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Building a Gear Shaper 

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I've tried to make internal gears by a number of methods in the past, but it's never quick, easy or reliable with normal hand or machine tools. The gear shaper is the perfect machine to do this, so I thought I'd have a go at building one.

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@robertmason8341
@robertmason8341 Год назад
This has to be one of the best, if not the best diy machine builds I’ve seen on RU-vid yet. Your use of the donor mill casting was a great idea. It retains the quill functionality to get your reciprocating motion (shaper motion) and you get the dampening properties of cast iron that all proper commercial machine tools are built from. Most diy machine tool builds I’ve seen are of the “built up” variety, with housings fabricated from steel plate and bolted together or a combination of bolted construction and weldments. The cast iron construction being more rigid and thus more ideal for machining. Can’t wait for part 2!!
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines Год назад
Thanks! The only thing I'm slightly concerned about is that the rack and pinion gears on the quill are not that big and probably not designed for this type of use. That's why I used the shear pin. I'm probably being over cautious though and it will outlast all the use I'll ever need from it.
@chrisarmstrong8198
@chrisarmstrong8198 Год назад
@@AndysMachines I agree. The rack and pinion gears will probably wear out first (after a LOT of gear cutting). Maybe a bell-crank arrangement at the top of the spindle driven from your new reciprocating arm could drive the spindle up and down directly?
@zbnmth
@zbnmth Год назад
@@chrisarmstrong8198 Good point. Not sure how the bellcrank would be fitted, but I was thinking of a piston. Could you elaborate?
@LordOfTamarac
@LordOfTamarac Год назад
Amazing man, most content creators would have stretched this into a 15 part series. I love the high-level overview that shows the most interesting parts of the process in your style of filming.
@OneManEngineering
@OneManEngineering Год назад
funny you said this. I could watch this all day. a 15 part series sounds fantastic :D. Andy always delivers!!! TIA, Greg
@nick1bb1
@nick1bb1 Год назад
Absolutely fantastic! can't wait for part 2! I love that you are re-using/re-purposing old item to make a completely new machine- that in turn makes other parts for other machines- Brilliant!
@Dooban
@Dooban Год назад
Your channel is awesome and extremely underrated.
@gutsngorrrr
@gutsngorrrr Год назад
Very impressive, taking the old mill and converting it like this, so clever. I'm looking forward to part 2
@JeffPedlow
@JeffPedlow Год назад
What a great start to the weekend! Always a delight to see a new video.
@garygenerous8982
@garygenerous8982 Год назад
Absolutely amazing work. I love seeing you take crappy chinesium machine tools and turn them into other machine tools with amazing precision. Can’t wait for part 2!
@lumotroph
@lumotroph Год назад
Wow! So keen for the next one!
@anthonyalbanese1993
@anthonyalbanese1993 Год назад
That moment when you wanted to make internal gears for a while now - and have a spare milling head... Looks like another project for myself down the road. This is awesome! Thank you for sharing this!
@Smallathe
@Smallathe Год назад
Now that is a LOT of work. WOW... a very impressive build!!!
@wildgophers91
@wildgophers91 7 месяцев назад
hahaha, you got me with "The two, in no way fit together"
@marcelosacem4940
@marcelosacem4940 Год назад
Simply the best. No other teacher, which he definitely is, can transmit so much information in such a precise and clear way. Learn from him and you will be a better machinist, his ideas for obtaining a very complicated process in a simple attainable way using available parts and new technology are outstanding. Congratulations 👏
@RyJones
@RyJones Год назад
You’re back! ❤
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines Год назад
I never actually went anywhere, but time flies!
@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian
@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian Год назад
Astonishing vision, design and execution. Well done on such a brilliant build. 👏👏👍😀
@FCleff
@FCleff Год назад
BRAVO, Andy!
@charlvanniekerk8009
@charlvanniekerk8009 Год назад
FINALLY !!!! I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEOME TO TREPAN SOMETHING FOR YEARS! Incredible build and some amazing techniques. This really makes for an incredibly precise piece of equipment and endless possibilities well done!
@rootvalue
@rootvalue Год назад
I love your videos so much. The effort, skill, and knowledge are immeasurable.
@2OO_OK
@2OO_OK Год назад
Very Impressive! This 14 minute video must have taken 40 hours of real time to make.
