President Obama told them the obvious truth, "Back Of The Que" if you choose to leave the EU. Oh they hated hearing that, & from a Black Man from the Democrat Left- when all Brexit supporters were generally far Right cheerleaders. Anti-Foreign, Anti-Migration, Anti-Black. Case in point: Meghan Markle. A Society riddled with skank. The EU missed a bullet to hang on to these freeloaders. They are now free of the racist, entitled Empire wannabes.
As a British citizen who hsas emigrated to the EU pre Brexit , I too wanted Brexit to happen , I left the UK because of the racism and Xenophobia I faced there , I am happy watching the UK destroy itself because of its xenophobia
Britain has actually done the EU a favour. Up until Brexit, how many political parties were wanting to break up the EU? Marine Le Pen in France wanted Frexit, Geert Wilders in the Netherlands was agitating for Nexit, the AfD in Germany was the same, the Swedes were heading that way, along with Orban in Hungary and Denmark, the Five Star Movement in Italy etc etc. None of them want this now as they look at the damage caused by Brexit. So when you joyously celebrate our departure, perhaps you should be a little more gracious in ‘victory’. But also remember that there were 16 million who didn’t vote for this and who believed in a European future - and still do. Also remember that Russia played a role in agitating for our departure, as did right-wing US Republicans - it was a flawed referendum. And whilst you say “goodbye and good riddance”, we have a saying in the UK “hold your friends close, but your enemies closer”. Do you really want a hard right Russian-like country on your doorstep funding and agitating for the EU’s disintegration? Think on…
The gratuitously insulting, hectoring behaviour of Farage, Widdecombe and the rest of the ragtag leave brigade as they exited the European Parliament will long stay in the memory. They demonstrated that the football hooligan mentality affects all levels of British society. Their disgraceful antics will have consequences in due course, maybe after the more (im)mature of the gang like that harridan Widdecombe have expired.
it is very telling that Brexit has massively reduced Euroscepticism from other EU countries as they've been able to watch what happens when you do walk away
That's very right, the EU behaves even worse then when you are a member, it's called bullying. The UK should cancel all agreements with the EU, withdraw their ambassador and say to the member states they will have nothing to do with the Brussels sh#tsh#w.
@@whitevanman8703 Bullying? Would you fuck off with that shite. The UK had more concessions and vetos and any other country in the EU. You had the ultimate sweetheart deal and you STILL talk about your neighbours as if we were picking on you. The only pushback you’ve received since Brexit is when you’re government has demanded things from the EU that are typically only granted to members, and when you get told ‘no’ you cry about how the Bad EU is being vindictive. Such a pathetic show of victimhood….!
@@whitevanman8703 You just have failed. Iceland can handle being outside the EU but a major power like the UK is unable too solve it... Off course it is doable.
Meantime we have our own problems in the EU we accepted the British want lo live in their splendid isolation in fact they always did. Good luck to you all.
How is it going? All happy now with their choice? Mr. Farage taking responsibility and standing for PM, satisfied with the UK and its people? The UK on its way to economic success, people getting richer, paying less for groceries? All able to pay their bills? Businesses blooming? Lots of tomatoes and peppers and cucumbers in the supermarkets ? People travelling abroad without delays and difficulties? Good. As I was told, even the fish are happier. Remarkable. Remarkable. You left the Club. You cant come back. Everyone must be delighted. You got, what you wanted. You knew, what you were voting for. I am convinced, no one will complain.
Budget airlines flights to Europe at record levels ! Germany in recession. Youth unemployment in France is higher than in Britain ! So yeah.....thanks for asking ... We're still waiting for the mass unemployment and the massive food shortages you keep predicting ? When will they happen..? Thanx !
@@2msvalkyrie529we happy for you all, I hope your sentiment of how excellent it’s going is representative of the majority of your countrymen and women 🙃
17:10 The "Global Britain" thing doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny. Nothing was preventing the UK from trading with the rest of the world while it was a member of the EU. In fact, as a member, it benefited from trade agreements with the rest of the world, negotiated by the EU on behalf of all its members, and backed by the weight of an economy of over 500 million people. Having left the EU, Britain has had to renegotiate these deals, and as a medium-sized country, it simply lacks the negotiating power that the EU has, resulting in deals where it has had to make concessions compared to the ones it enjoyed earlier. The result: the UK has thrown up trade barriers with the economic superpower next door, and worsened its trade terms with the rest of the world. This has caused it to lag behind the rest of the rich world in growth, and to suffer from a permanent 5% loss of GDP. Utter genius.
