Bugging Out To Nowhere: A SHTF Fantasy 

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I think this is a good point to bring up. Sometimes you HAVE TO bug out, think natural disasters and such. In these scenarios you're at the mercy of the state apparatus. You can/should have plans in place to allow this to be less of a painful process. But ultimately you're reliant on having a functional gov to bail you out, and return normalcy to you. At the moment, that's very much the case in the US

Never thought of it that way before. That’s a good one.

That crashed toxic train, flash floods, fire, etc. Couple of scenarios why you'll want to bug out. Agreed that its far from ideal unless you have a stocked cabin as your goal.

​@tnh723 in those scenarios, bugging out would just be renting a hotel room 3 cities over

You’re damn right! An army marches on its belly!

Unless your house was flooded, burned down, swallowed by a mudslide, eaten by a sinkhole, polluted by toxic waste from a train derailment, destoyed by artillery, or they want to throw you in a gulag, and now you need to bugout to a hotel in another city, a relative's house, a refugee camp, or another country.

I agree... for the most part. There ARE potential SHTF situations that might require "Bugging Out". Some Natural disasters like a Tidal Wave, Major Earthquake, or Yellowstone, would require leaving certain areas.

@@Snapper314 yep, lots of reasons that require bugging out. Ideally we would be bugging out to somewhere (like parents/inlaw's homes) which might require a day or three of camping to get there depending on the event and gridlocked roads

That's my plan😈

What caused that? At first I assumed Corona, but that would have been half way thru that shit.

Civil unrest on an epic scale, the cause or rather "spark" itself was something as stupid as the imprisonment of the former president, but most agree the root cause was a combination of all the social ills of the country like mass unemployment, lack of service delivery etc. etc. etc. just reaching boiling point. The big pot itself however, is yet to boil over... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_South_African_unrest

​@@tsubadaikhan6332 It's a complicated, and bad situation, but basically the government is extremely corrupt. President Zuma was arrested, and imprisoned, and his supporters went apeshite. I actually recommend Americans study the history of South Africa, because it's kinda all gone wrong.

@@benpearson49 Ah. I'm actually Australian. I know a little about SA history, and I'm on the West Coast. We have quite a few SA ex-pats, but they generally have a white persons perspective on that history. There was a patch when we were easier to migrate to, and a popular choice being almost the shortest journey to a Euro style Gov from SA's Eastern side. I'm fairly well versed that Zuma was very corrupt, but ignorant of any particulars. The little I know is that SA's far more complicated than Australia.

underrated comment everyone thinks shtf happening is every man for himself thats not human nature real humans...idk we are social

Comrade, we must liberate the catalytic converters and return them to the people.

Viva la catalytic converter

A backpack and 12 bricks of 22LR haha The donners are a interesting case study, I actually almost mentioned it here. They were far far more skilled in what they were doing. And they still got clapped by slightly bad timing.

​@BrassFacts at least they got to eat their grandparents 😂

​@@yoinky woah. "Got to" ...?

​@@BrassFactsthat 12 bricks of .22 made me bust out laughing, I used to think that way.

@@kevinm.n.5158 we all did. why do you think 22LR was so hard to find in 2012 gunscare

The demographic that like bugging out are probably inversely related to those that have actually backpacked. Even a basic 3 day trip is very eye opening, and even then you're 100% living off of supplies.

That’s why I like any smart man have removed my arms and legs so I don’t have to eat so much. 😎 become the reason your town has rumors of the snakeman today

Why do you think people wouldn't farm food? I know many animals that multiply faster than you'd want, take up little space, will eat grass or whatever.

I can get food or water in almost any environment that I foresee myself in assuming I have freedom of movement.

​@BrassFacts I've gone on hundreds of backpacking trips. People live in so much luxury I think many would perish without Starbucks and chipotle but actually our bodies are made for handling less than what we'd ever consider putting into a bug out bag... but not everyone would live without having someone else gather, hunt, farm, fight, processs foods, provide potable water, and handle basic injuries. For these people a bug out bag is about as helpful as a chemistry kit is to me.

boredom keeps you productive and more importantly alive. Bugging out or not, if you can't handle being bored then the long nap is your best bet for survival. 🤷

@@The_world_is_not_worthy_of_Him you might also consider keeping a jacuzzi in your bugout bag, and a 9 foot long grand piano...

Just get a faraday sleeve and pack some form of portable entertainment. Get a dummy phone and fill an SD card with survival books/guides/mp3s/movies. Slap it in a faraday pouch with a small foldable 20W solar panel and 10,000-20,000mah power bank. Worth it if you aren't too too concerned with weight. There's also products you can buy to turn that same phone to function as a ham radio.

Here in Portland we do have zombies everywhere!! I'm not kidding!!

@@chrisbohanon403 perhaps fairly soon you will be able to use them for target practice...

Individualism is a death cult

Yeah, and remember that a person who made it to the age of thirty was considered an old man...

@@user-zg5wj6lc4enot really actually, we have evidence that old then was still old now (60+), after all, we have people now that survive to 80 or more without modern medicine. Elders were in fact old and frail, something which 30 year olds don’t spontaneously become, they were just rarer

@@user-zg5wj6lc4e The infant mortality rate in ancient groups is what drags their average age down. If enough of children don't make it past the age of 1 then it is going to lower a group's average age. I also don't understand the troll, here. Are you trying to say those people would have lived longer as "rugged individuals"? Did you misunderstand what the OP was saying when you commented and now you're too embarrassed to say anything else?

I feel like Hollywood is partly to blame for this type of scenario. Every cataclysmic or survival movie/series is always kill or be killed and now it's the normal assumption of what should happen in an event like that. What people fail to realize is that humans were not always top of the food chain until we remained in large groups. Alone, we are more fragile than any other animal on this planet.

@@lipp1992 Yeah, pretty much. In the modern developed world most of us often don’t know our neighbors very well if at all, don’t have to cooperate with each other and we don’t share a real community bond. I think about how all these manufactured social/cultural, political and religious wars that are being waged by people and how it drives us apart. It’s a real shame. If we could just cooperate and focus on things that benefit us we would likely be colonizing space by now, curing or preventing most diseases, protecting our land and the flora and fauna and taking care of each other on a large scale. We could do it but we’re too busy with our collective BS and can’t help but letting our worst impulses take over. It’s good to want to protect yourself and your group. It’s a natural instinct. If taken too far you isolate yourself from others and miss out on opportunities to grow stronger and more successful.

