I think if the B12 hadnt jumped on the media right negotiations so urgently this past year, it probably would have been..once they got their deal done while the PAC dragged its feet, it was only a matter of time
Meh, it's still not an exciting conference. All the really interesting teams from the Pac 12 went to the Big 10. USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon. The Big 12 really got the scraps. I mean good for them, but none of the teams remaining in the Big 12 are that exciting as far as football goes. Maybe in basketball that'll be a different story, but football? Yes, Utah did well, but that's the only one and the only quality team they beat (and yes, they did it twice) was USC. Otherwise they lost to Florida, UCLA, and Oregon on top of Penn State in the bowl game.
Recall when Texas, OK, Texas Tech and OK. State were on the verge of making the PAC-12 strong. Texas wanted to keep their individual TV money and that deal fell apart
As a Ute fan and Alumni, I can't wait to reengage with TCU! While it breaks my heart to see the PAC slowly die, and feel sorry for the teams in limbo, you dance with who you brought. Go Utes
Glad to see the Big12 rebound like this. This is going to be a very entertaining conference that should have at least 2 or 3 legitimate Top12 teams every year. Maybe Top10.
I'm thinking only one, two tops will be in the top 12. It's not like the 4 new teams are going to be all that great. 3 of them were bottom feeders. The other is Utah, which had USCs number, but outside of that, lost to better competition like Oregon, UCLA, Penn State, and even Florida beat them. I just don't see the rest of the group picking up the slack. Recruits are going to flock to the SEC and Big 10. They're getting bigger and that's where the really good talent is going to want to go to. If anything, I think the Big 10 can now make a really good argument that their going to be on par with the SEC as far as talent goes once Oregon, USC, UCLA, and Washington land.
@@pascho1057 that's why I'm saying one, two teams tops. I just think that recruits are going to want to play in tougher conferences and the Big 10 and SEC is where its at. In a 12 team playoff, there will probably be 6-8 teams from the Big 10 and SEC, one or two from the ACC and one or two from the Big 12. Maybe a Notre Dame gets in as well, but I think Notre Dame's years of being independent is probably going to be forced soon. They're probably going to be hard pressed to find quality teams to play because the USCs and other teams they've played in the past are going to worry about playing non conference games against weaker teams and playing the military academies just isn't inspiring.
@@DennisCoffman-dd8ok Just this last season Kansas State, Utah, and TCU finished in the top15. OSU, ISU, and Baylor had "down" years. Texas Tech looks to be on the rise. They aren't going to have many years where teams finish in the Top5 but this is a very solid conference.
@@rundmc8628 Utah isn't part of the mix yet. Fact is other than TCU, the rest of the conference had 3 losses or more per team (before bowl games).... Just because they finished in the top 15, doesn't mean they were there when it came time to pick bowls. In the case of a 12 team playoff, only 2 (and I'd say it is doubtful Kansas State would have made it) would have made it. This is probably how the selection would have went (no particular order). Michigan Ohio State Penn State USC Washington Alabama Georgia Tennessee Clemson Florida State Utah LSU (over Kansas State) And let's really look at history here. Baylor, ISU, and Kansas were doormats for a really long time. Oklahoma State is a nice mid tier that's had a couple of flashes. Tech has had one good year. That's the benefit of having a coach that no one knew how he was going to coach. Let's see how year 2 goes. But at best, they've been a mid tier team with a couple of good years thrown in from time to time.
I’m a West Virginia fan but I’ve always followed Utah saw you guys beat YSC 2 years ago at USC also watched you bet up on WV several years ago welcomed to Big-12
As an Arizona State fan who has lived in or around Tempe for the past fifteen years, I am excited for the Sun Devils to compete in another great, storied conference in the Big 12! Forks Up!
Glad your ASU was able to follow on the coat tails of University of Arizona. Bear Down! Hahaha, just messing with you ghostoffire! As a U of A fan, I am excited and a bit sad as well. Damn USC we all could say but it really was damn Larry Scott (former Pac 12 commissioner) that ruined everything with bad decisions after bad decisions.
@@baileym4708 Well the important thing is keeping the Territorial Cup going and moving toward a better future in a new conference! Let's goooo Big 12 West 🤘🏻
I totally understand how the Pac collapsed. The Big 12 was on the verge until they hired Yormark. That's behind us now. Still, I hope the ACC can survive. We need 4 power 5 leagues.