Why ever " permanent"..... Britain was and now is .....a rich enough nation .....to suffer the shor to medium term forecast financial penalty for Leaving the EU Project . Don't conveniently forgets that Britain never voted to join the EU ....but drifted into the EU Project . A Political Association that Britain... having never been invaded or taken over ....would likely see as mainland Europeans do ...... A simple fact . The EU Project has been the cause of the Ukraine Crisis. So their raisen de etr of the EU Project has failed .
@@malthusXIII-fo3ep Wrong twice! The UK people voted to join the EU, after the sort of cock-up you would expect from a country in the undeveloped world that has no written constitution. The EU's share of global trade is only declining - relatively - because the rest of the world is getting bigger - relatively.
@@jonb5493 No, it was buffoon John Major who signed UK up to the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 WITHOUT A PUBLIC VOTE. This converted a free trade agreement into political and federal union with Europe, a seismic change....we never voted for this in 1975, that vote was a confirmatory vote to endorse Liar Heath's Parliamentary chicanery in 1971/2 to enter the EEC....UK did not vote to join the EEC....it was railroaded through Parliament. Liar Heath knew he would lose catastrophically had there been a public vote. Read some history. Nice to educate you Jon.
About rejoining: you cant rejoin on your own will. Its not possible. You can make a new application for membership, that will take years or decades. You wont be allowed back in easily.
apparently the UK cannot join the current EU. if it becomes a multi-speed Europe then the UK may be allowed to join together with Turkey and Ukraine. It may be the so called European Political Community
@@budapestkeletistationvoices the European political community is not EU. It is EFTA light. Very light. For countries like Serbia, turkey and uk. Ukraine will of course be a full member.
Majority DON'T want back in. Apart from whining Remainers in their little echo chamber .Who wants to join an undemocratic protectionist economic cartel ?? Apart from basket cases like Ukraine ??
@@2msvalkyrie529 Recessions come and go. Nothing goes up forever in international economy. If you've enjoyed 20 years of cumulative progress, is it impossible to accept a period of decline? It may even be healthy as the national economy adjusts to outside factors (worldwide economic decline, covid, inflation etc.) I don't see Germany going bankrupt anytime soon, neither do I believe, that 11% of German grown-ups live in a condition where they experience outright hunger every month (as is the scenario in UK now) Germany is a heavily export-dependent economy, and is therefore "vulnerable" in relative terms to international conditions - it is easy to have a worse (recession) year than yesteryear due to many outside factors. UK however suffers from decades of mismanagement. I don't see Germany's problems as systemic... the UK, however, is an entirely other story.
I too, used to think it was stupid of the UK for cutting itself off from the worlds largest marketplace of nearly 500 million wealthy customers, all of whome are just one days truckride away from Britains farms and factories, and isolating our Erasmus university program students from those of 27 other diverse, rich cultures, languages and ideas, and discarding all the European protections, standards benefits and opportunites to work, retire, mary and live anywhere in a beautiful continent with skiing, swimming and sunning at will. But now I discovered that we are free to have the 1950 style crown printed onto our beer glasses again, it all seems to make so much more sense.
@@richardvelthuis8001 Indeed. It made me foam at the mouth every time Boris the spider proudly mentioned at the dispatch box during PMQ's "how we can now have our glorious blue passports back" and even worse that the opposition were terrified of calling him out for fear of backlash from the Daily Mail
Just for info, the Irish Government has offered to cover the cost of Erasmus students in Northern Ireland, they are also covering the cost of health treatment in EU countries for citizens of Northern Ireland. Seems Dublin cares more about NI citizens than London. What a surprise
@@eoinj3929 I was just thinking this and I am delighted the Irish people and the Irish government decided to help continue and allow Northern Irish students the ability to avail and partake in the Erasmus programme. I would have felt bad for Northern Ireland students that identify as only British and thus only those that identify as Irish would be eligible, would have been unfair and would not have helped with promoting friendships, relationships and bonds. I think the Irish government also made sure that those born in Northern Ireland are still considered EU citizens.
Brexit has shown Britain how quickly a country can implode when it chooses to isolate itself from the international economic coalition. British exceptionalism is a myth.
Except we haven’t though, we’ve seen that we aren’t in recession. I’ve never been busier at work, with work booked in for next year, I’ve increased my prices and have never had as much money as I’ve had now. Everyone in the trades that I know has said the same, they’ve never been busier. Of course I can only speak for myself, and my fellow tradesmen. There’s a disconnect here, European citizens seem to think we’re doing terrible, and this British person is saying that’s not the case. Isn’t Germany in a recession? A quick google says yes. Why do you think the European Union is promoting this disaster that isn’t happening? The world had a covid hangover and is now recovering, what did everyone think would happen if you take a year off, there wouldn’t be a slight slowing of the worlds economy. That’s the worlds economy, not just Britain. America went into a slow down was that brexit? South American economies slowed, brexit again?
