Brexit Wipes Out UK’s BIGGEST Steelworks. Decimates Wales. Media Covered It Up. 

Your soy based diet explains a lot

@@HarryFlashmanVCit must hurt, being owned by a person whose eating habits you irrationally hate.

@mrbadguysan you're appearing to confuse me with someone who gives an aeronautical copulation for your opinions.

@@HarryFlashmanVC But you do seem to have attacked someone for no reason. Did you vote to leave or stay? Real question.

I feel the same is happening right now in America. Some Americans would gladly vote in a fascist dictatorship not realizing that all of their protections, freedoms and rights just disappear within a few years.Only to later crying "They are not hurting the people they are supposed to be hurting" (just like a MAGA grandmother complained on national tv)

Of corse they did, lol easier to blame the others.

Precisely, Mrniceguy6050! Well said!

That’s if you believe these people were motivated by lies; as opposed to an opportunity to stick it to foreigners and people with different skin colours to them.

​@@matthewyabsleylike all cults, sadly they do actually believe lies that are very obvious to those of us who are not in a cult. You know if they are in a cult if they are able to watch more than a few seconds of any right-wing media outlet without becoming physically ill - literally. The very reason that they are bigots is because they are prone to such thoughts in the first place and why they seek-out whichever cult in their region that supports their bigoted beliefs. For example, if a person with similar damage to their prefrontal cortex is born in the Middle East, then they might be attracted to one of the major right-wing extremist cults like ISIS. If they are born in the USA, then they will be able to watch Fox "news" and right-wing podcasts... which leads them to the world's most vile cult: Treasonous Trump's Chumps (formerly known as the "Republican Party"). In the UK, they are able to watch Rupert Murdock's media misinformation networks and are part of the Tory cult. All those people are the same in the way that matters most about what defines them as bigots: their local right-wing extremist cult.

@@matthewyabsley honestly I think they were just giving people what they wanted. We want somebody to tell us that the countries problems are not our fault. What better than to blame immigrant or the eu for the issues we caused ourselves. And this is not just happening in the Uk

I’m from South Wales and I have no sympathy whatsoever. The number of people I know who revealed themselves to be xenophobic was shocking. They deserve everything that’s coming and I’m leaving.

It's always the same. Nothing is ever their fault. First it was the fault of the EU, now it's the fault of politicians. But it's never the fault of xenophobes who vote against their own best interest.

The Redcar steelworks closed in 2015, when Britain was a member of the European Union 🤔

@@davidpryle3935 in vew of Brexshit talks gaining serious momentum, it's called; having a strategic foresight..

@@davidpryle3935 And your point is....?

For generations? Forever. The UK will never rejoin the EU unfortunately. 😢

The Welsh didn't vote to leave. Wales voted Leave 52-48, and what tipped the scale was the English vote, especially the pensioners. Leave won by 82,000, there are twice that many English pensioners in Wales, and their districts overwhelmingly voted Leave. The more Welsh a district was, the more likely it voted Remain.

@@BalefulBunyip The UK will never be economically eligible to join. They are going to collapse fast. The UK way of life is going to become more similar to india, but worse due to having less resources.

@@rifelaw The brexit vote was always nonsense. The way they did the Yes/No would have grouped soft brexiters with hard brexiters. Soft brexiters have nothing in common with hard brexiters. Soft brexiters should have counted as remainers. The poll was designed to mislead people and fake more support for hard brexit.

Indeed. Modern Wales was built by the EU. It’s like Monty Python, “What did the EU ever did for us in Wales?” The EU, “Everything. We just checked the invoices. We bank rolled you.”

Rather, realising you now have to spend the rest of your life in a shitted bed.......

Its the first time in history that a country imposed economic sanctions on itself

That's why he's a comedian and not a serious person.

... and anyone which at least a modicum of good sense knows that comedians are not to be taken seriously. Leaving the EU was about abandoning unresponsive and unaccountable governance by persons the public cannot remove from office and replacing it with representative democracy. During the referendum campaign, the "Remain" side played a blinder. It kept the debate firmly focused on the putative economic consequences of leaving the EU. However, this wasn't successful, because it was the political consequences of continued membership which was the important issue. The "Leave" campaign gained traction because unrestricted immigration from eastern Europe was undermining the workman's collective bargaining position and the tradesman's pricing power. When these persons appealed to government for protection, the government replied that it could do nothing because the EU wouldn't let it. So those being impoverished by the immigration demanded that the government get the EU to change its rules. David Cameron went to Brussels asking for this to happen. He was told to "go forth and multiply". This left only one course of action for those seeking redress of their grievance... for the UK to leave the EU. The taxpayers pay the government's salaries. The taxpayers expect the government to do as it is told by the electorate. Now that the political class is answerable to the public once more, that should not be an unreasonable expectation. The political class, not unnaturally, don't want to be answerable to the public, and many resent losing access to a trough that is significantly deeper and richer than is the UK's trough. Consequently, we are being exposed to all this authoritarian nonsense about leaving the EU having been a bad thing. Change always brings winners and losers. That is the nature of change. In this particular case the losers are a highly vocal minority. That's why everyone is being bombarded with false claims.

@@sauermaischeyahoo7834 anyone with a modicum of common sense knows the jester was the only one allowed to speak freely in the king's court

Yes!

Wow well said! Yes it w ell take years to get back what you lost ,if ever ! 😢

And that would be an under-statement.

