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We desperately need a system like Japan and Korea has, if an umpire and his crew call a game horribly, they are sent down to the minor leagues while a low error rate minor league crew is called up to replace them.
Modern umpires are heavily influenced by an early innovator of Umpiring - Enrico Palazzio. He was a renaissance man - an umpire AND an acclaimed opera singer. He brought a certain flair to the "punch out" after the third strike.
11:00 Not a stupid question. You guys got it: usually the umpire has one signal they give for the 1st and 2nd strike, and a more emphatic signal for the 3rd strike, since it's also an out. I think that's why strikeouts are also known as "punch-outs", because the ump mimics a punching motion on the 3rd strike.
Most umpires will have a different motion they use for calling strike 1/2 compared to strike 3. Some really get into calling strikeouts haha Consistency is probably the most important quality an umpire can have. Most can get away with favoring a certain side of the plate or having a tall/short zone as long as they’re consistent with it and the hitters can know what to expect.
Umps will embellish the third strike call to make everyone aware that the batter is out , sometimes refered to as a "punch out" so instead of right hand up and finger out for strike 1and2, ump will move arm emphatically in a punching motion to make everyone aware batter is out. Each ump has his own style of punch out
there's a great video out there called "Mark Grant Umpire" - for the newer fans, it's a pitcher in the 80s/early-90s doing some funny umpire impressions of all the different quirks and hand gestures they all had. It's very short (90 seconds) but funny to watch.
If you'd like more Bad Umpiring content to react to... just today, Jomboy released one of my favorite breakdowns that I've seen in quite a while. There's some really great lip reading in there. "Umpire calls timeout then acts like he didn't call timeout, a breakdown." Make sure you watch it all the way to the end, for some reason the very last line of the video had me dying.
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@@DNReacts here in the states we have soft pitch baseball leagues in just about every city and town. Most even have over 50 (age) leagues with a lot of pinch runners lol. Some of us play our whole lives. My dad and uncles played in 3 to 4 leagues a week until they passed.
As an umpire myself: There's something called the "slot" that you're taught. It's the area right in between the batter and the plate. You're supposed to set up there, as that spot is the least likely to get yourself nailed with a foul ball. You're also taught that as soon as the ball leaves the pitcher's hand, you're supposed to keep your head completely still and just track the ball with your eyes. The bad umps in this video are following those rules to the letter. Hoberg seems to be completely forgoing both of those things, and hey, it clearly works.
sounds like hoberg knows he has a mask and is willing to get physical to get an actual view. dropping down like a legit catcher vs always being set as they do is definitely more physically demanding
You are right guys. All of that extra hand motion by the ump is usually a third strike. That motions is his signal that the batter has struck out. Great observation guys. Nothing gets passed you anymore. Credit to Jomboy for putting this amazing video together. He is an extraordinary creator and has extraordinary patience. Good job boys, this was a great video. ♣
The ump did a really good job. It is easy to point fingers when an ump/ref miss calls a play or does a bad job, but rarely do they get credit when they do well. If we need slow-mo replay and pitch tracking to argue over 5 really close pitches. That is really impressive umpiring.
Keep in mind that box you see on tv is not official. It’s more for viewer engagement. It’s made by the tv network. Our view is angled due to camera set up not being behind the pitcher. Where the catcher catches the ball isn’t necessarily where the ball crosses the plate and most importantly the strike zone is not a flat 2D rectangle. It’s a 3D plane that mirrors home plate, that is supposed to cover the area from the hitters chest to knee. A ball could certainly clip the bottom of the zone and fall much lower than the tv strike zone.
When a ump calls a third strike, they'll often put some flare in their call. It's called punching them out. It has occurred in games you have watched. You just didn't see it because you didn't know it was a thing. It happens in every game. So look for it, especially during dramatic moments, and you will see the umps punch guys out.
The biggest umpire gaffe of all time was undoubtedly Jim Joyce ending Armando Galarraga's perfect game. It's worth reacting to, especially if you can find a video that includes what happened the next day.
I really think the replay rule, in spirit, is the Jim Joyce rule. Galarraga had that game, and Jim Joyce made a call that in his OWN hindsight was terribly wrong. The man openly wept on national tv while personally apologizing to Armando for the bad call. Honestly, the grace that Galarraga displayed when it happened, and Joyce's humility in the wake of the game always made me really think highly of both men. While nobody every wants to be a martyr, Armando was for baseball... and we're all better off for it.
