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Build A Super Simple Supercapacitor Step by Step 

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Using our activated carbon felt - available here - secure.workingink.co.uk/shop/w...
build a super simple supercapacitor

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@William_Hada
@William_Hada 4 года назад
This is a wonderful demonstration! I have been looking a long time for a simple method of making a pouch cell. Thank you so much for sharing.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
@derzua
@derzua 3 года назад
Wow, you rock Robert. Thank you for your videos. They are awesome.
@teamlight8567
@teamlight8567 4 года назад
Great tx Robert! Indeed can't be much simpler...keep up the great work with the team.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
@Tom-yr1mp
@Tom-yr1mp 3 года назад
Super simple explanation. Well Done! Thank You
@danielfeyerabend904
@danielfeyerabend904 4 года назад
Delightful to see you assembling and demonstrating your devices again, Dr. Smith! You are a great instructor.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate glad you liked it
@petergold4823
@petergold4823 4 года назад
I had a play around with this material from FWG with some interesting results, Rob mentioned in a reply comment to expect around 3 watt hour a kg or 3mwh per gram. I did get a similar result to this using 1g of felt, 1m sodium sulfate and stainless mesh current collectors. However using the same felt and electrolyte with grafoil current collectors its much better at 16 mwh per gram. Unfortunately I have no idea why the stainless performed so poorly!
@Buzzhumma
@Buzzhumma 4 года назад
I made one similar but jelly roll in 50mm pvc pipe and hot melt glue at one end so I could syringe in more electrolyte if it evaporated. It's held capacity and has even increased over the past year. I also used conductive fabric instead of mesh
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
awesome mate
@preciousplasticph
@preciousplasticph 4 года назад
Awesome stuff Robert.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
@tonyponsford
@tonyponsford 4 года назад
Glad to see that you have some time to post videos Robert, like your thought processes ! I'm trialling ammonium iron sulphate as a redox couple additive for my supercap and thoughts drifted back to manganese...but have found little or nothing about ammonium manganese sulphate on the net regarding batteries and supercaps. Manganese appears to have some similarities of iron ( as they are both transition metals and live next door to each other that's hardly surprising ) but it intrigues me as it is not found natively elemental but always with another metal, commonly iron. It appears to have many more oxidation states than iron and that interested me with regards to redox additives as a redox couple. So, I thought to synthesise some, using a similar way as I did with the ammonium iron sulphate, by firstly sulphating manganese dioxide with sulphuric acid and then mixing in equimolar ratio with ammonium sulphate. Theoretically, that should produce a double sulphate and be pale pink crystal, if I am successful....but I can't find any research papers on its use in batteries/supercaps, so it might be a dead-end, but nevertheless manganese remains for me a puzzle ... but my pleasure is derived from the thought process - it has to be with the amount of failures !! hahahaha Keep up the good work ! Tony
@leonardjanus7599
@leonardjanus7599 4 года назад
Do you have think to an hybrid version? You can dip felt in a nickel chloride/ ethanol solution, then dip in a sodium hydroxide/ethanol solution and have a NiOH cathode with nano NiOH. For redox electrolyte, google "active redox electrolytes". There are many. Couple this hybrid pseudocapacitor with betavoltaic, and you will have a car you can drive for years, without recharge..
@tonyponsford
@tonyponsford 4 года назад
@@leonardjanus7599 Hybrid yes. I think we should not think of battery or supercapacitor as more Energy Storage Device ESD or Energy Cell EC which uses redox and capacitance functions. There are indeed many redox couples researched, and I have made my own batch of KI to trial, plus I have also tried Copper Chloride in a DES ( although not too successfully, but that may have been due to the whole system and not just one component ). The KI looks promising, but my point was that I am puzzled by manganese :) and whilst manganese has been used in various forms in batteries and supercapacitors, I can find no research where in has been used as a double salt, but there has been people looking at ammonium ferrous sulphate. Betavoltaics are a little outside my project ...and I think I would be arrested if I start buying 100's of smoke detectors !! hahahaha. No, my project is to produce an ESD/EC to couple with my solar panels, that is sufficiently energy dense to allow, say, a refrigerator sized set of cells would store sufficient energy to be capable of supplying a house. Choice of materials would have to have a low environmental impact, including on disposal. Thus a carbon device with ammonium based salts are where I am looking, but drift off in other directions, like Sodium Titanate. Thank you for your reply and kind regards ! :) Tony
@amazac2078
@amazac2078 4 года назад
Hey Rob, you made your point loud and clear thanks mate ,how about the idea of using cheap kitchen cheap vacuum bags that have valve and manually seals at one end ,opposite to the opened edge can slice cut the opening for cathode and anode seal it at that edge by the sealer machine , then close the bag vacuum it all done! , in case of weakened or dry electrolyte ,it will be easier to refill by releasing the valve refill vacuum it without losing more packages . cheers mate.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
awesome idea mate - cheers
@INVENTOR3
@INVENTOR3 4 года назад
Thanks for sharing, love your videos! :-)
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
@DavidLeeMenefee
@DavidLeeMenefee 4 года назад
Good audio, thanks, thumbs up.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
good to hear - cheers mate
@sreenathc
@sreenathc Год назад
Super!!! Wonder if we can make it with with very large capacity and trickle charge it with solar power through the day and use it for powering a home in the night?
@teezyizeazy6261
@teezyizeazy6261 9 месяцев назад
Brother thank you for teaching us!!!!
