Brexit: Welsh independence 'is on the table' - BBC Newsnight 

it's the natural end conclusion of anti-union rhetoric.

But I've seen no Article 50 in the Act of Union or any other text that has built the UK, and I see little veto too 🤭 So I don't see how one could think the EU is a dictatorship on one side and think UK is the perfect example of a democracy 🤳😇 This is a own goal from Brexiters, IMHO

@Hauke Holst The EU can always kick Hungary and Poland out for not taking enough refugees.

Anarchy is the only solution , it will prevail in the long run as it always has :)

@Jacky Walsh wacky jalsh

I am from there, I wish it wasn't! The only good thing about it you can very easily leave.

@Frankly Frank "oppression" does not apply to people in any part of the UK.

@Frankly Frank "Oppression can be deployed in many various forms and shades." Yes and when it isn't present a nationalist separatist group can make up stories about it to get votes.

They are not independant, they are taking the handouts from Brussels.

Plus they are in the EU and the EU wont allow wales back in as 90% of wales voted for brexit so the eu doesn't want that

The EU is falling apart, it is hated throughout the continent

@@cosifantutte1071 Evidence?

...cancer is a hard pill to swallow

The paradox is that one of the reasons the EU is stronger and more united than before is because of the UK's intention to leave.

@@Leeuwy True

Wales voted to leave though

@@TheBRFCBEN Yes, but 12% of the population of Wales identified as English in the 2011 census. It is safe to assume that most brought their politics with them.

@@taintabird23 Utter cope, the highest voting Leave areas are in the Valleys where basically everyone is Welsh

And? I think it's a separate argument, one that and independent Cymru can sort out.

@@pennantsheepdogs1442 They're still Welsh even if they don't speak Cymraeg

AL AL in exchange for the oil, which we "give" to Westminster. If we get financial benefits over you, then this island isn't equal. It isn't equal for Scotland to vote strongly against brexit only for it to be imposed on us, likewise in NI who are genuinely on the brink of the troubles potentially breaking out again. That isn't equality from Westminster.

ridiculous that the uk are sqaubling over this little island and scots are imagining scotland to become like a 'new america' when they become independent forgetting that the USA has a bigger 'union' than the EU or the UK as it's land mass is like 20+ UKs.... where's the 'take back control' there?

@@callummcgregorenthusiast5545 You have hardly any oil you moron. Scotts are mongs

@@walesdoesntsuck6635 Still. It up to them if they want their independent. If they want it. Give it to them only if the Scottish people agreed. Maybe to them, England is like a tow track that draging them off the cliff via Brexit.

@@historicalweeabooandgamead879 We already gave them to opportunity, they voted against it. That was a once in a generation vote, everyone accepted that fact. The only reason all these politicians love the EU is their MEP salary.

@Smokeango It's better to be in the EU than the UK

@@lordzeusourgodoftruthstorm1669 it's rare I read such crap but it was so crap I read it to the end so I could have a real belly laugh.

John Nicholson don't see how it's funny. Muslims worship Allah. They control oil. What do the Welsh control?

@@syksgurillion5068 You really are not the sharpest pencil in the drawer.

@Syks Gurrillion nothing is above 'John'. You know what is funny! Soon Black Mus,lims and Chi,nese will over run his little island. He thinks that's not going to happen even though it already has. He's in denial

unity is strength ,check your history these islands were never capable of self support,crack pot political dreams will not enrich the poorer areas what is needed is a fairer distribution of wealth and resources.

@@ArdaGoatGüler isnt it easier to fix things from the inside then outside

then Cardiff will get its independence from the rest of wales lol 😂

Tom G the uk need scottland

Ben Heiman for what?

@@benjamindavis-rice1548 For the ability to run our own country

@@benjamindavis-rice1548 haha imagine losing a quarter of your country lmao couldn't be me fam

No, Scotland would not have been 'independent' from the resr of the UK. It would have lost political representation, though, while still being inextricably linked to the rest of the UK, its currency, financial policy and decisions, trade..... Like declaring yourself 'independent' from the other half of a tandem bike.

And the free city-state of London

Paul Muzik and why should ni people be forced to join the republic. Should Ukraine also be forced to become part of Russia?

@@drench1580 Ireland was and still is Ireland before the brits moved in.... shame on them

@@drench1580 Weak and useless analogy. The Rupublic state is not attacking N Ireland like Russia attacks Ukraine.

