Broadsword Online, do any of these changes for PvP. 

@Montrose7106 nerfing guard makes tank almost irrelevant. In higher tier matches, the guard can easily be gone through. With that change, it'd almost always be gone through. The whole idea of support is to save players from basically bad play. Enforcing a no tab meta would be awful and, in general, would never save anyone from someone like me. That is not fun. The current way guard work isn't damage reduction. That feature only existed in pve if it still does. As for pvp, it's a split of 50%, while the tank can mitigate that 50%, it's not always possible. This is why, anytime, it's not a burst match tanks are often the first to fall over because they take majority of the damage since hitting into guard isn't really stopping their damage but rather increasing the rate the tank will die. It takes proper kiting, finesse, and dcd management to handle that from both the tank and rest of the team to consistently live. When it comes to burst it matters more about being able to constantly split your pressure and hit off guard in efforts to put them behind, lowering their damage greatly at the same time due to the amount of gcds spent guard swapping. Both have their own style, and playing around guard isn't quite the most difficult part, its more so the damage they bring. While in higher tier matches, it's not as bad, it's like an impossible wall for casuals while still maintaining high pressure through damage. Pt has a good loss of damage due to its profile requiring stacking. Sin loses its main burst passive in favor of durability, making its single target far less effective, while dep volts shows it's age as the second to last channeled ability left on melee. Meanwhile, juggernaut only suffers in terms of mitigating as most of their stuff is all in the damage bucket. Too much so, in my opinion. It was the video I recommend at the end where I talk about healers, iirc. Adding in an aoe heal or a beneficial setbonus for healers is a minor buff, giving them more options. Which is mainly what they need. Alternatively, trauma is an option to go to help rebalance tanks and give more power to trauma talents on dps. Either way, they do it. Each healer needs something different. Their output should not just barely match one dps. That's just pitiful. This is why I recommended DR for operative so it does not fall over as it's aoe is already good. An aoe option for sorc, so it finally has a decent set bonus option that only helps every 30s and requires semi stacking and finesse to use. (Resurge/reviv gains unnatural pres heal if used while applied - it was bugged ingame at one point and was going to be a dxun set) then something like old kolto missile or energy shield explosion like old meteor brawler giving heals to those who are nearby. Giving mercs an option to heal their allies even better in a clump. None of this would let them survive pyro, slam spam, and most other well performing aoes. But it would allow two of them to survive one of these guys if there's no other damage really going out. With the exception of slam spamming, that stuff is too strong. The only real survival a tank can do is the lack of pressure on one's team. They're all quite killable, now more than ever. Damage going down for not guarding is something I've wanted for ages as most pugs never use their guard. Multiple tanks are often the issue that arises when games feel like they're unplayable or unable to kill anything. When it comes to playing tank correctly, it involves taunting, supporting, guarding, cc. ccing high priority, and controlling those who are the most threat while still being possible to control. For example, a pt tank isn't stopping a lightning sorc too well. Having pug matches go down to just one tank allows that tanks' incredible impact (they are the most impactful, it's not even a debate) to be much more tame. It's an 8v8, and after all and far, too much control is given to them. However, just nerfing them makes arena suffer more (the most competitive mode left) and brings us closer to brain dead gameplay of never hitting tab, never caring about strategy and in general never needing to critically think because it'd essentially devolve into a damage simulator. Trust me on this, myself and many others would dominate the game even harder if this was going to happen. It would be a nightmare as dps would be the most important thing of the team. We already have devastating groups that abuse matchmaking with mostly only dps groups I'm talking 3 to 6 dps players and nothing else in said group. It often sends them against pugs since there's no support there. I truly would hate to see toxic groups like that gain power and relevance in meta play. While there's more I can say, this is already a lot to read. Nobody will really agree, but my take is that the core fundamentals still exist for a reason, and it's part of its charm versus games like wow. The moment you change them, the game isn't the same. Including the fact that we have issues now is not stemming from the core mechanics either. But rather, failure to prune equally, let alone, increase healing much since 5.0. Damage went from 11k ish to over 36k in 7.0. Healing has gone up barely 6 to 10k.. it's not crazy to want heals easier to play and another option for output with the amount of explosive aoe possible nowadays. Those are simply the facts of the reality we live in, and to be honest for a moment, the whole idea of changing guard or removing tank in a way most people beg for or despise tanks, simply don't know how to play around them & do not understand how negatively impacting it would be if it was followed through with. A good example is my rage game where I take far above 10m and the game plan for the enemy was only tunnel me for the most part. A tank would have prevented and turned the tides there but barely change the outcome if the enemy had one.