@zylascope
@zylascope 4 года назад
Awesome. Seems simple. I'll give it go. :)
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
@c6jones720
@c6jones720 4 года назад
Hi great video, I wondered if the cap was polarised like a normal electrolytic? Could you charge it either way given that the plates seemed to be assembled symmetrically?
@agentbertram4769
@agentbertram4769 4 года назад
Thanks Rob. A few videos like this will help people get up and running and then they can start experimenting with different carbons etc. Great video. I'll be back when my health issues allow me.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
yeah i think so mate - folks need to jump in and give it a go - it's the only way to learn and this has got to be the easiest way of doing it
@nicklaspersson4687
@nicklaspersson4687 4 года назад
I enjoy your videos a lot but I would like to hear you talk about these different capacitors charge retention over time. I feel it is a very important factor for practical uses.
@Barskor1
@Barskor1 4 года назад
It is so cheap and easy you can find out for yourself.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
I am sorry mate but basically Barskor is right you would find many more satisfying answers if you did the experiments yourself and I try to encourage folks to get out and do the experiments - that's what science really is
@TechHole
@TechHole 4 года назад
I agree with you Nicklas, I'm pretty confused about this channel in that, 90% of the information is factually correct, but some of the stuff mentioned seems like such a tall claim that it almost MUST be tested to be verified IE the ebike battery with a claimed capacity somewhere around 1kwatthr - If that were even within an order of magnitude of accurate, Robert would be in a position to become a very wealthy man. I'm not saying I doubt his claims because I simply don't have the time or resources at the moment to dedicate to recreating these experiments (And some of the experiments lack enough information to meaningfully recreate them). That said, posting these experiments with no real data on performance and then responding to curious viewers with "Try it yourself! Its fun to experiment!" seems almost to be in bad faith. I could acquire these materials, throw together the cell, and see that it holds SOME charge, because of course it does. But that doesn't mean it would be worth my time to bother, or that it would have any practical use.
@lucasthompson1650
@lucasthompson1650 4 года назад
I don't know how many types of simple capacitors you guys have ever made for experimental (or educational/classroom) purposes, but most of them either suck so hard they risk leaving the user doubting if capacitors are maybe just a myth or conspiracy theory, and even if they do work, they usually aren't capable of doing anything really interesting. This video isn't about "a new way to make your own super capacitors, take on Elon Musk, and start making million$$$". This video shows a very simple way to make a very simple capacitor … but unlike all the other types you can fold/glue/tape/etc on a workbench in a few minutes, this one might actually be able to do something more impressive than, say, lighting up a single LED for 0.01s, or rotating a servo clockwise by a whopping 5° before dying, that one always gets the class on-board with learning about capacitors, right? Teacher: "Now … well … after charging our capacitor for 10 minutes we … only made the servo turn 5° … and we're out of power but … um … you get the idea, right?" Kid #1: "Boooooo! You suck!" Kid #2: "I spent lunch money on Borax and aluminum foil for this crap?" Kid #3: "Play Freebird! … cuz you suck at science!" (I'm not a teacher, but I assume a bad science presentation is a lot like bombing in stand-up comedy) As far as charge retention and other performance statistics on a capacitor design this simple … come on. Do you need to know minimum glide time and velocity:lift ratio potentials before you try folding a new style of paper airplane? If you make 1, it might not work. If you make 2 or 3, at least one of them will work. If you make 10, they'll probably all perform differently. Wildly differently. If you make 20, you might end up with a handful that are nearly identical to each other, as you're now getting the hang of making them. If you make more, you'll begin to notice exactly what aspects of how you build each capacitor will affect it's eventual performance. If you post YOUR numbers and results, and other people post their numbers and results, you'll actually be "doing science"! Great little project, Robert.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
@@lucasthompson1650 mate that is an awesome post and spot on - i do wonder about the posts that ask questions about performance etc etc - i wonder if they actually watched the video as they certainly don't seem to have understood it. The comments can get a bit tiresome but one like yours is a 'breath of fresh air' so to speak - thanks for taking the time to post - cheers
@Equelan2
@Equelan2 3 года назад
I imagine a jacket made with super capacitor layer in it and at the back of jacked a simple solar cell would constantly charge it. this jacked may spend current by producing heat with copper wiring around jacked. So it can be self heater jacked for cold days. Thanks for sharing.
@Mr.X_Dj_Arrow
@Mr.X_Dj_Arrow 4 года назад
Yes yes yes !!!! You have done it!!!😀 That's a really good way of sealed, good job !!! Easy, simple, though and resistant, I had though of some things like that but couldn't find the issue of sealing the wire, but now it seems to be working great!!! And your able to seal it onto the mesh, awesome! Really appreciate the sharing ! Keep on going, it's on the right track for shure 👍👌 P.s. It coul be possible to make a long roll of it, would take time to vacuum but could then be 3,10 or even 20' long sheet, rolled onto a cylinder ? What's your's tough? Would the space lost in the cylindrical form factor could still be more effective than the square ? Versus time to production/manufacturing for parallel/series cells ? The bigger the cell, the better it is, less unuseful material ratio ? Sorry for all this 🤔 Thank for all 😁😉 Take care
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
no worries mate - you could try a jelly roll design for sure
@MasterIvo
@MasterIvo 4 года назад
That indeed is very easy! Great video, thanks for sharing. I do wonder how much capacity is in there, but I guess there are multiple variables. This is only a single layer, I guess you could add several more (series) layers, to get larger voltages (but smaller capacitance)
@jeffreyrood8755
@jeffreyrood8755 4 года назад
I was wondering about that too. How would you do that?
