Bug Type Pokémon in RBY (And why they're not the Worst) 

Reminds me of the FSG vid on him in comp.

I wouldn't say that Parasect is "good" in Ubers; more than anything else, it just has a small but potentially amazing niche in gen4: it's immune to water thanks to having dry skin as it's ability, which lets it check choiced Kyogre, which is considered to be the best Pokemon in gen4 Ubers. It's for a similar reason why Abomasnow was also used, except that it resisted both water and electric while being neutral to ice (the 3 offensive types of Kyogre's main attacking moves), and it's snow warning ability cancels out the rain brought by drizzle due to it being slower

Other bugs that are best in ubers: Shedinja walls Kyogre Big Yellow themself brought Ariados in gen 4 ubers to mind

Thought ninjask and venomoth might be good

@@pageclayton6850ok can you explain how Ariados is not just an asserting dominance pick, I’m having trouble comprehending this

In a world with kaijus and dragons, bugs don´t stand out that much

The guy just hated his boss.

Bold of you to assume there was actually someone tasked with balancing the types

@@wedding2710 there was , it was the same guy who made all the art , code and dialogue , he was so overworked he accidentally dropped the game and broke it

And even now Bug typing doesn’t stand out; bugs from Gen 5 and Gen 7 do.

i don't think they really understood the damage formula they had in general. most pokemon games have weird base power progressions in general, but gen i is easily the _worst_ offender where you have the aforementioned scyther learning the aforementioned 35 power wing attack ... at level _50._ it learns slash at 29. sandshrew learns slash at 17 ... and then _poison sting_ at 24! then swift at 31, which, sure, there's _some_ argument that an attack that can't miss could _potentially_ have value over a move with 10 more power and a high crit chance ... but then seven levels later it learns _fury swipes_ _fury. swipes_ hell there's shit like _water gun_ being a tm - not even as, like, a cheeky secret you can use to chump brock, you find it in mt. moon and it's _immediately_ obsoleted by bubblebeam as soon as you beat misty - not to mention the sheer nonsense that is razor wind. mega punch is another mt. moon tm, but razor wind can be repurchased endlessly at celadon. except ... so can mega punch. celadon also gets you access to mega kick. both mega punch and kick aren't all that great - mega kick _is_ the strongest normal move that isn't hyper beam or self-fainting, but damn is that 75% accuracy rough - due to being so inconsistent and having no extra utility, plus mega punch's only advantage over body slam is that it can be repurchased and ... like, 5 pp?, but they also don't impact turn economy at all. razor wind _asks for a charge turn_ for ... the same power as mega punch and the _same accuracy as mega kick._ at least you could theoretically fish for crits with it? ... in gen ii, maybe, but literally the only extra effect razor wind has in gen i is the charge turn. its drawback for its ... completely mundane power with terribly consistency literally, the only thing that razor wind has over mega punch is that most pokemon that can't learn mega punch can learn it. in other words, _razor wind is basically a punishment for pokemon without hands_ oh and egg bomb is a semi-signature move for the exeggcute line and chansey that can only be taught by tm. being normal, it is a physical move in gen i. exeggcute has 40 base attack. chansey has _5._ exeggcute also only has 60 base special, but chansey has _105._ it's at least not _completely_ terrible on exeggutor's base 95 attack vs. 125 special, but that still means its special attacks deal ~30% more damage against targets with equal defense and special. it admittedly gets _literally only solar beam and psychic as special attacks,_ but can a 100 power 75% accuracy move with zero utility really stand up to either of those with a 30% stronger special? especially when exeggutor has some great utility moves to fill up its move slots? this is partially a matter of pokemon getting movesets that do not match with their stats at all, which _is_ an issue that plagues the series even to now ... but keep in mind that i said that this is a _semi-signature move._ mew can also learn it but it's a tm move and it's mew. no, by design, this is a move that is _incredibly_ limited in availability _and you have to go out of your way to use a resource to teach it to one of those three pokemon that can use it._ it is _designed_ for them ... and it's literally just a worse mega kick on pokemon that don't want mega kick to begin with oh and speaking of egg moves, chansey, and tms: softboiled is a tm move. it is also still chansey's signature move. like, actually. chansey doesn't learn it _naturally,_ yet it's the only pokemon that was supposed to be in the game that can be taught the tm. it's legitimately a tm that exists for the sole purpose of a single pokemon. a single, _extremely rare_ pokemon that can only be caught using the safari zone's minigame. this isn't related to the thing about the damage formula, it's just one of those things that makes me wonder if pokemon red and green weren't just ai generated all along

@@hi-i-am-atan Makes you think really, how this series even jump started when its first game is such a major mess in nearly every aspect. Honestly if it wasn't for Gold and Silver, this series probably wouldn't have lasted long with this amount of balance and design disparity.