​@@blue_jay31 We're getting exactly what we deserve after a very long period of arrogance. Hopefully in a few decades time the British public will have learned that the Empire no longer exists and we need to work together with other nations rather than think we're above them. I've become so ashamed of the UK over the past 8 years that I cannot refer to myself as British anymore.

@@iaincochrane8741 I dont see why Scotland would want to remain. Scotland is much more alligned with EU politically than Westminister anyways. Westminister is not a democracy. Scotland should go independent, join the EU and charge ahead in economic growth. Scotland economy is so intertwined with England, that borders will hurt. But considering they gain the free market of the EU, and freedom of movement. I doubt the transition would be very hard, atleast compared to this hard brexit. The EU has alot of economic might to help out. My country of Norway is not in EU, but we are a special case who has so much natural resources that it actually would be a net loss to join EU due to how wealthy we are. And kinda why we do not join. But most economies do not work like Norway. If Norway did not have all the oil, we would certainly be in the EU aswell. Anything else would be economic stupid. Alltho you could argue staying out of the EU is bad for us longterm, cause the oil will end. And we will be late to carve out our share of the EU market. But dutch disease makes running competitive businesses very hard in Norway. Oil sector pushes up the salaries, making steel work etc unprofitable. As they need to compete with the oil sector for workers. Aka pushing wages up. Thats why most of Norways industry died or moved to other countries.

Don't forget that UK 2016 is old and unattractive full of weird beliefs that they are sexy...

Pretty much. "We only need to ditch the Europeans, then the Empire will come back all by itself..."

It changes from country to country. But divorsing without a prenup would mostly mean marital assets (50-50) so it would be better than a prenup.

Mission accomplished. No more jobs for foreigners to take 😂

exactly

@MaartenOtto. I agree for the most part. It's just another chapter in the managed decline of the UK. People were deliberately sold a good lie. If it's too good to be true, then it's a con. It's always someone else's fault with these Tories, the UK needs to take power back from Brussels, then we can have nice things. OK, you got Brexit. Things are still crap. A lack of accessible and affordable housing. A crumbling public sector to name a few things. Who else can they blame? I know, migrants. progressives, It's tiresome. I'm old enough to have lived through their cycle and smell their BS from a mile off. I'm tired, it's pathetic how these people think they have credibility and an authority on what this country needs to thrive. The past 15 years and the Thatcher reverberations are evidence enough that this form of government just doesn't work for the majority. These people are liars, crooks, thieves and any other nasty thing you can think of to describe them.

And remember when we told you lot illegal migration was bad and you called us racist. I hope your happy with your mess.

Four years on after Brexit, and that supposed exodus of talent from Britain is yet to emerge. The UK’s capital has been attracting talent instead. Last week, oil and gas company Exxon Mobil asked traders in Brussels to cross the Channel and relocate to London, writing in an email that they had to either up sticks from the bloc’s HQ or leave the company. The statement won’t be music to Remoaners’ ears: “As we continue to strengthen our trading community, London provides better proximity to trading activities, trading talent pool, and will support our evolution as a trading organization.” Exxon has already made the savvy move of transferring its UK traders from commuter town Leatherhead to the capital, all to allure top-tier talent. Fuelling yet another win for Brexit Britain…

@@markperrin8098 So it's good for the parasitic bankers? Go tell a steel worker that, I'll call the ambulance!

@@Ffinity 1) Modern arc furnaces can produce high quality steel. 2) Port Talbot will produce approximately the same amount of steel as with its existing furnaces, with less workers. 3) Other than A.merica the UK exports more scrap metal than any other country in the world, some 8 million tons, often to those cheap foreign steelworks the EU is so terrified of. 4) Investing in new arc furnaces is a significant commitment to UK steel for at least 20-30 years. 5) The new furnaces will cut carbon emissions by 50 million tons over a decade, or the equivalent of 2 million homes. If this is because of Brexit, then hallelujah for another brilliant Brexit benefit.

Really? How do you prefer Brazil. As an independent country or if it were to be subordinated to a supra national entity like EU?

@@pobinr , what a misconceiving question. That is the whole concept behind the United States. All 50 states recognize that they are much more powerful united, working under a single banner than being totally independent. That has been the overwhelming consensus since the Civil War. If I were British, I would prefer a strong UK, united with Europe over total independence but still having to bow to China, India, the US and Europe because we are too weak to compete with them.

​@@pobinrBut, Brazil is working to get the EU&Mercosur trade deal done ... Because it opens markets etc. For example Brazil would never separate from Mercosur, in fact, we welcomed Bolivia last year 😂

@@dxd42 yes a free trade deal. EU membership is different. It's not free trade. It's insidious political union by stealth. It's not just about 1 or 2% GDP. What about 80% of fish in our waters given away, sovereignty, £12bn/yr, not permitted to do our own trade deals, mass immigration of unskilled taking jobs, driving down wages, filling up housing etc Remaintards thought this was a good deal🤔🙄

@@madinkan OK try this. A residents association that tells you to leave your front door open & can override any decisions you make regarding how you must run your household. The big benefit for you being, you participate in some small way in how other people run their households & you gain the right to wander into their houses 🤔🙄 Great Fine you don't really believe in separate nations. You want more & more centralised control. But the British people value democracy & independence sacrificed for a pathetic bad trade deal on EU trade that's only 10% of UK economy, over globalism & the EU.

On par with the Mughal Uprising.