I hope the acc survives as well. I think more than 16 is too large for a conference but the B1G seems ready to go beyond. Remember the wac and don't think it can't happen again
I can't wait to read all the behind the curtain stuff on how all this went down. Like were the CW and Ion ever really involved? How low was ESPN's offer, and what did Colorado know and when did they know it.
@STC987 With a $4m MW payout how long do you think OSU and WS keep their coaches and continue to attract talent? They'll do well for 1 year then blend in with the rest of the MW teams.
If your Arizona St you still keep 3 conference rivals and a instate rival in Arizona and more money. This is a win win. Not sure why they drug their feet
President Crow and his belief that PAC-12 schools would be stepping backward by joining a conference of inferior academic schools that value sports over academics.
Sad to see the PAC-12 die as an ASU fan, as it’s the only conference I’ve known if my life, but moving together with Arizona and Utah I think will help overall. Also I mean this isn’t just about football right? Basketball and Baseball come over too, which could be interesting for the conference as Arizona had a good basketball history and ASU more on the baseball side of things
It's arguable that Arizona brings more than ASU in baseball. ASU has won one more national championship, but none since 1981. UA has won two of theirs since then. UA has made three appearance in the CWS since ASU's last appearance.
I love how us BIG 12 people are all excited about our new members, meanwhile Oregon state Washington State and Cal are just screwed. Stanford can just go independent
@@BeHappy-hh1tyagreed, I remember staying up until 2 am on the east coast to watch Oregon vs Stanford and it was the bane of my existence, i didn’t even finish the whole game.
@@BeHappy-hh1ty They are worthless because people weren't showing up to Cal Stanford and UCLA games. But no night games do have a lot of value. You want the Big 12 to be on from the first time slot to the last time slot so a Big 12 fan can have the option of watching a Big 12 game from morning until late at night from coast to coast. Notice that is what the Big Ten was trying to do as well.
@@BeHappy-hh1tythat's if all your games are late like the PAC 12. But the big 12 can afford to have the only power 5 games on late at night though the B1G could also try that
@@BeHappy-hh1ty no you are wrong. Why do you think ESPN wants to televise them so badly? Because if ESPN's can get them at a good price, it's a good deal for all. If no one was watching these late night games. they would not be on TV.
Hope the new Big 12 assigns permanent rivals (play every year). My take: BYU vs Utah, UA vs ASU, CU vs OSU, KU vs KSU, TCU vs UH, TTU vs Baylor, WVU vs UCF, ISU vs UC.
I like them but it's more likely that Baylor and TCU play each other and tech and Houston get paired up. It may seem weird but Baylor and TCU has been a rivalry for quite a while longer than Baylor and tech
Wazzu in close second. I'm all seriousness though I feel bad for them. I hope they find a good home and keep their rivalry games against Oregon and Washington
@wesleyowens4089 do you really think orgeon st. WSU, being left behind for dead, would wanna continue the rivalry game? It isn't fair to both schools. It wouldn't be right to continue the rivalry game. But that's my opinion.
It's been fun watching the evolution of the comments here over the past year. First it was, no Pac-12 school would ever join the Big 12. Then when Colorado joined, it was claimed that it was just Colorado - no big loss. Now we have four Pac-12 schools joining the Big 12 and it's "No added value... What a joke." 😃
And how many wins does your school have super troll and you definitely give off a scorn gf vibes You slash any tires lately or did you just get of rehab or out under the bridge Cause them 4 corner don't need your opinion
@@fxphenomX Pac 12 2011 , 2012, 2013 and 2016 and 2017 record against the Pac 12 says different So please name one Power 5 football school that went from one P5 and dominated another Penn State is better than Utah and that is no debate and Penn State struggled for years in the Big Ten Miami Hurricanes almost fell off a cliff Nebraska is doing nothing in the Big Ten The Buffs were horrible in the Pac 12 My bad Utah is like Virginia Tech except they ain't going to no National championships period in the playoffs era
If you are already in a conference and they are trying to work a media deal, only a disloyal fool would publicly state they would like to be a part of another conference. They were happy where they were. Late in the efforts the media deal fails. Only then would you move on. Make sense?
