Buffed Charger Behemoth Vs Every Support Weapon in Helldivers 2 

Well yes, but actually, no. Before addition of behemoths and tuning down bile titan spawns: EAT, Quasar, and Recoilless reign supreme, everything else is cope. After addition of behemoths and decreased bile titan spawns: Flamethrower top tier, followed by Spear, Quasar, mechs, and Railgun. Other than Quasar, that's a complete remix of the 'meta'

@@Larknok1 And EAT and RR now suck because they suck against behemoths, and behemoths have almost completely replaced regular chargers. It's not a good change as it currently stands. If they get buffed to start stripping behemoth leg armor in one shot then it would be okay I guess.

@@Larknok1meta did not get remixed. everyone I’ve seen (lvl 60+) still uses the same equipment and loadouts with the exception of Gatling/ strafing runs. saw one guy use the railgun for a bit, died then left.

Now it's flamethrower or suffer...

@@aaronhumphrey3514 EATS and RR sucking against Behemoths is probably unintended because there is a drop off thing going on where damage fall off makes it just drop below the charges leg health but you can counteract the damage fall off by walking forward while shooting. Rocket damage 650 Front leg health 650 Drop off makes the rocket do 649 damage 2 rockets required.

Stun nades + Breaker Incindiary can blow the wagon faster than literally everything here except for the flamethrower.

​@@iankmak the HMG is faster I think

​@@iankmakwdym, where do you need to shoot with the incendiary??

​@@mihealkheel8915wagon = soft exposed part of the charger = their back end

@@vince4503 The bUg BoOtY

If this is actually true I'm gonna shit bricks, and with all the jank in the game it sounds believable enough. Edit: it's true. As a side note, you only need to do this for front legs, it doesn't matter if you move or not for rear legs.

Just tried this out. It's true. WTF!!!

lmao, they count the momentum as well? bruh

Lmao what the fuck

?????? I’ll try this istfg if it works

Lmao

Your name being TeslaStrike makes this already funny comment 10x funnier.

Will be fixed in the hotfix on tuesday! Keep on diving!

I can barely hit a stationary robot with the throwing knives. AR doesn't know how do aiming system.

​@@samuelju2 Skill issue it

@@samuelju2 eh that one might be on you chief I can hit the knifes more less fine

​@samuelju2 the aiming system is quite unique but shooting bugs that are right in your face is difficult, the bullets always miss when I shoot them in point blank range, besides that, I'm too low level and low on super credits to test the knife 😭

Man I dropped in and instantly felt lied to and betrayed once again. I thought we wouldn't need anti tank as much but now it's more needed then ever.

@@onhillsgaming Actually, it's worse. You need anti tank AND flamethrower.

​@@onhillsgamingThank Alexus, Bringer of Balance for that one.

@@jacktheripper7935i just play flamethrower and railgun strike. kills every bug with ease

@minecraftprovie5076 railgun strike is nice but has a way too long CD. I prefer 500kg or orbital precise strike.

Thanks arrowhead for removing any viable strategies

the bounce thing is so annoying. Sometimes you get a really good turret placement. Other times it will randomly bounce into a crevice ...

what???

They don’t want it to be good clearly 😂

We could start with a flat +50% dmg on most weapons/stratagems and add +50/100% spawn rate, but you know we gotta have the PS bros in mind or else there machine will burn.

They want it to be in the trash bin...

Yep... it was my favourite too. It's not like it didn't require skill to use, between being temperamental whether it wanted to shoot and the timing required to fire faster. Now all of the problems it had are much more glaring and make it so much worse to use. It can't even hit shriekers within range btw, the lightning will come out but they will survive somehow.