@@drench1580 Nobody will force NI into a united Ireland, it can only be done with consent and agreement. Your analogy with Russia is beyond stupid.

Dylan Thomas Iceland isn't connected together by another countries road and rail network unlike Wales.

European countries that are bordering other nations with population less than Wales! ALBANIA, ANDORA, ESTONIA, LATVIA, LITHUANIA, LUXEMBOURG, MOLDOVA, MONTENEGRO, NORTH MACEDONIA, SAN MARINO

@@chwilhogyn what a staggeringly illustrious line-up of independent states you present....Oh please!! Get real Dylan.... Wales benefits overwhelmingly from its union with England, Scotland and NI...just as the UK does(did) from EU membership. I speak as a Welsh speaking Cymro for the record.

@@seerjc123 Dwi'n Gymro fyd! Be sydd mor frawychus o Gymru i gymrud yr awenau i fyd yn wlad sofran hunanbenderfyniad?

@@chwilhogyn Excellent move...

The union has long been broken Scotland wants out, N Ireland wants reunification with Ireland Wales wants out if you believe Plaid Cymru so the English nationalists will get what they want.

The last colonies of the British empire.

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 not for long though, Scottish independence polls are past 60%

@@johnnicolson467 Northern Ireland will pull the plug. Wales and Scotland will then go

Good.

Don't forget your original language please, is good for the whole of Europe.

@Jack The Film Fanatic "That’s bollocks..."? No, it simply is not. Every comparative rating of countries by per capita GNP, GDP, or GNI has consistently placed the Republic of Ireland(RoI) in the top five countries in the world, while the UK struggles to make it into the top 30. "The U.K. bailed Ireland out not so long ago..."? The UK contributed LESS than 10% of the Irish bailout, and that was solely to protect the British financial sector from the risk of systemic collapse because too many British banks had followed the rest of the lemmings and became over-exposed to the Irish mortgage market. More than 90% of the Irish bailout came from the EU, the IMF and the European Central Bank(ECB). "...and the U.K. is still a much bigger a economy than Ireland"? Of course it is. The UK has a population of about 65 million. The Republic of Ireland has slightly less than 5 million. Interestingly, while we have less than one twelfth of the UK's population, our economy is about one sixth the size of the UK's. So we are, relative to population, about twice as rich/productive as the UK.

@Jack The Film Fanatic eh ye bailed out Irish banks you idiot. Irish banks that held a lot of UK debt that you didn't want to reach the UK. Ireland paid back all that money to the UK too I should add plus interest. You do know the UK lives off borrowed money? You borrow from the rest of the world and pay back every day. Ireland has 5 million people and has a GDP of 340 billion. England has a population of 57 million and a GDP of 1.8 trillion. Seems we are the ones doing better by that math. We also have better living standards and are growing much faster. Simple fact is the mistreatment of Ireland was the beginning of the end for the union. Ireland always has 1/3 the population of the British Isles. But in the 19th century as Ireland reached 9 million and England 13 million, England realised the Irish and Scots together would take power away from the English in the Union. So ye let us starve to death. I'm not bitter it was a long time ago. But causing Ireland population to fall to 3.5 million in the years after and to then deny home rule in 1912 was the first nail in the coffin. If the English didn't keep the other food we had in plenty in ireland from the poor Ireland would have industrialised, become a major player in the UK and today would have 20 to 25 million people at least. That would make the modern Union a very fair one with Ireland having 25 million, Scotland 5 million, Wales 3 million. So about 40% the population being non English. Instead Ireland left and shrunk. You kept northern Ireland which was too small to be self sufficient and alienated smaller Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. Even in 2019 the Union is unfair as it upholds English power and dominance in politics and referendums etc. No fair system in place. The UK should have become a federal union in the early to mid 19th century with a huge England and huge Ireland balancing the Union. But England stopped that. The future will be a united Ireland of 7 million, an independent Scotland of 5 million and maybe but not gauranteed a free Wales of 3 million too. All 3 states in the EU and competing against England for investment and growth. England has shot itself in the foot and this century will be the death of England's role in the world other than in London. A celtic confederacy in the EU between Ireland, Scotland and Wales seems more possible now than Scotland and the other small nations staying in the EU. I'm Irish and can tell you Scotland being a similar nation to us will do just fine and the EU would support Wales and Northern Ireland too. The EU is planning for both irish unification and Scottish independence in the future. I should also add the island of Ireland will have 11 million by 2050 vs England's 62 million. So even our population is booming faster.