@@stiofain88 I just googled 'unemployment percentage uk' and the first one from the ONS(office for national statistics) gives the correct figure, if you believe anything a politician says then that could be a issue.
Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster for our country, we are poorer and have a lot less influence on the world stage. I rue the day Cameron appeased the swivel-eyed loons and called the referendum.
Agreed. Everyone points the fingers at Bojo and his bunch of clowns but Cameron was the instigator. He only called the referendum to calm the swivel eyed loons and stop the Tory party imploding. Didn't pan out how he wanted so ran off into the arms of a lobbying company for a massive pay check, total hypocrite and one of the biggest cowards ever to be PM.
Nobody will let the U.K. back in any time soon. Before there is a broad consensus in the U.K. and that being based on becoming a normal member (actually formally normal, informal as one with a few things to prove, so not one above as in the past, with all kinds of privileges, but one who needs to build confidence from ground up) nobody will touch the U.K. with a long stick. The U.K. was trouble for the E.U. ever from joining, always demanding to get a special preferential treatment -- because being Britain. The E.U. has enough members who are questioning all kinds of necessary things union already. Won't invite another. There are solutions to get access to different treaty frameworks by agreeing to rules. But the U.K. will not be allowed to temper with the rules as a member again any time soon. But we are thankful for the demonstration of what nationalism does to you. The E.U. is stronger now. Sadly people seem to need a reminder every generation, both about what nationalism does to you in general, and about how it is always a vehicle by the rich to rob society blind -- well, and the racists harming everyone, including themselves, just being stupid all over the board.
52 -% vs 48+ ~ around half UK citizens is EU supporter...Why we won't help to join us again ? If i'm doing bad instead my brother does good, pls don't punish our mother.
@@danielcreveuil Because UK made too many enemies with their insults and lies if UK would want to join EU, they will never get the same benefits they use to have, why would UK join the EU under worst circumstances? if make no sense, it would means brexit was a fail and no politician that is alive right now would want to go in history with that on his name
@@danielcreveuil So the 48% should be convincing the non supporters, if they can! Where is that big pro EU campaign from all these people? Why on earth should the EU be the one to help the present Britain rejoin? What kind of entitlement thinking is this? The change needs to come from within Britain. Remember the EU has brexited too. Without getting a vote on the matter. But third country means third country. If radical change has happened within Britain, and can be seen by the EU from the outside too, then the EU would help Britain join again. Have you seen such a change? The Greek PM hasn't, when he was disinvited at short notice. Have the British press changed their anti EU stance? Again no. Has anybody apologised for calling in question, whether Macron is a friend or a foe? Didn't think so.
A disappointment?..not really. The UK already has a very favourable trading relationship with the US, which is one of the very few major economies where Britain enjoys a substantial trade surplus. It is by no means clear that this would persist in the event of an FTA, the terms of which would be almost bound to favour the larger economy. The USA is the biggest investor in the UK and the UK is one of largest investors in the USA. Certainly it will delight die hard Remoaniacs, who are already yelling “told you so”. But though it would have been nice to have had a bilateral trade deal with the US, it’s actually not that important, and might even be thought of as a positive development. Now the UK has it's CPTPP veto, let's hope they use it wisely when the USA reapplies and the declining EU applies.
@ComeOnYouFoxes Brexit was a disaster? really?..tell that to the democratic majority of the UK who voted for sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites. Leaving was about self governance, empowering the UK to make its own decisions. It does not set in stone what those decisions must be, it's back in the hands of the UK public and not in the hands of or shackled to Brussels.
@@jasonkingshott2971 "Now the UK has it's CPTPP veto, let's hope they use it wisely when the USA reapplies and the declining EU applies." How f*****g delusional do you have to be to believe Britain could ignite and win a simultaneous trade war with the US and EU because that is exactly what would happen if the UK vetoed their membership plans. You would end up in the dark ages.
I lived in Manchester and I love the UK. It’s a shame Britain left the EU! It would be better if they remained… look at the poverty rate in the uk… it didn’t happen to other countries in the EU that have been trough covid too
@@whitevanman8703 are you confusing a right to vote with Democracy? In 2019, 70% of the votes cast did not influence the result. Extremists are keen to get a mandate via referenda because they know they can manipulate the gullible. "Will of the people " 🤣🤣🤣
TOTALLY UNTRUE that the EU “does not take seriously the interests of its members”. Take the case of Ireland, a member state which has been profoundly supported by the EU since the Brexit vote. Not by any means the only example.