To piggy back on Mac Davidson’s comment, once you know that there is a different call on the “three strikes, you’re out” pitch, the “umpire” scene from the movie “Naked Gun” is a lot funnier. For context (if you haven’t seen it), Leslie Nielson plays an undercover detective who is disguised as an umpire in an effort to catch a “murderer.” : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LyghaQMO5HQ.html Ps, I love Baseball and I love that you fellas have come to embrace the sport. That and tackle football (the NFL).
The Punch out was for strike out! Its up to the Ump for how he chooses to punch out a hitter on strike 3. Many have their own individual move or spin they put on a 3rd strike! Some are pretty animated
Regarding the question at the end: I umpire high school and little league games. The community culture of umpires is pretty much the same, though, regardless of what level of game you officiate. One of the traditions within the community is to develop your own style of calling Strike 3; that said, if you look at different umpires, their strike calls, and especially their 3rd Strike call, will not appear the same. Strike 1 & 2 is called either with a point, or what looks like a hammer motion; Strike 3 may have a wide range of styles, whether it be a bow and arrow motion, a lawnmower start motion, or the one you saw that looked like someone ripping a notebook real fast. The way they vocalize strikes is also different, usually you will hear either a variation on the accent of STRIKE!, or they may say HA! Whereas on Strike 3, it will intentionally be very different, so as to help "sell" the call, as well as to quickly make the batter aware that he should walk to the dugout instead of 1st base. FYI if you're curious, I'm a point guy on strike 1 & 2, and my Strike 3 is a "STEE-HA!" with the ripping motion that you saw, but my right hand is more like a hammer rather than the straight jabbing motion you made in the video.
I would love to watch a soccer match with these fellas. The observations they make about baseball and gridiron football, you know these dudes have intelligent sporting minds and they could probably explain the hell out of an association football match to me and make me feel like I understand it.
This would be awesome Max! We might bring some British sports into the channel depending on where the journey takes us. Really appreciate the comment, thank you 🙏
Regarding the "punch out" embellishment that umpires do on a third strike, there are plenty of umps who *really*, *really* put some flair into it with extra animated gestures and ridiculous sounding punch out calls. It's great. There's a good handful of compilations of 'em on here if you just search for umpire punch out or umpire strike three calls, etc. Great stuff, guys.
Most umpires have their particular hand signal variation for strikes or balls. Balls are simple, you just don't move your arms. Strikes, you usually point away from the batter (so for lefties, who stand in to the right side of the plate, you would point to the left, and vice versa). Then, you get 2 different hand signals if the player is out. If the player swings for strike three, it's usually a punch (just like if a player is out at one of the other bases). If the player takes a "called strike 3" (i.e. they didn't swing but it was a strike) they do this "reverse punch" kinda thing.
The accentuated call on the strike is a strike out. That’s always the third strike. Anybody has said it yet, but the strike zone is the width of the plate from the batters knees to their letters on their jersey. Their chest. Knees to letters.
umpires often create emphasis on their called strikes, especially if its a called third strike..many of them have their own 'punch-out' gestures for this pitch, as you noted with the hand gesture that was made..
Easiest way to remember a perfect game for a pitcher... 3 outs an inning, 9 innings, that's 27 outs in the entire game. 27 up and 27 down for a pitcher is a perfect game.
Another Jomboy vid I recommend is "Julio Urias changes arm slots to mess with Soto, a breakdown". It's awesome watching these little battles between pitcher and batter, and I think you guys would enjoy it.
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All umpires can have a unique strike and/or out call. Some can be really animated. You should pull up craziest umpire strike calls on RU-vid. Funny stuff
I umpired youth, high school, national tournament travel ball, and small college baseball over a twenty eight year career. Umpires are taught from day one to put their head over the catchers inside shoulder. Some umpires feel that they can be more consistent by always setting up with their nose on the inside edge of the plate. It is a difficult job to maintain the concentration needed over a three hour ball game, sometimes on a very hot day. I think the best umpires, as a group, in pro ball are at the Triple A minor league level, one level below "The Show". Their still young and ambitious and are graded severely. It's almost impossible to make it to the big leaguesand you had better be outstanding if you want to work the Majors.
