Buddy Ryan's 46 Defense (1985 Bears) | NFL Films Encore | NFL 

Thank you, someone who understands

we lost Pat Summitt and Buddy Ryan before 7 am

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well said RIP BUDDY RYAN

Claude White Exactly. #RiseInPower Buddy Ryan. 85BearsDtheBestever

Indeed and those corners were playing man to man 90 to 100 percent of the time!!!! The safeties were great blizters and the run stoppers . No they get lost but they need their credit also for what they were asked to do !

Sadly there are many great players who for whatever reason get left out.

Wilber has a real problem now in the senior pool, which is that a major advantage for senior candidates is being someone a single fanbase is going to prioritize, and a single voter from a certain market is going to prioritize. Riley, Klecko and Howley all either played for one team or basically played for one team (not counting a few years at the start or end). Branch, Pearson, Carmichael, Covert, Dillon, Cliff Harris, Winston Hill, Karras, Shell, Speedie... they were all mainly associated with (or only played with) one team. Wilber is split between Chicago and Washington. Bears fans are focused on McMichael, and then Hilgenberg and maybe Fortunato. Washington fans are focused on Jacoby and Larry Brown. Sam Mills got in with support coming from both Saints and Panthers fans but that's rare. Voters want to be able to say they "Got our guy in," so who is looking at Wilber as "our guy"? If McMichael or Jacoby get in, or both, people will say, "Well, that's enough of the '85 Bears or the '91 Washington team," but Wilber was arguably the best defender on the '85 Bears and definitely the best on the '86 Bears, and was arguably the best in '91. D.C. DC Richie Petitbon said before SB XXVI that Wilber was their key man, and that's a defense with Darrell Green. That to me is Wilber's problem now: who is going to use their persuasion capital on him?

Steve McMichael isnt either. Both of them should be in.

wade Philips better

+Cameron Anderson stfu.

xBrianQ {Madden Mobile}{iOS Games} lol

i hate Belicheck but Id have to say he was much better than Ryan. BB as defensive coordinator for the Giants was effective in stopping the 49ers , Redskins and Bills when they were in their primes. He also won 2 Superbowls as DC for the Giants during that period Ryan? he was good for only 1985 with the Bears and was a failure in Houston

Dan Marino disagrees.

if you watch that game the dolphins picked up so many 3 rd and longs and steve fuller is steve fuller

Even watching the Lovie Smith Bears (especially 2005 & 2006) and the 2001 Bears are a treat to watch compared to the Bears since 2013. Defensively speaking.....

Steve Mc Michael said it best: BEARS QB Jim McMahon was a marked man because the BEARS attacked your QB so much that season, the other team just had to get even. That is why Green Bay Charles body slammed QB in 1986. Cost the BEARS another championship run. BEARS could have gone to super bowl in 184 and in 1986 if Jim McMahon had just stayed healthy. Richard Dent to this day blames coach Ditka for not managing Jim M. the QB better, should have kept McMahon healthy! I believe it, looking back at those seasons.

keep thinking that while LT and the 1986 Giants dominate everyone

@@LeighMet LMAO 🤣 😂

@@UKBornin1971 why 86 was so much better

@@LeighMet i have never, ever heard an announcer compare a great defense in college or in the NFL to the 86 Giants. The defenses that come out of their mouths are the Steel Curtain Steelers, the Ravens, maybe the Buccaneers, but always the 85 Bears, they are the gold standard and have been for nearly 40 years. They won games before even taking the field.

@@UKBornin1971 So did the 1986 Giants just to little fanfare. People were more inambered the gatorade shower

i thought it was As always waterboys = champions

+Brandon Stross Adam Sandler=championships

I feel like most pro sports have become less entertaining because of all stoppages that happen making games like football and baseball longer and harder to watch for new fans.

True, but I believe that they were such great athletes and football players that they could have modified to today's game and still dominated like they did.

i think by the 1990s and 2000s, the revolution in the spread offenses would have rendered the 46 obsolete. That year the only defeat of the Bears came from Marino where the Dolphins were spread out more to counteract the pressure. It’s just that no one in the 80s was thinking of the spread.

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nobody was bigger dressing room poison.