And it's the people out in BFE who would do that. People living in cities would know better. Look at what happened during the pandemic. The ones out in the rural areas and small towns and yes, conservative communities were getting COVID and dying because they wouldn't mask up, wouldn't stop packing themselves into their churches, and wouldn't get vaccinated, while people living in cities masked up, stayed home, got vaxxed, and were careful when they did go out. And if you got sick, medical facilities were close, paramedics could come and get you, and friends, neighbors, coworkers could help if necessary. I decided that being in the city was a far safer bet than being in some small town during that emergency.

@@ostrich67 There would be a lot of suspicion of outsiders in rural areas and small communities, without a doubt. That anti-vaccine/anti-mask stuff happened because it got tied up in politics and the manufactured social and culture wars being waged by others mostly to stir up their political base. Cities are a problem because people are tightly packed together. Disease and a shortage of resources make cities a bad place to be of it’s going to be an extended scenario and there is no relief. Food, fresh water, medicine, electricity (for heat), etc… will run out quickly in cities. You wouldn’t want to be crammed together with people for extended periods because desperate people will do desperate things. It’s necessary to protect yourself and the group you are relying on but it needs to be reasonable. In SHTF scenarios there is a lot of stress and people will tend to overreact. You have to be aware of this so you don’t overreact. It’s the ones that think they can handle stress but can’t and are prone to be aggressive with others and have a “shoot first ask questions later” mentality that will create more chaos and stress. It’s a complicated thing and more about being cool, staying calm and thinking before acting.

There will be _many_ Darwin awards handed over the first few weeks. And a lot of loot bags to pick up by those who secure their locations and resources during the worst of the starting turbulence.

Random dude at the preppers woodland convention: "I bet you are all wondering why I gathered you here". The survivor of the gunfight "So anyway, I started blasting"

It will be a nice loot drop for the Locals.

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Curious why so many people think the outdoors would be swarming with people. I’d conservatively say that

@@Jonathan-rm6kt If the cities run out of food those people will be roving the landscape like locusts. A good many will be survivalists/outdoorsman heading to your "secret spot" either on purpose or by accident.

No. They were roughing it out with *_THEIR OWN FAMILY._* Not random losers who happen to live on the same street as them. In other words; not their competition. You must be a real nice guy or really well stocked to think you can worry about your competitions survival. Also there is literally no proof of established comms and trade networks in *_PREHISTORY._* Do you even know what prehistory means? You do realize prehistory _literally_ predates societies and cultures, right? You know, the 2 things required to establish comms and trade?

Yeah, they estimate the population of North America was about 50 million before Europeans arrived- not buildings, no cities, vast forest and plains with herds of bison so big you couldn’t see the end or beginning of them. Rivers and lakes full to the brim with fish. Flocks of birds that made the sky dark, and fruit and nut trees in abundance. And for Europeans without experience of surviving in the wilderness, they dropped like flies. Now 10x the population and a tiny fraction of natural resources left

@@tomhannigan2234 There actually were buildings and cities, Tenochitlan was a pretty massive city and even further north in places like the Chaco ruins or the NE USA where a lot of tribes had settled down and made permanent villages. The idea that there wasn't any civilization pre europe is old propaganda. I agree with the greater point about communities though.

@@KrikZ32 Sorry, I am aware of Tenochitlan, I was referring more to the Northern Nomadic populations- because that is a little more relevant to this kind of survival. My mistake on not differentiating.

Lone wolfs would've been largely impossible for any significant amount of time in prehistory. Nowadays things are much more plausible and reasonable. If you were going to be that lone wolf surviving until your 70's nowadays would be the time for it, at least there's that. But starting from scratch and lone wolfing it today? No chance. Odds are way, way out of your favor.

It is. But some people don't know that. Hence the point of this video.

That's the well reasoned conclusion of a properly thought out plan. For a large number of people, they just plan to go "somewhere" and "live off the land", while knowing nothing about gardening, foraging, hunting, fishing , trapping, food preservation, or any of a wide variety of skills required. They'll be loot caches for the unscrupulous.

Or being able to stay alive while there's a violent presence near where you used to live. Basically, waiting it out remotely till they move on.

Your bug out bag should be enough supplies to travel to somewhere else. It shouldn't be your plan to survive in the wilderness indefinitely, which is another more complex set of skills.

@@watch7966most people can not afford there own home as well a second location just in case.

Bugging out should always be a last resort. If the odds are against you if you stay in one spot; then retreat. If not then stand your ground. You will have a better time to fortify your home along with having a few friends defend against a larger force than if you all make a run for it and get picked off.

Or _cowering_ would be a more accurate description.

So each time a cat 3+ hurricane comes we bug out as we always return instead of evacuating?

Not sure where you got that from. "popularized in the Korean War (1950-53) in such phrases as “bug-out fever” (rout) and “the big bug out” (November/December 1950 retreat) and entered civilian slang by mid 1950s." It has always meant what it means here.

No, you bugout when you have to do it in a hurry. You evacuate when you have plenty of time. There's a reason you keep a bugout bag. It's specifically so you can grab it and run like hell.

Precisely

that's correct. he's just trying to dispel the idea that bugging out is a good option. it's a required option, if the time comes, but not something you should look forward to.

Yes. It is the last option. I ironically have not prepped anything except my inner self. I'm still working that out unfortunately and a little worried when in my ego, otherwise surprisingly calm as well. I know we must face whatever we have to and that it is all preplanned and the return of Christ comes after this tribulation.

Exactly!

How’s that going to work with the roads full of cars? Freeways get backed up bumper to bumper just on ordinary days.

Do you honestly think staying home with endless threats all around you is going to be “comfortable”.. lol

@@lanejohnson7656 it will be way more comfortable ...do you think anyone is going to sustain an attack with people in every direction shooting at them?

@@dmsawyer No.. That’s why I think it’s ridiculously stupid to think you can stay home and sustain an attack from all directions, depending where you live.. Now if you live out in the country sure. But if you live in a town with neighbors all around you not so much. If you live in a city or suburb you are pretty much screwed. Take myself for example.. I live in a town of maybe 1,500 people. Few years ago a tornado more than 1 mile wide hit like 36 miles south and stayed on the ground for like 45 minutes. We were without power for over a month and people were acting like they were about to die regardless the grocery store having a natural gas generator and they had to drive a whole 20 miles to get gas for generators. And thankfully the city has natural gas generator to run the sewage pumps so toilets didn’t back up.. All tho it wasn’t extremely horrible the meth heads still took advantage and stole a lot of stuff.. I pretty much know everyone here and can easily count several hundred people that would be a problem in SHTF. And I would be willing to bet 98% of people here have less than a weeks worth of food in their house.. The trouble makers we do have like the meth heads their families make excuses for them and defend them regardless what they do so when their family members act up in SHTF people won’t be able to deal with them without having to deal with their families also. I pretty much live in a town people would think it’s relatively safe to stay home, but no way am I safe here nor could I defend it.. It’s utterly ridiculous thinking I could.. Especially talking to many of them trying to build a community and make plans.. They haven’t a clue what I have, but they will know I have more than they do when they have nothing. I only have a handful of people in my group that are prepared and we all have agreed there is no f’n way we could defend one of our homes in town and why we have multiple locations out of town. Between the handful of us we pointed out over 100 guys that are already egotistical azzes that will try to run the show and won’t listen to anyone. They will also lose their f’n mind and be a major pain in the azz in SHTF. One of them is a member of my groups brother and even he admits it.. Moral of the story is if you live in town you might get a long with those living around you now. But wait when SHTF happens and they are doing without, especially if they have children and are severely disparate to provide. Defending your home won’t be so easy when they are coming from all sides, especially if they suspect you have supplies.. You might be hella prepared with solar and everything to live comfortably, but you might as well be waving a flag saying come get it if you use power recklessly and cooking will be extremely hard.. When people are hungry the scent of you cooking is going to travel a LONG ways..

