Best scene hands down 😂 I love Eloise's offended "apparently it's not even a requirement", like its not about curiosity anymore, girl wants to know why all y'all been lyin to her
I can just imagine poor Eloise constantly looking over her shoulder and peeking behind doors before she enters, terrified that pregnancy could strike at a moment’s notice. 😂
I can vaguely recall a similar conversation involving Penelope Featherington asking about it and the response is a sarcastic "Cake"........... and she then looks in horror at the slice of cake she's eating.
The sad thing is there are reports of fundies praying to not get pregnant and being terrified of it happening, because they haven't been taught how one gets pregnant
It's funny because in the books, by the time it's her time to get married, she semed more knowledgeable about it than poor Daphne. Then again, Eloise and Francesca bribed the maids for details.
This fact is so sad. Can you imagine the fear of the poor women on their wedding nights? Especially as many men in those days simply didn't care about their pleasure.
@@georgiebennett3336 it's in book 3, an offer from a gentleman. the two men are fencing where benedict starts taking out his frustrations in the sword-play and colin talks to him when then benedict comes to realize that "love shall conquer all". it's a subtle play on the routine the two brothers have. like a bonding activity for the two of them.
In those days sports like fencing were a respectable means of working out for gentlemen. Hence how in shape they are despite the food that is almost always laid out.
Well in the book, it was said that she and Franchesca would bribe one of the maids to tell them what happens during the wedding night I think some time after Daphne's wedding
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 how is it for her sisters in the book?? I know there's consent problems in Benedict's and Eloise's books but I don't know about the rest.
The actress who plays Eloise says her character is “a virgin who can’t drive”. In those days boys probably found out about sex really early and the girls had no clue until the wedding night.
I think during that time, mothers would tell their daughters what to expect and stuff the night before the wedding, like Violet did for Daphne. It's still quite sad though how clueless they can be, one of the scenes in the book is daphne pointing at Simon's semen and asking what it was
Basically, yes. Because of the intense sense of propriety (and desire to avoid bastards), the sons would likely be told about sex by their father or another male relative quite young. But the mother would be expected to explain to the girls, and it was quite common for them to be too uncomfortable to do so. As is the case here with Lady Violet.
I loved the real family energy of this scene. And that Violet is like totally entitled to be more frazzled than she is (especially because while we saw most of the staff, I never saw a nanny or governess....)
They did have a governess, well at least Hyacinth and Gregory. Hyacinth mentioned it in the movie, but she never had any appearance at all. But I think Violet is still pretty much a hands-on mother to them, and "the talk" is indeed a very rare topic among families, even today which made the family's relationship more relatable and realistic.
As hilarious as this was, its kinda sad that a nearly "grown" woman (Eloise is 17 y'all) doesn't know how children are made, and she's meant to be "debuting" next season and potentially getting married or something. Like why tf did they want their daughter's so stupid. Don't they think it's better if they knew? So that way they wouldn't accidentally "compromise themselves" as they're all so afraid of the girls doing?
The common belief was that if girls knew, they would be as Mischievous as the men. So to prevent it they didn’t really give them the talk until the week of their wedding. This scenario is exaggerated because most women would find out prior to this anyway via book/farm/or friends
@Ashanty Ortega That's true. There's people who really go around thinking that girl's can't get pregnant the first time they have sex, or that pulling out is fool proof 🙄. Still better than people from before who thought that simply having physical contact with the opposite sex will get them knocked up 🙃
This was actually true in history. Women in higher class (and even in some middle/lower class) had no idea until AFTER marriage because society wanted them to be “pure and innocent” while men were allowed to have sex and even r*pe with barely any consequences. And that is what we call the ✨patriarchy✨ which affects us to this day
This entire scene is just too funny. From Eloise's "How does a lady come to be with a child?" to Colin's "We were just heading off to take our sticks out" 🤣🤣🤣
What i never got is why they wouldn't tell them? A young lady being pregnant was basically a social death sentence for everyone involved, you'd think they'd tell them exactly how it happens so they could avoid it at all costs.
Before book was given to unmarried girl, it had to go through the mother and her inspection of the book. Girls were not supposed to send or recieve letters if they didn't go through the mother first...
