I have had a mocamaster for I don't know - 7-8 years. I have the model with a thermal carafe. it is one of the best purchases I've made. so good. so consistent.
I've had mine for over 15 years and had to send it in once for a $60 repair. Excellent. You do need to stir the grinds a bit to get full extraction and I imagine this couple knew nothing about doing that!
I LOVE my Mccamaster and it did change my life! It constantly delivers a great cup of coffee, never bitter. It will be my coffee maker forever! Oh, and the company stands behind its product!
Just bought one -I'll be returning it. Feels flimsy and I get more flavour from my cheap coffee maker. I wanted to like it, but for the price -big disappointment.
@@westeagle00 I returned my Mocamaster. Cheap product and terrible tasting coffee. What a disappointment ! Bought the Bonavita, although a slightly different model than is used in the video. The best tasting coffee I've ever had!
This is our second K-Classic. We had our first one for many years, so when we had to replace it, we wanted nothing else but this exact ru-vid.comUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf model. We use it for about three people everyday in the morning. The taste and quick brew is one of the reasons we like it so much. There are so many choices of brands of coffee that we would grab what was on sale and test the different brands from there. I would definitely recommend trying different brands of coffee to find the ones you like the most because there are brands that quite frankly taste horrible.
The price for the Technivorm gets you consistency, reliability, longevity and great design. I sold my Breville Precision Brewer and bought the Moccamaster 2 years ago and I am so happy that I did.
The plus side of the bonavita is that if the machine somehow fails internally, you can simply heat your water and use the carafe and filter housing as a pour-over rig.
Have used the Bonavita several times a day for four years now and never fails to make a great cup of coffee. Thanks for the entertaining and informative review.
"It tastes bitter, but I don't think that's any fault of the coffee maker, it might just be me." "When we did our taste test, we both thought this one was terrible, but it's fine now. This coffee maker is fine." 🙄 What a useful review from two clearly useful people.
I've had my Technivorm for close to ten years so I feel good with my purchase. I have the thermal carafe model. Still is a good coffee maker. My daughter wanted the Ninja, to replace one she had so I got her that one. But it only lasts about a year, so in three years I would have paid for my Technivorm.
I too have had my MoccaMaster now for 12 years…every day I have a great brewed cup of coffee. Not one issue except for having to replace my glass carafe due to an accidental drop in the sink. Definitely higher than most but will last you for years.
I actually had a ninja as my last before my current one; the filter did NOT detach - though it was supposed to as a listed feature on the box. Other than that one point it actually lasted me like 2 years without problems. Which to that point had been my most consistently reliable coffee maker experience. My current one is a Mr. Coffee, and I have to say for $50 with maybe a bit of tax from Walmart, I'm pretty impressed with it so far. The brand according to another coffee "snob" doing tests with different brands I watched about a year ago to research which brand I should invest in when I needed a replacement, also relayed that Mr. Coffee is either the first or one of the very first brands of coffee makers in general. Back even into I believe around the 60's or the 70's (whenever coffee started becoming more widely available/popular. I admit I don't recall offhand) So with that in mind, it doesn't surprise me that the brand knows how to make a good tasting cup of coffee. They wouldn't have survived as a company this long if the product sucked. My sister is better off financially and has a Breville she swears by, but $250 plus tax for only god knows how long it would function is a bit too much of a price tag for my wallet. I will say, if you ever do one cup coffee makers - don't bother with Black & Decker. I wasn't that impressed with it; and it only lasted a whole month of use. Even at about $20 it wasn't really worth the thrift in the purchase. I would personally say a market between $50 - $150 really should serve most peoples' needs as far as good and reliable coffee made. Also... with a name like Danny Pops, I'd figure you'd be more into testing Soda makers ; )
Love my digital Mr Coffee. I bought one after an old B+D died 14 years ago as a test. It worked great! I could set the timer the night before and get up to great coffee. $65.00 and I was happy. Water comes out at 200 degrees and the warming plate keeps it hot for 2 hours. When it burned out 5 years ago, I went right back and bought another one!
I’ve had a Bonavita for over a year. I, too, was a pour over coffee person. This machine is very consistent and easy. On a morning I have to get out the door at 530 I can set the coffee maker up the night before and just switch it on and get dressed. Lovely.
I have mine on a smart plug. I can prep the night before and turn on the switch and the plug is scheduled to turn on and boom fresh brewed coffee before I head out the door. I use the Kasa plugs.
I have a Bonavita that has lasted over 10 years and still makes a great cup of coffee. I do the cleaning cycle once a year or so, use filtered water every time, and it has been flawless.