It should at least be noted that the Arc Throwers stagger was never nerfed, it was just that the Hulk had it's stagger resistance increased. It used to be possible to chain stagger the Hulk with a variety of weapons that really shouldn't have been able to, such as the Dominator. The Arc Thrower staggering the hulk did feel reasonable though, so it's a shame it lost that. I'm normally someone who's very critical of all the people demanding buffs, but I do feel like the Arc thrower should have it's range restored, and receive a damage buff. And so long as it didn't do anything crazy, boosting it's stagger further could give it a nice identity too. It might not kill hulks or chargers any time soon, but the ability to chain stun would give it some worthwhile teamwork value.

yeah except its a heavier armored unit, but somehow seems to move and run faster than regular chargers and do feints and shit, also, movement is just straight up jank sometimes, they will stop on their tracks and all of a sudden move like 10 meters further with no animation cue, yeah they look cool and shit but currently it fucking sucks to fight them

@@queweamiraitantofeoculiao5826 i never have a problem dodging any charger unless i completely dont see them coming. Theyre mobile but it makes sense, theyre huge and insanely strong. But if they come at you youll always be just a bit more maneuverable than them and be able to run to the side and get out of their way

2 shot would be fair. Just like bile titans. 1 shot for chargers. 2 for Behemoth. Thats fair and balanced.

@@hellogoodbye388 not when behemoths replace almost all chargers and there are 5 of them on your ass at once and almost always atleast 2. Thats not fair and balanced.

@@fire_drake12.arc.24 perhaps but it's a hard difficulty. If I can solo it then you can manage with friends. Remember impossible difficulty is supposed to be insane. You are supposed to die. We are the baddies. Yes they need better balance. Good luck

Don't forget the 8 second reload now

@@fire_drake12.arc.24 that's fair on level 9 but anything lower should be 1 shot or spawn less of them on lower levels even at level 6 and 7.

You crash when change audio settings on ps5 Recoiless SOMEHOW reloads slower after patch What kind of code they have? Trying to guess what's gonna be the next bug. Maybe "You lose hp when standing still for more than 10 seconds on planet with vegetation level more than 62%"?

Game's chalked...

​@@LaserTractorliterally any game is like this (check out TF2's source code leaks, and the code comments there.) Coding a video game is a nightmare, especially one as compex as helldivers with a whole bunch of people working on it.

its definitely not cooked, still a damn blast to play. Theyre gonna keep workiong on it and getting things in order just like everyone in youtube pcomments will keep complaining about it

@@FinnishArsonist thank you. It's a small team that can only work so many hours a week to get shit done. But ppl are gonna bitch and moan ab out things out of their control no matter what that's just who we are

We are playing the open beta release, only costs 50 CAD to get into. Just like how the 7 days to die 1.0 release coming out is actually just Alpha 24 but it needs to be sold on the PS5 store so they have to pretend its a finished game.

⁠@@dozer1431that’s where you’re wrong buddy! Arrowhead doesn’t listen to criticism! 🤓📈

Arrowhead is an indie company. Less than 100 employees. People being delusional about how many people work there and talking about "balancing team", "PR team", etc without even knowing those "teams" are just one person 😂. They do test their patches, but dont expect a team of 200 people testing their game. Its most likely 1 or 2 guys, the guys same that coded the changes in the patch 😂.

Or you know, a testing branch like most games do in Steam? Oh that's right, this is still technically a console game! XD shit give us a cape for doing the test and we will be there!

​@chettonex Owned by Sony, financed by Sony, 100+ employees is Not indie. I wish folks would stop gaslighting for Arrowhead, it's sad.

Agreed wish we had more fun primary tho

So much for load out variety

Bring Gas strike, Napalm and Stun Nade (or flame) + Engineer armor. Watch them numbers fly. Got 700 kills last night with a 112 killstreak at extraction.

IKR. Meanwhile you have 90% of "folks" (maybe they are just bots) yapping about how everything is so great against everything and life is so good after the patch. 4 shots with a knife? "EXPLOIT" 2 seconds with a Flamethrower? * crickets, cuz nobody uses them. LMAO imagine flamethrower gets even more buff because nobody uses them.