@thecorbies
@thecorbies Год назад
Fabulous project, fabulous work, and fabulous explanations. Thanks for sharing this with us. Regards Mark in the UK
@georgedreisch2662
@georgedreisch2662 Год назад
Simply brilliant! Looking forward to the math involved to get it all to sync. Also hoping on more elaboration on inside gears, particularly, tooth profiles.
@hpevans9041
@hpevans9041 Год назад
Fantastic work Andy, you certainly have a wide range of skills
@wes7715
@wes7715 8 месяцев назад
Best part is when he said "gimmie dat, gimmie dat" while building his monster. KEEP SPEED! Ok ok oh god I could say so much. But the transition from CNC spot drill to HAND DRILL really got me. 😅Pure genius.
@homemadetools
@homemadetools Год назад
Good work. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎
@RustyInventions-wz6ir
@RustyInventions-wz6ir 3 месяца назад
Interesting. Very nice work
@smudgemo
@smudgemo Год назад
Really neat stuff! One of the few channels I don't FF through at some point. Probably a combination of the overall length and not wasting a lot of time showing completely obvious disassembly in fast-motion. The subject matter is most important, of course, and I find this inspirational as I'm mostly an amateur hack machinist.
@DudleyToolwright
@DudleyToolwright Год назад
Very interesting project. Thoroughly enjoyed.
@brucewilliams6292
@brucewilliams6292 Год назад
Very impressive! You do such well thought out projects.
@eyuptony
@eyuptony Год назад
Brilliant, enjoyed watching. Tony
@stefanguiton
@stefanguiton Год назад
Excellent video!
@MyLilMule
@MyLilMule Год назад
Absolutely brilliant. I love it.
@joell439
@joell439 Год назад
Always exciting, interesting, educational and entertaining content that I eagerly look forward to watching. Thank you 👍👍😎👍👍.
@pawekowalski7469
@pawekowalski7469 Год назад
I am so impressed with your designs !! 👌👍👍It is a pity that I do not have such knowledge in the field of CNC. 🤥Greetings from Poland Jestem pod wrażeniem twoich projektów !! Szkoda, że nie mam takiej wiedzy z zakresu CNC.
@howtorepairpendulumclocks
@howtorepairpendulumclocks Год назад
totally brilliant. Inspiring!
@TheDistur
@TheDistur Год назад
That is so cool. Once you have enough tools you can make so many other tools!
@rickpalechuk4411
@rickpalechuk4411 Год назад
Cool build Andy, looking forward to the rest of the series. Cheers
@LitchKB
@LitchKB Год назад
Spent most of a day researching how I was going to do this for the ring gear of a planetary setup last week... Then presto! Andy beat me to it. Kudos.
@IrenESorius
@IrenESorius Год назад
Impressive! Cheers and thanks for sharing Andy,, 🍻😎👍‍‍👍‍‍
@CRILIKk
@CRILIKk Год назад
Wow , best explanations on gears ever , thank you 🙏
@f.hababorbitz
@f.hababorbitz Год назад
WOW! Your video production is always so well done. Your engineering and clever design ability (i.e. talent) is exemplary. This is not applicable to your implementation, but I turned a motor shaft down a few years back, on a new 3 phase motor I was fitting on my lathe. In my case a V-belt pulley. I didn't think about it at the time, but I left a sharp corner on the reduced shaft. Within 20 hours of running, the vibrations of the motor caused a crack to develop at that corner and the shaft with the pulley went rolling down the shop floor. Big lesson learned. Never thought that small vibration and radial load would do this on a 19mm shaft, at least not in my lifetime.
@thomasstover6272
@thomasstover6272 Год назад
Thanks, Andy! A new machine to obsess over! I happen to have an old XLO mill head….hmmm.
@ledfootlou2540
@ledfootlou2540 Год назад
I’m loving all the gear making videos, keep up the good work!
@irritantno9
@irritantno9 Год назад
This channel covers so many different topics I'm interested in, and I really have a limited interest in gears. Just became a patreon supporter.
@ianreynolds9693
@ianreynolds9693 Год назад
Absolutely amazing!!
@Thermo88
@Thermo88 Год назад
impressive work thank you for sharing your experience
@samrodian919
@samrodian919 Год назад
You sir are a mechanical genius. I loved watching that!
@rodneykiemele4721
@rodneykiemele4721 Год назад
Your videos are very impressive, Thank You very much for sharing them.
@barryvj171
@barryvj171 Год назад
Legend !! Who would have ever thought about doing that !!