@@hi-i-am-atan Water gun TM is justified actually since it's pretty realistic to have beaten through Brock's team with a slightly over-leveled Charmander which probably won't work too well on the hikers in Mt. Moon. Like half the pokemon you can catch up to that point can learn the tm so it's a good way to give a kid that has no idea what they're doing a way to deal with the rock types that will stomp their charmander.

@@EsoiTheGrumpyMawile Pokemon is just an inherently good foundation no matter how messy the actual execution is. To that point Gen 2 still had a lot of really awful stuff like Hitmontop's only stab is it's signature Triple Kick which is godawful and it doesn't even learn it until level 49. Meanwhile Hitmonlee is easier to get, has a better stat spread, and learns the excellent High Jump kick at level 26. This is of course ignoring the fact that you only get any of the hitmons at level 5 after beating the elite 4 and have to grind it up which is a big issue with a lot of pokemon in gsc including a large number of the new ones.

@@TheWrathAbove i mean that's not _wrong,_ but it still doesn't change the fact that it's an entire tm slot dedicated to the move the water starter learns at 15 ... which is actually the move it should really learn at _8_ but nope, for whatever reason charmander just gets ember at 9 while squirtle is stuck with the half power bubble for seven whole levels. which is still better than bulbasaur not being able to deal grass-type damage until level _13_ because they just. really thought pokemon being able to deal damage of their type was a _privilege_ or something? it just feels really shortsighted, especially in comparison to the option of placing a water, grass, or fighting ( with, y'know, an actual fighting type move ) pokemon on route 3 or 4 or even in mt. moon. which i mean, _technically_ they did? but it doesn't exactly count when that pokemon is a _goddamn magikarp_ actually, that's selling it short. they _did_ give you plenty of options like that ... like paras and sandshrew, neither of which learns a damaging grass or ground move naturally. or geodude, which gets you access to earthquake! ... if you grind it to _level 31 without evolving it._ or if that's not your style, you can grab a nidoran back on route 22 and grind it to _43_ for ... double kick seriously, for as many of the questionable decision yellow left in ( and, uh, made itself. truly that level 50 gen i wing attack will fix all of scyther's issues ) at least it had the decency to give you access to mankey and bring the nidoran's double kick down to level 12. they may not be as _good_ as the, uh, friggin' _water gun_ tm because they're only double effective and have to deal with the rock-types' massive defense instead of their meager special, but at least it gives you a better opportunity to play around with one of the games' _fundamental game mechanics_ without making a tm out of a move with the same stats as _pound_

Poor Avalugg even got recover in its movepool, it was destined to be a wall yet that typing shot it in the foot.

@@angrycinnabon2956 now it added Rock, so it’s even worse.

OG Avalugg actually makes it work, even though it would obviously prefer to be something else instead. I have zero hopes for the hisui form tho

especially when it seems like they could be fast design wise but just aren't like glaceon, glastrier and frosmoth

@@angrycinnabon2956 to be honest avalugg is actually quite a good defensive mon somehow, it getting recover and rapid spin let's it sustain and keep rocks from chipping it as most rockers get clapped by it aside a few, though it has a lot of weaknesses it has trouble switching in it also has strangely solid coverage that does the same for opponents as for example on of the common rock setters it cannot switch into is heatran which gets chunked by eq, I recommend reading the smogon articles for it in gen 7 ou as it's genuinely shocking seeing the laundry list of what it counters or checks containing some the most deadly wallbreakers in the tier.