Some comments from someone who has been grinding his own coffee since the early 1970's: 1) don't use a scoop, weigh out your beans for a single brewing before grinding. You'll figure out the weight you want per pot (or cup) and your coffee will be more consistent. 2) If you use a reusable "gold" filter basket, you'll have fine sediment in your coffee. This isn't a problem for some, it is for others. 3) I gave up on glass carafes shortly after insulated steel carafes came on the market. The insulated carafes don't require a burner plate and all its associated problems (and bad coffee). 4) I have to have a maker that makes 50+ oz. of coffee. It's the reason I've never considered getting a Bonavita, though I think I would otherwise love it. 5) If you have a coffee maker that makes coffee you like, stick with it. Same for beans and grind. There are no hard and fast rules, just technique and preference. Small changes in technique can produce noticeable changes in the cup. Preferences are so personal that you may hate the coffee I love and vice versa. richard -- "Forget mysterious dark matter and the inexplicable accelerating expansion of the universe; the bicycle represents a far more embarrassing hole in the accomplishments of Physics." - Michael Brooks, Quantum Physicist
A couple notes on the Bonavita. 1) their newer models actually come with a slide in filter basket, exactly as you mentioned would have wanted. 2) the carafe is very infamous for never being able to pour out the last drop, no matter how much you tilt it. Which also means it is hard to clean. 3) that model (and their others) have a pre-infusion/bloom setting: hold down the power trigger for 5 seconds until the red light blinks. If bloom mode is on, the red light will blink throughout the brew, rather than stay on a solid red as it was shown in this video. 4) more a general point, but the bloom phase is really only important for rather fresh beans. In my experience, after about 2 weeks from roast date, the bloom makes little to no difference.
@@jilly7306 For the 8 cup, there are 2 models: the 1900 has the filter basket sit on the carafe, the 1901 is the newer model with a slide in filter basket. Both models are still being sold.
The new Bonavitas with the sliding filter basket is called the Connoisseur, but it is ONLY available in the 8 cup version (glass and metal carafe). The 5 cup model still has the basket on the top of the carafe. Bonavita is also making a new generation machine called the Enthusiast, but they are getting pricey.
Ours also leaked water into the inner walls of the carafe while cleaning - you could hear it sloshing around after it was empty. Other than that (and that's pretty bad) it was great.
I’ve watched this by accident, because I previously binged lots of your Marshall Vids (which led me to buy two Willens❤). I have to say, you are THE ONLY RU-vidr to actually mention the Moccamasters wobbly lid. I have that coffeemaker, the wobble is the first thing I noticed and I’ve not seen it mentioned anywhere else. It doesn’t take away from the usability, obviously, but like you said: for that amount of money, it sure would have been nice to have it sit flush. Anyway, keep up the great work! Greetings from Berlin, Germany!
They say the way to evaluate the usefulness of a review is to watch/read one on a product you know about. I own that Moccamaster model. My water reservoir lid doesn't move much at all. It performs very well. They say not to but I routinely put ALL the plastic parts in the dishwasher and only wash the carafe itself by hand. No issues. The coffee is excellent and I paired it with a Eureka Mignon Filtro grinder, the most basic, which does an excellent job of grinding for a drip brewer for not a lot of money (compared to one that will grind for espresso or drip and espresso). About the only thing that can go wrong with the Moccamaster is if you don't push the filter basket fully towards the water reservoir. It's spring loaded and if not sat right it can not engage the opening on the bottom and the part can overflow. That only happened to me once and now I know to seat it properly. Cleaning and descaling are very easy. What this doesn't say is once those warranties expire the company will STILL repair the unit back to like new for a flat fee when you send it in. It's an excellent company and the product produces excellent coffee without fail. If you're not a stickler for perfection, though, the Braun Brewsense is much less expensive and pretty darned good. That's what I replaced with the Moccamaster and I like the coffee from both.
I have the 5 cup version of the Bonavita. I hated the metal carafe and screwing on the lid and having to do something with the brewer basket right away. I now love my Bonavita since I bought a glass carafe for it. I love seeing the coffee and coffee level through the glass and sort of use the brewer basket as a lid to help keep the coffee warm.
I agree. I prefer the glass carafe for those same reasons. Also, the metal carafe really needs to be rinsed with hot water before brewing to bring it to temp. Unless you’re going to have your coffee sit around for awhile before pouring, I don’t see the advantage of the metal carafe.
@@Dogsnark It I remember correctly, the first metal carafe I had leaked and I told Bonavita and they sent me a new one, which I still didn't like for the reasons I mentioned.