@@CounselorMalcolmMissouri did it in the sec. Back to back sec title game appearances and one loss seasons when they joined the sec but then they fell off really hard. Also Nebraska played for a B1G championship early on but got absolutely embarrassed by Wisconsin
Utah needs to get over themselves. They have done awesome, but they were a MWC team a decade ago! If you have a Big 12 invite, take it! You could be Oregon State.
@@9474sammusColorado lost their recruiting base. For us old heads we know they Used to recruit Texas heavy. When they left they lost that pipeline and thought to replace it with California..it didn't work.
I keep reminding my WVU friends to be patient. I believe that the B12 Commissioner has a plan to build a second 4 team or 5 team pod in the eastern time zone around WVU when the ACC implodes. Then the B12 truly will be a national brand in all time zones. Looking at the possibilities right now it appears the first pod with the 16 team conference could include Iowa State, Cincinnati, UCF and WVU. A second pod in a 20 team arrangement could include WVU paired with Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville and Duke.
I think when the ACC scatters the Big12 is everyone’s third choice. The Big12 will pick up the teams the SEC and B1G don’t want. Then there will be even more of a disparity
This is probably a stupid question but... Will Cincy, BYU, UCF, and Houston be getting the full 31.7 million in 2025 as well? I think they would have to be..
Yes they were apart of that deal in the first place. Colorado was also guaranteed a full share as well as the 14th team but it was the 15th and 16th team that had to talk with fox to get a full share
I still think in the end big ten will have 22 teams. When acc falls apart big ten will get Flst, Unc, GT, and Uva. SEC will have 20 teams. SEC gets Clemson, Miami, VT, and Ncst. Big 12 will go to 20 teams as they will get Duke, Louisville, Pitt, and Syracuse. Wake and Boston College go to AAC. Rest of Pac 12 will merge with Moutain west who also picks up a team like Utep and will have a 18 team conference that will be top Group of 5 conference
With all four going to the B12, this has the making of a good conference. And as long as Deion is at CU, the networks will lick their chops at the bump in ratings. My guess is the number one watched game on opening weekend will be CU / TCU, and the interest will be reignited when realignment happens next year.
How is the B12 not the best league? They don't have any bottom feeders that are just cashing checks like Vanderbilt and Northwester or Cal. Every team in the B12 is fully committed to sports now. It's the model that TV networks love. I think there will be a time when they ask why they're paying Northwestern 100 million/year and getting zero in return. B12 is already ahead of the curve. The terrible teams were relegated and the top teams were upgraded (Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF).
I wonder if the Pac 12 now down to 4 teams could add teams like San Diego St., Fresno St. Boise St., SMU, etc. to remain in the Power 5 for at least the next 3 years. In that time, they could work the Apple deal for more revenue than the Mountain West could generate.
What I like most about this is that adding the 4 corner schools is that not only did we add 4 schools with average or above Football and Basketball programs. These adds bring in good/strong Baseball, Softball, Golf, Tennis, Soccer, and Wrestling programs as well, all things that OU and Texas took out we added 8 schools that will add to the conference and in those sports the Big 12 can now challenge the SEC and B1G in every sport and not be looked at as a weaker conference. Football the Big12 will be viewed as a distant 3rd until multiple National titles are not only played for but won by the Big12.
Where is Lord rayden? Even after Colorado joined he still kept spouting the academic superiority of the PAC 12 nonsense. He literally said cal and Stanford to the B1G over Oregon and Washington because if academics but failed to realize these are athletic conferences
Do the four schools joining tjis year get full shares immediately? Or do they get partial shares for a number of years? Seems unfair that the Big XII throws a lifeline to those teams and still gives them full shares. Just curious.