RBY is the Melee of Pokémon: it’s broken, but the bugginess is really part of what gives a bizarre amount of viability to Pokémon that seemingly shouldn’t have ANY. Raticate, for example, has a poor BST, but getting Super Fang + Hyper Beam gives it a theoretical 2 hit on almost every Pokémon in the game. Fire types are dealt bad matchups, but they’re almost all fast, and many have Fire Spin to try and fight back against rough matchups like Rhydon or Slowbro with partial trapping, and having a BP 120 STAB with a more than 25% chance to inflict burn per click gives a nice chance of survival TLDR: it’s broken in the best way

@@spindash64 too bad the fire types can actively revert your progress if you happened to get a freeze beforehand

Let's put it this way. I was a playground legend and undefeated at recess because I had a single level 100 Pokémon (Raichu). I didn't have any other level 100s. I didn't even have a Zapdos because I killed it, and I'm pretty sure my movesets were trash. Gen 1s charm was not in its balance (or lack of bugs). The beauty was the core game play itself. I'm glad others have figured the game out and made it more fun, but the fact that most teams use the same core 3 tells you everything you need to know.

Immeasurable disappointment

Dorcelessness

and the only pokemon that could learn it would be dewgon.

Butterfree has Psychic moves. It's fine.

I agree. With 110 Attack, 105 Speed, and X-Scissor, I could even see Scyther having a small niche in Gen 1 OU. It'd be an immense threat to six of the big players in that meta, and it'd be very dangerous if it got to set up at all. Pinsir would probably be very strong in UU.

@@HobGungan yeah and butterfree has always been a good support pokemon what with its powder moves and all. (like i think it's still used in vgc doubles)

Hell, I don't think X-Scissor, or whatever it would've been called had it been introduced in Gen1, would've been necessary Even something as simple as Leech Life having its modern day damage from the start [base 80 power today vs base 20 back then] would've helped a fair bit, plus it'd also be supplying a little bit of longevity due to the life leeching and all

It gets even funnier still when you realize that the best user of any bug type move in gen1 is Jolteon, which not only doesn't have a good attack stat, but also doesn't get STAB on it's bug move, pin missle

@@matthewkuscienko4616 awesome

My absolute top priority in all thse vids

@@BigYellowSilly i heavy appreciate Goley/Golem

In The Next Pokemon Video Just Name One Of The Pokemon "sus"

Notorious B.U.G is a chad

Scyther actually killed me lmao

Pinsir Missile

I wonder what the damage on Pinsir’s Vice Grip would be like if it was Bug type

One problem - Pinsir doesn't have any pins.

​@@rakino4418 Uhh yeah it does? PINSir???

@@neevko267 its a corruption of pincer

I'd love if it got an evolution, defo deserves one imo

@@BigYellowSilly How would it evolve?

@@HD-nb7kw I think a hivemind-type design could be cool. Just imagine, the main Parasect has been completely covered by the mushroom, almost looking like Crustle. The limbs are fungified Paras that act as the arms and legs. And for its unique move, it would be spore on every Pokémon on the field.

@@BigYellowSilly Evo idea: Parasect fucking dies and becomes a ghost type finally free of the mind controling mushrooms

I agree with anyone here but also I think we're overlooking the incredibly hilarious fact about how in gen 4 Parasect kicked down the door to Ubers to bully Kyogre with a water immunity + Spore

I do think it's interesting to think about Gen 1 like that cause they probably had no idea of the staying power this series had, so they potentially just thought about how the game was balanced for people playing the story and not so much about pvp

Indeed! Bug types were meant to be the DQ Slimes of Pokemon, Poison was "Evil", and Dragons were "Bosses".

Would be cool if you insist using the underpowered bug types of the games beginning, and they eventually get good at lvl 50+.

The bug types in late game were supposed to be good, though. They just didnt yet understand what made a good pocket monster

​@BigYellowSilly i mean thats probably why onix is so... onix. It seems designed entirely around being brocks ace and as a result sucks

It's tasty, I tell ya true.

I see no reason not to do this. Got to love Breloom.

That'd be a redundant video because everybody already knows Breloom is the perfect being that cannot be surpassed by any other.

seconded. technician is so fucking cool. plus they have lil t-rex arms...

Breloom from the game Breloom is from (and why they're cool)

Gotta love spore Breloom!

This works great for pokemon like Butterfree and Beedrill, but Idk if it really applies to Scyther, Pincer or Venamoth whom are all mid-late game encounters and seemingly designed as such.

@@TheWrathAbove hell two of those don't even have evolutions as a way to give them extra early game power.

@@suddenllybah You can't get nor do you encounter Venonat till mid-game either. All three are supposed to be mid to end-game bugs that shows what the cream of the crop of the type can really do when not restricted to early game. They just really fumbled the ball doing that in gen 1 imo.

Their stats aren't bad for early game but... The moves are terrible

When Scyther works specifically because it’s the least Bug-type like Pokémon

Even better is how they made scizor a buffed Scyther without changing base stat total at all.