@Jack The Film Fanatic What is it with Brixiteers? Your default skill set doesn't include 'Reading for Comprehension', it appears. Please READ what I WROTE! "Every comparative rating of countries by per capita GNP, GDP, or GNI has consistently placed the Republic of Ireland(RoI) in the top five countries in the world, while the UK struggles to make it into the top 30." Please note the 'per capita', as in 'per head of population', or 'economy divided by population'. Economists use this metric when comparing the relative wealth or affluence of different countries. The UK, at best, is the world's sixth largest economy. That will change soon, downwards.

@Jack The Film Fanatic youre so dumb. You're going by total wealth.... Its by wealth per capita. India is in the top 10 just behind UK and 90% its people are genuine peasants

We dont want independence from the UK. Scotland voted against it too. Stop agitating

@Alfa&Omega 00000 Dictatorship? Are you even from the UK?

@@samuelmc0123 Barely anyone understands Welsh, they teach it so badly and there is literally no incentive to learn. If you want to gatekeep being Welsh then be my guest, but you'll find that the amount of Welsh people by your stupid definition will shrink rather quickly. I was born here, I've lived here all my life, is that good enough for you idiot?

wales doesnt suck wales doesnt suck 855,200 people in Wales can speak Welsh actually, and they teach it very well in Gwynedd (where i’m from) . Twice in this ‘chat’ you have given your opinion and labelled it as ‘we’ and ‘they’ , don’t speak for others if you have no clue what happens across Wales (places that aren’t your area).

The fact that the eu referendum and "brexit! freedom despite having no plan or answers!" happened just after the 2014 'indy' referendum (that highlighted exactly the same flaws of nationalist seperatist fantasies) is just embarrassing. Equally, the fact that there are **still** the same unfounded claims made for 'indy' when we are **literally in the mire of all the flaws of 'split froma union with no plan or answers'** is nothing to boast about. It's as if nationalist seperatist campaigns, fueled by manufactured grievances and resentment......are not sound foundations for the future.

But the Welsh would be better off. If Luxembourg, Malta Finland, Switzerland, Ireland etc, etc are all viable, small European nations, then why not Wales?

@@100geemo78 No, they wouldn't and the examples you mention are evidence of why. If you knew the individual circumstances of those countries you wouldn't make the argument you're making. To a certain extent, geography is destiny, as Wales is much more tightly coupled to England than any of the countries you mentioned are with their neighbours.

@@GonzoTehGreat Our tight coupling to England is exactly what we need to be free of!

@@polwong7716 then what ? You do know Luxembourg, Switzerland and Ireland are all doing well in large part because of their banking industry/tax haven. That's not gonna last and adding more countries to that list probably won't work. As we've seen in 2008 the banking sector around the world is already far to big and it wasn't fixed. The next crisis is already looming. The financial sector making money by moving money around is not a basis for a good economy which creates jobs.

@I swing the Hammer of Thor I am Hunter theres only 2 mosques in Wales you twit

I am Hunter The fuck you on about?

Angry Welshman there’s actually 40, and just under 4,000 churches

Do what the french did to royals

Engand gets all assests seen as it pays for all assests

@@gabbar51ngh Replace them with a military dictatorship?

@@theredraven kill em

@@harrywilliams576 And then replace them with a military dictatorship?

A girl in the video doubt wales would be able to survive because of the small population of 3 million, ireland managed for years with a pop of 3 million. I think scotland has an advantage over wales because scotland has a lot of oil and gas.

Wales does have one resource in abundance that she already exports to England and that's water. I hope you get yur independence

You're in an echo chamber... Ireland is a bancrupt State who's national identity has been soldby their own cultural Marxist politicians

@@DoktorLorenz hmmm, I think you will find that the statistical data does not support your claim!

@@macker33 ummm not they dont Scotland gave the oil to England as the English promised the Scottish that they will sat in the eu but once again the english lied to the Scots

Sterteböker After step 1 Scotland 2 Wales 3 Ireland you have forgotten step 4 and 5 to make the whole desaster complete. 4. Scotland, Wales and the united Ireland form according to their common culture a United Celtic Union UCU. 5. The UCU begins to start a rebellion in Celtic Cornwall to make also Cornwall want to leave England and become member of the UCU. Then the stupid Brexit nationalists have what they want. A nationalist but tiny and destroyed England that will be overtaken by Islam in the not too far distant future. The so-called "patriot" Johnson is in reality the UK's undertaker. lmao

wild one 90% of England’s water comes from wales and Scotland, Wales' present export of water to England, from the Elan Valley to Birmingham and from Lake Vyrnwy and Tryweryn to Liverpool, would be worth £4.5 billion a year.