@MasterIvo
@MasterIvo 4 года назад
I would think add more layers and electrodes, but only use the top and bottom electrodes. just like batteries in series give more voltage
@preciousplasticph
@preciousplasticph 4 года назад
I thought that too.. but there is a quality control issue that comes up. If you get one layer wrong, the entire cell is junk. Vs invividual cells, you can troubleshoot easier. Much like building solar panels with high voltages, the more voltage you go, the more room to introduce errors which are harder to sort out.
@Buzzhumma
@Buzzhumma 4 года назад
@@MasterIvo yes that would work but there would be considerable leakage and super caps already like to leak but if it is not to long between charge and use it will be dandy!
@jeffreyrood8755
@jeffreyrood8755 4 года назад
@@Buzzhumma so if you wanted to use it as an outside solar storage cap to run security camera or outside light, in side phone charger charged by solar, it would be short intervals between depletions and charge cycles. Would that work?
@philsyoutube1826
@philsyoutube1826 2 года назад
Hi Rob, I'm a new member to your channel, and love your videos! They are fascinating! Quick question - if using aluminium instead of stainless steel for the current collector, how do you protect against galvanic corrosion between the activated carbon and the aluminium in the salt water electrolyte? Thanks!
@seandevine4692
@seandevine4692 10 месяцев назад
I second the tinkers request!
@quantumenergysolutions9128
@quantumenergysolutions9128 4 года назад
Hi Rob. Top video cheers! Did you ever test Alum/Epson salt electrolyte?
@leeackerson2579
@leeackerson2579 4 года назад
How super is that super cap? It would be interesting to see what the capacitance is, after all, a 20uf cap could run that little motor.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
build one and find out mate
@gibsonfleming6228
@gibsonfleming6228 4 года назад
Robert Murray-Smith if you substitute the activated carbon with graphene sheets the density would increase drastically?
@robj7481
@robj7481 4 года назад
Supercaps are usually about 1 Farad in range. VERY DANGEROUS
@jeroenhaentjens9156
@jeroenhaentjens9156 4 года назад
@@robj7481 so is a fork when used to poke your eyes. It's not dangerous at all since the voltage is low. Even 1000Farad. You can piss on it without even feeling it. When multiple are coupled in series, don't do that experiment. You will regret it.
@GDMHificationranpitc
@GDMHificationranpitc 3 года назад
@@kingmasterlord yall nasty
@farabielec
@farabielec 10 месяцев назад
Thank u. Can cee use coal as dilectric?
@jeffreyrood8755
@jeffreyrood8755 4 года назад
Great video as always! Super simple! I too was wondering if you could add layers to this? ...the felt you are using is in the shop...is that your special recipe for great performance? Better than just adding carbon or graphite?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
yes you can mate and there are a number of ways to do this - the best answer is to give it a go
@robinjones7373
@robinjones7373 4 года назад
Awesome video mate, love what you are doing, so sorry you have to suffer all the armchair critics demanding you post performance stats and accusing you of the heinous crime of supporting the channel through selling material.
@basileok2222
@basileok2222 3 года назад
Which is the positive electrode and which is the negative one? How do you calculate the maximum voltage it can withstand?
@CollinBaillie
@CollinBaillie 5 месяцев назад
This video would have benefitted greatly by the addition of some B-Roll close-up footage showing us what you saw as you made this.
@fredjohnson2306
@fredjohnson2306 4 года назад
Hi Robert do you think that it would be possible to electroplate graphene sheets?
@nitrousman8882
@nitrousman8882 3 года назад
You might ask Santa Claus for a chamber vacuum sealer. More expensive, but much better dealing with liquids.
@NeoFrontierTechnologies
@NeoFrontierTechnologies 3 года назад
Hello, Robert, is that an NaCL salt electrolyte you are using ( I only heard you say salt, there are many salts...) ?
@ihtsarl9115
@ihtsarl9115 Год назад
Thank you for sharing this video. You said it can store 7 W.H. per kilo that means you need about 100 sealed cells for 1 kilo Please correct me if I am wrong.
@boots7859
@boots7859 4 года назад
I've been following along for a year or more, and maybe I missed an video or two, however are there any basic capacitance specs available, long-term testing results? None of this is secret or confidential/NDA IP. Any cap on the market from the cheapest Chinesium to Nichia(?) can run non-stop 24x7 for a year or two in charge/discharge mode. Has Robert done a video discussing this already? BTW, I am confused, are we still working on Ultrabatteries, Super-Caps, or conductive ink?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
yes mate - i have done videos on the above and we are working on energy storage which conductive ink is a part
@somniato7759
@somniato7759 4 года назад
Nice! Just a suggestion: Do something with solar panels in the next video
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
@almartel1416
@almartel1416 4 года назад
Imagine 4x8 foot solar panels with this tech hooked up on the underside of them in the same size. Whoa! What would it do for humanity? The possibilities are endless. Thanks for all you do Robert @@ThinkingandTinkering
@JohnAlexanderICT
@JohnAlexanderICT 4 года назад
@@almartel1416 I was thinking the same thing. Actually, my application was more along the lines of, "Stack some of these supercaps inside the frame of a solar panel to make a charge pack for cell phones and bluetooth thingies while camping", but, close.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 4 года назад
John Alexander Great idea, but since Robbert refuses to say anything about the characteristics of these supercaps other then “try it yourself” I have my doubts about the practical use of these diy supercaps. I don’t really understand why one shouldn’t be upfront with the pro’s and cons.