Bro fr, I love the arc but as you said unfortunately it’s in a sad state right now. I just want my good arc thrower back :/

Didn’t the bile titans used to be tankier while in their spewing animation? Haven’t played in a while

@@jpbakes9152 bile titan heads still take inconsistent dmg. been that way for a long ass time now. It's just finally been acknowledged in the patch as a known issue.

Isn't that literally what he did shortly after with the autocannon though? shot it in the back leg after it finished it's charging animation, and it died real fast. I've just heard something about we get a damage buff once it's finished it's charge, etc.

@@Roobotics It's a glitch where the leg armor isn't applying properly. The devs acknowledged it but decided to leave it in the game for whatever reason.

People are unbelievably braindead, if a weapon sucks ass and is not fun their reply is always "git gud" or "skill issue". It's not about skill it's that the guns suck and it's not fun to play, I can use meta and clear lvl 9s with ease but I wanna have fun and have variety.

Yeah, other people call that the charger bug - it's been in-game since release.

​@@darksaiyan2006it is the charger bug, which devs have acknowledged on discord.

Been like that since release and I think it's moronic that every man and his dog recommended it as The Way to kill chargers. This video for example, he uses it as the only way to kill using the auto cannon, but he doesn't bother abusing it when using the amr. At least be consistent and always abuse it or never do.

It's still decent against bugs, but with behemoths running around everywhere, it's kinda a bad choice now. Either way, they should have just reverted it back to how it was...

Cause it was good. A common trend for the good weapons in the game.

Its in a seriously rough spot right now. Its a complete no go for bots and not that great for bugs anymore either. Do you think they even thought about the arc thrower before they added all the behemoths?

I like it for crowd clear though I only play with friends over discord, so anti armor is handled by someone else in the group. And even then I'd argue that the blitzer is a better choice for crowd control, even though the range is rather limited.

Arc Thrower is better to kill chaff enemies than the Flamethrower, I think that the Arc Thrower never should yave had the power to kill big enemies like it did, but to have more power to kill smaller enemies, like having more range or hiting more enemies in a chain

@@muglokdecrepitus1301I think you underestimate the power of electricity

@@muglokdecrepitus1301 that would be nightmare for teammate, if ark get more range and more chain

@@SiraWong-kn6qi Not really, you just have to not aim to the direction of your allies, that is what you already do if you are playing correctly

Behemoths have always been in the game

I think the issue is that any time we'd have previously fought a Bile Titan, that's effectively being traded out for more chargers. So whilst the total "budget" for heavy spawns is actually 30% lower, the end result is that we're fighting a lot more chargers. And with many of those chargers being the Behemoths, which we can't just quickly remove with a single AT shot like normal, it's resulting in all combats turning into chaotic bullfights. Once the issue with falloff messing up leg shots is fixed, this should become a decent amount more manageable, but the overall spawn rates might still need work.

Please Alexus i will play Hello Neighbor just dont nerf the FT

god i hope the previous CEO will stop them from doing so.

@@FiendLucklesswhatchu know about that game lol memories

@@kodyking3090 I didnt get to pkay too much of the first one but loved watching it. Ive heard Alexus was a dev of the 2nd game and kept nerfing/patching things in the game to stop player stratagies. If thats true i will personally go back and play Hello Neighbor 2 and sing praise to save Helldivers 2 from his clutches.

I rather fight the behemoth chargers than the gunships.

Untill the gunships patrol arrived....

Bot sidewards shooting has been "fixed". Bots are now 90% accurate up to 1km and can and will headshot you with rockets.

@@poom323autocannon claps those fuckers

Not really...We definitely would've gotten those tank mines if 40% of the populace wasn't dicking around on bug planets the whole time.

Arrowhead: " Thank you for this feedback. After Reading it, we've given all heavy enemies armor level 9. All weapons do 4 extra damage and armor penetration value of 4 at maximum. We believe the player base will agree that these changes were required to fall in line with our design philosophy."

Im curious what happened to points 3-6 lol. Also the railgun change is seems to enforce a meta since behemoth chargers are much more common in higher difficulties than normal chargers, especially considering ease of use.