Free England. You can all row your own boats. See ya!

They’re already free you daft twat

@@drench1580 Not true, it only happens if Westminster allows it and now that it looks like Scotland would become independent after another vote surprise surprise Boris regime wont let the country have a vote. Or northern Ireland.

Steven Owen Scotland does not need permission. Section 30 is just important because it commits both sides to accept the result. The matter has never been tested in court although is currently on its way as we speak.

@@samantha-janehood5045 Yes it does, due to the nature of Section 30 Scotlands parliament doesnt have the power to hold a referendum on it's on independence. It was only able to vote last time because the UK government passed the Section 30 order, that essentially temporarily lifted any restrictions on Scotland's ability to hold its own referendum. Scotland could attempt to hold it's own referendum but this would merely be an advisory election and not legally binding. The reason being is that Holyrood can't legislate on ‘reserved matters,’ which are the responsibility of the UK Parliament. Paragraph 1(b) of schedule 5 of the Scotland Act 1998 states that “the Union of the Kingdoms of Scotland and England” is a reserved matter. This means the Scottish Parliament could hold it's own election but it would merely be that, a referendum. I couldn't then go on to declare independence even if it a majority voted in favour of it. A good example of how a non legally binding referendum can turn out is the 2017 Catalonia Referendum, we all know how that turned out. And they wouldn't do this anyway as Nicola Sturgeon has already stated she wont do this, she wants a legally recognised vote. Also, there was no legally binding rule in the section 30 order that stated only one vote could be held in any set timescale, only that a vote had to be held in 2014. That's a popular myth. The Section 30 Order was part of the 2012 Edinburgh Agreement, which was essentially just a basic break down of how and order would play out, the only mention of any timescale was that the vote had to take place in 2014. That's it. Plus all the Section 30 order is, is an order that just temporarily grant's Scotland the power to vote on matters beyond the agreed scope of the Scottish parliament. It's been used 16 times and whether or not the order should be granted is supposed to be democratic and passed in parliament. Basically whenever Scotland asks for the right to use thr Section 30 Order for something, it's supposed to be voted on by MPs in the house of commons. The last time Scotland wanted to vote on Independence it asked Westminster if it could do so and Westminster voted yes. Now, however the UK government wont even allow this vote to take place! The second time Scotland asked Theresa May didnt even let Westminster vote and simply refused, which is exactly what Boris has done again this. Basically, if the Order isnt presented to parliament to be agreed on (which is kind of illegal by the way) there's nothing Scotland can do besides going to court and trying to legally argue that it has the right of to hold a legally binding election itself but I'm pretty sure it would fail since that's not ever been agreed upon by the terms of the union.

Steven Owen Hahahahaha. You we’re doing so well until you said it would fail. Its tricky for the Scottish Parliament to take this to court because they are the “parliament” not the “people. We have the Declaration of Arbroath 1320. I dont know where we would be without this Declaration and thank god King Robert the Bruce created it. This declaration declares the people of Scotland are sovereign above any parliament and above any Queen/King. Which means we have the right to a referendum if we so wish. A campaigning group (which im a part of) called Forward As One. Has gathered funds of over 40,000 and currently has hired a QC On the “Peoples” Behalf to take this to court. So it is already there. The “People” can challenge this refusal as we can use the declaration of arbroath however Nicola cannot. There is very very little chance we would be refused as WE the PEOPLE of Scotland are Soverign. She could, however, swoop in last minute when this is ruled lawful and use this to move forward on holding another referendum.

Look I'm not against Scotland having a referendum, you could vote for independence tomorrow if I had my way. But the reality is that the current system sadly doesn't allow for it.Plus trying to use the treaty of Arbroath to justify it is pretty flimsy, its centuries old and written in Latin so its extremely difficult to translate and interpert. I'd image the first problem would like be that the document states the decision is up to the people of Scotland but at the time when documents said 'the people' they were talking about the only people they considered important, that is to say the nobility not the people of Scotland as a whole. That's a modern understanding of the word people.

