Bruckner - Symphony no.9: Finale (Samale-Phillips-Cohrs-Mazzuca, reconstruction 2008) (part 3 of 3)

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I thought people might be interested in this. If you are, go and purchase the CD. This RU-vid version has been deliberately encoded at low resolution.
Bruckner left substantial sketches for the Finale of his 9th symphony, with the entire movement mapped out. Some fully orchestrated, some in sketch. Sadly a number of the pages of this sketch were distributed as souvenirs on his death, and still not all have been recovered. The extant sketches have been the subject of work for the last 20 years by a few different sholars in an attempt to provide some kind of satisfying performing edition. This track is the latest of such attempts, which has been developing by these scholars since 1983. The 2008 revision includes the latest finds of missing pages of the sketches by Bruckner.
I find this attempt at a performing version of the sketches to be very exciting, and in no way takes away from the quality of the sublime slow movement immediately before it. However, in parts 2 and 3 I personally find some of the writing still a little confused, particularly in the articulation of the fugal section.
This third part of the movement contains the fewest of Bruckners extant pages of sketch, the coda still not being known in sketch. The final few pages have been discovered though, but the last few bars are missing and have been supplied by the shcolars. There is a good deal of hearsay testimony that Bruckner intended that (and had worked out the way in which) the coda was to combine several themes from earlier in this symphony as well as from other previous works of his.
This is the Musikalisches Akademie des Nationaltheater-Orchesters Mannheim conducted by Friedheim Layer in 2008.

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@mrsneaky2010 13 лет назад

Indeed a very exciting and triumphal conclusion...cannot bring myself to think that AB would have rounded that final coda off so easily and as straightforward as that, considering the sheer weight and drama of the previous three movements...a great experiment all the same..

@sjlevine34 13 лет назад

My apologies for the multiple postings of the same thing. I am just getting the hang of this site. Incidentally, thanks for posting the clip.

@iduefoscari 12 лет назад

@CannonfireVideo I am going to Berlin in February to hear the latest completion of the 9th with the Berln Philharmonic conducted by Simon Rattle.The new final coda I believe will make this into the classical music event of this century if not the last 50 years. The final " Hallelujah" that Bruckner's doctor reported to be the clinching movement of the work is when trumpets in unison play in D Major the theme that begins the adagio.I suspect this to be the musical event of my life

@shantihealer 8 лет назад

The proof of the pudding is in the listening and having heard all the finales on RU-vid plus the earlier SPCM verson of 1992 recorded by Wildner, there is no doubt for me - the Wildner version sounds the most fitting, uplifting and triumphant. Without the finale being played at all, the 9th symphony goes out on a note of submission, resignation, melancholy. How inappropriate is that for the end of a great Bruckner symphony, let alone the entire cycle? His symphonies ALWAYS end with a resounding, affirmative 4th movement. When you watch performances of the 9th that end with the 3rd movement you can feel a heavy, sad, dragging energy that the audience have to recover from to give their applause. How unBrucknerian is that! The codas of Bruckner's finales always blaze it up in an apotheosis of life-affirming glory. So it must be with his final symphony. This Layer performance is great and satisfying. Wildner's even greater.

@CannonfireVideo 12 лет назад

Contrary to d60944, I love this finale. I count what we have (and we have most of it) among Bruckner's finest creations. If we had all grown up with a three-movement 8th, how would we react to a newly-discovered fourth movement? As for Bruckner's endless revising: Sometimes he got it right the first time. Think of symphony #3, mov. 1, 1873 version. Later versions cut out the best stuff! One of the excised themes from the 3rd is used in this finale -- what I call the "Gabriel's Trumpet" theme.

@winebird1 13 лет назад

the more i hear this reconstruction ,the more it fits in with the other 3 movements.when you have been used to listening to the published 9th,,its hard to accept. anything added to the end.,

@iduefoscari 13 лет назад

sjlevine34- Its good to read your comments.I adore Bruckners Music. How I wish he was well enough to have completed the fourth movenent of his greatest symphony.Stephen Johnson the great Bruckner expert says that maybe its best that Bruckner did not complete the symphony, because in his mental and physical state he was not up to it, anyway not in a saticfactory manner. Zimmer has over 2 Million "hits" on his ending to "Da Vinci" on You Tube. And its just late Bruckner minimilism.