I think the ACC should try to get aggressive and add UCONN and Memphis. They dont add much value football wise but a change in conference could make them better while bringing in two good Basketball programs. Thats how you can have a power 4
Arizona fan: This just really, really sucks. Nothing but respect to Big12 and those programs, but it just feels wrong. The pac12 has been horribly mismanaged and arrogant since Larry Scott showed up which eventually led to the downfall. And to be clear - it's a lot better to be in the Big12 than hung out to dry like Oregon State....But Az has no history with most of these teams. Travel schedule will be crazy. No major alumni or fan base in most of the Big12 footprint. Athletes flying to midwest and east coast for games. Almost unthinkable that these long standing traditions and rivalries that have lasted generations are flushed down the toilet so casually. No more Pac12 basketball tourney in Vegas (which has been great in recent years). It's going to just be bizarre when there's no away games in California but we're off on the other side of the country playing West Virginia for some reason (no disrespect to WVU, we just literally have nothing to do with each other). All of it is Just sad. I liked college sports better when it was regional and not all about Fox or ESPNs profits.
What about Minnesota State? Who thought the Big 10 would embrace the left coast? Stanford and Cal playing a home and home next year, or a best 2 out of 3? Are they playing the Service Academies?
There is report that Washington State and Oregon State are looking to join MWC while California and Stanford are still cling to hope that Big 10 will invite them ,but if it doesn't happen then they will consider to go route of ND as independent. As for ACC, it won't happen because such move will cost ACC schools $120 million ,so next expansion will be back in 2036 that's when ACC TV deals will end. Speaking of ND, they are not interested to join Big 10 ,so I think that may be reason why Big 10 has no plans to add California and Stanford.
This is interesting so explain some things for me. How is it the Big 10 started this when the Big 12 jumped the PAC 12 for TV rights? I guess that`s ok. Did the Big 10 aproach UCLA and USC or vice versa? Who got the better 4 teams, Big 12 or Big 10? I think we know who did.
The Big 12 commish/presidents were smarter than the Pac 12. Just made a good business decision. It did eventually lead to the collapse of the Pac but few saw that at the time. And that wasn't the intent. Sure, B1G got the better brands. That's what money do. B1G killed the Pac 12.
Moves like this of why ESPN is losing money. Didn't want to give the 4 corner schools 20M as PAC members.. but were willing to give them 31.M as B12 members. Make this make sense. Something doesn't look right here.
It’s pretty obvious. They are trying to cull as many teams as they can, at least for the time being. They don’t want to pay Oregon State and WSU 30 million, or even 20 million.
Come on, it’s been reported in detail how ESPN offered the PAC the deal before it was offered to the Big12 and GK turned it down flat. GK said the starting number for ESPN was to be 50 mil per team yearly and would take it to market otherwise and to market he did go. So ESPN, partnered with Fox and offered the same deal to the Big12, who gladly took the deal. None of this is on ESPN.
It's about the TV markets. They took the growing Arizona market.. The Denver market and the state of Utah. Oregon Washington Stanford and Cal were not going to the Big 12. It's about TV.
Why do Texas and Oklahoma have to pay an exit fee I thought the big 12 deal ended in 2024 2025 and they just signed a new TV deal that begins next did I miss something
Essentially there will be two big conferences! Just like the NFL....Big 10, SEC, and 12. ACC will breakup into the all three. This will allow the 12 team playoff easier to formulate!
I thought Urban ran McMurphy out of college football. Oh wait it was the other way around. Kind of worked out that way with Jeremy Fowler too. FOX needs to put Urban on the PAC 12, next year. Big 12 still only getting 60% of the Big 18 and SEC.
Eventually all schools should hopefully get the same pay and start that way going forward. Tiers of pay will probably be the future in the BigTen and it’ll create unhappy programs..
Stanford and Cal aren’t interested in going to the Big12. Too bad WSU and OSU couldn’t get an invite though. Even if it would be at 70 or 80 percent for the length of the tv deal. They’d have been the best of the bunch as members.
I feel bad for the pac 12 broadcast crew, great group of individuals. Lot of families livelihood at stake right now. Utah is a power house team and will make any conference better.
@truth2297 how many colleges have coaches better than Whittingham? He's beat Riley, Harbaugh, Saban, sure they don't play a perfect schedule but they put a lot of guys into the NFL.
Certainly no powerhouse. The year they won the PAC-12, BYU beat them and 4 other PAC-12 teams (every PAC-12 team they played that year). Utah does have a good coach in Whittingham (who played at BYU), but now that the playing field is leveled, BYU will assert dominance over them just like they did for many years before.