Giving Beedrill moves like Drill Run in Gen 5 made me have it on my team as a serious pick. Added on top of that its Sniper HA and you got a fun mon to use

They min-maxed so hard they actually lowered it's special attack (which it wasn't going to use anyway).

Mega Beedrill dies from being breathed on a little too easily, but with only a 100 BST increase there wasn't a lot they could do about that.

@@FlamingZelda3 to be fair they did also change its type to one of the best in the game

Stab auto crit slash with an EQ resistence go brrrrrrrrr

Probably a top UU threat, but that's just a guess

SD stab hyper beam OHKOs the majority of non-resists. It would definitely shake up the OU meta.

@@fengb1122 I don't think it would shake up the OU meta per say seeing as Rhydon is present and has consistant usage, Scyther just has no way of passing it. If anything though it would probably have a niche and be good in UU, probably being the best swords dancer in terms of viability in OU, like C Tier or maybe C+ ? But I don't think any further would be possible due to Rhydon existing and the unreliability of sd in general, as well as things like reflect snorlax which it can get past with slash but crit slashes also ignore his attack boosts from Sds so yeah. As for UU seeing it's speed tier and all I don't see it any lower than A Tier.

@@boniour3883 reflect Snorlax can’t switch into a sweep, and Snorlax takes 86-101% so any chip makes him a useless check. With how much hyper beam does to Rhydon (37-43%), Scyther can actually switch into an earthquake, SD on the rock slide with good survival odds, and proceed to sweep. It might not see a lot of play, but the *threat* of a sweep would force some changes, such as bump Rhydon to big 4 and possibly bring up Zapdos / Jolteon.

Not just a massive OU threat. I honestly believe it would be one of the best Pokemon in the entire game if it had Megahorn in gen 1.

Heck, if X-Scissor was in gen 1 and Pinsir had it then it'd be really good

​@@bubalackgaming8892as in competing with mew and mewtwo?

Hey you can actually catch pinsir in later games. It at least has that going for it.

@@Neogears1312 been playing Shining Pearl. Still upset over the fact it was easier to get a Feebas than finding Heracross.

Because Normal types were still really good in Gen 2 and you had some new threats like Tyranitar that would get completely smashed by a fighting move. Honestly for as underpowered Bugs are some of the biggest meta threats have usually been bug types paired with another really good type that synergises well like Steel.

@@caldw615 That's because while the bug type as a whole is generally unimpressive (in no small part due to how many there are that are just plain bad), the type does still have a surprisingly decent number of hidden gems that are actually quite good. Some examples include things like Volcarona, Scizor, Venomoth, Yanmega, Pheromosa, and (as you mentioned) Heracross. Again, the main problem I think the bug type struggles with is that for every good one, there are 2-3 that are impressively bad to just utter shit

@@matthewkuscienko4616 Maybe in the first few generations, but ever since Gen 5 bug types have been consistently good or usable at the very least. Pheramosa, Leavanny, Scolipede, Vivillion, Buzzwole, Araquanid, Orbeetle, etc. And there are some from Gen 1-4 which are good or became good later (or were useable) on such as Scyther/Scizor, Heracross, Pinsir, Butterfree, etc

This is why it's hard for me to go back to the pre-split games. It's bizarre that Game Freak never thought to implement the split sooner. The games feel broken when physical/special is tied to types.

I'd argue that while gen 1 and 2 are fairly horrendous in this aspect. Gen 3's learnsets are generally pretty reasonable and mainly just held back by the lack of the physical/special split.

I always found it silly that Ghost was a physical attacking type before the split

@@TheWrathAbove Yeah, I grew up with Ruby and I can’t fault Gen 3 too much for the issue.

I'll never understand the ghost/dark situation in the older games. Shadow ball is a physical attack and bite/crunch are special...? Yeah okay gamefreak

What I really find weird is that Poison was weak to Bug right back. Which I don’t even understand, even less if that part still counts in later Gens.

@@isenokami7810 It isn't. I think they both resist each other now?

Same, kinda. I dabble in competitive from time to time, but I’m more into the niche stuff like Little Cup. For me, I like watching these kinds of videos because it gives me a peak into an aspect of something I like that I’d otherwise almost never touch, giving me a greater appreciation and understanding of it without having to bang my head against a wall trying to figure it out myself.