@@lanejohnson7656 lolol you just spoke in circle around what I said...you are in a hardened place at home ...your merry band of marauders will face attack just getting near my home from all people defending their bug in...clue in

@@lanejohnson7656A i don't even think you live in an environment where there has been a disaster B mutualism is by far the norm in a social animal C people actually see the value in banding together in fixed locations since the dawn of time wins most of the time... by having resources... defensive perimeters situational awareness coms and home field advantage ...when two of your raiding party get gut popped ...it's going to take 6 or more just to get them out pretending the Offense is a winning game plan in SHTF is child's play fiction

Gonna watch that, thanks for the recommendation.

Good call, I’d forgotten about movie!

Ha! I just watched that a couple months ago. You're right, it was pretty realistic and educational!

I take some small amount of pride knowing that when I eventually become a loot drop I will be a legendary loot drop. I have a recurring nightmare that my murderer doesn’t bother to take my Vacheron Constantin because “It’s not a Rolex” 😂

And what if the area you live in is full of undesirables?

​@@LaughingMan44move, especially if you live around 13%

​@MudHut67 Then bug out now, buy a place and establish yourself in a community and suffer the long drive to work. It's great for learning languages and listening to podcasts lmao

​@@spencer5028that's something that never really gets addressed or it's just rolled into "the undesirables" or the "masses" They're human locusts, they just destroy and consume and eventually you'll have to cross paths with the 13%

"Boy, is that true!" - one of the 80% support personnel

I thought it was 10 percent to 90 percent. Maybe that is prior to WWII that I was thinking of, though.

Depending if youre at your home continent; murica version @@w.redmond3534

@@w.redmond3534 I had always heard that combat arms make up about 10% of the military, and the rest of us are support. it takes quite a bit of support to keep the grunts grunting.

In WW2 I read where only 1 out of 100 saw combat. I bet now it would be even less.

Not to mention most, if not all land is owned by the government

In a situation like this, you'll soon find out you don't own your land at all . Y'all drank the cool aid. How did you actually think you can own a piece of the globe which has been here billions of years and you're going to be here....100, maybe?

if you're too stupid/cheap to have night vision and hide during the day there's little to nothing anyone can do to stop you moving at night.

@@user-ci2mn1oy3w thermal easy to spot at night

@@user-ci2mn1oy3w good luck walking through my field without being spotted, even without nv/thermal. Also, not wanting to drop $2k+ on a piece of equipment that 99% of the population will never use is not being cheap or stupid.

Who knew! Cities are valuable resources, and economic centers!

Reminds me of the stories I heard from the Argentine economic collapse. The people who suffered the worst were those who fled the cities to bug out and make bunkers in the wilderness, while the ones who did best stayed in the city. A bunch even kept vital local industries going and kept their jobs by effectively working within the law to legally take ownership the places they worked at.

Exactly. Paranoid preppers imagine that cities are the most unsafe. That is the most untrue belief they have. Cities get re-established because that's where the smartest, most capable, most able people are. Also farming comunities.

ya "bugging out" as in fleeing the cites is a REALLY bad idea. Unless you are planning to go live with friends or relatives who have food and supplies you are just going to be a statistic. Storing enough food for yourself and some of your neibours, friends ect is a better option.

This is the only SHTF take that people should pay attention to. The real ones that have already happened 1000x to POC and happen to them everyday in places like Africa and the Middle East.

Also even if you are an amazing survivalist you're still going to have to deal with the fact that the already scarce resources of the wilderness are going to be quickly depleted by how much of the human population that will wander out into the wilderness trying to do the exact same thing that you are.

And “networking” is a 80 year old boomer fantasy. SHTF is not a job hunt, it’s survival aka every man for himself. No one except maybe family and close friends is gonna help you.

I just don't understand the thinking of it. You have a well stocked well-defended home and hopefully you have got to know your neighbors so you can collectively protect yourselves but your first thought is to grab a backpack and run away from all of that. No one ever said the American consumer was smart.

@@JustSomeGuy-xe2mf blah blah blah. Do any of you seriously think you're going to survive whatever you think is going to happen? You all think you're going to be mad Max but instead you're going to be the leather clad gay bikers.

@@Strideo1 If you've ever read World War Z this is exactly what happens in the book. The US government encourages everyone to evacuate North into Canada, and almost everyone winds up dying from hunger, cold and overcrowding because everyone was competing for the scarce resources available

It's even harder to live off the land if you forget to pack your firesteel!

I would love to hear all about this community you belong to that has medical stockpiled and reliable food sources.. How many people are in this community? Does all the families in this community have enough food storage to get them to the point can have reliable food source? Do you all already have your tasks you will be responsible lined out like security, medical, maintenance and who will be growing, gathering and hunting the food? Do you have like a governor or a handful of people making decisions for the community? Is all the food going to be combined into a community pantry and rationed out until crops can be grown and hunting and gathering goes into full swing for this sustainable food source you mentioned? Really curious how y’all got your community set up..

Yep, and unlike the 'bugout' types, the typical urban/suburban SHTF folks are more likely to be 'organized', and if so, personally would much rather be located _within_ the main access points to the city, than _outside_ of 'em!

@@LowenKM How is your organized suburban area structured? Really curious how y’all have things set up and organized..

If I may, I'd like to add my 2 cents on this. A few of us have been slowly building a like minded community in our area. We are cautious as to who we discuss this with. A few of us meet regularly to discuss holes in our preparations and how we can improve. While we don't become obsessive, it is on our minds. I recommend starting with one or two people you trust and have common concerns with. Discuss SHTF scenarios. Most people suffer from cognitive bias and believe things will remain the same because they always have been that way. Hopefully you can start with a people who see what you see. Be cautious about those you don't know well.@@lanejohnson7656

gorilla groups... Bigfoot....? :)

thanks for that insight. Eventually I want to set something up like that

What if my area is very diverse and full of people that hate my people and want to kill me? Living in the woods as a hobo is preferable to a long, drawn-out death

​@@LaughingMan44Move to a rational white country like Romania or Hungary where people are against immigration and diversity.