I have to add that the ones they say he got wrong? They're going by where the ball is caught, which is the overwhelming mistake. A pitch is not a ball or strike based on where it's caught. It's based on whether or not any part of the ball crosses any portion of the plate that determines if it's a ball or strike. Based on from what i'm watching, by movement of the pitch and where it's caught, all of those "missed calls" were actually dead on.
More baseball! Is the season! Isn't it so bizarre how such a simple game can become so complex...lol even the fans, the critters on the field, you never know what is going to happen but is always amazing
Have you guys seen the game about ten years ago where a batter hit the ball and was obviously out at first base but the ump called him safe and cost the Rockies pitcher a perfect game. The ump cried after the game when he realized how wrong he got the call. The pitcher was Andres Gallaraga.
Umpires usually do add a little flourish to signify a called 3rd strike. Never sure why that’s the case, but it’s always been that way. Check out Leslie Nielsen in Naked Gun for some comedic interpretation of that phenomenon 😂
A low pitch, that's over the plate, is the hardest pitch for an umpire to call correctly. The in-game camera angle is a much better view for that pitch.
Interesting and fun to watch you guys learn more about baseball. Probably in a minority here, but I think that overall the umpires do a pretty good job. Considering the movement on the ball, the different sizes and stances of the batters. The pitchers whole intent is to fool the batter so of course, sometimes the pitcher also fools the umpire. Usually the bad calls happen to both teams, so kind of hard to say that some bad calls influenced the outcome of the game -- even if the last out of the game is a result of a bad call -- who's to say that the final score would be effected. With all of the thousands of games in a season, its very easy to point out some calls that might have effected the game, and it's especially frustrating if your team finishes a game behind in the playoff race.
4:23 - It's one of those cases where people do whatever works for them, but yeah, if there is a trend of a certain style not working as well as another, it won't be made a rule per se, but they will definitely start teaching new umps that style. 4:59 - There are a fair number of cases where home plate umpires have to leave games from catching a foul tip STRAIGHT to the face. It's not SUPER common based on the sheer number of games played but it happens a few times a season. Not fun. 9:07 - Angel's been hurt so he hasn't been out there for a few weeks. 10:55 - Nick nails it. Umpires tend to have different mechanics for signaling strikes 1 and 2 vs. strike 3. 1 and 2 will usually just have a simple gesture with the right hand while a called strike 3 is more of a full body punch-out. A swinging strike 3 might be a little less demonstrative since there's no question of what happened but, either way, strike 3 always includes some version of the right hand in a fist to indicate the out call. 13:22 - I doubt it but in the modern technology era, balls and strikes are judged with a small margin of error so (like this guy's 5), if there is a pitch within that margin of error, they will still be marked correct for that pitch. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lIACBbNypBU.html This is a great video from another great baseball RU-vidr Jolly Olive on another Jomboy Media channel, JM Baseball (Jack has his own channel which is worth a follow but he also works for Jimmy now). It is particularly awesome because it includes a clip from one of the all-time classic depictions of an umpire in fiction: that of Leslie Nielsen playing LA police detective Frank Drebin sneaking into a baseball game as the home plate umpire to try to prevent the assassination of Queen Elizabeth II who is visiting to watch said game, during the spoof comedy movie The Naked Gun. Both the movie and the scene are as ridiculous as that sounded, if not more, and the movie is worth a watch just for this scene alone.
This this was a great video, very interesting. If you guys ever get into the lighter side of baseball, the video, “Not so Serious Baseball part 2”, has a clip of two fans behind home plate that are wearing full umpire gear and calling the pitches on their own. They’re pretty hilarious. The commentators have a lot of fun watching them. 😂
You answered your question on the umpire motions. A video to watch is "MLB | Umpire Enjoy The Strikeout" where you see a few different ring-ups including the great Dutch Rennert.
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Different umps do different signals but generally strike is fingers to the side, strikeout looking is the punch out sign you guys saw, and strikeout swinging is just an out sign. Sometimes umps do the out sign every strike and just say strike three on the third.
If you look at the catcher they doing something called framing catching the ball outside the strike zone and quickly jerking it into the strike zone if done well it can fool the ump into thinking its a strike but most catchers are terrible at it they catch the ball a foot outside the zone jand jerk into the center of the strike zone.
it's extremely frustrating when an ump makes bad pitch calls. that's the one thing that i want them to take from the umps. you can see when the ump makes a bad call on tv. the plate never moves. for the automated pitch caller all you'd need to do is have a custom strike zone for every player vertically. the consistency would be 1000% better.