We have the Ninja brewer that we purchased in March 2021. This year the digital display stopped working, so we no longer can program. Definitely going to get a new coffee maker, so thank you for this honest review.
Your experience with the Bona Vita matches what i (and my family experienced). Our Bona Vita basically died after four years of heavy use. It made the best coffee ever. My friend has a technivorn. I’ve tasted the coffee it brews. It brews a great cup of coffee, but the Bona Vita Beats it hands down. Bonavita, for the price, brews amazing coffee.
I have a Mocamaster and a Bonavita. I use the Bonavita the most out of all my 7 ways I make coffee. The Mocamaster looks great, but the Bonavita has a preinfuse setting. I store the top on top of the basket and the basket on top of the pot. It then slides into the brewer just like you were going to brew a cup of coffee.
Thanks for the great review. For me I own 2 different brewers one in our main residence and one at the cottage on the lake. Both brewers have a glass carafe. At our home we have a Melitta Vision. This is by far the best brewer I have ever owned. At the cottage we have the Ninja model you tested. This brewer also makes a very good pot of coffee. We only purchase brewers with a glass carafe for several reasons. First is that the brewers are less expensive. Second the performance of the stainless thermal carafes that come with the brewers are not on par with a glass lined thermal carafe that you can purchase separately at a much lower cost. Right after brewing we transfer the brewed coffee into one of those and shut the coffee .machine off. While this may seem like an inconvenience we have found we are able to enjoy hot coffee much longer into the day. We have also found that the price of the Technovorm Mocamaster to be just ludicrous, no mater how good of a brew it claims to be able to make. As one of the other commenters stated you should be able to find a good coffee brewer between the $100.00 - $200.00 range.
I've had a few and the Bonavita definitely made the best coffee i've ever had at home. Problem is, its not very reliable, i've had 2 that broke after a year (and of course has only 1 year warranty). Was going to go for a 3rd just because I love how good the coffee is but can't justify that much money for 1 to 2 years of use only. Ended up deciding on Ratio Six for my next maker, getting in in a few weeks. More expensive but a 5 year warranty so I expect a few years out of it which if it does last 5 years, means I don't have to buy 2 Bonavitas!
I had the Bonavita which didn't last long at all for the price. I've tossed many coffee pots over the years that couldn't be repaired. The Moccamaster seems to be the one for me. 5 year warranty, replacement parts or the company will repair after warranty for a reasonable fee. Great cup of coffee.
@@pilgrim81 ya I was going back and forth between the Ratio Six and Moccamaster. Just chose Ratio cause it was a little cheaper ($400 Canadian vs $463 for Moccamaster) and my sister has a Ratio Eight and I've used it a few times and its great so figured the Six would be pretty similar. I'd hope any coffee maker with a 5 year warranty does so because they believe in their products more than most that only give a 1 or 2 year.
But you never tested the OXO 8 cup. I just bought it because it's got everything on it I wanted and many, many very positive reviews. Also many people have upgraded from the Bonavita which over time they had issues with. Everyone who'd purchased the OXO 8 cup really liked or loved it. I do too! Best coffee maker I've ever owned by far.
@@deerhealer6193 hmm this has not been my experience, I wonder if your machine has a heating issue. I’d get a replacement if I were you. I can’t find any negatives and have had mine for 3 years now, still working great. Only thing I need to upgrade is a better Burr grinder, still rock’n cuisine art’s which has worked fine, gets the job done, just not as evenly ground as I’d like.
The “parking brake” allows you to do an infused coffee with a filter. Using that occasionally for a well-extracted coffee, similar to a French press with a filter, is an enjoyable change of pace.
The first one, i used for years, until an Ex stole it from me, I swear by the Moccamaster. That NINJA is "NOT" the way to go, that thing is faulty garbage quality. It is prone to consistent leaking, clogged tubing, faulty wiring (fire hazard warning), and just flat out stops working after a year or so even if you don't run into any of the previous problems with it.
The Bonavita was America’s Test Kitchen choice for a budget brewer, so I got one and love it. Oddly, in the one I bought, the basket doesn’t rest on the carafe, it fits into a slot under the brew head, floating above the carafe, so you just pull out the carafe when it’s done and put the top on. The top rests on the water tank when it’s brewing and for storage- since the whole machine is relatively short, there’s no problem storing it there.
I’ve had 3 bonavitas. Two glass carat and one stainless steel. The thermal sucked since it retains coffee and you can never get it all out. They don’t last very long, and since they got purchased their cs is terrible so went went Moccamaster. Loved the Bonavita and the mm I’m holding out the opinion on because it’s so different I am having trouble dialing it in
I’ve had the bonavita stainless for a few years. I love how simple it is, yeah you have to screw in the lid, but my experience is that part often breaks on other machines.