@StokesDaddy 11 лет назад

wow, Bruckner took us into the future with this one.. he said, the heck with it.. were going into space.. lolol

@HuninMunin 12 лет назад

@iduefoscari (con.) Also want to point out that this here is not Carragan's attempt at (re)composing a finale but the most up to date recording of the much more faithfull Samale/Mazzuca/Phillips/Cohrs completion, working from the entirety of the avaiable sketches ( work in progress, it was amended just this year ). This 2011 - supposedly final - version with an entirely new coda had it's world premier on October 15th and will be given at Carnegie Hall on February 24th by the BPO under Rattle.

@belianis 13 лет назад

Please excuse me if I emphasize something that is obvious to everybody who knows music. A piece of music is always arranged in a pattern that is clear to even the first time listener. For ex, the first theme is often repeated at the end, thus creating the very familiar A-B-A and A-B-A-C-A arrangements. Bruckner's style is very distinctive, and that combined with the sketches that he left behind gives a very good idea of how this symphony should end.

@ChrissysVideokids 8 лет назад

Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@sjlevine34 13 лет назад

I strongly disagree with d60944. This finale ties the symphony together in that it is a statement of resurrection. Incidentally, this clip is from the recapitulation. I have been listening to the SPCM reconstruction of this movement as performed byJohannes Wildner and the Westphalia New Philharmonic Orchestra. And it is fantastic. I incidentally have this recording on order.

@d60944 13 лет назад

@iduefoscari The number of missing bars is known almost precisely: 223 of a probable total of 665. The 442 extant bars are substantial chunks of continuous music, mostly in full orchestration, and as long as eight or nine minutes, separated by gaps of only 8 or 16 or 24 bars. Not only that, sketches and revised sketches, in various states of completion, exist for 127 of those 223 missing bars, leaving only 96 bars, most of them in the coda, for which nothing in Bruckner's hand survives.

@iduefoscari 13 лет назад

As a final comment from me. I have written that Hans Zimmer must of been inspired with the minimilistic music composed maybe by Bruckner or William Carragan towards the end of the finale after the reprise of the chorale,well I will go even further ! As a devotion to faith, Zimmers "Chevalliers De Sangreall" is a fitting ending to the end of the Bruckner 9 as a Coda !!!!!

@sjlevine34 13 лет назад

@LordEpicure 11 лет назад

I do like this one more than Rattle's recording.

@hamuki88 9 лет назад

I love 7:03〜

@iyadkanaan5991 4 года назад

It's intriguing that the descending theme at 3:47 in all versions, isn't exploited enough as it should have been. I guess we hear it only once in this version?

@sjlevine34 13 лет назад

@iduefoscari, its a recap of the exposition section, which, to my ear currently, seems to have 4 parts. I will admit that I posted my comment before I noticed that this clip was part 3 of 3, for which I apologize. I just received my CD of the Wildner performance and am now listening to the movement repeatedly to fully understand it and memorize as much as possible. I have the Harnoncourt and Layer recordings (of which this clip is a part, on order.

@iduefoscari 12 лет назад

@HuninMunin Yes-you are of course correct.There is a very interesting new clip" Bruckner in Hollwood" I like very much what the contributer suggests.

@AdrianGagiu-composer 12 лет назад

@lewars1912 Maybe I picked the wrong word, it is grand of course, but too short, at least for me. I've always felt it needed more space to unfold and leave its mark after the stormy C minor of the Finale.

@iduefoscari 13 лет назад

I do not believe that this finale can be played after the preceeding movements.Bruckner would of not ended the third movement with his "farewell to life" if he was going to follow it with smething like this reconstruction. I believe the third movement would of ended something like in the dissonance of the "hellish" music we get before the "farewell".I reiterate if this finale is played as a" curiosity" that fine.BUT not as a finale to the greatest three movements in the symphonic repertory.