The EU is actually there to take care of the interests of its members. But tbh, do we expect any english channel to report about the EU as it actually is? So far I've only come across @bigmajstudios409 who 99% of the time reports about the EU without the usual english bias.
The Irish were absolutely screwed by the EU over the financial crisis. The EU decided that the ordinary Irish tax payer would repay the German banks all the money they had so unwisely and negligently lent to Irish banks and speculators. The whole reason for the Celtic Tiger bubble was that the ECB set interest rates far too low for Ireland because Germany was more important. Where I come from it takes two fools to make a bad debt, the one who lends it and the one that borrows it. The German banks should have had a 50% haircut but the EU decided that the ordinary Irish taxpayer payer who took no part in the excess should repay 100% to the German banks because after all the Germans are perfect aren't they?
Hopefully now that they are in the third Carolean era, Britain can get over the lost of empire and make itself the productive middle power it should be...but I fear the country has to fall further until that will happen.
Brexit has been a blessing in disguise for the unity within the EU. The EU has never been more united. In no EU country there is any discussion anymore about (also) leaving the EU, having experienced the total mess it has caused in the UK. And BTW, the EU would be very reluctant if not harshly opposed to any rejoining requests from the UK, I’m sure. The UK has always been a pain in the ass during it’s membership. Always complaining, always negotiating opt outs for itself, always nagging about it’s contribution. I say, good riddance.
@@malthusXIII-fo3ep Some brass neck associating Russia with EU when Russia had such a large hand in bringing Brexit about and putting their lapdog Trump in the White House across the pond. Just what was wanted for Russia to start taking back ex-USSR nations. Divide and rule. Britain played straight into his plans. Well done!
I’d say that as the sands of time continue to roll on the UK will do as it’s always done and prosper again. Let’s not forget where the Industrial Revolution started. The UK will prevail in the end and at that point it won’t be you saying good riddance!
I really lose patience with the arrogant English attitude to Britain's role in World War II. They act as if they couldn't have been defeated by the Germans. Let's be honest here. If not for the Channel, if there'd been so much as a five-mile-wide connection between Britain and the rest of Europe, the Panzers would have been in Aberdeen by September, 1940. And as for this "stood alone" stuff, yeah, tell it to my grandfather, a Canadian soldier who was there most of a year before Pearl Harbor even brought the States into the war, even while U-boats were attacking our shipping in the St. Lawrence River. Britain stood _closer,_ yes. But it NEVER stood _alone._
that`s nonsense! When people say Britain stood alone the Commonwealth was always included in that dynamic - sadly, by joining the EU, the UK lost sight of the Commonwealth - which must hurt now!
@@clarissagafoor5222 Britain then and now claims they stood alone, not stood alone with the commonwealth. Neither were Russia, USA, Czech Republic, Poland, the French resistance and so many others ever in the commonwealth. I think this notion of standing alone and ignoring the bigger role that other's played in defeating Hitler is very arrogant and plain wrong. Britain could to itself a massive favour by learning to accept the truth in this matter, as in so many other situations. National pride is good, nationally approved lies and belittling others, not so much.
WWWII. The Soviets did most of the real fighting and dying. The US and UK spend most of their energy bombing civilians in Germany. Landing in Normand y whilst the Germans were flat out stemming the tide in the east was a contribution in the dying moths of the war. The out come of the war was a dying dictatorship being replaced by an even more powerful dictatorship that stretched from the pacific to the west of the river Elbe in Germany. Thereafter a mad scramble to convince the western occupied part of Germany to become an ally against the new world power. A tragedy masquerading a a comedy.
@clarissagafoor5222 The Commonwealth of today ?Those that were populated mainly by British immigrants have nowadays large parts of their population that have no British ancestry and thus no particular bond with Britain. They are citizens and voters and they vote for what is good for their economic well being and not about old colonial ties. For those in the deep south the billions of consumer in Asia , particularly South East Asia beckons. A market that is close by.
Don't worry so much. The pro E U SNP are about to get booted out by voters . Does that not tell you something ???? Use both of your brain cells OR do some fact checking before commenting next time .. That way you won't come across as a complete idiot ?
The empire is long gone. Does anyone really believe, the UK can go back to the old glorious time of colonisation and ruling half of the world? Even the commonwealth would deny that. They are independent countries now.
Brits aren't talking about empire, we never did but we saw the corruption of a remote foreign power, the EU governing our lives and saw no point to it. So glad we're out, not missing EU shambles whatsoever.