You wanna know what the best Pokemon players feel about certain Pokemon like me.

Me too. I started with foofootoo, then Wolfey, then freezai, now I've discovered this channel. No intention of ever playing competitive Pokemon myself. It's just interesting!

Dropping all them names and not giving shout out to the biggest bad bug of all..... my boy Shuckle

@@MadMalMan Shuckle is overrated

Yeah, given how much a lot of the bad is reinforced with new throwaway bugs each Gen, it’s sort of understandable that the type would get a bad rap. But it’s definitely easier to appreciate these days: Scyther and Pinsir got brought up to where they were probably meant to be, and we’ve been getting plenty of new good bug types too, like Heracross and Scolipede (actually, Venipede is pretty terrible, but that makes it satisfying to even get it up to Whirlipede and suddenly it’s great). While I’ll admit to being kinda basic with Lucario as my favorite Pokémon (I have actual reasons though), one Pokémon that would absolutely make my top ten is Larvesta. Didn’t count is as Volcarona, though the love carries over, since I’m much more familiar with the earlier form (similarly, I think of Gabite more than Garchomp with that line because I’ve spent the most time using it over its other stages). But that’s just it: even before it evolves, Larvesta is amazing. Great with both its main types, the grub will absolutely wreck stuff. It says a lot that I went into Violet planning to raise a Salazzle for my main team Fire type, only to ditch that plan the second I saw Larvestas in the desert.

Furthermore, Ground types have consistently been execellent, and Fighting types or coverage is now increasingly wanted. It now makes sense to want to use better Bug-typed Pokémon.

Thanks so much! I'm really glad you enjoyed (:

Thanks

Huh, neat.

@@samuelteriba7619 No problem!

That's interesting insight. I guess it makes more sense that their moves are so weak, tho outright not giving bug move to scyther and pinsir who aren't supposed to be weak isn't explained by that.

@@theowlogram888 Hard agree, Pinsir and Scyther were great for the type standard in this gen, they didn't deserve this

I loved using it in Crystal Clear where it got Megahorn and all the Gen 1 TM moves

Twineedle has the edge case of poisoning Steel types. Not recommending you try it, but it's at least not nothing.

What

@@jbdbibbaerman8071 Regigigas is pretty much completely unviable because its overwhelming stat line is completely neutered by its ability, Slow Start. Slow Start halves its Attack and Speed for FIVE TURNS, which is an eternity by Pokemon battle standards. And the worst part is, Regigigas has been uniquely incompatible with certain protective moves pretty much every other Pokemon is compatible with, like Protect, that would at least allow it to try and stall out that timer. But here's where Weezing comes in. In Sw/sh, G-Weezing was introduced, and both it and regular Weezing got a new ability, Neutralizing Gas. Neutralizing Gas prevents other Pokemon's Abilities from working. Hang on, Regigigas' whole problem is its ability! There has to be a doubles synergy here, right? Well, sort of, but not as good as you'd think. Yes, Neutralizing Gas does deactivate Regigigas' ability, giving it its stats back immediately... but only as long as Weezing is on the field. In a cruel decision by Game Freak, when Neutralizing Gas is removed from the field, SLOW START REACTIVATES. And what's worse? ITS TURN TIMER *LITERALLY RESTARTS.*

@@misirtere9836 oh interesting! Thanks for explaining.

Honestly, this makes sense. The non-Galar Regis are hated. Why would it’s only chance to viability work out in its favor maximally?

@@misirtere9836 keeping weezing on the field isnt too difficult with tech like focus sash, protect, will-o-wisp, etc. Not to mention the fact that during the time the opponent is attempting to remove the weezing, regigas will dynamax 9 times out of ten and either start landing kos, or at least firing off max strikes, consistently lowering its opponents speed which sets up for another sweeper to take over until slow start had expired. When it first became popular it had the coal-pull effect, if you didnt have a direct counter on your team then you lost the game before turn 1 even started.

Wait how come?

@@sketch-eee4165 Gen 4 it got Tinted Lens so it was like a decent Choice Specs user in NU or a Sleep Powder user, Gen 5 it got Quiver Dance, then Gen 6, Fairy's Introduction helped it a lot, and Baton Pass made it like genuinely insane in OU until Pass got banned, but even then it was banned from RU for terrorizing the tier, was a UU staple in Gen 7, and though it dropped to RUBL again, it's still even in it's smogon analysis rightfully said that it is a threat to sweep in UU if left unchecked. Venomoth and Crawdaunt are basically the only two Pokemon to get completely reverse power crept.