@@ThorstenKreutzenberger"Self-inflcted wounds" is a key part of the statement.

@@ThorstenKreutzenberger You didn't understand what was said... wihch is why your rsponse has zero context to the conversation.

They wanted to have a British first empire. MBGA . Me. Me. Me. No man is an island.

They took your job!

Peopled I'd not want to see it.

I have someone very dear to me who now denies ever wanting & voting for brexit. A close friend apologised re voting for brexit. Someone else spoke endlessly re wanting brexit but now denies it .. he was the dimmest by far. What an @ss he is & I will not take his calls. Bring on the GE, let's start fixing something for a change.

Yes, we did see it! We saw it so fucking clearly & we tried to warn the Leave voters, only to be mocked & silenced at every turn. And now we're all in the shit. Honestly, anyone that voted Leave should have to pay some form of reparations to the rest of us for fucking us over.

You couldn't have made it up... 16 million people, almost half the electorate, actually voted for unresponsive and unaccountable governance by persons the public cannot remove from office.

The reality is that none of the potential opportunities have been capitalised upon. The dribbling masses have been divided and conquered and the elites can quite literally do what they like

That is 100% why most people voted to leave the EU I believe

Well t be fair Eu is quiet complicated to understand, And politician in Eu make a guilty pleasure to said sometimes "its EU faults if we have to do this or that" even if its not true. So the problems is there, lies sleeping for 20 40 years. Then people realised that the problem was not EU but leaving Eu made new problems appears, without solving old ones.

​@@mathieuphilippe6549yes the EU was the government escape goat, but when we finaly left they no longer had the EU to blame for all there shit aweful ideas and plans.

Funny part is, they already worked for Tata. India is just getting the jobs home to make ot's voters happy Brexit style :)

getting rid of black and brown people to be more exact 😂

Even inaction could have consequences. Complex world and change is difficult. ✌️🫶

@@rayRay-pw6gz well everything about Brexit was going to be a disaster, there was no preparation, they wanted the UK to be self sustaining agin but they didn’t do anything to do that, so they severed all support lines and THEN tried to get their legs under themselves, while still trying to avoid actually doing anything to provide the support they would need. No one was prepared to actually do the work that Brexit needed so when it came to the finish no one was ready.

@@samuelfawell9159 not true ! Once Britain decided to go it alone. They lost all the benefits of being in the European Union. You can’t refuse to be in the union and then demand all the benefits. The voters were played by using their feelings of entitlement and negative feelings towards others. This same action is being used in the USA by republicans. Fear and hate are powerful allies. The lack of knowledge and the disinformation system work well together. Also humans tend to blame others for their mistakes. Just read all the comments, very rarely do they blame themselves for the state of affairs they voted for.

Enough virtue signalling and ship YOUR industry to CHINA NOW.

Independence from Brussels.

@@Comm0ut Brussels...come on! It's FRANCE. They wanted "independence" from the French speakers.

independent from money, from economic growth, from jobs, from living a decent life. They want independent from all good things. Well they got it.

@@qweqwe9678 ignoring the fact they didnt have many good things left already, their vote is understandable, they were already knee deep in shit, and were desperate, now its up to their neck. which would have happened anyway, brexit has just brought the invitable forward by 20 years or so. Scunthorpe steel works has been on the brink of collapse for 25 years, it was already shitshow before brexit, and ime sure this place was little different.

@@Comm0ut In which way? Most of the laws the European parliament passed (which had British MEPs) were drafted by British lawmakers.

they still can't admit like an adult that it is their fault. They always have to blame someone else. Never their fault. The UK have a problem of adults not growing up and acting like proper adults. Aged children I say.

@@qweqwe9678 Agreed.

Vote leave lied to everyone, we all heard the lies, some of us saw through the lies, sone believed them becauae they confirmed their bigotry thats why i have no sympathy with these people they didnt just destroy themselves they destroyed all of us. Unforgiveable

This is it. This is why I'm so furious.

😂😂😂 well people supported BoJo because he was the only one promising a hard Brexit. Now the Brexiteers are the loudest Remouners. Maybe the harder things get, the less propensity for stupid decisions in the future. No doctors, no nurses, no truck drivers, no fruit pickers, no shop staff, no care home workers, no steel, no coal, no £300m.

Plenty of us here could too. We were ignored.

@@TheWirewitch weren't ignored. Actively dismissed as project fear

A little under half of us in the UK could see it coming too.

@@Me0wish Worse still: mocked as "remoaners" and condescendingly told "you need to believe harder", as if personal conviction can overcome mathematics. Brexiteers neve understood this simple thing: that no matter how hard they believe in their Brexit, people like myself, part of the EU and those in the rest of the world, didn't. They could do quadruple flips, their enthusiasm would be met by a cold, indifferent world which wouldn't be impressed. I mean, ok, I'm European, but did they really expect to get some parade from countries like Brazil or Canada or India? That they'd immediately jump to sign some trade deal heavily favouring the UK? They already have arrangements on their side of the world... it's not like they were waiting for Brexit with baited breath. I think they were legitimately stunned to see the collective "meh" to their Brexit, the world being underwhelmed by the buccaneering UK... btw... did they ever consider that references to piracy and contraband as descriptors of trade policy would not really inspire trust in other people?