Imagine sacrificing £, NHS, free movement within the UK etc. For a visa free holiday to Italy. Cause that's literally one of the only main benefits of the EU. If you haven't noticed, if we stayed in the EU, we wouldn't have progressed so well with Vaccination. You're a delusional nationalist that uses the EU as a excuse.

@@jacobmacaree3063 pal, the £ is falling in value so we would happily sacrifice it. The NHS was formed in Wales by a Welsh man. your point about visa free holidays is just a deluded view of brexiteers

72 of which rely on foreign aid

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/22/english-people-wales-brexit-research

@@jamied4106 Got to love the Guardian scorning the immigrant vote.

The referendum was over three years ago. If Brexit was such a great idea, it would have happened by now. Maybe in the past three years Welsh voters have changed their mind over to a majority preferring to Remain. Honestly, just a guess on my part.

@@agt155 yeah man, Fuck the guardian, they've spent years cultivating an anti English sentiment.

@@jasonfaulkner8644 nah, if that what they thought they should start new wales only-referendum

li d working class

If you genuinely think imperialism has stopped in other places around the world you're naive. I agree that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have suffered profound neglect within the union, but atrocities like Blair's prove that our imperialism is alive and well around the globe.

China gives the UK criticism over imperialism while they are the biggest empire in the world. They are made up of 54 nations. Tibet is one

England isn't even a nation anymore. It has no Parliament, no independent representation, and even flying the English flag is deemed unsavoury. The majority of English people identify as "British" before "English". How can their be "imperialism" from a country that only exists officially and has no identity in the 21st Century. Perhaps it's the English that have been most suppressed by the formation of the United Kingdom.

@@dean1039 literally none of what you just said is true, and the idea that England is the most suppressed country in the union is comically out of touch with reality.

No, it isn’t. Because that means crippling austerity and uncertainty for decades and no guarantee that we’ll ever reach the amount of funding that we receive right now.

Wales dose not want independence

The beginning of the UK's resurgence will be marked by Brexit

@@cueball6969 Dream on. UK is creaking at the seams. Brexit is failing at the ports. Small business face bankruptcy as EU customers are stung for VAT and imports have customs fees. Fishermen can't sell their catch. Northern Irish supermarkets have empty shelves .... At least Scotland and N. Ireland have potential escape routes from this English Tory madness.

Wales don't want to leave the UK and neither does scotland!

None of them do these are just opportunists seizing their best chance

Rachel White - lol, nowhere near a conclusion from any facts or sources of poling

SMEGY 89 - dude, people change their minds

It's to scare people into voting for remain partys..

How can I apply for immigration?

@@ardeshirkeshavarziarshadi906 From your name, Im expecting you're the wrong colour to be in this guys Independent House. That's England for you.

@@YDdraigGoch43 You wouldn't know.

Got my passport ready! Get the tea on! xxx

Wales don't belong UK

Have a close look at Singapore to where it is today. We were part of the Malaysian Federation in 1963 after breaking free from British colonial rule but we didn't get the same equal treatment by the elite in Kuala Lumpur for 2 years until we separated on August 9, 1965 and chartered our destiny 56 years later you can see where we are now. Once you broke free from the shackles of Westminster you may follow Singapore's way how we developed and don't hesitate to get advice from us, we are ready to give you a warm friendship and a helping hand the way we got help from other countries during our early years of independence.

Ok..... The reason that wales is living in poverty and deprivation is because the billions and billions it gets from England is mismanaged and wasted by the ridiculous welsh assembly!!. England is very much disadvantaged by the union and massively undervalued and disrespected by the other smaller members . But Independence will come to Wales and scotland soon enough and then you'll be able to get and paddle your own canoe...and of course..... Pay for it!!! 😱

Thank you for proving me wrong......Last week I stated to friends I saw the most stupid comment on Utube.

West Wales is the poorest part of Europe and London is the richest seems fair

Aron Lloyd try driving flying or going by train from South to North Wales without going into England.

Please explain to me how you’d make it work. I’m not trying to be clever or put Wales down in any way but I’m at a loss to understand how you’re going to do it.

@@gwenstone8171 we'll build a wall. And England will pay for it

Gwen Stone you would have to move Shropshire and Herefordshire into Wales Shrewsbury is the kingpin to North and South Wales road and rail link it's probably easier to get to London than Cardiff if you live in Wrexham or the North wales coast .

