Buddhism vs Nonduality: Yahel Avigur on the emptiness of awareness

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The following is a conversation with Yahel Avigur, a highly regarded meditation teacher in the Buddhist Insight meditation tradition. He regularly leads retreats at Gaia House in the UK, and was approved to Rob Burbea to teach his approach to emptiness, dependent arising and Jhanas, the special states of deep absorption that can arise in mediation. He is highly sought after to guide long personal silent retreats for people doing 3 month, 6 month and year long immersions.
The conversation is basically motivated by my desire to understand the differences between Advaita Vedanta and Buddhist perspectives on reality and awakening. Specifically, how fundamental is awareness?
Advaita Vendanta is otherwise known as non-duality or metaphysical idealism, which is the notion that all of reality is consciousness, and there are many other videos on the channel with Bernado Kastrup, Rupert Spira, Christopher Wallis and such that expound on this view.
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@johnlethe5478 3 дня назад

Loved the conversation and it's exploration of such subtle states of awareness (and being).

@lowellarye8289 8 дней назад

This is a fascinating discussion, about half way through. Buddhism has many texts about nonduality. In the Heart Sutra it says, form is emptiness and emptiness is form. It goes on to say that Emptiness is not other than form and form not other than emptiness (neither this nor that). Ramana Maharishi said that the highest form of teaching is silence. In the Buddhist Vimalakirti Sutra, the lay person Vimalakirtii bests the highest Bodhisattva’s in discussions of nonduality by simply remaining silent. I do appreciate Yahel’s perspective on how one understands emptiness, not just from texts. I saw into the emptiness of emptiness on a Francis Lucille Retreat when he was having an inquiry with someone. I have expressed it as the best hallucinogenic trip (without any substance), seeing forms as interdependent and emptiness as empty (neither this nor that).

@adventuresinawareness 8 дней назад

Great comment! Thanks so much for sharing Let us know what you think of the 2nd half of you get a chance...

@mythandstories3069 7 дней назад

Great Interview, the opening paragraph of the Rig Veda: "There was neither non-existence, nor existence then, there was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond. What stirred? Where? In whose protection? Was there water, bottomless deep?" This is the opening of the oldest ext of humankind, and a great paragraph to recite before sitting on the cushion. Brilliant interview Amir,.

@adventuresinawareness 6 дней назад

Thanks for this amazing quote 🙏🙏🙏

@catlover-banana24 8 дней назад

Nice diagnosis by the host about the significant difference between Buddhism and non-duality: The question that represents the driving force of Buddhism is how to end suffering. Non-duality wants to understand what existence is, who it is, and what all this is. In my opinion, this question logically or philosophically precedes the question about the mechanism of the end to suffering. Thank you for this diagnosis

@adventuresinawareness 7 дней назад

I resonate with this point very much

@lowellarye8289 8 дней назад

The last half of the talk is just as juicy as the first. Nice discussion by Yahel about transcendence not being different than all things. In Mahamudra it is spoken of as One Taste.. Also pointing out Huineng’s verse (Sixth Patriarch Chan/Zen) is a great reference to this discussion. So agree that one continues to explore groundlessness and emptiness. For me it has been an onion, layer after layer. Lovely to have watched and enjoyed your dialogue. You could tell that you wear both enjoying the discussion.

@adventuresinawareness 7 дней назад

Thanks for the comment. Great to see you over on this platform also 🙂

@smlanka4u 8 дней назад

Recognition is the creator of the mind, and it depends on knowingness. 🙏 Recognition is cognition of cognition.

@Larcey 3 дня назад

If awareness is the unkowable subject then we can never explore it to see if it is empty. We would have to objectify it as a mental construct and we would discover, surprise surprise, that it is empty. This doesn't mean that we have discovered anything about awareness, but only the concept we have created in our minds about it.

@adventuresinawareness 3 дня назад

I tend to agree, in a pure logic what you shared makes sense to me Except that some claim that because awareness is what you are, it is knowable, or self knowing, as the lamp is self illuminating... And various paradoxes ensue

@Larcey 2 дня назад

@adventuresinawareness if it is self-knowing then it isn't empty, it's full. I think it is empty if it depends on the object, in a mutually arising Buddhist way,, empty of independent existence. But if it is its nature to be aware of itself, then it does have independent existence and so not empty. Not that I really know anything, the level of the discussion was very high and maybe I didn't understand. Thank you for such a great channel!

@adventuresinawareness 2 дня назад

@@Larcey Thanks Larcy - a useful perspective. I'm not sure I understood the whole conversation either! I'm hoping there will be a part two and I'll raise your point if there is 🙏🙏

@Jacob-Vivimord 8 дней назад

Definitely just different ways of talking about the same thing. Swami Sarvapriyananda has said as much. In fact, I'd extend that to all mystical traditions, but Buddhism and Advaita seem the most "developed" in terms of methodology. But the actual language used never actually captures the "experience" being talked about (as language is inherently dualistic), so there's not much of a debate to be had, really. Different language works for different people.

@adventuresinawareness 7 дней назад

That's been my instinct also, but some Buddhists seem adamant their take is different 🤔🧐

@FromPlanetZX 4 дня назад

@@adventuresinawareness of course, they would be adamant. Their whole religion is based on 'they are not Hindu' and their 2500 years of hard work. They can't just let it go.

@adventuresinawareness 3 дня назад

@@FromPlanetZX That makes sense as a historical trend - but I'm not sure that is what motivates people like Yahel and others I have met to take this perspective... I will keep enquiring!

@minketheodora 4 дня назад

You see it far to complicated,.,..

@FaradayStanford-y4m 4 дня назад

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@SeiroosFardipour-sy3sh 8 дней назад

Bouddhisme is for local part of India,zen belong to part of japanism culture,Tao or Daoism is part of cultural north west Chinese cultural and philosophical belongings, Western knowledge is so rich philosophically why do you look some where else the salute why.

@adventuresinawareness 8 дней назад

Today I ate quinoa for breakfast, sushi for lunch and a ratatouille with Mediterranean salad for dinner.... if it's nourishing and tastes good, I don't mind where its from...

@themartian7121 6 дней назад

@SeiroosFardipour-sy3sh To say Western philosophy is rich enough is definitely not true! There are noted Western philosophers themselves that have turned eastwards, recognizing that they have not answered the fundamental questions of life itself. Furthermore, there really is no other body of knowledge ito volume, and scope that have explored life's big questions as deeply and committedly as have the ancient Indian scholars. However, if you're happy with your version of Western philosophy, then enjoy! Satre's Being and Nothingness is just that!