@mikeb6389
@mikeb6389 Год назад
Cool
@ryanlebeck259
@ryanlebeck259 Год назад
How well do they perform in series or parallel?
@AdamWelchUK
@AdamWelchUK 4 года назад
Great video and a really simple method to make a capacitor. I looked at the shop, but I noticed your secure.workingink shop URL isn’t actually secured with a certificate - which makes me nervous buying. Did you know?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
i did mate and we are looking into it
@taylorwhitt3974
@taylorwhitt3974 3 года назад
Ive seen videos of a plastic lining in soda cans. If the aluminum/tin can is conductive, the plastic an electrical separator, how feasible is it to make a crude capacitor from a soda can? Could soda be used as an electrolyte?
@mitza22
@mitza22 4 года назад
Hello mr. Robert ..i saw a video before where you make a 4 farad supercapacitor with carbon felt you said from a hobby store and looks like a plastic foil and i cannot find it anywhere online can you help me please or maybe you have a beter name to search for it or what is it used for thank you alot for the good work is amazing that you share with us.
@AllenZitting
@AllenZitting 4 года назад
I'm having a difficult time finding information on why supercapacitors are so small. This particular capacitor is larger than the majority I have seen you make. I'm interested in what might happen when you make a much larger area capacitor. For example most commercial supercapacitors are about as large as my hand when held in a fist. What might happen if we make one the size of a barrel of oil? I'm in the process of building one to find out although I have nowhere near the expertise that you do and to be honest I'm not sure I will really comprehend the full scope of what I have built once its complete. Thank You
@thomaskelly5449
@thomaskelly5449 2 года назад
I would like to know if you could build a system large enough to store solar power instead of using batteries. I would love to make 60kw at 63 volts
@FRESNEL_COOKING_SOLAR_OVENS24
​@@thomaskelly5449 16v in series of 400F gives out 70F. Making series of 63v will reduce the capacity even further. There is no need to build supercapacitors to store 60killowatts. And is not even possible. Unless you own half of a village to stack that energy at 63v supercaps series. You can't really have parallel connections. This is why you can't do that. You need to have charging board or BMS for each capacitor. The whole project will cost you almost 1 million dollars and will be impossible to assemble.
@grandperspective1167
@grandperspective1167 Год назад
your not wrong but god damn you could at least be fast when stomping on other peoples ideas! Like you made me not want to make things by just reading that! Real inspiring dude
@jeffreyrood8755
@jeffreyrood8755 4 года назад
I'm interested in making a solar array and powerwall set up. I'm wondering if the method would be able to be layered and used for this. Even if a small scale for a few items to be powered or more complete system that would run the whole house?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
if you have never made anything like this mate you really need to start small and experiment - it is a skill like anything else and you are going to make a beautiful table if you have never done any wood work
@gregoryscottpatton6885
@gregoryscottpatton6885 Год назад
Does carbon fiber felt welding blanket work? Carbon Fiber Welding Blanket Felt Black 24" X 18" X 1/4" High Temp Torch Pad US
@Y2Ka966
@Y2Ka966 4 года назад
Sir, How much voltage you gave for charging? Isnt it degrade the Aqueous electrolyte? What is the concentration of the Electrolyte?
@leonardjanus7599
@leonardjanus7599 4 года назад
Adsorb well water or it is hydrophobic?
@isleidaalmonte6170
@isleidaalmonte6170 2 года назад
What is the salt concentration in the water?
@simongray7620
@simongray7620 4 года назад
Nice video sir, but how long will that capacitor/battery run that 6 volt motor?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
the motor acts as an inductive load and doesn't give a true reflection of the energy density - what you really need is a precision load and data logging - but you can expect around 3 watt hours per kg as a figure - but that again will depend on how you make them
@DigIntoGaming
@DigIntoGaming 8 месяцев назад
I am trying to get my hands on the materials used to make these, where does one find the felt and current collectors? The website in the video description doesnt work for me.
@syedmraza99
@syedmraza99 4 года назад
step 1: paper on graphite: done "ans thats our supercapacitor" xD great vid
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
@breakablec
@breakablec 4 года назад
Can the vacuum bags melt from charging - would it need a controller?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
no mate - unless you go wild with it of course - like try to charge it at 400 volts
@dav1dbone
@dav1dbone 4 года назад
Any chance of making one with a nonaqueous electrolyte, also showing us an easy way of making nonaqueous electrolytes? I feel the 1.6volt limit not allowing the full potential pardon the pun
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
I don't think so mate - it's pretty much against what we are doing - the point is safe cheap materials can compete with dangerous, difficult and expensive
@fc3sbob
@fc3sbob 4 года назад
one question I have that I can't seem to figure out.. You are always making single layer capacitors, Could you not stack multiple layers and connect them in series to double the capacitance? I don't see it being done so I have to assume it would not work? And if you can not stack them directly together could you do it with a separation layer in between the cells?
@robertnewland90
@robertnewland90 3 года назад
Capacitors in parallel add the capacitance not in series.