@@LaughingMan44 look, ill assume you're in a big modern city, all i can say is whether the world ends or not, you're gonna have to deal with that for the rest of your life if you stay there. If you want out, trust me when i say moving to a small town is an economic sacrifice, but its worth it. The people aren't backwards, houses are cheap, you need to work not to make friends, and most modern problems don't exist. If you're commenting on brass facts videos ill assume you're a single young guy, you can literally pack your things, drive or bus to the nearest town that only has one bar and one grocery store, find a job and a place, and never look back. If you need somewhere to sleep for a couple weeks, go to the local motel and ask if they have a weekly or monthly discount rate. If you aren't too proud, you'll be able to find a local job in a couple days just walking in to places. The rural west, culturally, is still very much like when the boomers were growing up.

@@LaughingMan44move

Yeah, and humans are social animals, not being able to survive alone isn't a sign of weakness, it's just how our species survives. No one can claim that ants aren't good at surviving or that they're weak insects. But even the strongest ant wouldn't survive very long if seperated from their colony.

Small groups of hunter gathers also went ti war with other small groups for the plentiful game that existed then, but this scenario puts exponentially more people seeking game, all with no intention of "only taking what they need" but determined to get it all ..with exponentially less game reserves and land to do it....even if most know little about hunting there's enough that do that wild get wouldn6 last long at all. Most would just start taking the 2 legged variety of game

@@norml.hugh-mann Depends on where you are, there are millions of wild boar in Texas spreading outwards throughout.

You don’t even have to look at Hunter gatherer humans. Just look at nature. Do the pride of lions seek to attack the animal in the middle of the pack? Or do they go for the animal that has strayed away from the pack?

You'd better have a medic of some skill level and a practical mechanical engineer would be great. You need a well rounded group if you have kids and family. I've survived off the land - not like the TV shows - the real deal. If you're going hungry more than twice a week you're likely going to die. Not from starvation but from ignorance. 80% or more of the RU-vid videos and survival shows you watch are absolute garbage and what they teach you will waste your time and/or get you killed. It's easy if you're good at it, but that's being able to move about freely without worrying about getting a bullet in your spine. In a post apocalyptic period I wouldn't even dream of attempting it unless it was forced upon me. They bring said, if you can get to some super remote area in the heart of Alaska where other people can't reach you and game is abundant then by all means do so. If it's the BLM or National Forest then you may as well off yourself as to go there. Wait until three kinks shake out and see who's in charge in those places and join up with a good one if you don't have a group. Anyway. My two cents

Well said.

Damn I just cried in the inside. I won’t make it either way 😢

@@southfloridacounsel You could offer your services to a survivor as a Gimp. How bout that?

This. The only people who will pose a threat to a prepper are the very same people. If cities are flattened, small agricultural communities are going to thrive, with refugees becoming essentially serfs for food and shelter from existing residents that won’t feel too much shock from events. Meanwhile all the fuds are playing cowboy in no man’s land, half dead, the rest coughing out chunks of lung and stomach lining within a week because “I don’t hide in place like sheep. Gimme my Potassium Iodine, I’ll live forever!”

When you try to bugout to Appalachia and it turns into a preppers meetup group.

You have to hope you are better tracker and a more accurate shot than the ones who got there first.

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Why humans have to be abused/tortured in specific ways so they never learn who the waste is.

yeah this. It's part of the mindset that SHTF is the "great reset"

@@assclapper2231 no? Huh?

this has to be a troll, lol@@assclapper2231

Nailed it. Fight or flight? Nah. Some FREEZE. And then when they realize they've frozen, they panic. Repeat

​@@assclapper2231 Having a home base =/= sitting at home doing nothing

Those “experts“ on that show are trained for nine days before they go out.

@@michaelford2517 nah, a lot of them make a living running "survival" schools and crap like that or have advanced degrees in primitive agriculture or some other stuff. Many are accomplished hunters, trappers, and fishermen, but none of them do particularly well without a ton of luck on their side.

@suicidevan SOME of them are outdoors people, most are not. After I watched one man shoot half of his arrows at a deer swimming down the middle of a river and a woman getting bit by a squirrel that she had shot with her bow and several other people just sitting around, making jewelry in front of their half assed shelter with winter approaching, I had to do some research.

exactly what I do actually. My parents live in BFE. Tons of space for preps. don't talk about it much

@@BrassFacts I wish we all had such options! Wise not to talk about it though :)

Parents basement bugout meta

This is what I always considered to be a bugout plan. Now that I live in a better place instead of bugging out I have a get home setup. Where I lived before I would have 100% been bugging out to my parents because people you don't trust are worse than any actual failure of society or disaster.

And you already have your supplies stored there.

I haven’t came across a prepper that doesn’t take the potential for retirement seriously and haven’t planned or allocated anything to it. They are making a choice to work until they die. As well as have a severely deteriorated quality of late life, so they can “bug out.” The logic there alone tells me they lack the risk benefit analysis (discussed in the video) skills necessary to even survive in this completely hypothetical situation. Preppers to me are similar to civil war renactors, medieval martial arts practitioners and hobbyists of similar activities. They are cool and fun, though not particularly useful or realistic. What I’m getting at ultimately is return on investment. Prepping is not that. However it is certainly ok to play in the woods with guns, I support that.

They have plentiful fat reserves!

@@ThePhukst1k you nailed it. fun but not real.

@@ThePhukst1k Prepping is very useful for more conventional, non-SHTF emergencies though. Hurricanes that make neighborhoods inaccessible for 3 or more days, due to floods, for example.

@@CrizzyEyes My argument there would be, If you have a strong hurricane inbound get in the car and drive somewhere else. If you get caught off guard by a cat 5 hurricane in todays world, I don’t think the individuals prepping will help them a whole lot. Even during Covid when people where about to kill each other of toilet paper in the Walmart aisle, it was really as simple as walking over to the auto department and buying armor all wipes. Speaking from experience.

Definitely understated

And learn how to pickle stuff. Scurvy is a motherfucker, and it wears you down, without realising.

Tannerite in the lawn gnomes!!!

@@ericaman5393 Tannerite in the Battle Gnome's booty hole!

doesn't work for people who live in liberal ifnested cities. you'll only dox yourself when you try and build a network for neighbors lol

Cannot recommend this book enough. I've read the thing cover to cover already.