I have had two Moccamasters and two of the Bonavita models over the past 15 years, and I agree that they're both very good. The main differences are cost (the Moccamaster is occasionally on sale) and usability. I like being able to stir the grounds while the Moccamaster is starting, and the carafe has a pour-through lid. You mentioned nearly all of the hassles that annoyed me most about the Bonavita. Screwing the lid on and pressing the thumb lever every time you finish a batch and pour a cup seems like an unnecessary nuisance when you're brewing 2+ pots per day, every day. I just want to pour it out and go, if I'm not leaving coffee in the carafe. And while the lid is on, the carafe won't fit under the brew basket, which means you need to unscrew the lid in order to store the carafe on the machine for storage. My older Bonavitas had terrible pouring, but it looks like they redesigned the spout. If they fix the lid issue, it would be hard to justify spending more on anything else.
Thanks for your comment. I always look for reviews/comments from people that have used both makes. 16:30 We have been using Bonavita for more than 6 years and love our coffee. I soooooo want the Moccamaster, but oh the cost! None of the Bonavita “issues” bother me…so I guess I will stick with Bonavita.
We have two moccamaster’s and all I can say is that this thing looks fantastic and performs better than any other coffee maker i have owned! Hands down the hottest coffee we ever home brewed and best tasting! Huh we wash our carafe in dishwasher often about 5 years in and still in one piece?
@@silk2949I’ve had 3 Bonavitas and switched to Moccamaster. Loved bonativa but for me they never lasted long. Just recently switched to mm, and it’s so different it’s frustrating. You would think since they both say they heat to the correct temp it would be the same but the grind baskets are different. If your Bonavita is still going strong stick with it
@@AT1754 I had to think hard to remember this review and my comment! After a couple of years of watching Moccamaster prices, I finally got one at about $200 off the original price. I definitely spent some time adjusting my grind but all good with the Moccamaster now. My 4th Bonavita was dying, the prices had gone up and the quality seemed to have gone down by the comments I read. With the Moccamaster on sale the difference in cost was only about $100 …. So I managed to justified the purchase to myself! In the end I don’t think the taste is all that different from the Bonavita, but the fact that the Moccamaster is repairable is another one of my justifications. Also, it just looks so cool compared to all other coffee makers! Happy Coffee Drinking!
Have no experience with the Moccamaster, but I have a Bonavita 1900TS. I like it a lot. I will be replacing mine with maybe the Bonavita Enthusiast. I like that it has the detachable reservoir. I originally bought the 5 cup, returned it and bought the 8 cup so that I could fit my travel mug under it. I place the basket on my mug and let it do it's thing. Works great for me.
One feature I've had for over 20 years is a thermal carafe. If you drink more than one serving and take more than 45 minutes before that second cup, it is really essential.
You guys are so cute! I have been using a Mr. Coffee forever. Try a permanent filter with a paper one under. That and stop the coffee after about 30 seconds and then start it again after a minute to give it time to bloom and it is quite amazing the difference. Also mine definitely shuts off after an hour or so.
Bonavita and Moccamaster make approx the same quality cup of coffee, but the Bonavita is made in China, the Moccamaster is handmade in the Netherlands. The Moccamaster will last 25 years if you take care of it.
I think the reason why you might have liked the taste of the Mr. Coffee compared to the first two is because you used a paper filter in your taste test. The reusable mesh filters don't filter out the oils from the coffee as well which leads to a thicker taste. Since you mentioned in the video that you prefer smoother tastes, that could explain why the Ninja and Moccamaster weren't as impressive to you.
Our Bonavita lasted about 6 years, the on/off switch was it's demise, but that length of time is about what I expected. Also never understood why it's carafe design had a sloppy pour. Bought the Moccamaster for it's build quality (longevity), excellent design, and good coffee results. Both brewers have made good strong flavorful coffee, and we'll see which lasts longer.
I have a Ninja CE251 which I think is identical to the CE200. I use Bunn coffee filters rather than the screened filter that comes with the unit and I pour hot water into the water container to give it a boost on brew time and heat. The Starbucks Verona Dark Roast I use has a good taste. The machines works and the taste depends on the coffee used. Its not a life changer but I'm good for now. Thanks for the review.
