Brushed versus Brushless motor comparison

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Choosing between a brushed and brushless electric motor is not easy in some RC categories. For the scale crawling community, each style motor has its advantages and disadvantages. In this video, John Holmes of HolmesHobbies.com explains the basic differences between Brushed and Brushless motors and their specifc use in radio control crawlers and scale trail rigs. John will discuss features, plus the pros and cons to each type of motor.
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@MegaIslandboy671 5 лет назад

Its dudes like Jon that make this great hobby even greater

@HolmesHobbies 5 лет назад

Thank you sir!

@bartsshorts 8 лет назад

i wanted to actually see a side by side video of this slow speed examples.

@HolmesHobbies 8 лет назад

we are working on this for a future release. thanks for the suggestion!

@BarryAbbott 3 года назад

Great Vid need to compare before getting my son and your video explained everything i needed to know, thanks

@dwightplace1224 4 года назад

Thank you for your (good) presentation. I just went from Nicads to Lipo on a stock brushed set up. My run time went from 20 minutes to 55! Speed controller no prob but stock motor toasty hot. Its a late 90's Losi buggy. ESC rated @ 160amps. Not real sure on type of a motor to run. I'm not racing anymore : )

@dakotasnow1174 6 лет назад

Brushless is the way to go, if you can justify the initial cost. This especially true with the new mamba x crawler system.

@hardcoretam 7 лет назад

Hi John. I was thinking as a suggestion for a video is maybe to show one of your own 27t TorqueMaster Pro series motors on a stock truck vs an out the box 27t motor. Maybe some low speed comparisons, stalling comparions, hill climb, top speed etc.

@HolmesHobbies 7 лет назад

That is a great idea, we have added it to the vid to-do list. Thanks!

@GeorgiaKayakAngler Год назад

Received my new HH Magnum today. But my soldering skills have fell off over the years. I was so anxious to run it but I’m still working on the dang soldering part

@mcsebbs 8 лет назад

Thanks! That was exactly what I was looking for, I'm planning on getting the Axial bomber to enter into exile world. All I want to do for now is crawling so this was really helpful.

@mcsebbs 8 лет назад

I hate phones! I meant the rc world

@HolmesHobbies 8 лет назад

+John Mark Dobbs Awesome! We have found that folks are really enjoying the Puller Pro 540 series for the Bomber. Extra motor really helps the startup and torque for the bigger rigs.

@jeffreybentz7097 5 лет назад

Thanx for a great, informative video. I cooked my Titan 21T 550 rr motor in my Traxxas Bronco today. The snow wasn't kind to me today!!! Do you have a recommendation as to what I should replace it with? Any advice will be greatly appreciated, I'm fairly new to the hobby of RCs/crawling Thank You

@HolmesHobbies 5 лет назад

Snow is a pretty tough load. You could go low cost with a TrailMaster Sport 21t 550. That's what I would do before moving to brushless. For brushless, Mamba X and Puller Pro 540 2200kv is my general favorite.

@jeffreybentz7097 5 лет назад

Thanx for the info. I actually did order the TrailMaster which arrived on Sat. Hopefully I'll have time tonight to solder wires and install. Eventually I'll upgrade. I was told that a TrailMaster 12t 550 was coming out soon. Can you confirm that? Again, Thank you

@martylynchian8628 8 лет назад

What type of motor do you recommend for outrunning niggas in the hood with your RC car?

@5tonedFlaming0 7 лет назад

Brushless ma man

@jahmenrcbuildingasone4254 7 лет назад

Marty Lynchian Brushless Gloc 9mm

@imakillyou7892 4 года назад

I use a sensorless brushless system for crawling. Clogging doesn’t really get to me. Adjusting the throttle out put while crawling is crucial

@pitbull82xx 3 года назад

I love crawling, love low speed control of your brushed motors, but I also love alot of wheel speed, I wanna go fast to. What would be a good motor for that?

@MariaMejia-mx6rf 6 лет назад

Thanx a lot bro, i learned a lot 🤔

@HolmesHobbies 6 лет назад

Glad we could help

@Waitingoutside 9 лет назад

A good video, fantastic for noobs like me. However I think real world examples would be great such as actual recommendations. Personally, I had to do a quite a bit of research before I bought the standard Axial 20T brushed motor for my Axial Wraith.

@HolmesHobbies 8 лет назад

+Waiting // Outside Agreed! We wanted to be very general in advice for the first video. Now we need to be more specific in recommendations.

@fyte4luv23 8 лет назад

no bs, simple, & straight to the fuckin point.. thx

@demitrisolvinski 6 лет назад

I have a dual motor brushed setup and I'm looking to upgrade. Would I be able to use 1 brushless and 1 bushed motor in order to get the best of both worlds in low/high-speed efficiency? Or would I be better off to just get 2 brushless when the originals die?

@paultrace3021 9 лет назад

The reason I like brushed motors is that they have less parts to consider and finding the currents path is childs play. A person should (in a perfect world) be able to look at electrical apparatus and see exactly what's going on at a glance.