@@FiendLuckless it's on another video, the one where oh dough mentions the game getting harder with the new patch

@@PvtPrivate interesting choice to seperate em but I respect it

I like you, and i only read first 1

It's not a bug, it's just they have a stupid damage model where your bullets are affects by the speed you're moving as you fire. It's only come up now because Behemoth legs now have the exact same HP as QC/RR/EAT do damage (650), so one damage either way is the difference between breaking the leg in one or 2 shots.

Would be kinda funny

That is so dumb and proves they continue to not test things properly.

I found out that if you ever mention OhDough in HD official Discord. People will blast you with "OhDough is clickbait, that guy only plays solo". LMAO. Meanwhile they just keep yapping how everything is so good now. And spread lies.

I tested further, and the "walk forward" tech lets you one-shot kill behemoth chargers when you shoot the rear butt plates!

@@onhillsgaming More than anything, I think this proves that their damage/ballistics formulas are extremely overcomplicated/overdesigned for what they actually need to do. There are so many systems in this game (The player health/armor/wound system is another) that feel like they were built just because some autistic designer thought it would be "neat" and detailed, and never even considered what the desired design and gameplay impact should be. Now, after making contact with reality, these systems are making it near-impossible to balance the game, because all their metrics for the game are a convoluted mess that's impossible to visualize (e.g. something as simple as "how much damage an enemy deals" is dependent on like 5 different variables where some are situational or outright random), every numerical value has a spider's web of hidden interdependent values (e.g. a weapon's damage is actually composed of normal damage, durable damage and armor penetration, and is also affected by damage falloff and impact angles and arbitrary enemy resistances), and even the simplest changes have unintended knock-on effects that noone seems to anticipate (e.g. how fixing the automatons firing their guns at impossible angles also made them more accurate). Luckily, it's fixable, and probably even easily. It's just that it will involve one of the bitterest pills any software designer will face in their career: "Yeah, you know this system that we spent months/years of development time on? Turns out it actually harms functionality in practice - Delete it, and replace it with the dumb and simple implementation that can be engineered in a few days".

I feel bots are generally easier to build for. Railgun still found some use with bots because it can 1 shot hulks, Spear being able to target cannons and fabricators, SMGs 2 tapping devastators/HMG dealing with heavies pretty quickly. The main issue I have is certain environments have little to no cover and the only call in cover you have is the ballistic shield since the smokes dont work.

@@FiendLuckless In some ways? Yeah. Bugs have the additional complication of having multiple variant modifiers, which means you might run into a different set of enemies than you'd expect. Bots are mostly more consistent (I do periodically see specific enemy types spawn in way more often on some missions than others), but they are also assholes if you don't have the advantage of solid cover. It is why having things like the ballistic shield or shield relay are super good on them. Another tidbit that helps is that bots tend to struggle with their aim if you are putting down suppressive fire, and generally get their best aim if you are on the run.

@@jimboanimations4041 Yeah, but even with suppresive fire theyre a bit TOO accurate from a distance IMO

@@FiendLuckless I think the average Troopers and Hulks are fine enough. Those Devastators can burn in hell however.

Dough even removed his video feed temporarily to show a mic drop effect. 🎉😂 If the goal of patch is to reduce TTK and make things feel less like pea shooters, then Piles (and the dev team) have missed the mark. (Well to give them credit they did remove the AA -1 mod, and the OPS buff was spot on) But 90% of the other changes just don't make sense.

Hell no, that thing is a barrel of fun. It's a portable pocket clusterbomb strike. Just don't shoot it at heavy armour, since why would anyone expect that to work.

​@@UnknownSquid You know what's easier to control takes up just as many slots and dosnt take a backpack spot and does a better job against just about everything heavies included? The ACTUAL cluster bomb! Air burst Rocket is beyond useless!