I have owned 2 Bonavita Connoisseur 8 cup machines. The first one lasted 3.5 years. Replaced the carafe lid once as the lever to pour broke. Then the plastic of the reservoir crazed and cracked. The second one lasted 2 years before the lever on the carafe lid broke yesterday. We loved the coffee brewed by these machines, but the low quality of the materials and the design flaws have been too much. I ordered an OXO 8 cup to replace it and I hope to have better luck this time.
Just upgraded from Ninja CE200 to the moccamaster. Why? Ninja only lasted a year before the components fried, so if you dont mind possibly spending 80-100/year on a new pot, then by all means. And thats after owning the ninja toaster, blender, slow cooker, so the coffee pot was a BIG disappointment that it failed with regular use. Turns out that failure after a year on the ninja is a VERY common issue. the 5 year warrantee on moccmaster, plus mostly user servicable was a HUGE selling point.
I’ve owned many different coffee makers over the years of all price ranges, but there’s only one that I truly love it’s got everything a great coffee maker should have. Zojirushi EC-YTC100XB 10-Cup Coffee Maker
I made pour over coffee for 16 years, starting way before it was cool. Four years ago I upgraded to what is generally considered automated pour over, the Bonavita. I have not missed the pour over ritual.
I came across your video and found it is entertaining and informative. I have the $20 Mr Coffee. Remove the pot. I stand guard on the initial brewing water spurts are guided by my tablespoon. I get the “blooming” effect allowing the urn filter get “soaked “ grounds then replace the pot and allow the brewing cycle to completion.
I bought a Bonavita a year ago and loved the coffee taste. But in one year it developed a leak from under the machine and I had a puddle of water all over my counter. I didn't want to spend a lot on another machine and got a cheap Mr. Coffee with a stainless steel basket and a blade grinder. Coffee, in my opinion, was surprisingly very good. Unless you're a coffee snob go with a less expensive machine. The coffee will be just as good and you'll save a lot of money.
I’ve had 3 Bonavitas. I hated the thermal carafe. I prefer the glass with the heat plate, and I loved it. I know they say don’t do a heat plate but I don’t leave it on for very long. I will say I had to go through 3 of them in 6 years. They don’t last long. Customer service used to be great until the got bought out. So I switched to mm. It’s been frustrating for me to get it dialed in but I think finally getting it. I’ve had a Mr coffee and had no issues with that either. Agreed it was always smooth for me. I’m no coffee snob though so as long as it’s good then I don’t care what machine made it. I also had the ninja when I was first released. My ex took that and she just replaced it 9 years later with the same updated model she loved it so much. I thought it was fine but inconsistent. Some times tasted burnt, sometimes good and sometimes great
I've been using an older version of the Mr Coffee and got dramatically better results with these hacks: 1. Fill the reservoir with boiling hot water instead of cold. That helps bring the brew temperature closer to where it should be. 2. Save a little of that hot water to evenly pour over the grounds to bloom. That will help disperse the brew water over the grounds better. Wait 45 seconds then start the brew. Thank you to James Hoffman for these hacks!
lame ... moccamaster is the best ... the heating element doesnt get warm so when they touch it it is cold ... dont know what they are talking about. so what about the top being giggy giggy ... this is the best no need to go elsewhere ... I have had the same one since new for over 20 years!
It goes to show you that you don’t need an expensive coffee maker to have great tasting coffee. I like my first cup of morning coffee to be strong enough to slap me awake. I drink my coffee black, my wife thought she had to have milk or cream until she finally tried it black, now it black also because she said that you get the true taste of the coffee. She has her late Mother’s clear Pyrex coffee pot that you put on the stove. You guys need to drink campfire coffee, it’s the best. 👏👏👏y’all
I’ve had my Bonavita for approximately 5 years. The problem we’ve had is the screw on lid that fits over the stainless carafe retains coffee which you have to rinse out. Unfortunately it has left a rancid residue which we can’t remove no matter how much we soak in cleaners or descaling solution. It smells awful and ruins our coffee experience. Our stainless carafe is glass lined so it cleans easily with dish soap and soft sponge. The newer carafes are stainless lined which will also leave a coffee residue unless periodically cleaned with coffee cleaning solution like a stainless thermos. This becomes annoying because you have to boil these cleaners and let it sit in carafe for an hour or so. Otherwise the Bonavita has performed well. One important factor in excellent coffee making is keeping the brewer clean and free of smelly rancid coffee residues. I contacted Bonavita about a new carafe lid but they said I’d have to purchase a new carafe. Guess it’s time we bring up the new Moccamaster we’ve stored in the basement!
I just came here to see if anyone mentioned the OXO. I spent several years looking at he BonaVita. Everyone said the coffee is great, but many said the machine just isn't durable . I'd say this is the one viewers are talking about.
