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According to KIRO-7, a Seattle TV station, they tracked down Roger Szomdis--or rather, a nephew of his. According to his nephew, Roger is still alive, still a big Mariners fan, never married or had kids, now lives in Pennsylvania, and apparently is a very private person and simply didn't want any publicity.
25:36 - that random dot in ~2004ish - his name was Al Pedrique - he was a minor league manager for the Tuscon Sidewinders when he was suddenly promoted mid-summer to manage the complete flustercluck 2004 Arizona Diamondbacks after they fired their previous manager. The team was terrible all season and Pedrique had a 22-61 record as their manager (the team lost 111 games overall) - perhaps not surprisingly, he would never get another chance to manage in the major leagues, so it remains his career total. Now, 20+ years later, and Pedrique is still managing in the minor leagues, currently in Pennsylvania.
Maybe someone mentioned it already, but Emil Sick, the beer magnate, named his team the Rainiers because that was the name of his beer brand. Ownership has changed quite a few times for both, but the team and the beer are both still called Rainier and share the same logo. The ultimate in synergistic marketing, minor league ball team and cheap lagers, we call em vitamin Rs.
it's always so fun to explain to people that no, the rainiers are not named after the mountain, they're named after a beer brand named after the mountain lol
@@izzykwoka2379 And, once revealed, my advice is always, "Have Another!" ( Scene: A lone motorcycle is making a back-roads climb up The Mountain... the gears play out this effort, and we distinctly hear "Raaaaaiin . . . eeeeaar .... beeeeer" soundtrack of the engine, as the climb is being made. It's a Classic.
@@libradragonI was a rider "back in the day" as the kids say 😊. I loved the Rainier adverts. My favourites we're the Micky Rooney ones, hunting the wild Rainier. "Quick! Pop it's top!" 😆
My life is complete, I’ve been waiting so long for this. My favorite reactors to one of the best sports series ever put on the platform Cutting a ball or manipulating the ball can give you more movement on your curveballs and sliders. Whitney Ford (famous Yankees pitcher) would cut the ball with his wedding ring
I watched many games in the 80s. Security would stop watching the exits at the Kingdome around the 3rd inning. One of my fondest memories was selling chocolate bars for my soccer team in Renton and knocking on Griffey Jr door. He bought the entire box of me.
Fun fact regarding name changes: There used to be a baseball team called the Chicago White Stockings. They are, of course, nowadays known as the Chicago... Cubs. The modern-day White Sox are a completely unrelated franchise
The collision that lead to the rule change was Buster Posey in 2011. Love this Dorktown documentary. Appreciate the Mariners coverage. Can't wait for the next episode.
As a diehard fan, im so excited to watch the rest of this with you! I've watched it so many times, and truly believe it is one of the best sports documentaries ever!!!
I agree and I am right here, waiting for the rest of the reaction. This is my favorite Jon Bois Production, the entire Mariners History is a great and amusing romp through the bookends of our lives. We know the pain of last place and futile efforts, along with the failure in a post season that won 116 regular season games. Been here, since Game One: Kingdome, the Angels. We lost 7-1 if I think a correct memory... still here, but barely. Go M's! Best of good fortunes with our new Manager, Dan (the Man) Wilson and EDGAR MARTINEZ, stepping into the Hitting Coach position. In my opinion, this is a proper step, though perhaps too late for 2024.
If you guys are fine with the long videos, you need to react to "the search for the saddest punt in the world". My personal favorite secret base video.
I think it’s good that you guys waited to watch it until after you learned a bit more about baseball. The Griffey reveal hits harder and there’s more moments like that to come that you’ll appreciate more now that you’re more knowledgeable.
I moved to Seattle for university in 2018. I never really cared about baseball and thought it was boring. After watching this series, baseball is by far my favorite/ most watched sport. Huge mariners fan
Love the video. For the next one I would definitely turn down the video audio so we can hear your dialogue during the video better. We've all seen the original video you're watching so it's not too important to hear what it's saying.
John Bois and Secret Base did a wonderful job on this... I've seen it before.... They also did videos on the Atlanta Falcons, my team, and the Minnesota Vikings that are very similar to this ....I believe you will really enjoy them.
Another big part of the collapse of the Pilots is the fact that the owner was Bud Selig who lived in Milwaukee. He had promised an MLB team to that city. After spring training before the second season the players thought they were heading to Seattle but the busses and trucks all turned and went to Milwaukee. The owner soon became the Commissioner of the MLB and whenever he came to Seattle the fans let him know how we felt about him.