@d60944 13 лет назад

@iduefoscari I often find Bruckner's exisiting finales somewhat "problematic", and I'm not alone in that. Do you feel all the exisiting finales of the (for example) 6th to 8th symphonies are exempt from any criticism?

@d60944 12 лет назад

@CannonfireVideo Yes, this performance could be better (if you hear the other movements in the same recording, likewise none are as captivating as the best performances). However, I think this remains for the moment the best actual *music* in all the completions of the Finale, performance quality aside. Eichorn used the Samale et al version from 1992 unfortunately, thrilling though his brass sound is (don't you think he's a bit slow-paced too though???)

@iduefoscari 13 лет назад

The magnificient "original" Bruckner Chorale is just not enough to make this finale sound authentic. Yes there is other dissonant,fragmented Bruckner music , more akin to the very early symphonies, but most of this is not of the quality we have heard in the previous three movements.I can listen and enjoy this "finale" by itself. But not as a part of the Bruckner 9. Zimmer must of heard the earlier version of this for his inspiration for the final part of his score for The Da Vinci Code.

@HuninMunin 12 лет назад

@iduefoscari Stephen Johnson can get right in line with the people who think that the Prestissimo closing bars of the 9th Beethoven are the result of his deafness. Joking aside, I'm guessing into the dark here but maybe give the Te Deum another reading. This right here might then make a great deal of sense ( as will Bruckner's wish to play the Te Deum in substitution). I also strongly agree with the kind uploader, the performence here is good but not quite first rate.

@d60944 12 лет назад

@CannonfireVideo Oh it's not me who doesn't love this! I think it's great :-)

@d60944 12 лет назад

@CannonfireVideo PS I kind of wish that Letocart would get together with Samale et al and add his ideas into the mix before it gets too set in stone.

@iduefoscari 13 лет назад

@d60944 In my opinion the coda of the fifth is his finest ending. The last movement of the eighth is very special. The themes from each movement piled up on each other in fuge is amazing and this what he would of done in the 9th I believe, but in my opinion through ill health he could not achieve. I find the last movement of the 7th not up to quality of the rest of the symphony. As for the sixth. The first movement is one of Bruckners greatest achievements. The chorale coda is heavenly

@lewars1912 12 лет назад

@ImperXVIII You think the last movement of Bruckner's 4th Symphony doesn't have a grand enough coda?

@Dima4702 13 лет назад

I am sure that he wrote this piece, for sure))))))))))))

@JimTLonW6 10 лет назад

I think in fairness to the editors it has to be said that all of the 9th is a first draft and would probably have been revised had Bruckner lived. At the very least we are able to hear a realisation of what Bruckner did manage to compose; we may never know how 'authentic' the completion is. Personally I think AB did complete it, went for a walk in the garden, and God then called in the bargain. The missing coda was on the top of Bruckner's papers and was given to someone as a souvenir. Maybe it's around somewhere.

@thebones 9 лет назад

you're joking about the god comment aren't you?

@JimTLonW6 9 лет назад

AB reputedly prayed to God to be given strength to finish his 9th, and I've seen comments that he thought he had a bargain with God that he would in fact live long enough to finish it. All a bit apocryphal no doubt, but it does make a good story!

@duke222222 9 лет назад

Wylye_guy This isn't surprising given the "curse of the ninth", and that those superstitions would turn an already deeply religious composer into one who wanted nothing more than to finish a symphony that this silly curse idea said would be his last. I suspect his ill health at the time had as much to do with it.

@danielzarb-cousin8074 7 лет назад

He did. Dr. Heller heard him say it allowed after praying at his rosary. He would ask for it after the formal prayer.

@marcmailly8176 5 лет назад

Par rapport à Wildner, qui dirige la version 1992 de cette reconstruction, le chef prend ici un tempo un peu moins alerte, mais la coda sonne mieux. L'on finit l'Halleluia en mode majeur.

@Dima4702 12 лет назад

Viva Anton Bruckner)!!!