Well the Ravens did in 02 was pretty close

@@NickJaime no way, not even REMOTELY close

I counted about 1000 leading with the helmet penalties 😂😂😂

Well, this comment didn't age too well.

Bill Belichick said to hold his beer. :P

Only reason number 3 is valid

actually i wouldn't say the '00 Ravens D was better. Granted in my biased opinion I think that it was a pretty good defense. But honestly the '85 was the best

Don't forget Steelers fans will start running their mouth that the Steel Curtain was better

Statistically it was the '86 Bears but sure, they weren't much different

+Ryan H. lol but we don't though. We run our mouth when Ravens fans say Ed Reed is better than Troy Polamalu LOL

+Solomon Kessington Ed reed and Troy were both very talented Safeys

They had a hell of a time stopping Dickerson. Every time they played him the TV announcer would say the Bears haven't given up 100 yards in "x" number of games and then they would say the last back to run for 100 was Dickerson. He put 4 100+ games and 5 TDs and 3 wins in 5 meetings against the Bears.

fizza jaffery It wouldn't the way the Bears played it, that hit on Ferguson got Marshall a fine. It would probably get him a suspension now. Not to mention the various other similar hits they made.

Putting 8 men in the box like the 46 would be suicide in today's NFL. The trend now is to rush with no more than 5, and only in limited situations, primarily 3rd-and-long. Offenses now use 4 receivers in most sets and 5 in many other formations, which 3 deep DBs couldn't possibly handle. The 46 was the last great defense of the run-first era, which would gradually fade away over the next 20 years.

its a passing league now. 46 is meant for run plays. A slot receiver would cause a lot of trouble and a burner WR would also as there is on 1 safety over the top. It can still work just not as an every down type of defense. DBs can't be as aggressive as they used to be, so consistently stacking 8 guys in the box and leaving your corners on islands against the WRs will backfire eventually. The 46 formation just does not have enough speed on the field to cover 3+ WR sets, which are a lot more common now.

@@Sephiroth766 These days, there are blitzes of six or more if the QB is playing with an empty backfield. Those have become less effective against QBs who can take off and run the ball effectively (Rodgers, Jackson, Mahomes, Murray, Herbert). You probably knew that already.

though in 1985 they didn't let him slide and shut out the rams in the nfc championship

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2000 Ravens?

+Ryan H. As another team worth mentioning

Yea 2000 Ravens are worth mentioning

+Ryan H. yeah I have them top 5 all time for sure.

If that was true then the Niners should've beaten them since the West Coast offense was based on short intermediate passes. Marino had a superhuman release and the Dolphins had quick WRs. It was a stop the run/hit the QB type defense and Marino was very hard to sack. If anything, the 46 exposed the slow releasing, slow thinking QBs.

@@KTF0 49ers did manage to beat them in 1988 and beat the Buddy Ryans Eagles when they played them

Dickerson exposed them too! He put four 100+ yard games in five meetings against the Bears and beat them 3 out of 4 games as a Ram.

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Cody Carter L

No, it's basketball

And they only played one 12 win team and that team beat them (Dolphins, Dan Marino)

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But the 85 pats beat down Dan Marino's dolphins in the AFC Championship game.

There are still teams that haven't won a super bowl.

That loss to the Pats was tough, but giving up 255 yards rushing and committing 6 turnovers sank the 'Phins. I don't think Marino could have bested the Bears a second time, and that AFC Championship game showed the Killer Bees couldn't stop the run. Seeing Shula lose another Super Bowl might have been harder to bear than losing to Tony Eason, Craig James and Andre Tippett. I have to admit, though, my 20-year love affair with the Dolphins basically ended with that game. I'd moved to Houston in 1977, and the Oilers with Warren Moon were just starting to get interesting in 1986. But that's another story for another time.

In all fairness, Dan Marino had super human release time and was many times taken off his game and forced to fire short passes. Danny was the G.O.A.T as well, no question

True, but look at Dickerson's numbers. Three wins (83, 84, 86), four 100+ yard games (one as a Colt in 88) and 5 TDs. And he did it on teams with no QB. There was no deception, the Bears knew he was getting the ball and even with 8 and 9 man fronts they couldn't stop him.

