Brudiclad vs Geralf vs Trostani vs Zur EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering 

Haha oops! Didn't even realize this. Thanks for the catch! I unfortunately don't have this Zur deck together anymore, as this was filmed before Astral Drift was printed. Should've definitely checked the Oracle on Naked Singularity though!

Oh no!

He didn't miss the cumulative upkeep triggers though, the solemnity means permanents can't get age counters, so you can just pay 0 each time.

Solemnity was still on the field so cumulative upkeep doesn’t put any age counters on the enchantment.

Solemnity stops the Cumulative Upkeep triggers, as the cumulative upkeep triggers don't actually happen. The rest is right though yeah.

Can u tell me how to explain this in a game? The first part I mean. Is really interesting and changes my decade worth of playing. I feel like saying I don’t have to announce something would raise concerns of cheating or something like that.

Midd Knight oh sure! So this applies specifically to cards that don’t target, like Council’s Judgement, or something with an etb trigger like Pithing Needle don’t have their choices named until resolution. So if someone casts a council’s judgement, because it doesn’t target, it goes onto the stack without the choice being named. If someone has a fetch land in play and you cast a pithing needle, your opponent should crack the fetchland before needle enters or you can name the land and lock it up. But if they do crack the land, you don’t need to name the card until the needle resolves is the key so if an opponent isn’t paying attention you can get them. You don’t have to give away your intent by naming a target before hand. In this case with Brudiclad, I believe artisan was the only choice so it was obvious to kill it. But if he had an artisan and some other target, once Brudiclad triggers, opponents of Brudiclad need to react at that moment. You can’t blow out the Brudiclad trigger if that makes sense. Killing the target would normally make a trigger fizzle, but because it doesn’t target, the owner of the Brudiclad trigger gets to make the choice during the resolution. That’s more difficult to explain than I thought, but I hope it makes sense.

@@danriemer9724 i got i question he read "Then you may choose a token you control." do you still get the trigger even if the creature die ???

44emf yep. The first thing that happens with Brudiclad is you make a token. The next thing is you choose something for your tokens to become a copy of or you leave them as Myrs, and there is no chance to do anything between those two actions happening. So you just have to announce that your trigger is going on the stack. Your opponents need to react now and guess what you may turn your tokens in to if they want to remove something. If they remove one of your token copies, then you can simply choose a different one during the trigger resolution. If they killed your only other token or killed the only thing worth while to turn in to, then you just get to create a 2/1 myr and keep everything else as is.

@@danriemer9724 If his text said Target, instead of choose, would that be a case where they could respond?

Good eye! We didn't realize that at the time sadly.

Thanks! Trying to fill out the deck with em but they're a bit hard to find

Yeah I just noticed that, I had remembered Slinn Voda as bouncing each other creature instead of sea creatures. Oh well.

@@maximilianallen3132 shouldn't you have gotten 7? You had 7 faerie artisans, right? How did you not get 7 Slinn?

@@aaronr539 Legend rule. He would've gotten seven and would then have to sacrifice all but one.

Ulamog was the perfect answer though, and copying the rec sage was also a clever play. I wonder if the Geralf player knew it was coming.

I bet the one you don't have is Geralf, he's my first commander.

Good to know! Thankfully I don't play against NS all that much lol

Off the top of my head, Requiem Angel goes infinite with a sac outlet and either Divine Visitation or Conspiracy (naming anything other than spirits). Pawn of Ulamog doesn't have any infinite combos that I know of but it is a payoff of sorts for other sacrifice loops.

Infinite what, exactly? Tokens? Mana? Sacrifice fodder?

@@DarkEinherjar tokens

and colorless mana

It adds that text tapping for green or white to each land, not replacing what is there. So his plains had “tap for red” via replacement and then “tap for green or white” via the rift.

@@Vian888 I was thinking it was something like Contamination

It doesn't, actually. The Oracle text for Naked Singularity says "instead of any other type."

@@DarkEinherjar it's very confusing... Judge!

Yes. Riftstone Portal adds another mana ability, but regardless of which you activate, Naked Singularity will replace it with adding the specified color.

Slinn Voda is legendary.

He misread the card and thought it was every creature. Either way, Max would only keep ONE Slinn Voda token because of the legend rule.

I'll ask Martin to come and make a comment!

@@MTGMuddstah Please do, It was an awesome deck that I'm very interested in looking at.

The deck is gone by now, and so is the decklist, apparently.

@@DarkEinherjar Sadness

As long as you don't run Naked Singularity, Decree of Silence, and Solemnity you'll be asked to play a 2nd round at your Game Store.

Been there...I played WAAAAY too few lands...like 36 in every deck. It made drawing lands hard 😭

I agree! I had a Brudiclad deck together for a awhile and would never really cast him unless I had some form of protection or a juicy token ready to go. While it’s a ton of fun to swing with 20 Hellriders or Bane of Bala Geds, I found it was too difficult to balance token producers, threats, and copy spells, and took the deck apart. You really need all three in a game to be effective, and if you don’t find one of the three parts the deck feels pretty weak.

@@danriemer9724 Exactly. Brudi is my favorite deck. I call it "Fluffy Kitten / Murderbot 5000" because it can produce 60 power on turn 5 or over 50k on turn 10. But otherwise it's a fluffy kitten after a couple board wipes.

i dislike the cycling version more than the stax version lol

bump

I'd not say there were infinite. Maybe one?

@@MTGMuddstah It was just hyperbole muddstah. I still love you and gave it a thumbs up. Still the best content on the web for EDH. You are the king of EDH content my man, I tend to speak big when talking about the king. The peon in me comes out. Don't take it to heart.

@@mattshuey1 I don't take it to heart, so no worries! I just prefer constructive comments when it comes to misplay. Just calling things out can make people feel bad, which may make it so they don't want to come back. That's just something to keep in mind.

@@MTGMuddstah I did not think of your metrics at all when posting. That was my mistake. I have edited the post. To anyone reading I did this because I love the content and want to see it for years to come.

mattshuey1 I appreciate your comment and willingness to understand my point of view. It’s really kind of you!

He would only have one in the end because of the legend rule, but yeah.

I don't think so... aside from the Solemnity + Decree of Silence lock, it looked pretty fair to me. I dig the Cycling theme.

Hate to break it to you but that’s not what won him the game

@@BangThatGong Doesn't matter how he won when he already cheated by using an illegal card.

Ben is right. & people make mistakes.. lol.. chill. 🤦🏽‍♂️

Lots of people made "mistakes" and yet they got DQed for it.