Welsh independence 'is on the table ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OtoO5u0X6LA.html&lc=z23ox1uabva0ig1tm2hd0sk2ecg1420itp1u5a1ipj00u00c2.1579219928861147

I read a paper once that talked about how smaller countries, if they can avoid corruption, tend to have more effective and accountable governments. Switzerland was the given example.

The last part of the sentence tickled me lol very true same here in my part of Wales

@@Jake-vn1hz Why? Every country should run their own affairs. Since the war, scores of countries have left UK rule and not one has ever asked to re-join. Why's that?

😂😂😂

@@100geemo78 "every county".

Just don't be shocked if you end up getting occupied.

Wales does make its own laws moron. They have a Welsh Assembly and they sit pro rata in the Westminster Parliament

Irish independence was won through war. 100 years on its has one of the highest GDPs in Europe. Wales could easily make indepdance a success.

Ehm, why don't you look at the link you posted? Have you noticed that the Irish debt is decreasing and UK debt is rising?

Bessie Belle We are the nation silencing the other nations

@Mr. Cheesy Chips You seem to be forgetting the London and Westminster are massively pro remain not leave... What you said therefore doesn't make any sense in relation to the OP's post.

And what Irish independence group would that be? The one where you take orders from Macron and Merkel?

Straight White Male Club hey dopey smurf, we’ve been independent for 100 years. We simply TOOK it. Wake up you brainwashed slaves 🤣🤣

@@user-hm8wf2jf1h you're in the EU that is not being independent

@@thevelvetsociety I don't think we do. Not like the UK takes orders from the US, poodle bitch dog.

@Al L more nonsense

On the contrary, Welsh NHS is in excellent shape compared England: and the Welsh govt is currently led by Labour.

@@regmunday8354 And it works because the population is so small because nobody wants to live there

@@regmunday8354 have you seen NHS Wales waiting times? They're dreadful

@@regmunday8354 It’s really not, we just get more money given to us than England does.

Hope so

Go for it can not wait to see it happen.. please do tell me what will Wales do once inderpendant to support your country..?

wales independent

Wales doesn't want independence, this is just another EU plot

I bet 100% scottish independence party is financially backed by either the eu , and so will the welsh independence party, they want power taken from the uk, what better way than doing this? Split the country make it weak, put up eu borders on scotland and wales take the land and power, are people blind to this? Were under psychological warfare attacks, they are hoping on our history and battles in the past to split us up

Thank fuck you are in the minority🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Viennic🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧 I’m English and I wish they were the majority. I’ve never come across so much hatred from any group of people before I started talking to the Welsh. I don’t hate all welsh people, but now I’ve had enough of their ignorance. I don’t want to share a nation with them

Only reason I would want an independent wales is to stop immigration from the soon to become Islamic republic of England

Viennic🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧 do you actually know how many Muslims there is in England? It’s really not that many. Could I ask why you don’t want independence? It looks like it’s there’s more desire for it now. And by the way I’ve changed my mind on my original statement. I’ve had mostly negative experiences with welsh people, that doesn’t mean you’re all bad. I like this union, and think it benefits us all. Do you know why some people don’t think that way?

Viennic🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧 I’ve since changed my mind. Welsh people are fuckin great people long live the union and all that

Sorry that name is taken by the canadians. Try Welshixt

I think not....

they would have a Welsh name for this ...

I don’t blame Wales. They didn’t put the dragon in the Union Jack.

Is that North Wexit Mid Wexit South Wexit all connected by road and rail by England

No need to renounce citizenship just get on with it and go, theres plenty of room and you will not need a visa.

Ireland is not independent yet we still have 6 counties to go will

An excellent point. In August 1914, Ireland sought Home Rule, not a sniff of interest independence. By 1924, Ireland had participated in the Great War, had an uprising, fought a war of independence, left the UK, had a civil war and joined the League of Nations. Big things can happen relatively quickly, all that is required is a catalyst...

@@tsarnicholasii274 Silly propaganda. EC membership was Irelands path to prosperity.

Nah that big dna thing they found the north of England was more germanic/norse so viking saxon mix south more of a germanic saxon lowlands of Scotland the same as the North of England South of Wales was germanic due to influx of flemush settlers

Oh and I'm Welsh

Daniel Cronin perhaps Ireland will help subsidise an independent Wales?