Indeed. Sadly, many in at least The Netherlands just voted for a party that wants a so called Nexit. This party became the biggest in most recent elections. Ignorance and thinking with fear and feelings sadly still is widespread and wins from thinking with knowledge, foresight and reality. Even as we see British decline, many Dutch feel it is a great idea to leave the eu

That’s not really true. People voted leave to control the oversupply of cheap labour from the EU.

@@davidpryle3935 Well now they're going to be oversupplied with cheap labour from everywhere else. It's called "free" market capitalism and the Brexit project was all about firming it up.

@@oldishandwoke-ish1181 No, it’s not called free market capitalism. It’s called globalism, and its a very recent invention, and can be reversed, depending on who the people elect. My own opinion is that the nation state with it’s natural own citizen preference is in for a big revival.

@@davidpryle3935 The "free" market IS globalisation, please educate yourself. Brexit was one of its projects. Agree that greater protectionism and promotion of local interests is a good idea, but that will require a change of economic direction...

@@oldishandwoke-ish1181 The European Union is basically a bourgeois liberal project. The working class have never liked it. That’s why trade unions like the RMT campaigned to leave the EU. No true left wing person could ever be in favour of membership of the neoliberal EU. Mick Lynch’s legendary predecessor at the RMT, the late Bob Crowe, used to describe the EU as “a neoliberal capitalist nightmare”, and he was correct. It’s not me, its you, who needs to “educate” yourself, and learn the history of the British left. You can start with Tony Benn.

Have you any sympathy for the people on Teesside ? Of course, their Redcar steelworks closed in 2015, when Britain was a member of the EU.

​@@davidpryle3935All down to government policy.

Is it better now after brexit?😅

However, the slogan was completely true. It is just that the people were mistaken when they thought they were included in the "we" implied in "take back control". Tories always intended the "we" to mean ONLY the Tory politicians themselves and their rich donors. And they have taken back control alright. Until the house of cards collapses...

For sure,you had more control in the E.U. ! 😢

No, you did in fact, take back control. Problem is, now nobody wants to deal with you anymore and everybody's leaving for better shores.

a disingenuous statement as I suspect you realise, trying to support your politically motivated anti Brexit stance. "Take back control? referred to our boarders, laws & customs. And our economic 'controls' would have been significantly improved had the Westminster political classes not tried to prevent, then obstruct & delay rather than impliment the clear democratic decision of the majority of thoses who were eligible to vote which was to leave.. Having said that despite the prediction of Remainers & the likes of the CBI our London Financial Markets which provide 30% of our GDP have held their own & done well in comparison to the Germans & French - sorry about that !

Socialists quoting The Economist? What a joke. What kind of socialist is a fan of the EU?

I see this everywhere. Brits have been condition to punch down. This deflects the blame from those who have been in power and who are responsible for this mess.

😔so true

Learn to read, the comment is 100% about Brexit. What don't you understand? @@JupiterThunder

All those EU 'projects' were funded by UK money as we were a net contributor to the EU

Me too. Lazy voting. Should have been an IQ test before voting

Yep which is why my partner and i want to leave this dump of a country for Australia, we have friends there and she was born there. This country is full of ignorant, dumb, racist, right wing media believing, lazy people. Who just moan about everything but do nothing to help themselves. Like the people who whack on the heating for 10hrs a day but then moan about bills. The people who moan about cost but are happy to get a new phone, get take aways, moan about immigrants took our jobs but they dont want to do the jobs the immigrants are happy to do. Sick of this country. The people who voted for Brexit but then moan about jobs, cost of living, bills, earnings. I just laugh and say this is what you wanted for the next 20 years, thank you for screwing it up for everyone. Give yourself a pat the back! Well done, next time you make a stupid decision choice use your brain, why should we all suffer because of those who are dumb. Web Dev from Brum.

Then a second soldier laughed his words away with "Are you afraid of a wooden horse ? Project fear again ? "

And the third said, its a happy horse!

Well put!

"hold my beer" made me giggle. Thank you sir.

And what have those grants done for the poor child of the UK? Absolutely. NOTHING!

I think you might be over-doing it by saying they read....

@@matthewrice3432lmao trueeeee our Sun equivalent is the bild and we have a similiar joke phrase about readers of that supposed "newspaper"

​@@PuddingXXL 👍👍....If i remember, ours goes something like; Question; "why do Sun readers have black willies?" Answer; "the print comes off on their hands"...😂

Can only assume both outlets just keep passing the blame on past figures for the present and doubling down on even more Xenophobia... AKA the hate classics

It's going to spread, but by then, it will be to late.

EXACTLY

What i found interesting was after the sheep farmers voted to leave they then turned round and still expected to be subsadised by the EU. It's like divorcing your partner but still expecting them to help pay your bills. Thats not how it works. I think because no one in government explained what would happen and all we heard from may was "Brexit means Brexit" wityhout actually explaing what it meant. Reason being they didn't know they just had buzz words and fear tactics. They used people's predejices against them. Fun fact alot of the laws that people moaned about were actually written by England and was adopted by the EU. As well as the fact a lot of the EU "laws" were not actually laws more of suggestions which the government put into law. So yet again blaming the EU for something our own government chose to do.

going green labour want it to

If it would make you feel any better, Port Talbot's steel closure has very little to do with the EU. If anything Being out of the EU, on a commercial point helped Port Talbot.

@@christinepayne5206 They're not labour anymore.