​@@ericaman5393Fake stones that are just AN/FO with a detonator inside wrapped up in plastic wrap and spray painted

He is a great example of experience being the only real knowledge that matters in the wild.

he probably was already in the wilderness though(or at least not urban), so to be fair its a different situation than those trying to prep starting in a city when it goes down.

This! Also, people often forget than you can barter skills, not only stuff. Learn some trades. In times of crisis, a banker or a lawyer isn't as valuable as a carpenter, butcher or farmer.

Having been betrayed by people, including family, who I was certain I could trust, I have serious doubts about my ability to do that strategy. I'll take my chances going it alone. "I'll be free or die." - Harriet Tubman

@@robertsandberg2246 if you can be sure that you'll survive entirely on your own indefinitely, more power to you! I don't think that's at all realistic for pretty much everyone. You'd need to learn and consistently practice a ton of skills that all but a few people don't have the time to learn. Communities make things infinitely easier. They have their problems, that's why, in my opinion, accountability, good communication, and established conflict resolution strategies are as important to group survival as knowing how to treat water.

That only works if where you live has quality people, instead of toiletpaper hoarding chicken littles who only care about themselves.

The Bugging out people are coasters (east coast, west coast) living in the burbs or cities. They never make it anywhere near the midwest.

@guytech7310 There's a lot of people in Midwest cities that think they're going to bug out to the country, not just coasties.

there are a lot of delusional people thinking they need to drop $1000s on toys while lying to themselves that they need it for an emergency

@@benchgoblin Spoiler alert: the emergency never happens but at least you made some friends along the way

​@@davidkanengieterwho said anything about walking through their yard? Just pass through. I live in mostly farmland and there are still tons of woods to navigate through.

...seems like every bug out scenario video I watch happens in a warm climate. Bugging out in Canada is totally different than doing it in the southern states. I know it gets colder at night in any location, but winter in the maritimes (-25° or more, 3-3k feet of snow) is a whole different thing than it is in most of these prepper vids.

Next week on Garand Thumb....

Meanwhile the Hurricane shoots you...

You can certainly shoot a blizzard but the blizzard may not notice.

Can't shoot a JDAM Reality is you'll bug out, and steal stuff from people that u come across.

The boog has been romanticized way too much. Your best hope is to restore order, not to run away to the wilderness.

Bingo. It’s a good idea to know how to hunt/trap, but everything will be damn near extinct after a year. You’re also going to be eating far(while they exist) more… less desirable game like Possums, Raccoons…. cats… than you are big game like Deer or even a turkey.

eat people then

But also alot of people don't have that skill so they just die of dehydration/lack of food, leaving more for the rest of us

Anyone who has been a trout fisherman and seen the influx of people (thanks to the internet era, so at least 20 years watching/doing) to trout streams that already were managed with an assumption of public fishing... yes all-out meat fishing will deplete the trout population in no longer than 2-3 years, probably in one. The coastal fishery fishermen, if they can get their boats out, stand a better chance with larger fish populations. Inland? It's already something you can predict. Look at a put-and-take fishery. How long after annual stocking is the stream empty of the deposited fish? And that's with management of the fish population, supplemented for put-and-take. Why is the put-and-take artificial stocking even there in the first place? Fishing pressures or ecosystem doesn't support native population. There's your inland fishery food source!

That's not a good idea, that's a terrible way to check out. You're going to give yourself a bad trip. You fail to account the physical trauma to thr body and how that _may_ effect the journey of the soul. Dying is traumatic and most people are not ready to die... Imagine a hyper real senario where you pull the trigger and at that moment the universe explodes like the splitting of the atom. Or time stops for what seems like eternity. The bullet freezing just before it hits your skull... time doesn't work linearly. If the bullet kills you, you can still experience life 0.000001s as the destruction of the brain kills you. The brain and soul complex reverses time. The soul is outside of space and time. It's a foolish and unwise way to kill one's self. For fuck sakes get a large amount of heroine or morphine. Get a big stash and learn how to comfortably overdose. That way you trick the dying process. You die peacefully in your sleep, for all intents and purposes. Most religions have some conception of the journey of the soul. Valhala. The tibetan book of the dead. Egypt mythology. Reincarnation. Most religions post-life accounts are non-linear.

Better to help a young family survive. Live, and let live.

@@alexevasic8411 I'm not on board with the spiritual stuff, but just speaking pragmatically: a massive OD of opiates is nearly always 100% effective, whereas a pop to the noggin... well, there's a lot of ways to mess that up, so to speak. Save the guns for the pirates or the wild animals.

Aging out now but bugged out for good.... off-grid .9th Marines here .....good luck brother!

@@alexevasic8411 , HOLY SHIT! I've never heard it put that way me myself I won't commit suicide , but well put sir I'm 55 .

Wait for that to blow over and they're just a bunch of loot drops.

​@@helloitsjay38ha! Was gonna say the same thing!

and, fewer people, with too much ammo, and no sense of "community", and not enough brains, to have to fight off...

The complete lack of physical fitness is going to be nullifier for most.

The local people will be protecting their stuff from them. They may become targets from locals if they start bothering people. There is not enough game for them to survive. They can just handle deer season as it is.

One would think theres plenty of livestock to go after first. But really solo bugging out is not going to last. People are social, your best chance is some kind of communal farms. Then you need to defend against raiders. As happens often when there is a breakdown in law and order you get warlords springing up with small armies.

I live in small town Jones, Oklahoma & we're a military town. We got lots of vets & most of us serve some time. We all help each other & we all got land with livestock & agriculture. We're comfortable

People then were more primitive than they are now. Very few have any chance of being out in the wild very long let alone wipe out game.

@@Catfish.Knudsen that's good because if a man can't survive on his own, how in tf is he going to be able to take care of anyone else?

@@peterkratoska4524 theres not plenty of livestock to go after. Those are the people locals will target first.

Too true then after a week you forget what you look like if you never see a reflection

There's a reason why, all over the world, humans developed forms of community (some individuals) and society (some communities). It's scalable, defensible, and it just works. Billions of people and thousands of years can't be wrong.

Idk about that. I went backpacking for two weeks when I was a teen, in Philmont, New Mexico. I didn't want to go back to civilization. There's this serenity that comes with backing packing in the mountains. The gorgeous views. Not worrying about anything but what's in the moment. Every little task you do feels important. Everyone on the trail feels like an equal. And there's since of freedom I haven't felt since then. It def made me crave a nomadic lifestyle. But then again I didn't have to deal with the logistics of living that lifestyle.

Everything about the experience you just described is subsidized by a functional society. The fact that you can go into the wilderness and be relatively safe from modern humans is because we’re living under rule of law. There’s also a huge difference between the serenity of nature under free will vs being forced to live in said circumstances.