Cameron should never have promised this referendum. The Tories have a lot to answer for and they will have plenty of time to reflect as they languish in opposition. Their governance has been shambolic by anyone’s reckoning. My fear is that Labour will be just as shambolic!
I did feel conned when we joined a free trade group and then found ourselves in the eu being controlled by the eu And when we complained to our mp. They always said THAT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH US THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE EU NOW THEY HAVE TO EXCEPT THE BUCK STOPS WITH THEM 😂
As an economist, now retired, that specialised in international economics, trade and finance, I find it hard to believe that Patrick Milford is an economist. He just babbles unadulterated nonsense. I can only assume his centre for policy advice is a hired shill.
The problem is that uks population never understood that it lost ww2 and was the biggest looser. Now it will be the looser of the Ukraine war together with russia. This will affect uk for much more than thirty years.
What the hell are you rambling on about? UK lose Ukraine war along with Russia? That statement makes zero sense as UK is helping Ukraine against Russia. And as for WW2 I think you'll find at one point Britain stood alone against the Nazi's and did indeed win.
@@russellmathews3599 Nope! It's actually true. WW2 ended 400 years of colonialism and the British Empire lost the most. The post-war rise of the former axis powers to trade powers didn't came from nothing.
The price paid by working and middle class ppl to protect the London Money Laundromat is steep. It's going to get worse, IMO in the years to come. I was dismayed when Britain voted to leave. But, the cohesion in the remaining EU members is a function of witnessing the disaster unfolding in the UK..
Yeah, I tried to tell a Brexiteer back then. He told me, I must be a stupid leftwing. The way UK has made such a mess of it has silenced the movement elsewhere.
Well it was clear from the beginning when Mrs Thatcher applied to join the EU that she was only interested in free trade but not in joining a union. Who was the head of France at the time? Was it Monsieur Mitterand? He was very well aware of the situation and Herr Kohl was too but he thought the UK will change it's attitude over time. Surprise surprise the UK did not. They should have never joined the EU in the 1st place.
@@hughtube5154 yes indeed. It was not only that she hated unions, it was especially remarkable that she actively got involved into the mining protests. On the one hand she and her special friend Ronny always claimed that the government can't intercept in economic questions because free market and sh*t on the other hand she let the coal miners beat down by police and Ronny fired these air observation guys ( no clue what the correct term is) and replaced them by soldiers. Hypocrisy at it's best or hypocrisy Libertarian style, however we want to call it.
The UK's so called special relationship with the U.S is one of security and defence. USA offers the UK absolutely zero trade concessions and made it clear that any future trade agreement would be one sided in their favour, but for now they are more interested in the EU. The USA would take the UK markets in most major commodity foods from UK farmers and they would take NHS purchasing ( and other parts of NHS ) to push up drug costs between 3 times and 10 times.
Exactly the US has never been a friend to the U.K. They only entered WW2 because of Pearl Harbour. If thing’s don’t affect them, they don’t care & they’re only about their own economic interests. The only reason Trump supported Brexit is because he was expecting the privatisation of the NHS & sell off to US pharma companies in which Trump is heavily invested.
I think Britain very overestimated itself. They thought they were to important to EU to let go and they will get all the benefits but it turned out differently. EU will use it as a schooling moment for all the other members.
Yes that how us in Ireland feel, also it was a surprise to the UK, that the EU and the US took Ireland’s side, over North Ireland. Before the vote some Brexiteers were saying Ireland should rejoin the UK, as we not survive. Note post Brexit UK gone from 5th biggest economy to 6th, India has over taken them.
Before Brexit many in Denmark was screaming : Danexit !!! Now after Brexit ,, big results in UK,, 😂everybody is silent regarding Danexit in Denmark. 😉😂😂😂
Britain is definitely not Great, and the United Kingdom has never been less united. The Global Britain pipe dream is a flimsy piece of nostalgia. Brexit is the best they could come up with, OMG
Brexit is such a bad example EU-sceptics overe here are now longer talkning about leaving the EU. Just less EU infleunce (the Brexit style leave is such a detering example).
The Brexit vote was probably very important ... So it was worth exploring the topic a little more than just talking to people on benefits in a pub. As a Pole, I am very happy that I will be leaving Great Britain in 2 months Is that: Coming back from work where I worked hard in the factory after 12 hours I heard passing by the pub "fucking pole" and that's what people said who bought alcohol there with benefit money and the benefits come from me because I work and generate profits for the company and I pay taxes on my salary to the treasury of the state from which the benefits come. It was all yet to be experienced.... but the Brexit vote was the expression of the will of the people. The nation said that it does not want immigrants - so we Poles will respect the decision of the inhabitants of a given country and we will return to ourselves
I am a UK citizen. I apologise for your experience. To provide comfort, I salute the Polish for their great contributions to the UK economy and society. Their work ethic and law abiding nature makes them ideal immigrants. I wish you the best in future, Karol.