@AdrianGagiu-composer 12 лет назад

The reconstructed Finale doesn't match the highest quality as it's manifested in the previous movements, although it's great music and the scholarly work put in it is of course admirable. It's just the 'Bruckner finales problem': he starts on such high an altitude that anything in the finales seems less convincing. Maybe if the 4th had a grander and more extended coda... Even in the 5th he 'obviously tries too much', but there's an extraordinarily ecstatic coda. Anyway, who are we to judge him?

@user-qz3lh6nx1g 9 лет назад

Oh, rhythum from Scherzo！

@CannonfireVideo 12 лет назад

@d60944 Sorry! I responded to the wrong party. I just heard this performance. It's good, but the Eichhorn is FAR better. Performance counts for much here. The original Talmi recording of Carragan's completion is much more persuasive than is Carragan's revised version, rendered by Soudant. A German calling himself 9Bruckner has provided a good RU-vid upload of the ultra-rare Eichhorn disc

@iduefoscari 13 лет назад

@sjlevine34 Yes this clip is from the recapitulation, but a recapitulation of what? Apart from the Chorale ,in my opinion there is nothing of substance in anything like to what we have heard in the first three movements. .I would sooner listen to the ending of Hans Zimmers The Da Vinci Code which was obviously" inspired" by some of William Carragans efforts. Because the best music after the Chorale is the Bruckner "style" music that Carragan composed for this last movement.

@HuninMunin 12 лет назад

@iduefoscari Indeed an interesting point of view, thank you for sharing. For a complete thorough discussion of the mysterious "Halleluja" motif I can wholeheartely recommend giving the latest essay concerning the 2011 completion of the finale a shot. abruckner . com/Data/articles/articlesEnglish/cohrsB9finale/Cohrs_BG_Introduction_SPCM2011_111015.pdf Page 41 if you don't feel like reading the whole thing.

@CannonfireVideo 12 лет назад

@d60944 I'm a Celi fan. Ain't no such thing as too slow in Bruckner. As I understand it, Eichhorn made some additions of his own, rendering his version unique (which may explain why the disc has not been reissued). I still prefer it. The difference between SPCM '92 and SPCM '11 is not THAT great. In both versions, I think they chose the wrong Hallelujah theme. In my "Bruckner in Hollywood" video, I offer another suggestion. OK, I have to admit it: The Eichhorn 5th really IS too slow.

@kaigunther4332 6 лет назад

Friedemann Layer

@sjlevine34 13 лет назад

I also might add that this site is still giving me problems. it seems to be inconsistent in letting you know when you have successfully posted something. The reply above is my second try, having lost the first one.

@moosatious 13 лет назад

This "farewell to life" nonsense is just that. Some silly critic came up with that, who knows when. It's certainly nothing I've ever heard attributed to Bruckner himself. If he really wanted the 9th to end after the third movement, why did he struggle to complete the finale? I've been listening to Bruckner 40 years. I can tell you without any hesitation that this finale is his masterpiece. As to using themes from previous works, he went further that that. Like the opening motive of Haydn 104

@marcmailly8176 5 лет назад

Comme avec Letocart, il y a une coda de la coda, l’Halleluia. Mais Letocart finit l’Halleluia à partir du trio du scherzo, et le crescendo va fracasser les portes du paradis

@InMaLa 8 лет назад

Ugh It's like being stuck in a traffic jam in India

@Dima4702 13 лет назад

Anton the great)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

@gajirosato4101 8 лет назад

枯れ草や　夢は枯野を　駈けめぐる　　　　　松尾芭蕉

@bruckner4444 13 лет назад

This is not Bruckner, lees the old Bruckner, sorry.

@Haydnthegenius 12 лет назад

The coda is unconvincing. The rest is fine.

@alessandra6907 11 лет назад

un insulto a bruckner questo scempio

@d60944 13 лет назад

@iduefoscari Bear in mind that better conductors could do much more with this reconstruction..... the symphony as a whole in this recording is not a profound reading. It is good, certainly, but not on the level of the finest interpretations. I am not prepared to judge as harshly as you are....

@Fritz_Maisenbacher 11 лет назад

The whole production of the late Beethoven was the result of his deafness , because he was free from hearing comments of people like Stephen Johnson .