Everything about the experience you just described is subsidized by a functional society. The fact that you can go into the wilderness and be relatively safe from modern humans is because we’re living under rule of law. There’s also a huge difference between the serenity of nature under free will vs being forced to live in said circumstances.

I'm 66 years old all though still in good enough shape to bug out and survive, my wife isn't, we have been married for 43 years she is my world and without her I really have no desire to scratch out a existence living like a Nomad by bugging out, my home is where I make my final stand

if you're old, you are going to 100% not make it in shtf. it's kind of a "tough luck" situation

@@cagneybillingsley2165it’s all relative. There’s going to be tons of young and dumb people dropping like flies.

@@isaakjunkeer785 Yeah, its like in nature the same rules apply to humans, when herd animals get old and unable to keep up with the rest of the herd and no longer have the same strength, speed, endurance to fight off the predator they soon become victims , but in that same thinking a equal number of the young ones become victims also because they take unnecessary risks ,lack patience, make bad decisions, panic and more easily tricked by tactics the predators will use to isolate them from the herd and the older ones have the experience to avoid those same pit falls that the young one will walk into, When you go fishing its much harder to get a old lunker to go for a shiny lure,because it has been hooked before,and more careful , while a juvenile fish will rush in to grab anything bright and shiny thinking it is a easy meal unaware of the hooks

​​@@bluemouse5039like fishing like hunting Theres always that wise old big boar roamin

There will be a lot of cannibalism.

@@Faber-cator I've noticed a lot more people in town have chicken coops in their backyards, its a small town but like, bruh you guys are going to be the first targets. Chickens would be worth more than gold in a bad enough situation.

@@caesarsalad1170 lol not the first targets if they aim several guns with targets at you!

@@PolishBehemoth Most people here own guns anyway, and the people with the coops are 50+ I'd hope people would band together instead of looting, just a small 6k town

There's one place where this wouldn't be true that I can think of. Australia. There are more camels than people. The number of roos is just stupid. Deer are a monumental environmental catastrophe. There's pigs, wild buffalo, brumbies (wild horses). Your issue is going to be knowing the area well enough to survive the elements, not get meat. You'll die of thirst, or if not thirst, fire, or if not fire, many many other things because this is a harsh land. Hence why it's not that heavily populated.

Armies didn’t “live off the land.” They foraged from farms and towns. They relied on supplies stocked by the local populace, and they took those by force.

@@coryhoggatt7691 Indeed. They did that because like I said, living off the land for a sufficiently large number of people is impossible

Exactly. Get home to family. Not dragging my little kids through the woods.

This is the best and only answer. Just an old Marines opinion.

Tell thatto the MAGA people 😂

He's ready to die from exposure because he was out in a rainstorm and didn't have anything dry to change into lmao

He owns a surplus store. He might be one of the few who could actually make it 😂

Ah, because *_YOU_* have something to lose lmao To the _overwhelming majority_ of men who have been disassociated by society and culture since the 50s, they have _nothing_ to lose, which is the same reason they aren't participating at best, or at worst _accelerating_ societal decline. Society should have known better to upend men's rightful place in the hierarchy of society. There is nothing more stupid than treating your _beast of societal burden_ like trash, and still expecting it to service you. 🤣

@@RealAmericanStarthat surplus store is the first place to get raided when shtf

You are EXACTLY CORRECT!! Or, if you are wrong, then I am wrong too. People like to "feel safe" so they invent all kinds of things to do that "feel safe".

This is why community & strong relationships with your neighbors are important. Everybody has to sleep, take a crap, etc. The more friends to watch your back & share the workload the better.

@@donewithmodernlife Yes, that is the ONLY WAY. Even when authoritative regimes with their martial law etc take over, if you don't have a NETWORK, you are dead. The Elites will be the War Lords, that always happens, the Thugs with MEANS will recruit the THUGS with NOTHING, and they will soldier for their "boss". Whatever we think it will be like, it won't. It will be like something else. The ONLY constant is if you don't have a network, you are dead in such a scenario.

"Don't put yourself in the position to choose between starving to death, or hurting someone to take their food"....An eventuality, for everyone.

​@@sword-and-shield I knew plenty of people who lived and died and never had to choose between crime and starvation. If you think it is the only future, I'm afraid you live in a SHTF fantasy. Most of the time people end up in that situation because of their own actions.

thanks!

That is EXACTLY what will happen.

Yeah, most of SHTF presume training for a situation, in which people will fight/avoid people and then live alone in wilderness with skills that they've learned. Which is the opposite of what people should prepare for. They should learn survival skills, so in case of SHTF, they can became valuable member of community, who help others to survive by teaching them how to hunt/gather together. Not only is more efficient to do it as a group, there is also a bonus of additional safety for "the teacher", because nobody will go against person who knows how to get food/survive after collapse of supply chain

That's the plain truth right there! I prep, have means of protection, if I stay put in my somewhat country house I might make it 60 days without electricity, running water and med supplies, IF I DONT GET SHOT, OR HAVE A MAJOR INJURY ! After that I'll probably starve, of die of dehydration! Those are just facts! I'm to old to try to load up a bunch of stuff and trek off into the woods! The best chance of groups serviving a total grid down SHTF situation would be to live somewhere that the land and water haven't been poisoned and they have the ability to hide away from groups of people who would Rob and pillage others, like military groups! Otherwise all that lone Wolfe fantasy thinking is horseshit!!! Unless your a Navy seal, or an elite military survivalist! As for me, I probably couldn't hike 2 miles through the woods with a 30 pound pack until my heart would give out!

​@@bobburnitt5761because it happened in the past, that's how tribes were born

Sure, great story...

How deep did you bury the squatter?

Bushfires are SHTF ... but realistic. And hellish, and you genuinely need to prepare for them. One thing I still remember from the 2019/20 fire season was the massive lines at the Southern NSW petrol stations as the evacuation orders began. I'd argue that fuel that lets you get out of the nearby regional towns is going to help in that scenario.

bushcrafters can bug out no problem. most bug out preppers are larpers

@@cagneybillingsley2165 Even seasoned bushcrafters go back into town every few weeks or so. A smart bush crafter would have a off grid cabin set up with a well and woodstove way out in the boonies and they would live out of that. Not bug out into the woods with nothing, forever

Don't forget to become a local Warlord...uh, I mean Militia.

A local or regional disaster, yes. But bugging out isn't about that. Bugging out is about getting away from the chaos and surviving it. The question is, is there really any place that you can get away from chaos, a total breakdown of law and order?

@@USMC6976 Great point. Probably not, nor are most people able to survive long enough to matter once they do bug out.