No its not insane, she set the ball rolling, that created a powder keg in working class communities, which exploded in 2016. there were unforeseen consequences, what she did served the country well, for a short period of time but ultimately became self destuctive, because we didnt change course just carried on. Like what was done after the war carried on for too long and became self destructive, Thatcherism has done the same. we transformed our economy into a pyramid scheme. and it worked great, until we couldn't recruit new members so is now collapsing.

@@theant9821🫵🤡👍

It all started with her Free Market Trickle Down illusion and ended in this.

He meant that the policies that are currently taking place are a continuation of her policies, which is objectively true. Privatization of everything, selling out to foreign markets.

@@mihaicraciun8678 Yes…I agree with you on that. Many policies may take years to filter through ….etc.

We all get what they voted for.

@@barking_mad6649 And now they're about to turn to Nigel fucking Farage to finish the job.

​@@ForelliBoyI thought he effed off with his cushy EU pension

I don't either, they was told what would happen but hey project fear...

I was just think8ng the same thing,I'm sorry but you reap what you sow

I agree, I don't like being an 'I Told You So' person but it is ultimately their own fault.

They have lost their jobs because the Tory government are not prepared to have a U.K. which makes its own steel. Sunak orders the RAF to fly from Cyprus to attack Yemen because shipping is being attacked….but the ships are owned by people who registered them in the Marshall Islands or Barbados to avoid paying U.K. tax !!! These ships weren’t even built in the U.K. and the steel for the Royal Navy will come 100% from overseas. People need to wake up and engage their brains.

Indeed. "It's fine but only when other people bear the consequences".

Some still believe it is "the foreigners" that is ruining the economy.

They are not affected by this. It will take a while more.

Willfully blind maybe?

There are a lot of supporters still queuing to get the money to build a cosy estate on a tropical island ....

Once they're down the rabbit hole of lies its nearly impossible to get out. I read in the early stages of covid about a Trump supporter who would still vote for Trump *after* getting covid and recovering from it in hospital. This was at the stage that the orange one denied it was a big deal.

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So why did the Redcar steelworks close in 2015, when Britain was in the EU ?

@@davidpryle3935 Global steel prices dropped causing it to become unsustainable. But the other steelworks were fine.

@@davidpryle3935Kevin, just stop. You’re looking desperate mate

​@@Believe-you-me-no they were dying just at a different rate. It is policy to end all heavy industry l

Blair gave it a lick of paint and new double glazed windows. Cameron ripped the copper out of the walls and sold the mantlepiece.

Yet it’s Labour that run wales can’t make it up

Don't pretend not to understand National vs Devolved government and the role of the DTI - it just make you look like a bigger fool @@terryj50

Who sold all the gold

@@terryj50says someone who apparently has no understanding of the limited powers that the Welsh government has, and the overarching power that Westminster has over all four countries of the uk. The only thing the Welsh executive could do was request a meeting with Sunak to discuss options for avoiding this catastrophe, and Sunak denied the request. The blame for this lies squarely at the feet of the Conservatives and those who misled the UK population leading up to the 2016 referendum.

Maybe if the MILLIONS of European scroungers were deported the NHS would function again and native British people able to find an affordable home and have a good quality of life in their own land.

actually no. Can't smell any sovereignty because Brexit actually took that away also.

The traitors sold off British steel to foreigners

@@russmarkham2197 can you define sovereignty? The traitors don't serve the native population

No but hoping my kids will.

To be honest, people voted not to be an EU member, only... Brexit only related to EU membership. Nothing else. People even voted to ease being an EU member so that we could remain an EEA member - granting us access to the single market. Not everyone who voted leave wanted to impose trade sanctions on themselves. That was a Tory decision. People had various reasons for voting leave. The EEA option was even proposed to us during negotiations, but Theresa May rejected it... The tory government is the issue in this scenario. It was their interpretation and enactment of the vote that placed us in this predicament.

@@rayc9539 very true - like most problems in the UK, it's 100% the tories fault.

Dont profit om things you dont want to be a part of. If you don't want immigrants just fight för it in EU

Exactly!! Who'da thunk it, eh?

⁠@@rayc9539Single market membership would mean continued freedom of movement and given that immigration was the single biggest issue why people voted brexit that was never gonna happen. The majority of brexit voters would’ve seen that as a massive betrayal so it was never gonna happen.

Couldn't agree more.

@@scoates9910 And I bet most of them will vote for them again.

@@a.r.stellmacher8709 I think it might have dawned on them now,

They played to their xenophobic instincts.

Brexit's nothing to do with the Tories. It was a people's vote to decide whether we wanted our parliament to continue subordinated to an EU bureacracy accountable to no one. And on whether we wished to take back sovereignty given away by our MPs to foreign powers treaty by treaty without our consent. Sovereignty that they had no right to give away. Because in a democracy sovereignty belongs to the people. If our politicians give it away in treaties like Lisbon & laws are made & those laws can't be changed. Then this is a theft of public rights. Genuine free trade deals don't expect this. Nor do they expect member country to fling its borders open to all & sundry resulting in massive over supply of unskilled workers, over burdenned housing, schools & wage compression. Nor to give away 80% of fish that swam in its waters. It was the worst deal on the planet because it wasn't a free trade deal, it was insidious political union by stealth. Something the British people never voted for. So anyone with half a brain cell decided it was time to GTF out of it. Remainers are too shallow & poorly informed to understand anything about Brexit.

That what you have just described is the behaviour of a parasite.

Well, y'all stole shit from India for 200 years so Tata owning all your steel production is fair enough.