@jasonconley8781
@jasonconley8781 4 года назад
What tools to you use to charge and test these small capacitors and batteries? What do I need to order? TIA
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
i use a range of things including a princeton 273a potentiostat, a cadex 8000 and a rigol benchtop power supply with a bk precision load - but as a minimum a data logging multimeter, a benchtop power supply and some kind of calibrated load - like a resistance network would allow you to make a good evaluation of their performance
@kreynolds1123
@kreynolds1123 4 года назад
Just an idea. Next, make flow capacitor where you move electrolyte from a single uncharged tank to 2 charged tanks. :D If I were to take a stab at it, I'd use a plate with channels in it for charged electrolyte. A stainless steel mesh current collector that allows the charged electrolyte to flow through. Crushed activated carbon. Seperator with channels for uncharged electrolyte flow. and repeat the other way around for the other half.
@geeforce3891
@geeforce3891 4 года назад
Kewll! Great video mate. I guess i could add more carbon or active material in an ink and add it to your activated carbon cloth in the same set up? Also, would stainless mesh current collectors be ok for the long run? Or would the aqueous electrolyte adventually rot it?
@Barskor1
@Barskor1 4 года назад
Stainless steel so no rotting and likely yes for the ink make a few prototypes first so you learn and get an idea for how to make the larger setup.
@davidkunkle405
@davidkunkle405 4 года назад
@@Barskor1 stainless steel does rust, and with salt water it will rust faster, having said this the process would still take so long your collectors will likely outlast anything you could buy market wise for the price.
@Barskor1
@Barskor1 4 года назад
@@davidkunkle405 Oxidation in a vacuum it would be minimal if you really wanted to you could degas the water first for even less oxygen in the system.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 4 года назад
@@Barskor1 Water *is* Oxygen (and hydrogen!) released by electrolysis as current flows through it. Furthermore, salt (NaCl) will ionize into sodium and chlorine, with the sodium going to one plate and the chlorine going to the other during charging. The sodium is likely to bind to the oxygen released by electrolysis, leaving free hydrogen and chlorine ions which will probably attack the iron in the plate turning it into ferric chloride.
@jacewalton6677
@jacewalton6677 3 года назад
What is the separator made of? Is the separator the dielectric? If the electrolyte permitted the entire thing how can there be a potential difference? What am I missing about nthe process
@4gauge10
@4gauge10 4 года назад
Hmm,if you put that into a sandwich,you'll find out real quick who has been stealing your lunch...HAHAHAHAHA!!.😂👍
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
indeed lol
@karlm5022
@karlm5022 4 года назад
Really cool Rob! Have you tried aluminium laminate in the sealer? I've been looking into it, apparently aluminium laminate has good properties to keep air out long term. But I have yet to find a sealer that has enough heat to seal those types of bags. Again thanks for sharing!
@Barskor1
@Barskor1 4 года назад
IRC one side of those is conductive with vapor-deposited aluminum or do they layer on some more plastic? A clothes iron will seal so if you left enough length in the bag you have the food sealer vacuum it out and then you iron it as it maintains the vacuum. I hope that helps and is not a waste of your time.
@karlm5022
@karlm5022 4 года назад
@@Barskor1 Cheers @Barskor1 I'll give it a go. I've never sealed a pouch cell before but Im getting in some of these sheets soon so will see. I don't know the composition of the material itself so will experiment and see. Hopefully It will just seal in a normal bag sealer. Haven't thought about the vacuum just yet.
@Barskor1
@Barskor1 4 года назад
@@karlm5022 Wonderful, happy experimenting. Removing the air is really important as it is what is putting pressure to keep the plates in place and for good electrolyte contact in the system.
@karlm5022
@karlm5022 4 года назад
@@Barskor1 Cheers for the tip.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
the bags will stay sealed long enough for experimenting mate - the laminate your are talkign about is an aluminium layer sandwiched between two layers of plastic so it forms a core. They are desinged not to leak for 5-10 years - so if you are going to make long lasting batteries then that is the one to use - but this is for folks who have never made anything and like all skills making a good job really rrequires practice - you are not going to build a beautiful table with out getting good at woodwork and that takes practice - the same is true here - what we want to do is get the skills without spending a fortune
@ajskilton
@ajskilton Год назад
But you don't actually discuss electrical capacitance. Did you disconnect the charging before running the motor from the discharging?
@SauvikRoy
@SauvikRoy 4 года назад
Dr Zola!:)
@MrMworlds
@MrMworlds 4 года назад
How long will it store a charge Rob? How high will it charge too.
@JimEdmiston
@JimEdmiston 4 года назад
They're easy enough to make, you can buy some parts and support his work, answer your own question. If you do, please share.
@karlm5022
@karlm5022 4 года назад
Dependent on a lot of factors, FWG materials are amazing. I suggest you to buy there kits online and get experimenting!