@@johnwhyte2638-They shut Dickerson down in the NFC championship game when it counted. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Eric Dickerson. He’s arguably the smoothest running back to ever play the game. He simply glided through defenses. It was a beautiful thing to watch.

@@SJM6791 Oh I know, it still stings lol. I really thought the Rams had a chance since they had won twice already against the Bears. I knew of Brock as I am in Canada and watched his whole CFL career, the only QB better in the CFL from that time was Moon. The Rams stopped trying to run the ball in the second half which I still think was a mistake. They would have been better to try Redden and Dickerson in a split backfield. The crazy thing is Eric had 46 yards and 2 fumbles on 17 carries, Walter had 32 yards and 1 fumble on 18 carries and neither back scored a TD. Two of the best back in football and HOF'ers and you don't get 100 yards rushing combined with them!

Then he watched them win a Super Bowl something he never did cause he wasn’t good enough

So blitzing seven (7) is genius? How sustainable is this approach? With the talent the Bears had they should have won more than one Super Bowl. Hall Of Fame coach Joe Gibbs acknowledges Buddy Ryan’s achievements during the 1985 season but Gibbs asserts that Bill Belichick gave his team the most trouble because the Giants rarely blitzed and made you work for every thing you got. Belichick would have Lawrence Taylor play the DE position in a 3-4 defensive front and only rush three defenders against the Redskins offensive line and the Giants would manage to sack the QB. Different philosophy, instead of being a Neanderthal and sending the house you would rush only 3 and count on your defenders to defeat their one-on-one matchups or bust double teams.

How sustainable is all these zone drops where backers and db’s looked confused on where they are supposed to be is genius. Qb’s have all day to throw. But if that’s your philosophy go with it. Coaches afraid to play man to man.

Disagree with the 1986 bears defense being better than the 1985 Defense.

Mitchy Kramer Check the stats.

@@thfzn That is what I am saying, what stats? if you are referencing the stat of them giving up less points than the 85 D or less rushing TD's than the 85 D, then that is only a single point of reference. The 86 team was no where near the 85 team, defensively speaking. The main stat line is the fact the 1986 Bears opponents combined winning percentage was .394. The 1985 Bears combined opponents winning percentage was .482. Now, why would that be an important figure? simple. The 86 Bears were beating up bad teams. Plain and simple. You play your schedule and they dominated. here is another figure, the 1986 Bears were 12-0 against teams with a sub .500 record. BUT, 2-2 against teams with a .500 or better. They were not performing well against good teams. Last, take the redskins game in the playoffs.....no way the 85 team gets shredded like the 86 team did. if they were truly great, as in 85, it would have been a slaughter. Schematically they were just a different defense. And if they were truly "better" as you say then they would have shut down the Redskins, specifically with a half time lead.

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@John Steudler​ That's not true at all. The 46 scheme was abandoned for a base 4-3 with sprinkled elements of the 46. Vince Tobin changed it to cater more towards utilizing zone elements. They became more of a bend but not break defense from 86' onward. Yeah, they were even better statistically even better statisically than the 85' team, but it did not have the "go for the jugular" principles that had been instilled throughout Ryan's 46. It was not the same subversive blitz happy defense that Ryan ran, so there's that. I also wouldn't chest flex over beating a rookie Doug Flutie in his second start ever either, lol.. that game was LITERALLY handed on a silver platter to Washington.

You must be forgetting the Rams beat the Bears in 83, 84 and 86. The key was Dickerson putting 100+ yards and 4 TDs on the famed 46. He put another 100 on the Bears in a loss in 88 as a Colt.

Both... but anything new usually takes some time getting used to in the NFL. Remember how good the wildcat was? Chip Kelly's offense initially?? After the off-season you need to have players, or update your scheme, for it to keep working. That's why 46 is rarely used now.

Dickerson had already shredded the Bears in 83 for 128 yards and a win, then in 84 149 yards and a win with a pair of TDs in each game. He beat them again in 86 with another 114 yards. Even put 100 yards on them in 88 as a lowly Colt.

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Steeler Curtain?

Shogun147 2002 bucs

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