We have Fossil Fuel Climate Change Green Party bloody targets to thank for the closure of the steelworks. Port Talbot is dead, and they are REFUSING to allow us to turn Margam back into a massive marshalling rail yard and container shipping dock. The powers that be, want this town to die. Those who voted to leave, never wanted to see this happen.

Trump supported Brexit

Facts 💯

Yes trump the wall street guy who was part of the deindustrialization of america now has morons who lost their jobs in deindustrialization voting for him and try to overthrow the government. Brilliant. Proof that not everyone is born equal some people are morons

@@GizmoMaltese Of course! He loved / loves a weaker EU / Europe!

Amen!

Exactly! All you had to do was look at who was supporting brexit: Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Digby Jones, David Davis, Daniel Hannan, Boris Johnson, the Tufton Street crowd, etc. The reasons to stay in the EU were there for anyone who took the time to look.

I'm tired of Brexiteer voters never having to accept responsibility for their folly. Byline and other anti-Brexit outlets feel the need to provide those voters face saving excuses about having been conned. Those voters eagerly and militantly embraced easily demonstrable lies from known liars.

I hear you. I worked in Wales only one year, well before the referendum. I remember that we, EU migrants, were not welcome by many because we took the jobs. Now the irony is that apparently the jobs finish themselves without any Eastern Europeans taking them away. All in all, this is sad because Europe as a whole and NATO in particular would benefit from a strong UK economy.

It was them calling us traitors and I remember seeing their little leaflets about hanging us. They now want us to forgive them for ruining our lives. That's one thing I can't do!

They didn’t vote for this though, they simply wanted to believe the lies. It was easier for the likes of us to see through it, because the internet is part of our day to day lives. We can research, look at both sides of every debate and make an informed decision. If the residents of Port Talbot and places like it, who are middle aged and older, not very well educated, and who get most of their information from the tabloids and don’t know any better, see Boris and Nigel driving round in a bus emblazoned with messages like “we give x amount of millions to the EU, let’s spend it on the NHS instead”, they are obviously going to buy into it. We should blame the liars; blatant, criminal liars - not the victims of their lies.

They refused to realise it

Port Talbot didn't realize the WORLD HAS OWNERS. You can never vote to leave or remain. Your vote in the WORLD OF OWNERS is utterly meaningless. This argument is nothing but a distraction.

In Wales?

Too many. Because feelings don’t care about facts.

All of them. "They like it up 'em Captain Mainwaring, they like it up 'em"

They might well turn to voting for the Reform Party, even more right wing and libertarian, even worse.

Port Talbot has always been a strong Labour seat, and even when its majority was dented in 2019, it was the Brexit Party, rather than the Tories, who benefited (Port Talbot having voted 60% Leave in 2016). Boris's "get Brexit done" Tories barely increased their share of the vote.

Like it there? Move.

​@@strykenine7902 An open minded and productive person from Canadia is always welcome in Europe. However we don't appreciate gaslighting Brexiteers. They don't see the value in collaboration and defend their rhetoric as the truth instead of understanding the reality...

​@@strykenine7902Okay one subscriber 😂🤣

@@larstenfaelt1859 My comment was really reflexive, directed at people who want to 'Move to Europe' as a way to solve problems they perceive in North America but I will try to justify. Relocating won't solve problems. Part of Europe is at war with itself right now, and quite a few countries are hemorrhaging working-age folks to retirement. Also, European security has been backstopped by the United States for almost three generations which allowed nations on the continent to spend money on social issues and less on defense and industry. The US is too self-interested to be relied upon for something as serious as national security at the present time, and perhaps for many years to come. Things are going to change so fast it will make your head spin. Cheers!

@@GManWritesTo be honest I'm surprised I have one, but not as shocked as I was when you replied to me.

In Wales? Not many tories around here

And who did you vote for fool🤔

@@nelch there doesn't need to be, they are in Westminster holding the reins. Wales is not sovereign, or an independant country, you are ruled by foreigners.

They vote Labour in wales not Tory

Not the small minded gullible racists then,

Yes they can. They blame it all on politicians now even though they themselves were the ones who voted for it.

Ach, I hear you do not know these people. It’s a very sad state but some britishers will blame the moon and the stars before they question their own exceptionalism.

The British voters that voted to exit the EU seemed to have thought that they would form valuable trade deals with the USA, Australia and New Zealand. The issue is those countries typically are more engrained in their region than they are likely to lean toward Great Britain. As a USA citizen, I think more about my shared economic ties with Canada and Mexico and more extensively, with Central and South American countries. I consider the UK as part of Europe and don't have any particular fascination toward British people.

@@903lew We say in Ireland the that of decision of hitching your wagon to that Brexit Star, would be akin to ," Playing a Card against yourself." or regarding the E.U. in The Life of Brian, "What did the Romans ever do for us."

The EU is not very democratic, its a mess, but the years after Brexit have indeed shown why we should keep together, Countries like Ukraine see the EU as their only future for independence, soft power is about having a place at the table and the EU is just that. There is however some changes, the Farmers protests across Europe made a dent and shown the weakness of policy making in the EU, because the Comission is the only body capable of initiating legislation, the approved matters are way to far from reality sometimes, the Agricultural rules they were subjected too were ridiculous, and they backed off, this was not the case for most of EU history, but there needs to be some sort of initiative from the EU parliment, if you cant initiate a bill you cant have alternatives(the Comission can keep key powers).