@ArielsSmartyPants 8 лет назад

What's the best brushless combo for a wraith? I want to crawl but also get some speed out of it too. Probably been asked 2 million times but not by me :) Oh yeah, 2s lipo, small size because ... weight.

@jasonberezny9705 3 года назад

Thanks 👍🤜

@oikiakaeidi 2 года назад

Should I go brushless 3000kv, 50A esc and run it on nimh 7,2volts, 3Ah for 1/10 4×4???? please help me because i can't find something useful anywhere!!!

@slapmetwice4696 7 лет назад

Which is best for mudding

@HolmesHobbies 7 лет назад

if you will clean it, a big brushless like Puller 540 standard. If you wont clean it, a sealed can brushed that is cheap like the TrailMaster Sport.

@cheminica 4 года назад

Hello, i'm new with this RC world, i have a Wltoys 10428 i'm changing all plastic components to metal and i want to change the electronics too... but i'm not sure what is compatible with this RC, can you help me? Thanks

@evhexrc1765 6 лет назад

Nice comparison!

@joneslecones2168 7 лет назад

I bet your dad must be a real comedian - John Homles :P anyways thx for the vid ;)

@timothyandrewnielsen 3 года назад

Why no low power mode for brushless? Best of both worlds.

@soupflood 9 лет назад

Brushless coupled with an optional very low gear defeats brushed in almost every aspect (except price).

@BlvlWmpower 4 года назад

crazy that these new brushless systems with special drag brakes..they make a weird ass constant noise, but it's amazing.

@suomenpresidentti 7 лет назад

What lube to use on brushless motor bearings?

@HolmesHobbies 7 лет назад

Thin motor oil works well. 0w or 5w.

@BGnation573 4 года назад

Are the magnums in stock

@ferrarod 4 года назад

Is there a motor suggestion that can handle a very high gear ratio (large pinion, small spur) so that it doesn't get bogged down on acceleration, and still hits a high top speed? Not looking for it to be quick off the line for racing, just a personal preference.

@HolmesHobbies 4 года назад

PUller Pro 540 is a very hoss motor.

@jamesmartin3533 3 года назад

Now I'm highly confused do I want to get a brushed motor or brushless motor this video didn't really help me it is more or less confused me of which motor do I need?

@HolmesHobbies 3 года назад

Both are great choices. For budget you can't beat brushed.

@wasabithegosu 7 лет назад

How does a TorqueMaster 540 27t have the same wheel speed as a CrawlMaster 540 13t?

@HolmesHobbies 7 лет назад

changing slot and/or pole count can change the turns needed to create a specific Kv. In brushless, a similar example would be trailmaster 3300 is 8.5 wye and Puller Pro Stubby 3300 is 3.5 wye.

@wasabithegosu 7 лет назад

Please excuse my stupidity on the matter but what is a "wye"?

@gaelangarrett7385 8 лет назад

How does the puller pro 540 3500 stack up to say a tekin pro4 of about the same kv?

@HolmesHobbies 8 лет назад

Much longer rotor inside the Puller Pro 540. It would be more fair to compare it with a Pro4 HD.

@gaelangarrett7385 8 лет назад

+HolmesHobbies awesome! It's ordered and almost ready to ship (shipping label created) I messed up and ordered it as well as the CC Mmp but I chose the option to solder the bullet connectors onto to the motor leads, but as it turns out, that's only required for the mamba X and it's 6.5mm connections.

@CarminesRCTipsandTricks 5 лет назад

I'm sticking with Brushed.... Unless I win the lottery!!! There's NO cheap, GOOD Brushless Systems. My TenShock 1750kv Sensorless 6 Pole 9 Slot and Hobbywing WL10BL120 ESC comes close, but has limitations. My Brushed Systems (especially yours!!), does what I need it to! ..... After 2 Years of great service though, my BR-XL ESC is now cutting out sporadically. Just stops, no lights, no sound, nothing. Then after a while, it starts working, then cuts out again. I'm running your 30 Turn Brushed Handwound TorqueMaster.... What did I Screw Up? I can't even afford to send it to you to take a look. Carmine 🚂 🚙

@HolmesHobbies 5 лет назад

Hmm, that's a weird one. I would wonder if your battery plug is just needing some love. That's typically where the sporadic power comes from. Especially when deans get wore out. A sidewinder 4 would boost that tenshock back into shape. Startup won't be amazing, but it will be a lot better than the HW.

@CarminesRCTipsandTricks 5 лет назад

I really, REALLY want a Sidewinder 4!!! My tiny Disability Pay says no.... Hopefully at some point. I will STILL Count on my BR-XL to handle my Brushed Duties! Hmmmmm.... Deans Plugs... I've heard of that. I thought that the XT60 Craze was just another "Cool Kids" thing. However, I bought 2 packages of XT60 Plugs last year, and haven't installed one yet. There's one NO cost thing I can try first! 😉👍👍 ..... Right now, I had to install a $17.99 GOOLRC "320 Amp" ESC. It works, in the way that it goes forward and reverse... But that's ALL it does! Thanks John! I'll try the XT60 Plugs.