@@jimman-beard2167 Cluster Bomb takes up your "Eagle slot", which is full of amazing alternatives all competing for that shared cooldown. Every eagle strike you bring beyond the first handicaps your cooldowns. Clusterbomb can't be reloaded from ammo on the ground or fully loaded from a supply box. Can't be fed near infinite ammo from a supply pack. Clusterbomb is garbage against heavies, don't pretend it's any better for that. And despite not being intended for it, the Airburst Launcher does still actually kill turrets, tanks and hulks if you hit the weakspot. And how is a thrown beacon with delay any easier to control than a point and click instant delivery system? And again, it's FUN. A weapon that instantly deletes huge clusters of enemies on demand, is fun. I have a friend who basically "mains" the thing, and he cackles with glee when he fires it. I can't help but feel that you used it once during it's buggy release day, and then just never touched it again.

@@UnknownSquid yeah I have tested it post latest patch so within last three days ...it always shocks me that anyone would use it. It takes up a backpack slot, So how can you use supply backpack this thing take up backpack slot? So no shield or backpack, or jetpack or other fun option you use the backpack your given for more reloads. It's slow to reload. It takes up secondary slot so I cannot carry a (useful) secondary. You asked how a delay thrown cluster is more controlable?...well its predictable it will drop perpendicular to how its thrown and it always strikes the same way. The Airburst sure is aimable but the enemy movement is not always predictable if anything gets in the way of the target it premature detonates and I blow up.... a weapon that harms the user is USELESS! So the only way to combat this is to have high ground and shoot down... this sucks. It already takes up a backpack slot my secondary slot, has long reload time and now I need a certain terain/situation to use it. And you say it kills certain heavies... so does the cluster... with about as much consistency... look it's in the game and your having fun using it that's cool. I'm happy for you... but you got to be real man! You know this thing has MAJOR drawbacks... and for those many MAJOR drawbacks I dont find it useful or fun... and I'm not in the minority opinion for that weapon... there is a reason MOST players dont pick it. (Because it sucks) because let's be real if it were good everyone would be praising it and using it... that's just not the case.

gunship patrols are a modifier, but arc thrower is still bad regardless. It needs help.

I've really been enjoying the gunship patrols. You can usually see them off in the distance and set up to take them down (I run shield generator and its fantastic at letting the team line up shots)

@@RainAndRay They’re a cool addition for sure, but forced you to pick a selective few stratagems to deal with them effectively. They need to give us more tools for anti air/armor before adding stuffs like this.

@@Icidulon I guess, but it’s doing the same thing that the minus one stratagem did before hand

@@DatNguyen-wd4tl praying every day for a spear type turret that exclusively targets large enemies and ships 🙏

They barely even buffed any weapons as well...

@@LordVader69420 yeah but if i say that the last patch was objectively not that great, people will get angry at me.

@@LordVader69420 I swear nothing will ever make you people happy will it.

Same thing happened to me with recoiless this morning, pain

It’s a damn rocket, that’s not how it works at all. What is AH doing

Reminder that in a previous patch they explicitly stated they fixed a bug causing that, and that it should no longer happen. Meanwhile...

Had this happen with a Bile Titan, hit the head only for the rocket to bounce off and head into the sunset. Titans dont even have angled armour on their heads either.

Such a fun weapon to use, too, probably my favorite. Nothing better than zapping some bugs ✌️

Yeah nobody bothers to bring up the Flamethrower being OP. Meanwhile 4 shots with a knife, "ITS AN EXPLOIT!" 90% of folks either a) think everything else is awesome b) imbeciles

If you mean the completely unannounced flying patrols which are their own separate spawn, and the over saturation of charger behemoths, then yes

It's completely random now. One round, there's a bunch of endless waves, another round, there's barely anything. Game's RNG now...

I'd say it feels more or less the same on average, but there is more variability. Some missions feel better than others.