Ikr, Colin became so serious after his heartbreak with Marina, it's such a loss to see him this mature and melancholic like hes grown to his thirties already.
The part where she says, "Apparently it's not even a requirement!" sold it for me!🤣🤣🤣 She didn't just innocently ask either, she rolled up in that place like she was on a mission to find out
Unfortunately women back then were often left completely in the dark on such topics until their wedding nights. Some believed that educating women on this was indeed improper and others felt that it would soil their innocence and purity. It was also just deemed unnecessary. Women weren’t supposed to be having sex unless they were married and having children so they didn’t NEED to know. Of course that is incredibly ignorant and I’m sure led to many scandalous affairs that were not properly documented. Of course this ignorance usually only remained for upper class and sheltered women. Poor and lower class women were often exposed to the “sins of the world” long before they probably should have been unfortunately at this time.
The mother takes a L for this. Later on, Daphne was so angry (and rightfully so) with her mother for not preparing her for the realities of marriage and basic reproductive health
The fact that it’s 1813 and the siblings behave like they do now, they’re not even like formal or anything, 🤣🤣🤣 Also Eloise is an ✨ICON✨ she’s literally my spirit animal ngl
Actually, this bit is historically inaccurate. Young girls were taught the basics of the birds and the bees, but usually not until they started their periods. Usually it is explained by either their mothers, nannies or their adult female relatives like an aunt. If a mother fails to do that, it was considered shameful as she failed in her role as a mother. That said, they did keep the info on the down low so as to not encourage girls to become promiscuous. I would assume they didn't want to talk about it at this particular point because two kids were in the room. And for the boys, it's understandable they didn't feel comfortable talking about it since that was their mothers job.
i grew up in a very conservative catholic home, so i was rather clueless about sex until i googled at around 17/18. If i didnt have access to the internet my parents and my catholic school would have kept me in the dark
@@ajvanmarle i know, i live in a religious islamic country and we dont have the "sex education" class as well. But they teach us "where babies come from", menstruation etc. in middle school during the science classes so i was like "they teach us even in my country how others don't?" when i saw this comment lol
@@ripflapjack8419 Part of the problem is that in the USA it's gotten mixed up with the whole contraception debate. Now the more conservative schools are against any form of sex-ed, because they want to preach abstinence-only.
While we would have all certainly liked to see Benedict and Colin "take their sticks out", I think that it would have required moving the show from Netflix to HBO.
And that like 5 seconds was the closest we got to book Colin. I miss the shit disturbing Colin from the books, he was hilarious and 90% of the entertainment.
I know right! Things we knew by the ages of 11 and 12 and if your parents are really prudish 13 or 14 is girls had no idea about and they were full grown
Although this is highly entertaining thank God we've moved on and girls and their family's honour is not tied to being clueless about sex, being a vrigin and never being with a man un chaperoned!
So why do the boys get the sex talk and not the girls? I mean, Daphne is supposed to be 21 for Pete's sake, and she has no idea how babies are made either!
The boys don’t. At that time they would all go to boarding school then college and become familiar with the act through barmaids and later w****s. No one talked about it in ‘polite society’. If women found out it was through their maids or others of lower class. Higher class ladies were the most clueless of all.
For Daphne it was like this no wedding ring, you are not supposed to know. After getting wedding ring, you know but do not dare to tell to your unmarried sisters.
In the books it is mentioned that Eloise and Francesca pooled their allowances and paid a maid. And according to Francesca who was married and widowed before Eloise, the maid's description was very accurate.
It's a funny scene until you realize that Daphne is just as ignorant as Eloise and also had no idea you could get pregnant without being married. This is some great foreshadowing for what she goes through. It's also a good way to show how their mothers are failing them by actively ensuring that ignorance.