The bit about the questionable calls. All the calls here were objectively correct, Hoberg just has tendencies to make certain wrong calls, like that outside pitch, he made the correct call here, but he typically calls that a strike, incorrectly.
the umps that tend to be the worst are the older guys that have a harder time doing the required squatting. they just assume the position they can get into and you get what you get.
it's actually easier to see horizontally if the pitch is a strike because the plate is a visible object. height is harder because every batter is not exactly the same. So if a pitch is borderline height wise I usually give umps a pass as a fan.
Trackman Doppler radars and cameras was first implemented in 2008 at all MLB parks, initiated by the individual teams. The teams were more interested with the speeds of the pitched balls than over the ball’s locations. Because they were grading pitchers more so than umpires. MLB upgraded the equipment in 2020 at the league level desiring a much better set of data including location because they wished to grade umpires more than the pitchers. So being able to grade umpires how well they call balls and strikes is limited with the best technology to the last 3 years. In case you have not noticed it, a solid dot marking where the ball was over the plate should be called a strike, a hollow dot should be called a ball. How quickly we all fall into the trap expecting modern technolgy even 5 years ago before it even existed. I understand the op idea that better umpires should be positioned at home plate, it is entirely unrealistic. Umpires rotate umpire positions every game just to rest between plate turns. Having one umpire in the crew take the plate appearance for every game will over work him.
If you go a whole game and never notice the officials, in any game, then they did their job well. and Yea, strike 3 is usually a little more ...emphatic for signal that an out has been made.
You know a cool channel you guys can check out is “The Qb School.” Sone vids in particular could be “why do sone qbs need to know middle field open or closed” or “How do quarterback reads really work.”
Please, God!!!! Watch the Atlanta Braves. I love what you guys are doing. Please keep doing it. It makes my day brighter every time you put a video. Begging you to watch the Braves.
As a counter-point, here the first base umpire ruins a perfect game: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dqjSlQdaXwE.html What's mysterious about this call is that the play is not even close. The runner is out by one full step. It denied the pitcher a place in baseball history. Maybe the ump was checking his social media when the play happened.
It's actually, in my opinion, the other way around, or you've got it backwards. Calling balls and strikes is EASIER in and out. Why? The plate is 17" inches wide. It was yesterday, is today, will be tomorrow. The baseball is 3" wide (actually just a tad smaller but let's just say 3".) Add it up, the pitcher has 23" inches available horizontally to throw a strike. That NEVER changes, in theory (a 12-0 ballgame in the bottom of the last inning, the plate DOES get wider, sorry, that's just reality) from batter to batter. Up and down though, vertically, the strike zone changes, depending on the height of the batter. Doesn't change much but it DOES change/vary, especially in younger age groups. For example, 14yr olds. One batter may be 6' foot tall, the next 5' foot tall. That's a big difference, at the top of the zone (chest area) and the bottom (at the knees.) I've been umpiring 34 yes, from high level college to 7-8 yr olds, and I have always struggled more, being consistent, calling pitches up and down than in and out. That's the key though. If an umpire has a bias, is willing to reach for a pitch out of the zone, whether that be off the plate outside (not ridiculously outside) or down in the zone, BE CONSISTENT, for BOTH TEAMS/PITCHERS!!! The batters will figure it out and adjust. My biggest goal is to NEVER take the bat out of the batter's hands. Just my humble opinion 👍!
Angel Hernandez has only umpired one game this whole season so far, so that's why you haven't seen him. As for where he has been this whole time, I don't actually know.
The thing is in baseball the ump has unlimited power and is always right and can throw people out of games for no reason and say they felt like throwing them out as the reason and with all that power lots of umps just fucking blatantly cheat and fix games and are scum, its a fresh change of pace to see someone try to get calls right
It’s a lot of knee action, some of the older umps may not have the agility anymore. But batters and pitchers shouldn’t have to suffer wrong calls because of it
The newer generation of umpires will do this because it is EXTREMELY difficult and competitive to get to MLB in the first place, so they have to be very, very, very good at calling balls and strikes to even get there. Most of the worst umpires at calling balls/strikes are older umpires. They are protected by the union so they have very little incentive to improve