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
Jim and Karl are spot on mate - science is really about doing and your answers will be far more satisfying - and he is right it would support us tremendously
@bretk7916
@bretk7916 2 года назад
🍓😁👀 okay that's all fine and dandy but how do you overcome electrolysis???????? Please reply, and another question what about lemon juice mixed with iron sulfate for a electrolyte and would something like lemon juice suffer from electrolysis also
@senna4281
@senna4281 4 года назад
Dose the mesh sheet come with it.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
no mate - you might not need the mesh you might want to use graphoil or ali - it all depends on what you are doing - this is just an easy start for most folks to be able to jump in
@THE--DARK
@THE--DARK 4 года назад
So... Wow we can make flexible battery too....😀
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
for sure
@EpicATrain
@EpicATrain 4 года назад
Hello, me again. I've seen people buy ultra capacitors (not sure what the difference is between super and ultra) to make a 12v replacement for their battery in their car so they don't ever have to worry about batteries anymore, with a solar cell for trickle charge. Could you make something similar with these, and if so, could you demonstrate? If you could make a working demonstration then I think people would flock to buy out your inventory. lol
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
Science is really about doing and your answers will be far more satisfying - but i get your point - even so for your first efforts you wouldn't want to make a large application - you need to practice and build a few small ones first - i may do a video on this
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 4 года назад
"not sure what the difference is between super and ultra" It is merely super when you make it, ultra when I make it.
@miker252
@miker252 4 года назад
As you described, it sounds more like a storage cell than a capacitor. How many Micro Farads? What's the maximum voltage and leakage rates?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
mate - you have to find that out for yourself - when i make it - well it will be one thing - when you make it - tbh - it's going to be something different
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 4 года назад
It's a salt water battery (Google it). During the initial charge one of the plates will interact with the salt water and change its chemical composition; and it is the dissimilar metals connected by electrolyte that subsequently pumps electrons. I doubt any benefit exists from challenging the author who doubtless knows all this already.
@enagi5616
@enagi5616 4 года назад
Hi Robert, what kind of tape you use, the tape I have cannot seal together with my vacuum bags? Or it could be my sealer not hot enough, how many watts is yours? (And think my emails went into your spam again)
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
I used a polyethylene heat seal packing tape mate - I got it from eBay - I just specified heat seal and polyethylene
@ralphsammis7330
@ralphsammis7330 4 года назад
I understand the felt w/ activated carbon; probably soaked in wet, then dried. The separator, and positive and negative poles need more of a description for me.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
there is no more description to give mate - it's as simple as it seems - the rest is up to the experimentor to try
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 4 года назад
They start out identical metals. The direction of initial charge will decide which plate subsequently becomes negative and positive.
@Nalber3
@Nalber3 4 года назад
On November I'll start my master thesis and it's all about supercapacitors. I took it as a challenge because I wanted to learn new stuff and found it very interesting. The idea is to create a supercapacitor with graphene, conductive polymers and lignin nano fibers, to enhance the pseudocapacitance . I don't have much knowledge about batteries and supercapacitors, but I found your channel and it's really gonna help me! Could you recommend me some literature about this? Thanks a lot and keep up with the good work!
@robj7481
@robj7481 4 года назад
You can impress your friends by making a battery out of nothing more than a few pennies, a few nickels, and a paper towel soaked in salt water. Stack the coins vertically and alternate penny, nickel, penny, nickel and put a neatly cut circular piece of paper towel soaked in salt water in between every coin. VOILA! A voltage-producing battery and you can read the voltage with a voltmeter!
@leejohnson7851
@leejohnson7851 4 года назад
If several hundred of these were used to push/pull high loads, how often would electrolyte need to be changed?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
no idea
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 4 года назад
Provided your pouches are adequately sealed, the electrolyte will last forever. The plates will eventually be composed and decomposed so many times they will need to be replaced, not the electrolyte.
@maninhonow3049
@maninhonow3049 Год назад
você tem a voz do personagem Wolverine Brasileiro.
@tamaseduard5145
@tamaseduard5145 4 года назад
👍
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 4 года назад
The aim of this video is to sell stuff on his website. Questions about specs of these supercaps are answered with “it’s more fun if you find out yourself”
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
that is exactly the aim - you can expect around 3 watt hour a kg from these materials - if you do it yourself and i think it is fun - how do you think we keep going? we must sell stuff
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 4 года назад
Robert Murray-Smith Thank you for your honesty. I think you could have been even more upfront with it in the video. Just say so. Most viewers enjoy just watching the video’s and will never try this at home. I don’t think that people who are considering to give this a try at home will be triggered by not knowing the possible outcome or will be put off by knowing a result to aim for. I think that for most people this might be enough of a challenge already and people are adverse of uncertainty. This is of cause just my guess. The only thing I can add to that is that I haven’t come across other video’s that do the same. On the contrary, most RU-vidrs show exactly what to do and what results to expect. DIY perks is just one example. Your are an inventor, you have done the research and have overcome a tremendous amount of issues during the process. Your viewers are totally different. They lack most of the passion and perseverance that you have. The ones that will consider buying from you, will probably do so just for the fun of it and maybe they would like to experiment just a little bit. By giving a target range, I think, people might be more triggered to have a go for it themselves.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
@@Conservator. i thought i did - but fair enough
@craigglewis
@craigglewis 4 года назад
@@Conservator. @Robert This Guy must be new to your Channel and does not know who I am or Others that have been watching for years. We Watch, We learn, we get inspired, we Buy and we Create. Robert in my view has done more to advance Graphene into the hands of the People, than anyone. He has inspired many to do their OWN R&D and those that do, are starting companies from Robert's Knowledge and openly sharing. It is was not for Robert, we would be behind 5-10 years in developing the NEW POWER Miracle Mineral.
@nevyngould1744
@nevyngould1744 3 года назад
First segment, *paraphrase * it's this carbon and you can buy it from our shop.. Can't get much more upfront really.