I was surprised that I saw these even in fresh water lakes in Georgia. Thought it was an ocean thing

@@flopus7 Maybe I'm naive for being surprised by this, but like 10 years ago we had a situation on the Ogeechee River where a company called King America Refinishing dumped 'too much' toxins into the river and killed several hundred thousand fish all down the river. Apparently they have a permit to discharge chemicals into the river, they just discharged too much. I don't recall any punishments being leveled against the company, which its insane to me that they're allowed to do that at all. I'm all for business, but literally their business plan is poisoning our backyards.

@@bebopwing1 And we deride China for this. How ironic.

Throw in chemical plant leaks, raw sewage, etc, Maybe in a some remote lake Fishing could work, but forget about anything near cities or burbs. Homesteading is the only real long term option: Grow crops, chickens & livestock, also nee access to wood for heating\cooking.

Every river east of the Mississippi is poison.

when that sleeping bag goes moldy and starts to rot..... it gets harder to crawl into lol

A widespread disaster like the zombie apocalypse of nuclear holocaust seems like an excellent argument for staying put. If you can't make it in your own house what are your chances in the open?

I plan on living off all the dead preppers stuff 😂

@@davidledford3522 when I was prepping people would say "I know where I am coming if the SHTF LOL" and yea I always thought to myself, hell yea bring me loaded vehicles of fresh supplies :) saves me going shopping

“a few hundred rounds of ammo, 1 or 2 guns” The over emphasis on guns with these types is always hilarious and lets you know you’re dealing with a child with very little wilderness experience.

You certainly have good points. However the show alone doesn’t allow guns or modern archery and most anyone watching this video is armed and hunts already.

Another thing people don't consider is millions of people suddenly hunting for survival will deplete the animal population quickly and you will have to ruck farther and farther into the wilderness to find food.

@@benjaminbrown45 It’s going to have some effect. However a majority of people don’t know how to hunt or clean game. Remember that literally millions would die that live in cities very quickly. The herd is going to get thinned out pretty fast.

Many native tribes that practiced kicking out members of their tribe considered it to be a death sentence because survival required the tribe.

@benjaminbrown-bi6vw "millions"? Doubt most people are in shape to do it. Most people never get 50yds from a highway, so there is that barrier. Also, hunting is a skill you learn over years; you can't get a late start.

communities are going to work. Very few people have sufficient skills & likely end up being a drag on your survival. More than likely they end up causing more problems do to carelessness, incompetence, unfit, or just too lazy.

@@guytech7310 Thats why it's important to have good people. Humans survive better in groups. That is a simple fact and how we have survived as a species this entire time on earth. In my experience it's the people that think they're hot shit and better than everyone that cause the most problems.

I think something that people should learn from more is the misery of getting *really* sick for the first time after you live alone for the first time. Even if you live in a nice warm apartment alone, you're going to miss meals, things will pile up, and you're going to be extra miserable. Imagine what jiardia, malaria, or dysentery does to you alone and outside? Imagine how helpless you would be from a nasty but treatable cut that required stitches because you had a bad fall down a slope? Shit, even an ingrown toe nail can get infected and highly painful. You need people to look out for you, even these suburban bug out bro larpers use the help of others all of the time, they just pretend they don't.

@@callusklaus2413 couldn't say it better myself. Like even rolling your ankle in the wilderness could be a death sentence. Breaking an arm or leg? forget about it

Another great example is the tv show "Alone" these people who are not novences in survival skills are more or less slowly starving to death from day one, it shows how humans really cant survive long term alone

agree 100%

Imagine the number of displaced people looking for the same deer multiplied by 1,000 or more people.

"I feel fantasies like that are often showing the age and experience of the dreamer." Not to mention the race, judging by some of the comments here.

@@ostrich67 what has race got to do with anything? Who cares about that.

Ask the people using dog whistles like "diversity" and "13%" in that tone of theirs.

If they're really loved ones (as in you legit care about them), I suppose you would gradually train them in skills that they're willing to learn. Gradually pushing them to better themselves and get the hang of mechanics, or gardening, or even knowing what types of vegetation can be used for kindling a fire. Everything can add up (within reason) to relieve your strain. Even an 8 year old can be taught how to load magazines if it comes down to that.

@@danjones7 Definitely not sir, but the kid is growing up to be a youth/man his father's proud of even now (hopefully). In the meantime, consideration must be made for physical and mental limitations.

Yeah, but in a true SHTF scenario, there wouldn't be any food to come back too..... And there would be groups of armed people roaming around. Even a person of just healthy weight can go many months without food. Just need water. Can't do much of course, but we're talking about actual survival for a short period of time. Maybe a year. A couple of rabbits or birds a week would keep you from dying. Add in insects and plants you forage, and you can live a long time. But if you stay anywhere near a city, the sheer number of people will wipeout all the wildlife in short order. Just about everyone posting is talking like if living in the woods doesn't give them the same lifestyle they have now, or if they can't live in the woods for a decade, then it can't be done. That's absolute horseshit. Lol Doing very very little, you could easily make it a year just sitting down next to logs and such, and using a pointed twig to stab and eat insects. People are confusing SHTF with Teotwawki. Good clothes and gear, a high powered .22 or .25 break action airgun with several sets of replacement seals, and a few thousand pellets, water purification tablets and a physical filter. That's about all you need to actually not die for a year or so out in the woods. The biggest thing is to make sure you're out in the woods far enough that you don't meet many people. Of, and some first aid stuff. Including going to a pet store and buying antibiotics. They sell the same ones we take, and at a MUCH lower cost and no prescription needed. Without antibiotics, a paper cut can literally kill you. It's rare, but back in the day, plenty of people had to choose between dying, and having an arm cut off without anesthesia..... And don't forget soap. It kills bacteria just as good as hand sanitizer. So if you get a cut, clean it. Bugging out isn't about living a great life. It's about literally not dying. The people who thisnk they're supposed to be able to remain 20 pounds overweight while surviving a SHTF scenario are the ones who will die. Me? If SHTF ever does happen, I'm hitting the woods, specifically because everyone near me is going to be hungry. Which makes stocking food more MUCH more dangerous to my long term survival than being miserable and losing weight in the woods. SHTF is short term. Teotwawki is a different beast though. Nothing will be fixed, at least not for several years. And in that situation, I only have to not die long enough, that enough other people die to make living off the land long term possible. And as we have seen countless times around the world, people used to living in cities, don't much leave them, even when food and water get scarce. By the time the people in cities wipe it clean, there will already be a LOT of dead people. So a lot fewer to go roaming around the woods.