I have a very cheap single cup brewer that makes great coffee. But, only if you stop it and let the coffee bloom. Then I stop it about halfway through and agitate the grounds. It's a little hassle, but so worth it! The lid has a micro switch that stops the brew and you have full access to the little basket. I am glad I found this little brewer.
@@DannyPops It literally has no model info on it. It is from Walmart, it was 19.99. It can accept ground coffee or pods. Has two little inserts, one stainless basket and the pod adapter. There are two settings, one button for pods, and the other for ground coffee
We drink a LOT of coffee in our house and have tried them all. Our Ninja Coffee Bar has been a game changer. It's lasted WAY longer than anything else and has all of the features we wanted. We can make single cups, a carafe and everything in between. For lazy mornings, we can have it programmed. It does tea, froths milks and so much more. We've been really, really happy with it. The Bonavita is the best cup of coffee - hands down. But the smaller carafe and lack of ability to program it means it sits in our storage area as a backup machine.
The bonavita metropolitan has the separate piece that is not attached to the carafe. The key feature about bonavita is the water comes out like a shower over the coffee. Mister coffee only comes out in one spot, not in the middle, so coffee does not get saturated evenly.
I've had the Moccamaster for 3 years now, same model, same color. I put the carafe in the dishwasher once a week and nothing has happened so far. (This said, I think European dishwashers tend to be a little more gentle than big North American dishwashers.) And I pimped it with a third-party gadget: a disk with holes in it that distributes the water more equally over the grounds. This, and a very consistent grind with little to no fines in it has added to the already impressive quality of the coffee. I've owned a number of European coffee machines (Braun, Krups, Melitta...) but the Moccamaster beats them all hands down. (I haven't tried newer Melitta models though.)
I agree! For a single cup, I just use my Melitta plastic brewer & a #2 filter. I know exactly how much to grind to make a perfect cup. For more cups I use an old Cuisenart brewer with a thermos carafe. Always brews good coffee.
Two things to note about the Mocamaster: 1) It is very quick! A full plot in about 7 minutes. 2) There’s no need to stir the coffee before serving ( y’all DO stir don’t you? LOL). The carafe lid has a stem that delivers the coffee from the brew basket to the bottom of the carafe so it actually mixes itself!
I have had Bonavita & now, Moccamaster. Chose the glass carafe model because is it easy to wash the glass & lid. Brushed stainless is very difficult to keep spotless/fresh. I remove tank/brew basket lids and stir the coffee breifly. This sinks floaters and evenly wets grinds. Not necessary but result like a Chemex without the hassle. My espresso is Crossland CC1from Pantechnicon Design. Alll coffee ground for each machine moments before brewing.
Bonavita uses a thermobloc heater which will calcify even with recommended descaling (all will). The Moccamaster is all copper and easy to descale effectively. Last a lifetime!
The coffee cup I use holds 2 measured cups of coffee. I use the better version Mr Coffee than the one you have here. In the morning, I blend the whole pot putting 7 measured cups of water in the machine. Not sure what the numbers are on the pot but they mean nothing that I see. It is sold as a 12 cup coffee machine. I does NOT hold that much water. Maybe 12 tee cups. I grind my own coffee and I also mix the brands at times. This morning I put two scoops of Starbucks and two scoops of Folgers in the machine. I was a very tactful cup. Mr. Coffee machine tends not to get the water all the way around the filter when brewing. I use the round re-usable stainless basket and NOT paper filters. When I start the brewing, I stand at the machine and turn the basket a few times allowing the water to cover all of the coffee. When all of the coffee is covered and the water is floating. I close the lid and allow it to finish. When the machine finished, I turn it off keeping the burner from cooking my coffee. I have a lot of fun mixing coffee brands and sometimes you hit the perfect one. Remember, no two people taste coffee the same. It is all about your preference.
Bought a $35 perculator... don't need a paper filter.. as easy as a drip maker... and the coffee is so so so much better than a "drip"... there is a reason grandpa and grandma had a percolator....
I have a Mr. Coffee with a timer, thermal carafe, and heater. I set the timer to brew a little before I wake up. It's perfectly hot every day. No butler could make coffee better.
The Bonavita was just too loud, and I agree about the lid being something that would get lost. I’m still in search of a brewer, just doing pour-over until I find something I like.
