how to identify their real enemies, who aren't incidentally those W a conservative morality.
If he hadn't resisted arrest, he'd be alive. In jail for violating parole, but alive. Dudes like Rayshard Brooks are their own worst enemies; not "the system." "The system" didn't make him beat his kids. "The system" didn't make him drive drunk. "The system" didn't make him decide to resist arrest. "The system" is what allowed him to get only a year in jail plus probation for four guilty pleas, including felony battery of a child. "The system" gave him a chance, he spat in its face, and it's "the system" that gets the blame.
I believe that the kids, at large, are living out the “Purge” fantasy. They are high on the ability to act out violently without repercussion. So, the movement is largely fueled by rage with almost no clear cause; violence through action equals lawless chaos.
Maybe all the rage, resentment, and frustration that we are seeing lately has to do with the younger generations declining living standards, the fact that both major political parties and most politicians aren't responsive to the needs to their constituents, the fact that the cops are basically just a group of thugs who are paid by the government and given military grade weapons and gear, the fact that economic inequality is reaching unprecedented levels, etc. People feel disenfranchised and that nothing is being done to reform or correct this injustices. You can only keep ramping up the pressure inside a pressure cooker so long before it eventually explodes into anarchy, revolution or civil war.