@@pedrorequio5515 a few things, the eu is democratic, a new parliament is elected every four years (and fortunately we are not a democracy like America or GB) and as for the farmers: the rules that the farmers have to adhere to are just as ridiculous as the subsidies that farmers receive. By the way, I am not anti-farmer, and I believe that the European excess capacity that EU farmers produce and is sold on the world market can be used as a tool of power.

😂😂😂😂😂👌

@@robinbreeds9217 trouble is, robin, Brexit sure as hell isn't going to change that, is it?

You really did need to get over it.

Sympathy for the conned, and anger at those who conned them is not enough. We need to look at our country as it really is, and work with that first. Thatcherism was a social experiment as well as an economical one, abd the indictrination has ill-served Wales. They might say it was false hope, but I think they wanted to believe what they were told. They wanted to believe that after their pain under Thatcher that those with power cared. Well, that was naive, and ahistorical. But, we are where we are.

Ignorance in the first-world is always wilful Feel sorry for people who deserve it

@@BigHenFor It only took a little bit of research and objective thinking to see through the con. I have no sympathy for anyone who voted for it. People need to take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming someone else. They made their bed and now they have to lay in it.

no it is not sad it is satisfying😂😂😂...you pay for your mistakes...

Some people actually ... have fun being ... poor I guess 🤣😂🤣😂

Should be implemented globally

Yes. That's the way to go. Of course for every public vote in Switzerland on a topic they have the "Vernehmlassung" beforehand, where an expert commission independent from the government creates a comprehensive document about the consequences of the vote. And one of the indicators I have that make me think that the political system in Switzerland is working, is that I have no clue who is the head of State of Government of Switzerland without looking it up, because they hit the news so few times...

Wow, going to look into moving after I get my degree.

It's basically the same as false advertising, should be given the same reprimands! I wish we could hold them accountable

its not up to us to cancel it because Europe would have to agree and they've had enough of us. the whole thing, every aspect was a fraud but now there is plenty evidence the politicians still won't admit it

You can't really blame him though! When did our media over the last 40 years, praise any of the huge investments made by the EU into Wales, West country, the Midlands! The signs were all there to see! Funded by the EU... But nobody noticed.... Until now!

Cameron was scared of chief grifter Farage and didn’t think a slight majority would vote for leave. I believe it was partly an anti Cameron/austerity vote!

another of them said he didn't know the name of his local MEP and mumbled something about the lack of democracy in the EU.

Yes, because the media pumped his brain with "X costs this, Y costs that", but they never talk about the profits, that the cost is an investment with a return, not throwing money out the window. You see this same rhetoric with welfare, they talk how much it costs, but they never mention the benefit things like universal healthcare bring. A healthy population is a productive population. Unemployment benefits are an investment in people who eventually find jobs and pay taxes, thus bringing in profit for the public purse. But no, all they talk about is costs, never income.

He was always too busy going on and on about people on benefits.

And getting abuse for doing so

they only read tory newspapers

Of course.

That 'steel' in the NL version is Aluminium, not steel.

Not entirely true, 880 jobs, almost 10% are laid off this year to keep profits on €100 million a year and another 2 cokes factories have to close within a few years because of environmental reasons. But as said, it is still a profitable steel factory and furnace. They’re profitable because they diversified a very long time ago (about 40 years ago), from raw steel to stainless steel, metal cladding, band metal for the car industry. India can produce raw steel cheaper than European factories.

For how long though? Wilders?

Tata Steel is by far the biggest emitter of Co2 in the Netherlands, accounting for 8% of the country’s Co2 emissions. Besides Co2, Tata Steel is the country’s top emitter of nitrogen, lead, and mercury. In 2018, Tata Steel was responsible for 88% of local particulate matter emissions in the IJmond region. Although the Dutch government has been aware of the large emissions for which Tata Steel is responsible, in 2016 the company received an environmental permit that allows for even more emissions than it already makes . Hence, the company was not given any incentive to invest in emission-saving technologies. Besides, the Dutch government has been lenient toward the company by charging negligible fines for violations, allowing the company to cheaply use and discharge water, as well as charging extremely low taxes.The Netherlands is dealing with a severe nitrogen crisis, and particularly since the government has decided on radical nitrogen reduction measures that affect farmers across the country, the relative tolerance toward Tata Steel is remarkable.

But it wasn't like it was unanimous, think about how overwhelming the circus around leave was. The propaganda, it was deadening. The stay campaign was all logical, the leave was emotional. Emotions won, they also had the backing of the largest media empire in the world but that's an ongoing issue.

All of the reasoned arguments were quickly dismissed as “Project Fear” by the Leave campaign. Right wing politics has spent decades conditioning people to distrust experts.

All those things happened while we were in the EU or do you suffer from amnesia?

@@brokendrummachine2539 Don't bring reason into the debate, the EU fan boys don't think that way. They can't even admit that a global lockdown help fast-track those job losses, rising bills, food prices, cost of living and high interest rates and add to that the Ukraine side show too. But Muh Brexit!

Leave or Remain. Your vote never mattered in the end.

They are in wales it’s run by Labour not the tories

@@terryj50the UK as a whole is run by the Tories. The powers of the Welsh government are rather limited.

@@neodym5809 it’s the Welsh government that decided on the green policy not the tories

Not learnt a thing

The closing of the steel mill has nothing to do with green policies.@@terryj50

Yep if they need to chance the production line for a new model; they’re out! Not only because of the steel but also the parts !