I don't know if anyone else noticed but you were pouring hot water from the bonavita thermal carafe and and then saying this was a great cup of coffee😂
I have owned a few quality coffee machines. A deal breaker for me is units that have a hot plate and glass carafe. It is well known the enemy of coffee is heat, this is the reason why coffee at work tastes like crap after it has sat on the hot plate for some time. The better units have a carafe that really is a double walled vacuum thermos with no hot plate. This is the best way to keep leftover coffee warm. In fact for my motorhome, after using a glass french press resulting in cold second cups of coffee, I went out and spent a ridiculous amount on a double walled, vacuum sealed carafe french press (Bodum). I could come back 45 minutes later for my second cup and the coffee was still hot/warm.
Very enjoyable video. You both make it fun to watch. One thing that Siobhan brought out near the end of the video . . . French Press! One of the best methods for making coffee, and if you have a 100% food safe stainless steel press, the better. Everyone of those coffee makers has plastic that is in contact with the hot water, and plastic, unfortunately, will affect the taste of the coffee, and different plastics used can alter the taste making the coffee taste different from brand to brand. In other words, not all plastics are the same. Perhaps the manufacturer will state that the plastic used is BPA free, well don't be fooled or feel overly confidant with that as studies have shown that even some plastics that are BPA free are still toxic, and some of then worse than others. You can use the same exact brand of coffee from the same source, and each cup/mug will taste differently, largely due to the different materials/plastics used. If you can find a coffee maker that doesn't have plastic in contact with the hot water, then the only factor affecting taste is the bean used and the strength you desire. Me, I'll go with Siobhan's French Press. I have one that is 100% stainless steel, and the flavor, depending on what bean you are using, is wonderful. And by the way, choose an organically grown coffee. Thanks for the comparison, but I'll stick to my French Press.
i don’t really get the plastic thing. worth noting, the paper filter prevents the coffee coming into contact with the plastic much. i’ve not noticed any plastic flavours from any coffee devices
I ditched my Moccamaster and bought a Breville machine. Why? The Moccamaster’s carafe couldn’t keep the coffe at serving temperature for more than an hour. The Breville carafe outperforms the Moccamaster by hours.
I find the Mr. Coffee review to be amazing. It's almost like you are afraid to like the cheapest machine that "experts" wouldn't agree with, even if you liked the coffee the best. in about 15-20k more cups of coffee, you'll realize the opinions of others regarding personal taste do not matter, but what you actually like is most important.
As someone who is a bit of a coffee nerd with many different brewers, including the Moccamaster, I agree with you. What tastes good to you may not for everyone else. Folgers may be the perfect cup for some people, but others thing it tastes like old dish water. I love my fancy home setup and going to coffee shops, but the coffee from a waffle house or my local diner hits right sometimes too.
@@mythbusta52 I am a bit of a coffee nerd and mostly make espresso drinks with a Gaggia Classic and Baratza Sette 270 grinder. My dad makes a solid cup of coffee with a Bunn using cans of Folgers pre-ground coffee. I had a Bunn for a while (until it died). I tend to use a French Press when I want something other than a Latte or Americano, but that Bonavita looks tempting. I will admit that I have enjoyed many a cup of coffee with pods.
The half and half triggers me a little. What's the point of tasting really? Anyway, I've used a Technivorm for years. It's fine and very consistent... but also quite possible to get good tasting coffee from el cheapo machines.
So I have the Moccamaster with the carafe which you could have opted for. I did spring for an aftermarket showerhead which does a better job of wetting the grounds. No automatic bloom phase in my older one. I do brew into my 20 ounce Zojirushi travel carafe which is the best for temperature retention in the dozens I have tested. Maybe I will try the Bonavista...
Unfortunately due to legal battles, the Bonavita has been hard to find. You can still get the 8 cup model on their own website for about $180. I have been looking for a backup for it as I had to replace my existing 8 cup model after two years. I was leaning toward a Ninja but it seems that the market still hasn't produced anything close to the Bonavita for less than $200 bucks.
i don’t mind those reusable filters but they do affect the taste of the coffee, they’ll tend to allow more fines and oils through, so that may account for flavour. OTOH, it’s worth rinsing paper filters to avoid paper taste
I’ve been on here researching coffee makers and I think I’ve finally landed on the Ninja. But I just have to say that I came to YT thinking there’d be a ton of good coffee maker reviews. And there really aren’t. This one is the best one I came across. By far. Nicely done
I have used everything you reviewed except Redline: Liked Bonavita the best, but plastics on carafe cracked. Also did not like changing lid as you pointed out. Personally I'd give anything with a thermal carafe extra points because you rapidly burn coffee on a hot plate. Nice honest reviews. Would seriously consider xoxo 8 cup in future
I think the reason the Mr Coffee is hitting so well for you guys is that it's what you're probably used to. Now I'm between the Ninja and Bonavita though 😂
i was thinking the very same thing. There is a hugely popular coffee chain in Canada (Tim Hortons) and OMG their coffee to my taste buds (I'm an espresso lover so I like strong coffee) is bloody terrible black. But that's just it, most people load up with sugar and cream. BTW, great video...thanks!