@@CeaseFaith I think tanks problems is that is has too many defensives to go through currently along with mainly Jug skank DMG being ridiculously high for a tank. Tanks become just unkillable when paired with a pocket healer, I've done it before on hypergate where I survived multiple snipers and sorcs focusing me as VG tank just because I was guarding and had essentially a pocket sorc healer. The "Anti tank" specs or at least the classes designed to combat heavy armor classes are in a really terrible spot right now. -Arsenal and mainly merc in general cannot kite or shut down a tank. Their DMG mainly running burning bright can do decent chunks but it becomes pointless when all it takes is a jug leaping on you and you cannot essentially effectively get away. -Marksman is just straight up fluff with no killing power, sure the kiting is a bit better with the root on leg shot and penetrating blasts but it cannot kill a tank (Or really any other spec for that matter). -Carnage is mixed, I haven't had much 1v1 with tanks recently while playing as carnage. But from my Experiance the spec is in a decent spot right now overall. But I imagine it can probably do decent. That leaves imo only one actual spec that can combat tanks, Engineer sniper. The broken ranged meta spec currently. I like engi but I just hate how its really only played nowadays for ionic nuke tactical. If we wanna talk DPS specs that are broken, - AP is stupidly absurd with its opening burst; no other class can output that much DMG in that short amount of time compared to AP. Not to mention they gave the spec the 100% crit chance on power yield that was a tactical back in 6.0 as a mainline right now. -Engi has already been stated with its ridiculous DMG. -Madness has insane self healing from its passives and life steal. -Rage is just a slightly less powerful AP but with better defensives. Generally though the core issue goes back to premades. Most premades are going to Q with a dedicated healer and tank (often jug skank tank). Alongside their members playing the meta specs that are currently broken. So not only do you have to deal with the meta classes you have to deal with 6 players running the meta classes. Its completely unfair and gives no chance at all to the vast majority of casual PVP'ers who are solo Q's. I question what the Dev's were thinking allowing this to be a thing back when they made the change to group size back in 7.2. In short the really only way players can beat these meta specs is to play the meta. It promotes an unhealthy team balancing when half or more of your team is say juggernauts. It takes away from class diversity. Not to mention people saying they skill gap of players is low, which yes it has declined massively but the people that are legit trying cannot learn if they are being tunneled by a 6 man comp on the other team. It just discourages players and often times just promotes the gameplay of "run circles around the death ball and cap the points to win". Lot to say but I think its what a lot of players are feeling right now.

@Montrose7106 Tanks defensives are meant to be used for the team to help mitigate damage from guarding. Aka, playing the role correctly. When played selfishly, yes, it's overbearing, and the average player fails at dealing with it. Arsenal, marksman and carnage were never anti tank nor designed to take them down they simply have armor penetrative passives or actives to help them take everyone down easier - specifically speaking off tank roles who have heavy armor. Sure, none of them are doing as well as they should, but it's not hard to tell why. Primed ignition is a must in pve as it agitating energies, and the specs are balanced around that. They're both uptime tacticals barely applicable to pvp. Carnage has the issues of marauder, which is over pruning. Damage is there, and survival is not. AP should have never gotten a reset on energy burst by pressing power yield. It's hands down the main factor, making it unrivaled in burst. It should be more focused on being a defensive rather than a reset button when that said ability is already an auto critical and doesn't get used up if it misses. Engi is out of control because they've seemingly forgot the class has an ability, like laze target, giving them a free auto critical. Adding 50 percent more damage to that breaks every class in the game. Not exclusive to sniper, sniper just happens to have it. Keep in mind it's not even just the 170k hit but also the sabotage damage hitting at the same time for 40k plus, on average, giving you nearly a 200k hit on average. It is absurdly busted. Madness just shouldn't have a death brand. It's one of the main factors making it a trivial class tied with the healing it receives from it, which, if you did not know, heals each time it's reapplied. Players running the death field are much easier to deal with, and in general, the damage reduction offered could see a 1 percent loss per stack to be more in line with other DR availabilities to other classes. Over Nerf , madness fades back into oblivion. Rage doesn't have better defensives, and it's not even a debate. Pyro has the best kit defensively ingame. the only thing coming close is lethality specifically. When it comes to AP, it is merely only comparable. Going through defensives as a dps, I would rather hit a Juggernaut 9/10 times unless I'm a white damage primary dealer, in which case I'd prefer AP.. so there's definitely a bit of bias here, and it's not from me. I love carnage it's been my main forever, I simply just don't play it cause it makes me sad, but none of my played hours compare to the hours I have on carnage. As for premades, the limit should have never been raised. Its impact on pvp has nearly killed it as a whole. There's only one group I know that abuses mm and plays specifically cheesy meta, so I wouldn't just bandaid it to all. Regardless, it's unhealthy for the player base. The change was likely allowed for mass conquest farming as a guild, which it is likely abused to get fast conquest when queues die on other servers. It's sad that this is even thought of. Conquest is more competitive than pvp these days, and people resort to fake 8s to do it. Class diversity has been an issue for as long as I can remember. I don't see that changing, but I could see at least a meta shift and limit being added back. Some might think it doesn't matter, but I've been there and done that with every dps spec, and I'm bored. Change anything, and my interest is back. For those who were hopelessly addicted to gambling solo ranked odds, it was never about competition for most. Competition can still be found in 8v8s, including handicaping yourself to further increase the challenge as I have done so myself. The only issue is that the playability after a while becomes abysmal because of premade sizes. I cannot tell you how many times I have personally gone against 6 to 8 with a rp guild 4 to 5 man on my team only to be singled out the entire game and punished for playing the game at all. Sadly, this is mobile, so formatting is hard.

nobody cares about 4v4 ranked arenas just stop talking about it.

@@ofensatul oh, ok. go regs warzones!!!