@dumplingsquads2674 8 лет назад

I have a electric off road racer Dark Impact.......I noticed that when the motor runs, the section between the brush and the contact point sparks vigorously which I don't like. is there a solution .....should I swap it?

@HolmesHobbies 8 лет назад

+oliver goldsmith Brushed motors normally spark a little. This is what wears the brushes down. You may try adding 6 degrees of timing advance to see if your arcing reduces.

@Artic11 9 лет назад

I'm going for brushless motor for my buggy

@Bryan-ot1yz 7 лет назад

I gonna build my very own rc f1 car 2018 season without halo and would want a motor which is fast , which one should i get and can withstand rain

@HolmesHobbies 7 лет назад

Brushless will give you longer runtimes and less maintenance. Our puller Pro 540 is the most power that can be shoved into a 540 can.

@dakotasnow1174 6 лет назад

Most senorless brushless systems are waterproof... nothing is rust proof though and the whole truck should be dryed after use.

@Jarhead1313 5 лет назад

What would be a great motor esc combo for my Axial Wraith Rock Racer that's similar to the stock set up, I like a little crawling, and little trail riding, and I'm happy with the speed the stock set up gives me, I'd like it to be a tad bit faster but dont want to sacrifice the crawling capability the stock set up has. Any advice?

@HolmesHobbies 5 лет назад

2700kv Puller Pro 540 and Mamba X would be a killer combo. I developed the puller pro in the Wraith.

@Jarhead1313 5 лет назад

@@HolmesHobbies Ok cool thanks!

@jacobforrister4789 8 лет назад

Can they both go in water and mud

@jiffywaxjesus1951 8 лет назад

usually yes, most motors are waterproof

@HolmesHobbies 7 лет назад

Yes, but we don't recommend it. For brushed motor, a sealed can type like the TrailMaster Sport is best. Brushless, you just gotta clean them out every time so the bearings and stators doesn't rust.

@richvalentine1889 8 лет назад

Why is the cost so much greater on a brushless motor?

@johnrobholmes 8 лет назад

Higher cost of laminations, higher magnet costs, more difficulty winding, and lack of stamped parts give the brushless motor a higher minimum price. I do make Puller brushed motors that are of similar quality and price, however.

@InvisiMan2006 5 лет назад

Is this information still correct in 2018 or have brushless systems stalled technology wise? (no pun intended)

@HolmesHobbies 5 лет назад

Still pertinent, but there is a more updated version I did ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BcuhdkCucGA.html

@mikemalley1909 3 года назад

Roughly how long do brushed motors last in hours? I know there are variables, but giving time in years doesn't help. At least if you're a newbie.

@HolmesHobbies 3 года назад

Hard ran motors/ overgeared can be 30 minutes. Normal slow crawling 100 to 200 hours easy. Crawlmaster and trailmaster sport 550, we know motors with years and hundreds of miles on them.

@mikemalley1909 3 года назад

@@HolmesHobbies Thanks!

@kgt2039 7 лет назад

What is best for sand dune bashing?

@HolmesHobbies 7 лет назад

Brushless for sure. We will be making a new video this week that will have specific examples for specific uses. I would throw a Puller Pro 540 or 540XL into a sand rig depending on space available.

@hallduke 5 лет назад

What brushless motor do I need to get for my 1/18th ecx temper

@HolmesHobbies 5 лет назад

Not much out there really. But I am working on some right now.

@MrUnder30seconds 8 лет назад

my bl for my 1/10th car still runs after years of use and abuse, truly powerful, however the cogging effect is so bad on the pull away it really sucks. its like it wont go slow.

@HolmesHobbies 8 лет назад

this is why sensored systems and brushed systems are favored in crawlers. low speed control is very important!

@gunsandcommissions 8 лет назад

Also, turn down the "punch" to half or less of full power - it only affects the first little bit of throttle input but won't hurt the overall power of your system whatsoever - but it may help a lot with the cogging Also, minimize any timing on the motor and the esc settings - I find that these two adjustments have been the most beneficial for smoothing low speed useage on non-sensored systems I'm sure Mr. Holmes can add to these thoughts, as he's known far and wide as a man who has legitimate "esc/motor whispering" abilities 👍😎

@jiffywaxjesus1951 8 лет назад

+T. Wallace I have a sidewinder 3 in my stampede and was hill climbing for fun, with the punch turned down, but boy did it get HOT, after about 5 mins I couldn't even touch it, if I didn't turn it off, it probably would've had a thermal shutdown. now I see why they recommend crawler motors for crawling lol

@AndreLuiz-ip3fh 6 лет назад

maybe we can create an hybrid motor. low speed brushed high speed brushless.

@bestamerica 5 лет назад

' better rather normal brushed motors on any RC boats / cars / planes / trucks

@bestamerica 8 лет назад

' all my R/C models are normal brushs motors 380 / 540 / 550 with nimh batterys... better than brushless motor... brush motor canned have cutted / holed to help keep cooler air... brushless motor canned dont have air and easily getting tooo hot