@rohanboswell5408
@rohanboswell5408 Год назад
How much do u pay for your electric bill per month?
@rbouakaz
@rbouakaz 4 года назад
Hi Rob! Thanx for the video:) seen that the electrolyte is salt water - and water evaporates... how long do you think the supercapacitor will be useable (without having to reopen the device and adding more electrolyte)?
@DavidKenny64
@DavidKenny64 4 года назад
If it evaporates, it will condense back inside the SEALED bag. No loss...
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
David is right mate
@rbouakaz
@rbouakaz 4 года назад
Ok - thanks for the answer - I know that Rob SEALED the bag - and the condensation will keep some of the water inside for sure. But how about the sealing around the metal mesh - would water evaporate through that? Just an estimate of the durability of this device using this simple method? any thoughts? I mean you often use this harmless electrolyte (salt water) - but lets say it needs refilling every 3 months then one might consider incorporating a mechanism to refill the device?
@DavidKenny64
@DavidKenny64 4 года назад
@@rbouakaz He added some cellophane across that area to help ensure a good seal. But you would know by looking at it if there was any leaks. After a short time the bag will puff back up, as the felt (which was being squeezed by the atmosphere outside the bag) springs back and the air is drawn back into it through the leak. I had a friend that vacuum packed his sweaters for winter storage. It was amazing how flat, and ridged they became. It sounded like a cedar plank when you banged it on a counter.
@rbouakaz
@rbouakaz 4 года назад
David Kenny thank you for taking the time to explain :)
@peterciurea7771
@peterciurea7771 4 года назад
An idea for a future video: how to make a super capacitor with the same specs as the off the shelf maxwells or similar ultra/super caps. Meaning, how to double up caps in series and get to 2.7v, how to connect multiple stacks to get to 500F (or better yet, higher capacitance that is not traditionally available). This would also educate about the design challenges beyond the capacitive effects - how to select a form factor, a container, roll the stuff into a can or stack a bunch of flat ones in a box, seal the thing in epoxy or wax like the old days, how to make the external connects etc..Finally, doing a heads up comparison with a commercial unit to show what is possible.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
oh i like that mate - but to be honest there won't be any future videos if we don't sell a bit of stuff to keep ourselves running
@SwapnilV
@SwapnilV 4 года назад
can we use aluminum foil for current collector?
@christianhblenden2992
@christianhblenden2992 2 года назад
I've saw using a piece of aluminum sheet metal about credit card size coated with graphene mixed with polyurethane and activated carbon sprinkled heavily then wrapped in blue shop paper shop towels with ammonia chlorine and vaccum sealed. Can't remember the performance stats extremely quick charge..3 seconds and ran a 1.5 amp or volt not sure for 30 min I believe.
@christianhblenden2992
@christianhblenden2992 2 года назад
I saw a video
@TechSouls-wn6jc
@TechSouls-wn6jc 3 года назад
Anyone can guide How to make ink from powdererd PANI and polypyrrole? kindly guide
@tommytirey372
@tommytirey372 4 года назад
whats the mesh number of the ss.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
400
@akeelasimmons4785
@akeelasimmons4785 10 месяцев назад
Wont the salt destroy the current collector
@jamest.5001
@jamest.5001 4 года назад
What is it that limits the voltage of super capacitors? They were 2.5v then 2.7v, now maybe 2.75v, what is keeping them from 50v and such? A dumb question I guess,
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
the voltage tends to be limited by the water breakdown voltage - normally that is 1.23V but carbon adsorbs hydrogen and raises that limit - there are other things you can do - like WiSE electrolytes that use the energy of solvation to do the same thing
@jamest.5001
@jamest.5001 4 года назад
@@ThinkingandTinkering is there any other electrolytes? That could allow higher voltage? Probably another dumb question, thanks for taking the time, I really appreciate it! I'm a bit old to be asking such dumb questions! But I'm curious... Thanks again..
@jamest.5001
@jamest.5001 4 года назад
@@ThinkingandTinkering I guess Gatorade is out! Ha-ha, good day, and thanks again,
@dcbourbonireland
@dcbourbonireland 4 года назад
I remain very confused with your reply to 3watts per kilo or 3 kilowatts equals 333 kilos is the power density for this capasitor type . You did a similar type of foam carbon salt water capasitor type set up using ten of these foam capacitors same size 14 cm squared at something like 1.8 volts per cell making what you said in that video was 18 volt and 1 kilowatt power source . In that demo the casing was car battery type from typical 70 amp lead acid battery minus the lead components which were replaced with the ten capistor assemblies . That suggested the capistors in that demo were closer to the 50 watts per kilo that lead acid battery can do . Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick on that video many it was lead acid plate with carbon wrapped around it ? That RU-vid in late 2018 seems to have gone AWOl . Maybe in that case your number got mixed up and the real numbers were a lot less than the stated 1 kilowatt power going from 18 volts to some low voltage possibly 11 volts or 9 volts . I have been waiting for for when you would sell package of ten foam carbon salt water capistor at a reasonable price for this combo to give me the ability to have a 1 kilowatt source at 18 volts in a typical 70 amp hour battery case . I wanted to make some 20 of these 1 kilowatt power sources to power a electric boat 1 kilowatt motor marine drive system for some 15 hours. Any idea was it some other project you did or was it a mistake in numbers or a mix up on my part and this 1 kilowatt capasitor is gona be a unobtainuim product for the near future as in wait five more years .