As Timothy Snyder said - EU wasn't the result of Europeans learning that war is bad and trade is good during WW2. It was the result of colonial empires losing their colonial wars after WW2 and their empires soon after that - and realizing they can't keep their wealth, standards of living and influence as small insular nation-states. EU was the one way to keep all of that. After the silent success story some countries forgot how much they need EU :)
Snyder is clever. But his understanding of Europe is still pretty much hampered by his American perspective. Of the EU-countries, at most a third fits his description. It's true for France & Germany even if the enmity between them were more crucial than France's lost colonial wars or Germany's loss in two world wars that only partially were colonial. It's more or less true for the Netherlands and Belgium. It can, with a stretch of imagination, be argued to be true for Italy, Austria and Hungary, although counterarguments can also be raised. It was true for the UK. But in the case of Spain and Portugal, their lost imperiums were far from the center of their motivation for joining. Then we have Finland, Lithuania, Sweden, Denmark and Poland who hasn't had an imperialist ambition since the 18th century. And then a bunch of countries whose only experience of imperialism has been at the receiving end of other countries' imperialist ambitions.
If the average citizen would have had a bit of "common-sense" the one-trick-pony-asshole and poor-mans-populist #NigelFallange never could mobilize the dregs of society in such numbers....sad story overall
To an extent I would agree, but like Trump who did it deliberately, I think Cameron did it by accident, which was to kick over the rock to expose all the dismal prejudices, and perceived superiority of White Anglo Saxons over all nationalities and races in the World. Anyone in either of those countries who delude themselves that by being 'there' gives them the same 'superiority' are sadly mistaken.
@monipenny408It's standard practice in every democracy in the world that you need 2/3rds vote to make MAJOR changes. And guess what? A firm majority now Regrets it. Britain has ruined and humiliated itself for the likes of you, and now there are MORE immigrants than ever. GOOD WORK!
@@jmolofsson I see your point. Yet, it seems unconscionable that such a major issue should be treated so recklessly. A supermajority requirement--at least 55%!--majority could have been added. Obviously I'm a loony, but I see now there is talk of a law requiring just such a supermajority on future issues.
I love how Brits have this fantasy of a "very special relationship" with US. Americans fostered that notion while UK was in the EU, because US was privy to the pulse of the Union through their "special friend". Now that UK is out, it goes to the back of the queue. I really don't know what they were expecting. That US will give priority to one self-isolated country on the economic way down instead of union of 27 economies? In the world where if you're not absolutely massive country and economy, like US or China, you just have to be a part of some economic bloc. Leaving a seat at the table in one of the biggest powers in the world for no good reason, except for select group of people making millions upon millions at the expense of the UK population, and willingly committing economic self-harm was an act of staggering, breathtaking stupidity. The worst thing is, stupid old farts gleefully ruined future of their grandchildren in the name of "stopping refugees". Well, as they say, be careful what you wish for, you might get it.
Minford’s view that young people turn into old Tories is now for the birds. The young have had their youth wrecked by the Tory’s Brexit. The young aren’t seeing any wealth because of Brexit and other disastrous economic decisions. They’re also typically staying at home far longer as they can’t buy a house. In other words, what may have been the case years ago, is now no longer the case. The Tories have played their Brexit card and will now see a generational cohort who will, in the main, reject the Tories.
Yeah, his comment showed his arrogance. The trend of turning to the conservative party isn't happening in the US either. We've discovered that conservatism is a grift on the poor to get them to vote counter to their own best interest.
European markets grow at a slower rate than most Asian economies as they are mature economies. By contrast, poor countries can grow 5-10% a year for years and still be poor and unable to buy many high value western imports.
Senile Minford suggesting that the UK is a quarter of the size of the EU market. The UK’s population is less than 15% of the EU’s and the UK economy is reducing in size relative to the EU. The Brexiter’s economist, no wonder it’s been disastrous.
Rees Mogg quickly got back into his box when confronted by the negative impacts of brexit from his "only reliable economist": 1-Quick soundbite 2-Challenged by a fact 3-Silence
@@malthusXIII-fo3ep your figures are bs, but it is true that all rich countries have run trade deficits for the last 20 years, outsourcing production to ever cheaper markets. The UK has often been in surplus for services but wide deficits for goods, a result of Margaret Thatcher’s supply-side reforms but in aggregate in deficit. Those deficits have been financed by cheap borrowing, but now with inflation running much higher in the UK than the EU and USA requiring rates to go higher and reduced confidence internationally in the UK’s political stability there is less foreign demand for UK debt and other assets. In short we are now in the brown and smelly.