So glad to see you guys finally react to this! This first episode is definitely more silly stories without much narrative. As the series goes on, it gets much more interesting, emotional, and dramatic. I would say episodes 3-5 are definitely the best (they're all good, but that is the most interesting part of the story by far). In my opinion, the first is probably the weakest as its the least engaging in terms of actually caring about players and storylines. It definitely gets much better from here.
This series is an epic production. The Mariners are eminently loveable. One of the biggest reasons Mariners fans could love them through all of their downtimes is a testament to Dave Niehaus, the Voice of the Mariners from the first game in 1977, to his death in 2010. There was never a dull moment in a game with Niehaus announcing.
Mariners fan as well....our M's may suck again but they'll always have a unique and strange history. There's a 3hr 30 min full version but I'm glad you guys are doing one segment at a time 😅 Also, cutting a baseball allows it to move in very weird ways. Hold a cut ball with the cut on the left and the ball will dance right.
The idea with the front of the batter's box being moved forward is that a curveball tends to curve the most at the very end, right before the strike zone, so if you can hit the ball slightly earlier you have an advantage. Of course any pitcher seeing this should just throw a fastball and laugh at you...
Yes, the draft was the same then as now, but to build a good farm system through the draft you need to make good decisions don who to draft, and I think it's pretty clear that "making good decisions" was a foreign concept to the Mariners organization during this era
This is one of the best independent documentaries I've ever watched. I laughed and cried, watched it 3 times over the past couple years, and got non-baseball fans interested as well. Looking forward to the rest!
I think I've some summaries like this for specific teams before but what you said at 10:07 inspired me to make sure everything is in one place. Here is a complete history of all Major League Baseball teams' locations and names since 1903. That is the year of the first World Series and no teams folded after that point. Prior to the American League forming in 1901, teams and leagues were popping into and out of existence and changing names every other year to the point of total chaos. The only thing you really need to know from that time is that the National League formed in 1876 and the founding teams that still remain are the teams we now call the Cubs and Braves and the ones that started between 1876 and 1903 were the ones we now call the Giants, Phillies, Pirates, Reds, Dodgers, and Cardinals. Also, the American League had some growing pains its first 3 years but stabilized after 1903. (All data is from Baseball reference. It looks like some teams from 1900 to 1920 also changed nicknames a bit and I think Wikipedia has some conflicting info but this should work for most people.) National League Braves - Boston Nationals 1903-06, Boston Doves 1907-10, Boston 1911, Boston Braves 1912-35, Boston Bees 1936-40, Boston Braves 1941-52, Milwaukee Braves 1953-65, Atlanta Braves 1966-Present Dodgers - Brooklyn Superbas 1903-10, Brooklyn Dodgers 1911-15, Brooklyn Robins 1916-31, Brooklyn Dodgers 1932-57, Los Angeles Dodgers 1958-Present Cubs - Chicago 1903, Chicago Cubs 1904-Present Reds (shortened from Red Stockings prior to 1903) - Cincinnati Reds 1903-Present Giants - New York Giants 1903-57, San Francisco Giants 1958-Present Phillies (short for Philadelphians) - Philadelphia Phillies 1903-Present Pirates - Pittsburgh Pirates 1903-Present Cardinals - St. Louis Cardinals 1903-Present Mets (short for Metropolitans) - New York Mets 1962-Present Nationals - Montreal Expos 1969-2004, Washington Nationals 2005-Present Padres - San Diego Padres 1969-Present Rockies - Colorado Rockies 1993-Present Marlins - Florida Marlins 1993-2011, Miami Marlins 2012-Present Diamondbacks - Arizona Diamondbacks 1998-Present Brewers - Seattle Pilots (AL) 1969, Milwaukee Brewers (AL) 1970-97, Milwaukee Brewers (NL) 1998-Present American League Yankees - New York Highlanders 1903-12, New York Yankees 1913-Present Red Sox - Boston Americans 1903-07, Boston Red Sox 1908-Present White Sox - Chicago White Sox 1903-Present Guardians (for a time named after player/manager Napoleon "Nap" Lajoie) - Cleveland Napoleons 1903-05, Cleveland Naps 1906-14, Cleveland Indians 1915-2021, Cleveland Guardians 2022-Present Tigers - Detroit Tigers unchanged since 1894 Orioles (as mentioned in the video, originally called the Milwaukee Brewers) - St. Louis Browns 1903-53, Baltimore Orioles 1954-Present Athletics (A's) - Philadelphia Athletics 1903-54, Kansas City Athletics 1955-67, Oakland Athletics 1968-2024, Who the Hell Knows What 2025 on Twins - Washington Senators 1903-04, Washington Nationals 1905-56 (still informally referred to as the Senators), Washington Senators 1957-60, Minnesota Twins 1961-Present Rangers - Washington Senators 1961-71, Texas Rangers 1972-Present Angels - Los Angeles Angels 1961-64, California Angels 1965-96, Anaheim Angels 1997-04, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim [eyeroll] 2005-15, Los Angeles Angels 2016-Present Royals - Kansas City Royals 1969-Present Mariners - Seattle Mariners 1977-Present Blue Jays - Toronto Blue Jays 1977-Present Rays - Tampa Bay Devil Rays 1998-2007, Tampa Bay Rays 2008-Present Astros - Houston Colt .45s (NL) 1962-64, Houston Astros (NL) 1965-2012, Houston Astros (AL) 2013-Present
As a 34 almost 35 year old seattle native and life long mariner fan, I loved this! So much information i never knew. I knew we always sucked but holy crap!! haha
One of the greatest books about baseball, Ball Four, was written by a pitcher named Jim Bouton about a year in his life, most of which he spent as a member of the Seattle Pilot's bullpen. The Pilot's lone year was the perfect setting, Bouton is hilarious.