Flame thrower is good it seems but quasar only takes two headshots

Are you playing different game than me? We have tons of anti tank. Spear, eat, recoiless, railcannon strike, etc. the list goes on

​@@jakeshively5092key word was good

@@jakeshively5092 Even if you have 1 million options you can only bring one, or two maybe if you talking about the eat, but they all are ineffective. Need 2 quasar shots to the head to kill a behemoth charger? That's 30 seconds just for the cooldown, make it 40 for the time it takes to actually charge the thing. If you have 3 chargers on your ass, that's 2 minutes just to kill those and that is best case scenario. Why take a quasar/recoiless/eat when you can just kill them in 3 seconds with stun grenade + flamethrower? What's the point of anything other than flamethrower? I'm not asking for the flamethrower to be nerfed, i'm asking for decent anti tank options. No matter the number of options we have, if they are all trash what's the point?

@@CozySER Only 2 headshots? The thing needs 15 seconds to cooldown between shots. And 3 seconds to charge up. If you don't miss and don't waste a moment that's 21 seconds to kill one charger behemoth. And they rarely come alone.

yeah, the change basically made flamethrower even more highly desired because of how ridiculous behemoths are against AT, and how many spawn

Grenade launcher and flamethrowers is the only reliable thing especially when theres bile spewers

@@Soleprofit559 yeah, I guess. Railgun is also good (can handle everything), but honestly not so fun having to reload every shot when you need to kill multiple things

@@Soleprofit559autocannon is super good too imo. 3 shots in the ass, charger gone. Easily doable with stun nades or if they bump in a wall. Honestly just juking works too

@@GameFuMaster the railgun is not good, it just exists as an option. Like saying, you could put your balls in a blender and get a free cake, or alternatively sniff this nice flower and get the same free cake. You can get the cake through both options, but one is not good.

Wild, right? I think we need it nerfed Too much power

Spear has always been stronger than the standard AT weapons; it has more penetration and damage. It's also a *missile* launcher, not rocket.

Ikr. I do not understand why rocket/EAT type weapons exist in the first place, other than the Spear. They are so redundant and just don't provide much value. (Unless you make all of them 1 shot bile titans, then we are talking). Oh, too OP? Really?

@@LaserTractor My brother, you only have three shots and you have to aim at the enemy's head in perfect time. Why does that seem to be a problem with Spear having *too much power* ?

@@Thedeafnerd should I write it somewhere that it was sarcasm?

It's just an unintended oversight. The leg having the EXACT same hp as the AT weapons do damage, makes it plenty obvious that we're still *supposed* to be able to one-shot the legs. The slower reload speed has already been fixed and restored to it's normal speed.

Operation modifiers *ARE NOT PLANET BASED* you absolute dipshit, it's OPERATION BASED *JUST PICK A DIFFERENT OPERATION, NOT A DIFFERENT PLANET*

I was enjoying the buffed p strike until I dropped on a bug world that increases spread and then….

I wanted to like it but after using it 3 times it’s insanely inaccurate dropping nowhere near where I throw the marker at all thing is ass

@@Kratos176 Sounds like you were taking it on missions with increased scatter modifier... unfortunately it becomes useless with that. Otherwise, it's very accurate!

I’m not going to lie that sounds sick

Yay! More nerfs!

"OhDough is clickbait" says everyone on Discord. 😮

Hes actually been sneaking things in

For sure intentional. No way they can do this many accidents since release.. they are just doing PR statements to make it seem like it was unintended... if it truly was, then why take another 1-2 months to revert numbers lol

@@someone-ji2zb Agreed. If the nerf to anti-tank weapons was unintentional, and it's just a single digit damage breakpoint issue, then push out an emergency bugfix patch where you increase the damage of all the anti-tank weapons by 5 damage points to fix the issue, without affecting anything else. If your development team can't take a pre-existing build and increase a single number on three guns without breaking the entire game, you need to strongly consider firing several members of the development team and the management team that can't deliver the world's most simple bugfix in a reasonable time frame.

if you walk towards the charger behemoth while shooting eat-17 at it's leg it'll strip armor in 1 hit.