Well yes there is no harm in not knowing, but there is harm in hooking up after two seconds like in today's world. And no, people were not clueless about intimacy in that time, just read Queen Victoria's diary and what she wrote about Prince Albert
@@НиколайРоманов-л6ю "No harm in not knowing"?? That may be one of the most ignorant things quoted on the Internet. How the 🤬 do you think there isn't harm in not knowing?? I live in the US. There is a vast difference in the areas that have comprehensive sex education and the areas that "teach" abstinence only. Guess which area has MORE pregnancies and STI's?? Hint: It isn't the areas that teach comprehensive sex education. How the 🤬 are you supposed to protect yourself from a thing if you have no understanding of it?? The ONLY reason to keep anyone, but especially women, in the dark about sex is control. That's it. We are going through this foolishness right now in my country. And I sincerely doubt you'd be okay with this crap if you were the one getting your rights stripped away and knowledge being forbidden to you. In this day and age of information, I find you to be disgustingly offensive in such backwards thinking. If you want to wallow in ignorance and stupidity, that's your mistake. But do not get it through your empty skull that such 🤬 isn't harmful to people. It is.
This is hilarious but also sad that Violet didn’t prepare her daughters about the marriage bed. She failed at that as a mother. Daphne could’ve had less heartache if she knew what the Duke was doing.
Well if you think about it’s not really Violet’s fault either. She was probably raised like that too since back then women knew nothing about marriage consummation. The only way you learn is if you are lucky enough to have a very loving governess or a mother who isn’t too afraid and awkward to tell you.
@@garlantyrell6368 Yep. My mother didn't know and neither did my grandmother until after the fact. Imagine being raised so strictly that you don't know the basics.
This whole sequence of events surprised me in a sad way. I’ve read other types of regency-Victorian age books and the girls in them were never _that_ clueless. I’m not that deep into the history of society and sex ed but these girls know how to read and even with all “unwholesome” books out of reach the Bible is quite explicit about sex in certain chapters. And in general just girls talk and/over hear things. The only way this makes sense to me is if none of these “proper” ladies/girls ever got a chance to befriend more “common” girls who generally being more active in their household and exposed to other males outside their homes would know and talk about it. Terrifying as the the thought of unprotected unmarried sex in the 1800s is people were still doing it.
I find it hard to believe women were THAT sheltered and clueless back in the day, it would be hard to go an entire life not catching even animals in nature doing the deed.
Trust me, they did have a certain degree of knowledge regarding the birds and the bees. But explicit details, like pleasure areas, were withheld until the girl got officially engaged. I think the only reason the mom refused to answer was because two little kids were in the room
Eloise is hands down THE best character after Daphne & Simon… 4th place Lady Danbury cause she’s hilarious 😂 Anyways Eloise’s funny 😂 Love how she’s all indignant and offended like “why didn’t anybody tell me… seriously it’s ALL a lie… marriage is a COMPLETE sham”
lol eloise's face when her mother yells at collin for the phrase "take our sticks out" she is so confused HAHAHAHAHHA, she's like "sticks?? what do sticks have to do with anything??"
I'll admit it, Benedict, Elosie, and Colin are my favorite trio of siblings. When these three do interviews together they're just as funny. It's almost as if they're siblings in real life as well, probably why it's so easy for them to bring that sibling chemistry to the screen.
I think they were better educated than this. Mary Crawford, a young unmarried woman in a Jane Austen novel, makes jokes about sex. In the regency era they were much less prudish than Victorians.
It still amazes me that in these times, they thought that the best way to avoid young ladies to accidentally lose their virginity or to get pregnant out of wedlock was to make sure that they knew NOTHING of how to avoid these 😓 Like « hey, how to make sure a kid doesn’t get hit by a car ? I know : let’s make sure he knows nothing about crossing a road ! »
First off, the two hardly compare. Teaching kids not to cross the street without looking is called common sense. And second off, contrary to popular belief, girls were never that ignorant about sex at age 17 back then. Girls were never given the talk about their own bodies until after they had their first period. To which after that their mothers or older woman figure would explain how their bodies worked. As for actual sex: they were informed about the birds and the bees but it was kept to a minimum because yes they wanted the girls to remain pure. Overall giving them the basic description of sex but never got explicit. But after they get engaged is when their female adult figures would go in detail in what to expect so the woman wouldn't be completely ignorant on the wedding night. If Eloise has no knowledge about this stuff at 17, not even a hint of it, then the mother failed in her duties.
Saddest part is that sex Is still a taboo topic. Eloise was just curious and her mother refused to explain her. Later Daphne had to learn from a maid something her mother should have explained her.