@@airtempest8945 the crawdaunt glow up was BONKERS

@@airtempest8945 oh wow! Dang Venomoth got buffed bit by hit as the generations went on! Didn't think about that since I don't think I have many venomoths. They are weirdly rare in the series since aside from gen 1 and 2 remakes and gen 4's underground (I think. I don't have the game yet) it seems to be weirdly rare to come by.

Technically Beartic is also properly reverse crept but to a much less extent. It sucked in its generation but does a lot in Gen 8 NU. However, Beartic was only given a chance to shine via the problem of the Arcto- fossils, so take his success what you will.

At least mega beedrill was pretty solid later on. Base beedrill is just sad.

Beedrill Looking Like a Dumpster

Beedrill isn't even good in-game. It's such a sad existence in gen 1.

Sonic cd ost is the shit!

It’s just really depressing since butterfree actually gets to be amazing earlygame but beedrill goes from mediocre to awful

If I'm ever just casually playing a Pokémon game I try to go out of my way to use weaker mons, mainly to make the game harder but also as an excuse to use mons like Beedrill

@@BigYellowSilly Well, if you’re ever feeling like playing Gen 2 or HGSS casually, might be fun in a sadomasochistic way to try seriously running Sentret. Not Furret, just Sentret. I, uh, did that my first time through HG. I was too into Regular Show and wanted a Rigby, but the reference stops working if it evolves. Short version: poor guy spent half of the endgame dead. Even powerleveled, Sentret just can’t take the routes to Victory Road, let alone the Elite Four. But I mean, if you’re into trying…

Probably not OU, but maybe UU

@@simonalbert7518 I mean, a 80 power base stab move guaranteed crit that hits psychic types super effective dmg againts psychic would be a boulder if persian, with a 70 attack and 70 dmg crit move is considered for ou, just inagine a much more powerful one that destroys the best deffensive type in the game and could only be endured by healthy rhydon/golem or cloyster/lapras on the switch (and also destroying reflectlax) it even has more bulk than persian

wrote psychic two times I'm dumb

@@ed7524 The problem is it can't switch in itself and x-scissor (if it had a high crit rate) would not be able to be boosted by sd and if it didn't have a high crit rate, it wouldn't have immediate power.

@@simonalbert7518 Scyther's bulk isn't fantastic but 70/80 isn't that far away from tauros and it's worth the effort of double switching or waiting for a faint to get him on the field, being so hard to wall (and It doesn't really need sd being that x scissor would hit harder than hyper beam and it's only resisted by zapdos and the rare gengar)

Kabuto and Kabutops should be bug/rock pokemon, trilobites live underwater but that's it, they have no reason to be water type, Kabuto even learns Absorb by level, a grass type version of Lich Life

It was for flavoring. Pokémon works on flavoring (and not even then), not sense. In this case the flavoring was between two Water/Rock types for similarity.

Reading this comment makes me want to face a bug catcher with some of the better bugs we got over the years. Like, imagine running into Bug Catcher Billy in a forest and expecting the usual weak Bug/Flyings, and then he pulls out a Larvesta (or Arceus forbid Volcarona) and pushes your $&@$ in.

Fairy Types: I apparently resist Bug so made then worse

@@darianclark3980 Yeah I still don’t know why they thought that was necessary.

@JOSE MARIO PEROZO FUENMAYOR Bug/Steel is genuinely a very good type combo and Scizor really likes only being weak to fire.

@@TheWrathAbove bug steel is incredible synergy and bug's most impressive attribute has almost always been the ground resist

@@aetherius6221 Yeah, Ground is easily steel's worst weakness which is why a lot of the strongest steel types are ones that mitigate that weakness.

AYOOOO fellow oarasect leech life user. When I first beat the game, I had parasect on my team as a counter to psychics and grass poisons. It was only years later that I learned that leech life actually has a low base power

And even now it’s not that Bugs are good, it’s that bugs from Gen 5 and Gen 7, and Centiskorch, are good. Who cares about Orbeetle and Frosmoth? Or Vivillon? And at this point anyone who enjoys a little competitive Pokémon knows that your only other option is Scizor, and given how the other Bug types are that was an accident. Of course, Heracross and Pinsir are nice,

@@iantaakalla8180 its not like all gen 5 bugs are that good either. You have leavanny that has TWO quad weaknesses.