Not just looting all forms of sustenance from the population of Ireland. Their so & so queen dispatched battle-ships/britannica N an attempt to prevent convoys of cargo-vessels from so many Nations delivering all sources of food. Howcome nobody acknowledges this atrocity. A movie describing such barbarity & greed. Not to mention shamefulness will remedy the spectre of dunces abound!

@Ian Jenkins It wouldn’t need any , other than as a new independent nation it would be given lots of help from the established E U nations of which Ireland ( now that its a rich country) contributes to that funding . Ireland benefited hugely. from EU help at the beginning and this allowed. Ireland develop. pretty rapidly. So, no reason the hardworking people of Wales wouldn’t. make their homeland a bright and wonderful place to live . That won’t ever happen under Westminster rule .

SMEGY 89 don’t know what’s so good about a U.K. I think if countries broke up into smaller units more could be get done locally

@@likklej8 Can you pay for all of wales yourself though, no subsidies from the uk I mean England

Anthony Burke Most Welsh people live in England now because there’s no economy there. My dad is Welsh and his family moved to England when he was a child. My dad’s welsh and voted for Brexit in England

I’m welsh. I want OUT of the EU along with all the other brexiteers in the rest of the UNITED KINGDOM 🇬🇧🇬🇧

Spitfire 2 back up rubbish. Plenty of people making a decent living in wales

Anthony Burke oh jeez you’re one of those ..

And when we’re down to England and France and Scotland and wales and Northern Ireland let’s all go for counties as independent countries as well. Why stop? It’ll be amazing

Norse ko Free to abide by English law? We haven’t been free for hundreds of years. P.s I’m soo sorry it’s doing your head in , NOT!

@@thetribalelevator just out of interest what will Wales do if inderpendant to support it's country as I do not know what you have to trade apart from wool and meat and a little fish. Would you plan on joining E.U ?

English Budz it’s not about Economic growth, to me it’s simply about having our freedom. Survival comes after that. We do have lots of water though,and the Welsh National party has said they want to legalise cannabis,so that would boost our economy a lot. I’d rather be apart of the EU than be England’s little play thing,simple.

Free Wales

@@thetribalelevator like the sound of legal cannabis for medical aswell as recreational use that would be cool. Be good to see N.I Scotland and Wales get inderpendance to be honest. I would love nothing more than England to separate from all. Be able to call England, England again without being looked at racist. Well good luck to Wales and Scotland i truly hope you get the result you want. 😏

What did you do with all the mineral wealth you stole from them then..,

It's just misguided hate, England is not problem just London is, London is the problem for us in England too

@@maxstafford60093 England stole nothing we kept them afloat all these years!

@@gethcreator751 send a few million eu immigrant out of London and put them in scotland! problem solved

@@maxstafford60093 Paid for it, they were privatised industries owned by Welsh people

It's not even been 1,000 years... :S

@@Delogros The Romans? and Anglo- Saxon and Scots invasions?

@@TheLewisLegend Romans didn't invade Wales neither did the saxons the Britons where client kingdoms, Wales was no annexed until after 1066.

@@Delogros I'm pretty sure it was under Alfred the Great's control during the Danelaw

Delogros Wales was completely conquered by the Romans. Wales, North England and the West Midlands formed the Roman province of Britannia Inferior. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Inferior

So Catalan North Italy etc all will break away soon

You talk as a Globalist garbage...Europe is a continent and the EU is a Rothschild corporation and as a experiment of the World New Order...You as a poor idiot believing that the EU is so United when the reality is there out....The reason is that each European country be independent and free... Italy free, Spain free, UK free, Germany free, France free, Belgium free, Sweden free, Finland free, Greece free, Austria free, Poland free..The National identity is first....The EU is a Imperialist corporation adoctrinating you his fake European value lol .....Wake up idiot..

Yes let all UK nations have own governments.

@Mr. Cheesy Chips the Celts came from the Iberic peninsula to the British isles..

It's just amazing that it has come to this, all because of some lies about the EU from Farage and Jacob Rees Mogg.

@@blameyourself4489 Lies, what lies? Ah you mean those spouted by Remainers who think that only they had the intelligence to know how to vote in the Referendum. Sorry, losers!

@@robertgriffith8857 Unfortunately you don't sound particularly intelligent. I'll give you this much.

Blame Yourself In other words you haven’t got an answer!