The car industry is already suffering and it can only get worse. Brexit has torpedoed the JIT (Just In Time) strategy that is the lifeblood of car manufacturing. The UK was warned, but then again people were tired of experts…

@@eekamoose you're right! the Grenadier was supposed to be but in Wales; with a lot of German/Swiss parts.

expecting JLR to bugger off to Slovakia and India shortly

we havent got an auto industry it's all owned by overseas companies and it's only Government grants that keep them here....

Tories blames it on the unions aka Labour...

You do realise they closed the mines because you had been using less and less coal?

​@@GarroLegionofOnethey closed them to smash the unions.

Thank god, who would want future generations of their family having going down a mine shaft as their only option to earn money.

Tories have destroyed Britain. And Labour is a willing partner.

They wanted to believe the lies from brexiteers because it fitted their own xenophobic narrative. Stop whining, wrap a nice Union Jack around your shoulder and be happy that you have your sovereignty back. Instead of feeling sorry for yourselves, what about thinking about other businesses going bust because of your vote to leave.

​@@pauli2169 That Union Flag will be the only warm clothes they can afford

@@AreJayCee But Grease sMogg said that our clothes and shoes etc would be cheaper after Brexit ??? He also said that bringing in all the brexit checks, border checks etc would be an act of national self-harm. But surely that is what taking back control of our borders would entail, checking everything going in and out of the country? If you don't do all the necessary checks then you aren't in control of your borders! Another thing sMogg said was, it could take 50 yrs to recover from Brexit and get back to pre-brexit levels! Is that why the rich like sMogg moved their money and businesses out of the UK and into EU countries (and offshore tax havens, of course). "Oh, what a tangled web they weave, when first they practice to deceive" and that is exactly what we got from Farage, BoJo, Gove & Grease Mogg etc.

Rees Mogg said that the British Fish is now happy . Mission accomplished. 👌👍

@@theworldaccordingto4555 Don't forget that Greasy Mogg secured his EU (Irish) passport after the referendum. So that's nice for him.

LOL oh really. How's unemployment mate @@brokendrummachine2539

You don’t know what you are talking about. Since the referendum on the EU, Britain has had higher GDP growth than Germany, Italy or France.

Some of us had to live through it. The detachment from reality has done so much damage, not just economically but in lots of vital areas. Anti-Vaxers, global warming deniers and all sorts of conspiracy belief are on the rise too. 😢

GDP means nothing. If you pay a man to dig a hole and then pay another man to fill it in. That's GDP. If you put something useful in that hole before you fill it in, that's productivity

@@28pbtkh23 the UK also has had a higher population growth (due to immigration of course) than Germany and France which is what fuels the GDP growths. GDP per capita changes is what matters.

What does this have to do with climate change targets?? Gordon Brown sold off the industry while we were IN THE EU.

Just Wales ?

They could also point out all the businesses/buildings/educational interventions etc. that would not have existed without EU funding. There are plaques all over Wales (and the rest of the UK) showing how this funding was put to use.

@@Angela-en6ohnot eu funding it was uk money given back to the uk.

@@terryj50 good luck finding that "UK money" now that Westminster took back control over it

@@Ooze-cl5tx uk money been great I was in Japan in the summer the pound has not been this high since 2015 last time I looked the uk was in the eu then lol

The non dom tax avoiding owned media that wanted the tax havens to be a conduit for their mates and their own money where our government can't/ won't get their hands on it for our nhs and social services etc? That media?

Hear hear 👏

That's the BBC damned then My dad told the BBC licencing authority two years ago that he would not be renewing his licence - because the BBC was a puppet of the Conservative party. Which is what they clearly are.

Nah nothing will happen to them. No matter what happens to the general public, the politicians will be okay. 🤷🤷🤷

Agree. In the past when you impoverished your own state to line your own pocket the charge would be Treason. We don't need a king for that.

Why? Russia's deindustrialization makes what anyone else is going through (or has gone through) look like nothing.

What about levelling up😮😮

Part of it... But for decades, the establishment used EU as a punching bag. Media played along.

The world is dying, mate. It ain't pride, its SLOTH.

@@robinbreeds9217 That’s got nothing to do with Europe. Factory jobs go to cheaper manufacturing countries. It happens all over the world.

No one else was providing any hope, even though it was lies.

Yeah, the options were more of the same managed decline or chaos. You can potentially do something under chaos.

@@Oldmanpeace Did Farage provide hope,he made plenty out of the EU! Rees-Mogg doesn’t like the EU but has an office in Dublin and no doubt an EU passport, we know it was the EU law coming in about off-shoring money. These people don’t want to pay tax they only want the PAYE workers to pay.

@@nelch nope, we had the choice for sensible govenment with labour with corbyn. they chose boris lies, with brexit they chose racism, fuck em

I can. It's cos they're friggin stoopid

In the end, we should feel sorry for them, masses being misled all the time, everywhere. Most folks have short memories and are easily herded.

@@VonFreklstein yes F that. Nature is cruel. You put your foot in quicksand you go under. You don’t get saved because of divine intervention or because you’re a decent fella. You go under because of the simple law of causality: cause and effect. Feeling bad or good is irrelevant. I do feel angry that they dragged other reluctant bystanders down under the sand with them… even as we were telling them that was what was going to happen.