I remember once we took a ton of food up on an overnight hike, drank too much the night before then thought we would hide the food in a creek to keep it cold, woke up the next morning and it was all gone, everything. So we faced a long hike out with little food. We finally got back to a cabin famished and made some blueberry pancakes from the blueberries we picked. I don't think I have every been so hungry and ever tasted such great food. And it was only 24 hours being without food.

All irrelevant because backpackers have the worst ideas about nutrition there is. You literally are starving. If you're not carrying pemmican or similar, you'll starve indeed.

I noticed that too in my backpacking days. Running up and down mountains and living outdoors burns up the calories in the way that office work does not. Bugging out for a week to avoid a wave of panic and stupidity is viable, but as a long term strategy it's not.

@@CS-uc2oh Umm, a lot of backpackers take freeze dried meals..... Where are you that you know a lot of backpackers that don't take food with them? Or a way to get food. Either way.

Your point is spot on. If you have to because of a fire or chemical accident, you have no choice. Everything else is putting yourself at a disadvantage. Finding like minded people, which there will be a lot of, is better than isolating yourself.

Bugging out should be a temporary thing and only if your area is going to be a hotbed of violence. Bug out for a few days, week at most and come back after it’s settled down a bit. Don’t bug out asap because people will be civil for a few days, but days 3-10 after a grid down will get hairy. Make sure even if you have supplies, go to any FEMA or govt handouts and don’t feast (lose weight a bit) so people don’t know you have food. Most I’m sharing is some radios for my neighborhood but never mention food stores or guns

​@@DankasorusRexthat's very dependent on the conflict. If it's a civil war there's no telling when it'd settle. A collapse in society would be alot more feasible and peaceful eventually.

@@assclapper2231 Pretty sure my wife would still want some way to deter goons stealing from her garden 😂

@@DankasorusRexYou Should rethink that one dude. FEMA camps would be the worst spot to be at during a SHTF event.

Very Christian of you

@@thomasw3585 This comment was not meant to be a sarcastic very Christian comment. I’m bringing up something nobody ever talks about in these videos or prepping circles. But it’s something people should talk about and think about. It’s a real common thing for people to think and talk about in the places people will want to flee to. County sheriffs take part in these conversations. If it was natural disaster or other local/region situation I imagine people would welcome refugees with open arms. But in a true SHTF scenario people in rural communities will protect their food/water supply from other people flooding in. Another added element is the long simmering resentment many people in rural communities have for what the people in cities “impose” upon them. Here in Oregon a couple counties (Portland/Salem) dictate how people around the other 99% of the state must conduct business and act. Can’t farm that way no more, Portland knows what’s best. Here’s some wolves to decorate your cow pastures, Portland knows what’s best plus they’re pretty! Here’s a bus load of drug addicted mentally ill poor souls to help out your local businesses down town, shut up Portland and Salem know what’s best. That’s created a lot of unhealthy resentment…my point is not wether I agree or disagree with this point of view or that. The point is if your take the possibility of a SHTF scenario seriously this is something you should seriously consider.

Desperate people do desperate things....

​@@thomasw3585You don't understand Christianity.

Exactly

That’s cause it is

Everyone dies of dysentery.

@@theKashConnoisseur Hooray!

@@theKashConnoisseur Well, no shit.

@@Taistelukalkkuna Actually, lots of shit.

Amen brother

If a foreign military invaded and somehow overtook the U.S military; hiding isn't viable. Holding out wouldn't be viable. They'd systemically collapse your access to all national infrastructure whatsoever (food, fuel, water, electricity, healthcare, etc). They'd unleash a bio-weapon that only kills humans specifically into all wild water. They'd monitor absolutely everything. Their military superiority would be beyond question and they'd find you. Resistance would be self-destructive. They'd torture your family, neighbors, friends if you tried to resist total occupation. Though that'll virtually never happen. The only current military that could even muster the massive manpower & resources it'd take to conquer the U.S mainland is China, and they definitely aren't going to wage such a war & occupation for no reason. But you can put to rest the idea of foiling a superpower military by reinforcing your house with wooden planks or hiding out in the woods somewhere.

"We would just need to figure out how to get things like power, clean running water, and food. " You should probably be doing that now.

Thank you saved me allot time. It is a last resort.

Everybody here is missing the forest from the trees. Yes, staying where your supplies are is always your #1 choice. HOWEVER, if a Communist state government comes after you, or a warlord's gang of 100 men armed with rifles and torches comes for your supplies, you can bet your life you will be bugging out. Both are a definite possibility in the near future depending on the scenario (with rule of law or without rule of law). John Lovell never said don't bugout. He just emphasized that you don't bug out unless it's life or death or the political situation changes to the point where staying means a long prison sentence. Both are possibilities and so you should ALWAYS have a bugout pack and plans to relocate if necessary.

sounds like 90% of guntubers tbh

Hell get smoked in his first gunfight when he forgets to disengage his safety

That's great, he sounds like a terrific.. loot drop. Tell him not to skimp, (not ever!)..on the cost & quality of any of his weapons, ammo, gear, food & supplies..this is very, very important. Or else, the first person to drop him, and loot his corpse, will NOT be happy at all..to only find cheap & nasty junk, and the human equivalent of dog food rations.. and they will likely murder him all over again. Even in death, you too, can always be a legendary loot drop HERO, to someone else! Never underestimate your ability to bring absolute, posthumous joy to another prepping survivor's day! It's what we live for. Please make sure your friend gets all his best prepping advice from real pro's..not just sales-creatures, hype-hyenas & jerk-jackals, or adds on social media. Let him know that this would not earn him many friends, and we'll all be very dissapointed. As all loot-dropper shoppers should know well; "What goes around, comes around, until it finally comes home to us!" Fair winds & following reticles, to you all.

LOL I have a Brother in Law who is a talker ... sounds just like him. Narcissism, I think.

@@Appalachias_Sonthat’s the guy you want as a “friend” that prepares stuff for you

thanks for that anecdote. Same sorta logic I've seen to this day.

“…he got fired.” Lol Worst bug out ever!🤣

one of my extremely stupid dad fantasies is my child getting the prepper/survivalist bug, and me just taking them out into the woods for a week with no prior prep/training and seeing how far we can get before they've had enough (i'd check in with the local ranger and do whatever i have to do to ensure they're in on the joke beforehand, of course - if they're NOT in, then no go). maybe at least i can teach them how to navigate and build fires and defend ourselves from imminent threats and laugh about our suffering, hell if i know how to do anything else, lmao

I thought bugging out was to buy a little time until you can get somewhere reasonably secure. 3 days tops.

a lot of this "bug out" stuff is just guys wanting to go camping and hunting and never have to go back to their "desk job" Its like being a soldier and fantasying about an alien invasion so you can get out of Motorpool duty