@@robertgriffith8857 You're not worth an answer, is that answer enough?

it doesn't look like the EU is going to exist at all, whar are you talking about? It's still crumbling and will fail. Just a matter of how long. The UK may crumble too

Brainwashed.

Scotland voted to stay in the EU. They are the first to open the floodgates of dissolution . The Scots were tricked to remain into the UK under the false promise of remaining in the EU during their independence referendum. Also little Britain threatened to veto any attempt of an independent Scotland to begin the process of joining the EU

@@asicdathens I believe Scotland should be kick out. They are dragging the entire UK. They contribute little yet receive lot

That's true, but you need to think about the misinformation spread at the time. Also there's far too many English living in Wales so that contributes too.

@@malikkamal6017 " I believe Scotland should be kick out"? You are entitled to believe any nonsense you want. "They are dragging the entire UK. They contribute little yet receive lot"? That claim is complete and utter rubbish. But please feel free to kick Scotland out. Yeah, watch the Scots cower in terror as they take with them almost all the UK's Exclusive Economic Zone, because almost all of it is defined with reference to the coasts of Scotland. Hear them complain as they take ALL the income from the oil and gas fields. Enjoy the gnashing of teeth as Scotland exports huge amounts of renewable energy... I really don't think that you have actually thought this through...

@@richierich1835 The fuck are you talking about? I'm fine with a few Englishman, but rich bastards buying up multiple houses became it's trendy is something I don't like. If they're doctors fine, but don't buy up houses which native welshmen should have.

@Another NPC you know 10 years ago I was laught at for say that now it does sound that bad the north as the same GDP has Denmark and they seem to be doing well

Commie. ONLY FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!

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No..each part should find its own way!

Yes break England north England and south England

Dumnonia!

Boudica would have Brexited. King Alfred the Great would have united crown, town and gown on the matter. But alas, in 1066 continental Normans took over and thus began 950 years of European immigration and loss of control of the borders.

Better a England independent...A English identity...

brexit is for the UK people not the 10s of millions of immigrants living here

Well said sir. Notwithstanding various govts decisions n problems things are wat they are. Wales cudnt stand alone.

Good doggy

@@ardakolimsky7107 be careful. Push gud doggies n they'll take ya head off. My late doggy wud

@@shuramasmusic Na...wales is full of lapdogs. No fear there.

@@ardakolimsky7107 lol

United States of Europe FTW ! :)

How about independence for craggy island

That means as a consequence that also East Anglia, Essex, Kent, Mercia, Northumbria, Sussex and Wessex should be independent from England, right ?

Anglus Patria Anglo-centrists and their arrogance...you wouldn’t be anywhere today without the labour of celts that you’ve shat on for hundreds of years. Your coal was Welsh, your tin was Cornish, your roads and railroads were built by the Irish, your energy comes from the Scottish. The English have exploited the people around them and are now surprised that they hold resentment.

this is true but you will find they share similarities that Wales does not possess, Wales is not a tax haven isn't full of billionaires and doesn't have tropical weather I'm afraid.

@@casperslaststandme5991 Ireland would like to have a word with you

I like the idea of independent wheels.

Antony Stringfellow shut up boomer

Wheels deserve their freedom

Form the Celtic Union with Cymru, Alba, Eire, Kernow.

@Soda King More like since 1921 when the country was split. Also England didn't conquer Ireland properly until 1603. So the 700 years thing doesn't apply outside Dublin, which was never a completely Irish city anyway, more like 320 years for the rest of the country.

I wonder why. Unintentionally perceptive, comrade...

Well that seems like a very knowledgeable description of the matter.

They can blame brexit of course, after all nothing has to be realistic in our own universe

Niknoks go fuck yourself

not for much longer,support for Indy is now 41%

@@Tonydjjokerit No it isnt, nobody wants independence

@@walesdoesntsuck6635 not yet!!!but opinion polls suggest otherwise

Only England remains just now that's the problem

@Sean Noone wrong it would be the U.K. of England, Isle of Man and crown dependencies and the overseas territories.

We can't wait! Hurry up and go.

Which will stay a first world country and probably have less debt than they do with us

Cymru / Wales should look to Singapore for what they have achieved for 56 years when they became independent after leaving the Malaysian Federation in 1965, read the book "From Third World to First" by Mr. Lee Kwan Yew(1923-2015) Singapore's founding Prime Minister and Elder Statesman.

@@dennis12dec You honestly think that Wales would be a similar case to Singapore?