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
i think you got the wrong end of the stick - this video is about doing it yourself and the caps shown are really just materials to do it yourself - you can expect around 3 watt hours per kg if you do it yourself from these materials
@mixlix8909
@mixlix8909 4 года назад
But how do you know its a capasitor and not a battery??? And when does a capasitor become a super capasitor? Its like when is a creek big enough to be called a river.. one foot deep and one foot wide? Or ist it twise that size? or what?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
the method of how the energy is stored that defines the difference mate
@spex357
@spex357 4 года назад
Why are auto bag sealers so loud, the actual processes involved can be achieved with virtually no noise at all. As always your video's create questions, are inspirational and the processes achievable by many. Here's hoping everything is going along swimmingly behind the stream for all the team.
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
@solidbattery9956
@solidbattery9956 4 года назад
The capacity of this capacitor will be proportional to its size. The bigger, the more capacity. But there are three things which make me worried. One thing is about the occurrence of hydrogen in the process of reduction Second thing is the reduction of negative electrode. Soon, the negative electrode will be corroded. Third, the third thing is that the polarity will be changed. Good Luck
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
it's an experiment not a product mate
@simonmaverick9201
@simonmaverick9201 Год назад
Why is it called a 'super-capacitor' and not just a capacitor?
@degreesdegrees-jr4eg
@degreesdegrees-jr4eg 4 года назад
How many volt can this be chaged with ? How.many farad is this unit? How to make a 12 v. Supercap. For car stereo. +1000 farad ?
@JimEdmiston
@JimEdmiston 4 года назад
I think it's time you start experimenting!
@degreesdegrees-jr4eg
@degreesdegrees-jr4eg 4 года назад
@@JimEdmiston would be nice to know price ans so on before
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
I am afraid Jim is right mate - watch a few videos and make a few and try - science is really about doing and your answers will be far more satisfying
@degreesdegrees-jr4eg
@degreesdegrees-jr4eg 4 года назад
@@ThinkingandTinkering thanks. But it will be most satisfying for me to pay minimum of money for 1000 farad 12 v. So shuld i buy some that is made. or will i build my own ?
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
it just depends what you want to do mate - if you want to explore the science, understand and invent you should go one way if what you want to do is just use it then go buy something already made
@irish-medi-weed-grower5240
@irish-medi-weed-grower5240 4 года назад
3wh per kilo , are you sure its not 3kwh per kilo ?
@Ahamshep
@Ahamshep 4 года назад
3 wh/kg is correct. The best lithium ion only stores around 400wh/kg. 3kwh/kg would be revolutionary.
@irish-medi-weed-grower5240
@irish-medi-weed-grower5240 4 года назад
@@Ahamshep so at 3wh per kilo that's going to be 333kg for 1kw of electricity ?
@Ahamshep
@Ahamshep 4 года назад
For 1kwh yes.
@irish-medi-weed-grower5240
@irish-medi-weed-grower5240 4 года назад
@@Ahamshep wow , are you sure cos that's a 327kg difference for 1kwh of tesla powerwall. we might as well be vac packing lemons bro.
@Ahamshep
@Ahamshep 4 года назад
That is why no one is using super capacitors in place of batteries yet. Although some promising results have been obtained in the lab.
@genkidama7385
@genkidama7385 4 года назад
audio is always bad on your videos can you get a wearable microphone ?
@NTF-zb9wi
@NTF-zb9wi 3 года назад
And, trying to talk slower would help, as well... I'm in the US; &, trying to "translate" UK English into US English can be "interesting." I had to reduce the video speed to 75%; AND, STILL turn on closed captioning, just to follow what you were saying. If I had trouble following what you were saying, I'm sure that I'm far from alone here in the US... (I just tend to be more out-spoken than most people.) Interesting content, though. :)
@rino040672
@rino040672 4 года назад
Robert please please please buy a good microphone!!!!jesus!!!why u keep it going like that!!!u need a good sound otherwise listening u become suffering
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 4 года назад
It's a battery, not a capacitor.
@WBT714
@WBT714 4 года назад
DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!?????
@lloydpl
@lloydpl 4 года назад
I dont believe you
@K8URChannel
@K8URChannel 4 года назад
It appears you are selling. I was hoping to see some actual science, some math.. No Q calc? No C calc? No nothing really..
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
yes we are selling - how do you think we run this channel?
@steve42lawson
@steve42lawson 4 года назад
Waste of 12:05, mate!
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
lol - fair enough
@localbroadcast
@localbroadcast 4 года назад
you gotta start editing out the horrible audio sections your videos all too often contain.. This video has like 2 full minutes of nothing but horrible vacuum sealer noise! Don't do it to appease me.. I would like to see your channel get the attention it deserves, and the standards of people watching youtube videos are becoming more and more refined as time goes by. This is in part because of youtube's algorithm not suggesting poorly edited videos as often as videos with some production value.. But an even bigger reason why people are demanding higher quality of videos is simply because of the HUGE increase in people uploading content to RU-vid compared to the amount only a year or two ago. With more creators comes competition, and improved quality and selection for everyone. videos which are simply boring, pointless, or poorly edited will just not draw attention as there is so much more to click instead. Also.. the sound of grinders, blenders, vacuums, etc. just plain kicks off my migraines sometimes!
@ThinkingandTinkering
@ThinkingandTinkering 4 года назад
cheers mate
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