As a hypothetical question, say that in 10 years time that the UK were to rejoin the EU what benefits that we are currently enjoying since we left the EU would you miss the most ?
1st thing I did after Brexiters won - was to plan my escape. I work in international sales , I remember the UK before the EEC, before the EU and I knew Brexit was some dream of nutters who had never sold anything. So in Feb 2017 I emigrated to Europe. In 2014 I quit corporate life and started a business with some friends, we all agreed Brexit would kill it. We had experience in selling to Asia, Australia, Latin America , USA and Europe for big corporate's so we knew how much money you need and we didn't see anyone in Brexit talking about 'disposable income, cost market entry, cost of sale, cost of delivery, cost of support' - it was al blue sky, big picture slogans and soundbites , main based on mostly the past . We had a growing base in Europe so we moved our Business to Dublin, Munich and Amsterdam. The Uk is too small, the world is too big - EU is just right. I heard Dave "there are no downsides to Brexit" Davis MP , begging the German Chamber of Commerce at a conference in Frankfurt, to be 'pragmatic'. Dave "we hold all the cards" Davis was trying to pitch that the £115bn trade deficit was worth letting the UK keep the benefits as if not, both sides would suffer. As you can imagine he was laughed off the stage after his speech about "pragmatism" and we are all Europeans. The EU quite rightly has moved on and has no appetite to perpetual negotiation. Now they see the negative effects of Brexit on the EU have not been so bad, some effects even being positive, there is not really any incentives to keep fighting off Cherry Picking Brexiters. The thing is , the Brexiters won, but all they do is moan and complain and blame. They blame the EU, they blame Remainers, they blame anything they can think . What they cannot do is make any benefits, the people behind it were not thinking it through. It was all theory based on bad assumptions . Anyway , they won all they have to now is get out blame and excuses, get off their asses and start selling - Brexit was good for me , We have focus on a large market and we didn't go down with Brexit ship
Britain is an island nation. As such it's always secluded from the rest of the world, unlike mainland Europe where across the borders people and goods constantly move around, even before the EU coming to reality. This makes the people of England ethnocentric to put it mildly (or at least some age groups) and this cultural characteristic will never change. UK will never be a good EU partner. History has proven that. It's not about money or politics first, it's about their fear of having to live along with other nations.
Brexit, the best thing to happen... to the EU. That being said, the whole EU needs to be completely redone. Eastern European countries should not be part of the union, and criminal states like Switzerland should be integrated by force if necessary.
England, once the seat of a strong union and a mighty empire, has been on a long slow bumpy downward spiral since WW1. Brexit is all part of that decline. I'd say the country has a ways to go yet but, by all accounts, there is no reverse gear and the nation appears to be heading inextricably towards a rather rocky bottom . There is no empire left, and soon no union.
Who funded the Brexit campaign? What was Russia's links to Brexit? Why has Nigel Farage been turned down by six British banks when applying for a bank account? It is really difficult to get turned down for a bank account unless the government has informed the banks of a money laundering threat.
Where did the £350 million per week gone? If that were to go to the NHS as promised during the Brexit campaign, there wouldn't be strikes by NHS doctors and nurses, right?
When Empire dies 1968, we have 100 years now of decline ahead. A small island who prefers to buy aircraft carriers rather than invest in our health service. We’ll never recover. An old land with the highest amount of homelessness in Europe.
From Day 1 UK joined the EEC, it always feigned to ignore the "ever closer union" signed in the 1957 Rome treaty and only wanted a trade union to its best advantage. The EU is a peace project, an opportunity-sharing union while, all the time, the UK was complaining about everything (I want my rebate). All in the UK pushed for Brexit (even Cameron in a way with his sharp criticism of the EU, Labour with J Corbyn and K Starmer mild position). So all this was normal but now lets not wonder why it will be difficult for the UK to rejoin. Here, in the EU, we don't care. It is a 100% British decision BUT, the EU won't accept ANY country that does not embrace 100% of the project (no country will impose its will on the others, no cherry-picking) and considering Britain's past, will not consider a join application by the UK unless BOTH key UK parties are strongly supporting it.
@@roccosilverstar-- A "SM membership" does not exist. SM is only for EU / EFTA members. Get some basic knowledge about EU law, reading at least the articles "SM" and "Copenhagen criteria" in Wikipedia.