@@iantaakalla8180 Orbeetle and Frosmoth are good-in-principle mons saddled by having type combos with no defensive synergy (there's a reason there were no Bug/Psychic or Bug/Ice types before gen 8). Vivillon is actually quite good in the right hands bc Compound Eyes Sleep Powder off 89 base Speed, and then can set up all over with Quiver Dance or even do some cheese with its signature move Powder. truth be told Bug as a type isn't bad in a vacuum, but a lot of bug types are just designed to be weaker mons similar to the endless early route/dex filler normal types. the fact that a lot of them have 4x weaknesses doesn't help matters

Better than ice? Not really with a 90%accuracy stab blizzard, and 30% of freezing your opponent. And in gen1 freeze you cannot unfreeze by yourself unless you get hit with a fire move, apart from firespin, but fire types are non-existent in ou. Beedrill is weak to psychic, we don't talk about butterfree, who is also slow, scyther is ok, but lack of decent bug moves while is weak to ice/electric/rock (pretty common moves) the immunity to earthquake doesnt really amend for all of these. It's not super fast either. Dragonite can atleast spam the opponent with wrap strategies, and if itis able to outspeed them, maybe with a T-WAVE, and if your opponent doesnt have rhydon/golem/gengar, you pretty much win,since the momentum is completely yours, it has 85% accuracy,however. There are definetily 2 mons you outspeed in everyteam and more specifically chansey and snorlax, so Dragonite wrap strat is not so niche. You need to have an answer for that. Ofcourse you also outspeed the forementioned rockt ypes, but they are partly ground, so you cant paralyze them with T-WAVE so as to minimize the consequences in case you miss since it has 85% accuracy and you are doing super small damage, and because of that they can pp stall wrap easily if you continue hitting them, making the strat useless. Better than ghosts? Gengar can build great momentum cause is immune to normal, making it an excellent pivot pokemon, and in case youuse explosion you always have a chance of a comeback cause you may kill something important or re-build moment cause you are sending a new pokemon out. Better than fighting? I'm not sure how to answer that since both types face similar problems

The only problem with mono ice is that it only has five Pokémon that are fully evolved. Sure, you get jynx, cloyster, Lapras, articuno, and…dewgong. Seel and shellder are water type, which leaves you without a sixth slot. This makes team preview for the other team much easier to decipher in the builder, and because you have to use the same five mons, you have to basically use the same builds each time you play ice in monotype, placing you at a huge disadvantage. There’s some debate at whether it’s better than fighting and maybe rock, though, which is I guess something.

@@chesslo2158 Srr i didnt read the monotype

WTF I never knew gen1 monotype is a thing

Parasect would still be bad even if it had physical seed bomb and X-scissor, But i otherwise agree entirely.

I could see it tbh even just something like HP Bug

There's a glitch move, called TM28, that's Bug type. It has a truly respectable 85 power, an unfortunate 46% accuracy, and *has a 30% chance to drop the target's Special.* It's like.. proto Bug Buzz. I think if TM28 was legal, and some of these mons got it, it'd be a major player

@@waffledoctor87 Not really. Bc like you said, 85 power Bug Move with 46% Accuracy. . . That's Zap Cannon in a Nutshell and Zap Cannon is Horrendous unless used correctly(mainly on a Magneton)

@@darianclark3980 I mean some Alakazam run DynamicPunch in Gen 2 just to try and deal with Tyranitar a bit better, so I wouldn't rule it out, especially with everything having maxed out stats.

@@CruelFire99 Dynamic Punch is 100 Power 50 Accuracy and 100% Confusion. Plus in Gen 4 No Guard Machamp Runs Dynamic Punch Aka the TM28 Glitch in Gen 1 would not barely be use

*try making a tourney

And Wing Attack, which might as well not exist

This is a good point I've never really thought about, I do understand that they're usage based tiers so having "used" is neat, but there's so many now it's wild

Oh my b, it's 50 Defense right

@@BigYellowSilly yes. It's fine, though. I think it be fun for you to tackle the poison type or the psychic type. The psychic type mainly for you to rant on Slowbro (Or as you like to call it: "Slowblow").

THANK YOU I think they're fire

To be fair, my boy Mega Beedrill vibed in UU while he was around.

@@TheWrathAbove sadly for beedrill, it was a rather decent mega but with only one mega slot you could use Aerodactyl if you want a fast and strong mega