Tip: I do not listen to the manufacture about cool water in the machine when brewing. I use the hottest tap water my heater produces at my sink That give the machine a head start on brewing and I don't use the bold brewing option as it slows down the brewing process making the water become cooler than is should to brew a good cup of coffee.
The Bonavita is, for us, far and away the best coffee brewer on the market. On the taste test side, fantastic.I went from using H&H to drinking black and the Ms cut way down on her milk and sugar. On the tech side, you can bloom before brew (read the instructions), holds water temp to SCA standards, maintains SCA brew time standards and with the thermal carafe (no hot plate), the brew will stay hot for a long time with no burning. On the economy side, is a bit pricey compared to other big box brewers but will not break the bank. On the PIA side, set the carafe top on the water tank lid when brewing and get a spoon rest and set is beside the brewer for the basket when not brewing. On the looks side, is not fancy but we like the clean simplistic look. On the ops side, very simple - only one switch (on-off-set bloom function). In the end, a brewer should make a great cup. In our opinion, the Bonavita wins hands down.
Your info about the Mr Coffee maker being the best in the blind taste test and another coffee maker (I don't recall which one) being good then bad and the called "inconsistent" and yet another that you can't explain why it tadtes so good all prove that the coffee maker doesn't really matter much and you make to much of it. The coffe itself and the ratio of coffee/water is the most important.
Fantastic video! I love that you tested the Redline. I've had mine for a couple of years now and I think it makes great tasting, Hot coffee. Pressing the power button for 5+ seconds engages the bloom mode which is how it'll brew each time until button held in again. Anyway, maybe my particular machine was made a bit better? lol. I don't think I would like the Mr. Coffee. I need my coffee to be hot and that model comes nowhere close to hot. That obviously did not bother either of you though. Can you pls review the Tredy 2-in-1 Pour Over 2-cup maker if you haven't already? Its $40+ price tag has me tempted. Thx!
cheaper ones are better if you like dark roast coffee. or if you put cream and sugar in. Also for $40 you can get a zojirushi carafe that will keep your coffee warmer than any other pot or carafe
Really well done! If you do this again in the future I have a few minor suggestions. I'd personally like to know what grinder and what beans were used just to ensure that it was a reasonably fixed variable. If a cheap grinder was used, the inconsistent grounds can make an enormous impact on the result in your cup, which makes an accurate comparison essentially impossible. Additionally, if sub-par beans were used, it removes the opportunity for a few of these brewers to really shine. I would personally encourage consumers not to purchase the Mr.Coffee for a few reasons you outlined. Wildly uneven extraction and unpredictable temps. It's simply unacceptable in a modern machine. For a similar cost or a bit more, you can find something reliable. Especially with a specialty light roast, the results would be absolutely awful on the Mr.Coffee. If you were a bit disappointed by the moccamaster, there are alternatives in this range you may adore. The Ratio 6 brewer, The Breville Precision brewer, and the Wilfa performance. Im a fan of all of these, though I do have a big soft spot for the Moccamaster. For the cost (especially secondhand) I feel the Bonavita is an excellent choice. Oxo brewers all do well in this range too.
A couple of observations. Both of you had really high expectations from the Tecnovorm and that's it didnt blow you away. OTOH you didnt really think Mr.Coffee would stand a chance among these Goliaths. But it must have done to a surprising degree. That's you were so impressed. Secondly I observed that that what I came out of the Bonavita carafe looked like plain water. Correct me if I am wrong. Towards the end, it really looked like you both were on coffee high 😀😀
Bonavita’s have another problem. Under the carafe lid is a silicone gasket that I removed to clean one day. It broke-I called Bonavita for a replacement…”sorry we don’t have replacement gasket’s “ Wait, what??? I have to buy a whole new unit so the carafe doesn’t leak? “I’m afraid so”.
I have the mr coffee and the grounds like to overflow into the brew. Especially if take the carafe out for too long. Tucking a second filter on top of the coffee helps contain it but I'm tired of it and going to get the Ninja 14 cup.
I’m not a fan of thermal carafes-I prefer to see how much coffee is left in the carafe after the first few cups are poured. I have been using a BonaVita for over 10 years now and it performs great. However, cleaning the water reservoir is a bit problematic. If, and when, I replace my coffee maker it will be with a glass carafe/heat pad model of the BonaVita.