They PAC still has bills to pay this year as in the Comcast media bill they owe and all of that so they still have a mess to clean up so it will be a rocky year for them this year with a lot of emotional feelings coming up. Lots of changes this year and next with all the new members.
Getting the continuation of the Big XII Media Deal while the PAC 12 with arrogance decided to go to open market was the critical turning point in this saga. It was the strategic maneuver that won the realignment battle.
Brett McMurphy saying on ESPN today that college football heading to pro model and we should embrace. Oregon vs Michigan! Oklahoma vs Florida! those kind of games are compelling when it's a unusual and a clash of conferences. I'd rather see Baylor play TCU or Oregon St play Oregon. Regionality is where the passion is. I think pro ball is boring-- the interest can be high but lacking in the deep passion of college football. Brett may salivate at marquee games all over the place. No thanks. I'm interested in my teams, my conference, and the big time inter-conference match. Oklahoma vs Florida when it's BIG12 vs SEC is far more interesting than as an SEC conference game. As far as chasing the money, no one is paying the fans. We have a right to complain about coaches, schools, and players who seem to care about little else.
I have just one question, and it will probably be unintentionally rhetorical, but where the f**k is the NCAA in all of this? Didn’t they used to be involved in this kind of thing, or are they too busy trying to decide the terms of the next probation for Cleveland State. I have not read nor heard them mentioned once in this months-long, continuously disgusting cash grab. If ANYONE of substance thinks this a great thing for college football, I would love to hear from you. This is shameful and without soul.
@tonymorrell2353 ummm, they couldn't. Hence they hadn't been announced like colorado. Wanting and doing are two different things. That is why they had the abor meeting. To try and sway ASU. At least try and pretend to know what had to happen. They had submitted their application earlier but it couldn't be approved officially until asu agreed. Facts are hard.
I agree that OSU would make a much better conference member than ASU but this is business and ASU has the tv market and value needed to get a full share payout. It’s yet to be seen what kind of member they will end up becoming. I wish OSU and WSU could have at least gotten a look as members with partial payouts with incentives to become full share members down the road. But it didn’t go that way.
You can make the argument they are in many ways MORE valuable.........that's why they get a FULL share!!!! Be happy they joined.......SEC may raid Big 12 again!!!!! This may be short lived!!!!
Remember when the Big XII was a great basketball conference? Well, that was before they lost Texas and added UCF, Cinci, BYU, Utah, Arizona St. and Colorado. And Cinci joins West Virginia in mediocrity-ville without Drunky mcForgetenstien. They are strong in football, now, but gave up their basketball hegemony for it. What a sad day....seeing the BXII devolve in basketball under the leadership of a so-called "basketball" guy. I'm sure their natties will be remembered fondly. But they are a distant past
I thought about that too, but then i realized the the conference will still be good, Houston > Texas, Cinci>OK , Arizona good..... so basketball will remain strong. just more teams on the bottom level. 10 teams used to beat up 10 teams....now there will still be 8 to 10 good teams.
The conference that played in the national title game? That conference? I mean sure TCU got smoked but I think it's a stretch to call them out when the pac12 has not won anything in a good while
BIG 12 fans that wanted the death of the PAC 12 are gonna hate this years from now. There's now just as many new schools in the conference as those core 8 schools that stuck together after Texas and OU left. That number is only gonna go up when the ACC eventually implodes and its not gonna be your conference anymore. Those conferences that you thought treated you like a flyover conference are now gonna be the schools in your conference that treat you like the flyover schools in their conference. You're gonna hate having old PAC 12 and ACC schools winning your conference on the field and having just as much say if not more about how the conference operates off the field.
@@roderickhogan4566I’m not saying they’re gonna win it every year but they’re gonna win their fair share. As much as BIG 12 fans seem to hate Utah, Utah is gonna be the top football school currently on day one when they enter the conference. Go look at the records. Over the last 10 seasons Utah has had the most consistent success of all the schools in the new BIG 16. Take out 2020 for Covid and Utah has only won less than 9 games in a season once since 2014. They’ve won 9 games 3 times since 2014. They’ve won 10 games 3 times since 2014 and won 11 games in 2019. They’ve had double digit win seasons the last three full seasons. Not one school in the BIG 12 has a track record over the last 10 years that compares with that.