Kingdome was a functional home to the Mariners. Seahawks, Sounders(Soccer) and the NBA Champion Supersonics in 1979! But it outlived its usefulness. (And the ceiling tiles started falling). 😮
Until they are allowed to be a Team, over a Business, this will never cease. Ownership must desire to Win - over - Profit. Until we lost Stanton and get a brain for baseball and such, we might break the World Series Drought of the (in)famous Chicago Cubs... two generations. This is a great series from Dorktown.
Plenty of all purpose stadiums still exist, but not many are still used for multiple sports at top level. The Chicago Bears used to play at Wrigley Field, in fact. Of course there's also the LA Coliseum which is used for both two basketball teams and ice hockey, but that's not quite what you're thinking of.
1. Pitchers love having some inperfection on the smooth leather of a baseball, that is why baseballs are throw out of play whenever they hit the dirt. A thumbtack can cut into the leather and give pitchers an advantage, in that they can make the ball curve and act differently than a smooth ball that only has the uniform stiches...
I moved from Scotland to the Seattle area in 1970, but I had visited a few times before that. Actually saw a few Pilots games in Sick's. Although we have never really had any "great" teams, the 2001 M's tied the major league record of 116 wins. Didn't get to the World Series though. Had some great players over the years. Alvin Davis, Junior, Randy Johnson, Edgar Martinez and a pre steroid A-Rod to name a few. I remember being at the Kingdome when there were more people on the field than in the stands. Then they got Ken Griffey, jr (aka "Junior" or "the kid") and attendence started to get better. The M's actually had Ken Griffey senior on the team for a while. One night in 1990 the Griffeys became the first and so far only father and son to hit back-to-back home runs in a major league game. It was an away game against the then named California Angels so we had to settle for seeing it on the telly. At least the Mariners have been (mostly) entertaining to watch since moving to Safeco/T-Mobile.
The 1970 All-Star Game that you mentioned involved Pete Rose running over Ray Fosse. Fosse suffered a separated shoulder and was never the same player after that.
"I don't really understand the benefit of doing this, I don't... It's not logical to me." The history of Seattle (The city and the Mariners) summed up beautifully.
You can no longer run into catchers since Buster Posey broke his leg similarly. It's known as the Posey Rule. Pete Rose mowed down Ray Fossey in an all star game. Buck Martinez is also a broadcaster so you may have heard him call games though lately he just works for the Blue Jay's media.
25:58 I'm going to guess that the outlier dot is Alan Trammell, who managed the Detroit Tigers from 2003-2005 and had the worst record in modern history in 2003 at 43-119.
24:50 I'm sure that someone has mentioned this, but altering the surface of the baseball (ie sandpaper, tack, nail file etc) would cause the ball to move more due to the imbalance in air resistance. It would move more in the direction of the disturbance I believe. Movement is crucial in getting strikeouts and generating weak contact, but also may lead to a lack of control and walks.
24:40 Roughing up a baseball. You create roughness to the ball which then applies more ?drag? so that the ball interacts with the air and will move more.
Back then most baseball stadiums were mostly made of wood wood is extremely flammable hence why with only a few newspapers clippings he was able to get it on fire so easily
I grew up close to Seattle, I was really young probably 8 or 9 and got to go to a Pilots game with our neighbors. I remember my buddy and I sitting on the top row of the bleachers and looking down on the people behind the stands and we were being little shits and spit on a blad guys head. he looked up and pointed at us so we ran to the other side of the beachers. oh what memories. I still live here and I have been to dozens of Mariner games over the years.