@@roccosilverstar, now that you left, getting back in, will be extremely difficult. 1. Parties in Ireland see Brexit as a way to get an United Ireland. 2 Parties in Spain see Brexit as an opportunity to get Gibraltar back. 3 French more fishing rights. The list goes on. Were Brexiteers are right it takes a long time for the EU to agree anything as getting 27 countries to agree anything????
@@patrickokeeffe539 I said I was hopeful. The consequences have yet to be realised. However I no longer live in the UK. I am working on gaining EU citizenship in a couple of years. Then I won't really care what happens to the UK.
I mean it was nice for UK to serve as examples to others about what happens when you leave. UK is a financial powerhouse and that is the only reason they are not worse off than the current scene but any other EU country would have pretty bad repercussions.
England never had a referendum to join, why have one to leave? The biggest mistake England made was to have a referendum to leave. A lot of people can’t analyze what the consequences of leaving would have been. Not because they aren’t smart, but they wouldn’t have the expertise to make such a decision. I saw a video where a business owner voted in favor of Brexit, this even though 90% of his exports went to the EU. Brexit passed, he fired all his employees and went bankrupt because sales went to zero. What did he think would happen? It’s as though the British don’t understand the relationship between cause and effect.
It’s great that the UK left. It’s been chance to see both the good and the bad that comes from leaving, continuing to be part, or joining the EU, so other European nations can make an informed decision. A test-and-learn, if you will.
I think the EU has made up its mind regarding the UK rejoining. If we don't know what that is pehaps we should ask our poloticians to ask. Having being born during the 1930's we were very grateful for European and USA unity. Also we we very releived to be accepted eventualyas a partner in
Are we back to the question "what is the EU?" When Britain was a member of the EU, what was 'the EU' we moaned about? 'the EU' is its members. Complaints about 'protectionism' never explain 'who' 'the EU' are protecting from 'what'.
No, as a EU Citizen we do not want the UK back. I am highly in favor of continued EU integration. The UK ca start negotiations and our inflexible position will be "zero special position for any current or future EU member".
Lemme guess... You don't want the UK back because of the euroskeptic conservatives? And the misinformed lunatics in the campaign that portrayed the EU as a force for evil? Do you think that ALL political parties of ALL EU member states are fond of the EU? I agree, key figures in the UK (Nigel Farage) painted through EU as a nuisance. Boris Johnson (who spoke fondly of the EU in 2014) only acted the way he did to rise to power... Anyhow, times have changed - public perceptions of the EU have changed. It is the current conservatives that dragged us out of the single market. Not all leave voters wanted that. I am glad the EU is cooperating better without the UK now. However, that doesn't mean if the UK were to hypothetically join the EU (or EEA), this cooperation would be challenged. Regardless of what our major political parties say, the public view on Brexit is unfavourable.
Ha - I couldn't help see Patrick Minford opining for a few moments: he has an amazing capacity to be wrong about everything. maybe that's why he's such a quotable "talking-head": Patrick Wrong.
To curb the unbridled praise of the EU in the comments here lets not forget how urgently the EU needs a thorough reform of its politics, administrative procedures, long term aims and democratic state.
Honestly im a eu citizen. And i am happy the uk is out of the EU. Uk behaviour is very arrogant. And compared to other big economic block. Uk lacks efficient workers, land, resources, large advanced industries. Their money is strictly superficial and the business and aristocrats that voted for will suffer because of this. Uk Is like a wanabe Dubai or monaco. But is not and will never be. There are way other better countries that offer things. Uk will probably be a local almost closed economy. The population works for the country and the welfare is rubbish right now.
And thus they did not vote at all, they didn't bother to show up. Perhaps a short catchy phrase may help them to understand democracy: if you don't show up, shut up.
The idea of getting something without commitment is a childish idea. The phrase "we are not leaving Europe" pretends to convince the UK was going to get the best from the EU but without any commitment. That vision could work during the British Empirial era aginst a weakest country but not with the EU today.
Whilst being a member of CPTPP prohibits joining the EU, Britain could still enter membership talks with them and once close to agreement, give CPTPP six months notice that they will leave. CPTPP might add an extra 0.08% a year (1.8 billion) to Britain's GDP in 15 years time Britain is losing 100 billion a year from not being a member of the EU single market and customs union. A five year old could tell you what to do.
@Gifford Garry not sure where you got that 0.08% statistic from. Please share the link? The EU's middle class is shrinking. Whereas a lot of the emerging markets in the CPTPP have an expanding middle class. India is looking to join, plus other emerging markets in Asia. So in 15 years' time things could look very different.