The home plate collision you saw in 1985 did not lead to the rule that banned catchers from blocking the plate. The change happened after a collision in 2011 or 2012. The catcher was an all-star player named Buster Posey of the San Francisco Giants. In a game against the Florida Marlins, he tore his achilles tendon, missed the remainder of the season, and was never the same player after that. The guy who injured him was Chris Coghlan who started receiving hate mail containing threats of bodily harm.
Scuffs or cuts on the baseball alter its aerodynamics which can be exploited for extra movement by the pitcher. This is part of the reason the ball is replaced when it hits the dirt (the other being that someone a long time ago got hit in the head and died because the ball was covered in mud and they couldn't see it).
All purpose stadiums were a 70's thing (Astro Turf, not grass), then after the Astrodome was built in Houston, The Kingdom in Seattle, the Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome in Minneapolis (where the Twins won both the 1987 & 1991 World Series Championships, but the Minnesota Vikings remain un-championed!) into the 2010s, now having their own grass field stadiums), Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh, Bush Stadium in St Louis, Cincinnati, Seattle, Houston, ... all had astroturf, multi purpose stadiums. After Baltimore build Camden Park for JUST baseball (GRASS), every teams ownership wanted their own baseball only facility, and of course wanted taxpayers to pay for them, threatening to move to another city if voters refused.
All purpose stadiums were very popular for about 30 years MLB teams and NFL teams as well as college teams could use them and really get their money’s worth. Nearly every city in the 70s has multi purpose stadiums.
The teams prior in Seattle were minor league teams. Until the Pilots in 1969. The first Cleveland Indians season, as the Indians, was in 1915. The Rainiers, & Indians name moved to 2 Washington cities as a minor league baseball team. Rainiers went to the nearby city of Tacoma, and Indians went to Spokane.
about roger szmodis, the guy who named the Mariners actually got found about a year ago, basically he and his family just didn't want the publicity lol
My friends this video has kind of give you the importance of money in American sports. Can't make enough where you are or get a nice financial deal from the city well there is always another city ready to step up. Also a lot of the multipurpose stadiums had artificail turf and the Kingdom had a roof so no weather issue there. But as teams got tired of their old homes and realized that new stadiums meant more mpney baseball and football owners realized it was even more money if you didn't share a home. Another thing is way back say mid-1900s if a team moved or new team was created and they went to a city that had sometype of team from years gone by then a lot of time people wanted thar old name back like early 1990s Milwaukee Brewers to the fresh from Seattle 1971 Milwaukee Brewers
Speaking of the Mariners, if you ever watch videos on the best MLB players you need to also include Ichiro Suzuki. That dude is as much a legend as Griffey and Johnson.
Actually most hitters like the stickem, they would rather the pitchers have more control and not get smoked by a baseball. but putting groves in the baseball creates different air resistance for better breaking balls.
Here are some of the mistakes that Maury Wills made in his short tenure, in no particular order. - Submitting a lineup card with two center fielders, but no third baseman. - Walking a weak-hitting outfielder late in a game against the Angels, hoping their manager Jim Fregosi would forget to put one of his pinch hitters in. But Fregosi didn't, and that pinch hitter smacked a game-winning double. - Making the exact opposite mistake in another game, choosing not to walk Harold Baines intentionally to load the bases and set up a force play at any base. Baines also hit a game-winning double. Later, Wills had a meltdown in the locker room, claiming nobody had ever heard of Baines. - Holding up a game for ten minutes to search for a pinch hitter of his own. - Calling for a reliever, although he had nobody warming up in the bullpen. - Another incident involving Rick Honeycutt - Wills makes a mound visit to talk to him about something. Wills leaves to the dugout, then comes back out, claiming he forgot something. This was considered a second mound visit in an inning, so by rule, Honeycutt had to leave the game. - Wills fined a pitcher that he believed slammed down a batting helmet in the dugout after a poor performance. He later found out it was somebody else, but refused to rescind the fine. - Speaking of former catcher Brad Gulden, he was set to bat in a game against Cleveland, who make a pitching change. Wills is deep in conversation with player Julio Cruz, so he doesn't notice the change. Gulden gets a good count on him, a 3-1 count, and Wills finally notices the pitching change. Furiously, he removes Gulden *while the at-bat is still going on* because he believes Gulden "showed him up" by not telling him. - Lastly, with a story involving Cruz: Wills tells Cruz he'll be the starting shortstop "permanently." Within twenty-four hours, he's placed at second base. His managerial record was 26-56, a .317 winning percentage. That is one of the worst of any manager with over fifty games in their tenure, as mentioned.