@LordPhobos6502
@LordPhobos6502 Год назад
6:30 'They call me Dr Worm... I'm not a real doctor, but I am a real worm'
@stevensmart8868
@stevensmart8868 Год назад
Nice work. Thanks for sharing
@alliwantedisapepsi1492
@alliwantedisapepsi1492 Год назад
Part two? really. I hate suspense. Anyway, this just looks like another awesome build. Top notch build for a difficult challenge. Great jOB.
@marianodiaz461
@marianodiaz461 Год назад
Great video! The only thing that I would change is to make the worm taper , but your system works good as well…keep up the good work!
@seimela
@seimela Год назад
The information I wasn't aware of is the blank also rotates with cutter
@user-gh3dd5or3q
@user-gh3dd5or3q Год назад
Технари друг друга всегда поймут. Шикарная работа!
@kisoia
@kisoia Год назад
Excellent work and video, thanks!
@kevinsellsit5584
@kevinsellsit5584 Год назад
Spectacular! That has money maker written all over it! ;)
@improviseddiy
@improviseddiy Год назад
Nicely done! Thinking outside to box here. 🤔
@alitn588
@alitn588 Год назад
Brilliant idea 👍👍
@justRD1
@justRD1 Год назад
Awesome!!! It’s like my maker Channels know I’ve been tooling up to make gears!
@gerhardgroenewald6560
@gerhardgroenewald6560 Год назад
o yes!Dont forget the relief on up strokes!Somebody with your calibre can easily program that in.Cant wait to see Andy...
@stupid-handle
@stupid-handle Год назад
Well done Andy! From your last video I inferred the finish would be due to the rotary head not being in perfect sync with the spindle, as in something you could solve somewhat easily, but great build otherwise! I don't personally like much the fact that quill's rack and pinion are taking all that intermittent load, but (as originally intended) the mechanism seems able of handling moderate loads, so as long as you don't give it too much depth of cut I guess you should be fine. And if that fails at anytime you've got more than enough skills to find a suitable solution. All the best!
@lawdelaggaye8338
@lawdelaggaye8338 Год назад
Help me a lot. Thanx brother
@fenchelteefee
@fenchelteefee Год назад
Just pure awesomeness
@older-wiser-better
@older-wiser-better Год назад
Very cool upcycling
@aaronsilas7024
@aaronsilas7024 Год назад
Love the fact you are sinking your teeth back into the whole gear topic. I believe its somewhat of a black art for most machinists s its great to learn about it.
@HM-Projects
@HM-Projects Год назад
This is excellent, cheers.
@Dellpodder
@Dellpodder Год назад
Your videos are amazing; thanks for making them! Cheers from across the pond.
@glennwright9747
@glennwright9747 Год назад
Awesome build. When I do projects they keep getting interrupted by 100 other tasks and months later my project may get completed😊
@rabahchikh8918
@rabahchikh8918 Год назад
Good job c'est une idée géniale
@adityabhanuwanshe4381
@adityabhanuwanshe4381 Год назад
Amazing transformation and very good machining 👍 Just a little upgrade tip add another stepper motor to bed horizontal movement you will get rack shaping machine too 🤑🤑
@juliocesardemoraesbarros5585
I have made a planetary gear set 8mm. Tick using a a laser cnc cutter and it's working perfecly
@Smartzenegger
@Smartzenegger Год назад
Very nice. See you in Part2D2. :)
@josecarlospoggian149
@josecarlospoggian149 Год назад
Thanks a lot!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@andli461
@andli461 Год назад
Amazing! But have to wait for part 2… 😬😉
@ollied1981
@ollied1981 Год назад
Brilliant stuff :)
@mrechbreger
@mrechbreger Год назад
I'd be interested in power skiving, I'm doing quite some gear hobbing myself.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Год назад
Brilliant.
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 Год назад
Thanks for sharing.
@TheDumry
@TheDumry Год назад
So much garbage on youtube that gets millions of views. Content like this is why I watch youtube, I'm rooting for you that your channel will blow up big, you deserve it.
@ImpactWench
@ImpactWench Год назад
Can't wait!
@machineworld1873
@machineworld1873 11 месяцев назад
impressive it is my first time to see that 😍
@matter9
@matter9 Год назад
Phenomenal.
@federicoae7671
@federicoae7671 Год назад
Great video, as usual. Are you still working on the T-800? I would really like to see that finished.
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines Год назад
Thanks! Yes I am. In fact I need this machine to make some of the T-800's gears.
@deanharris7149
@deanharris7149 Год назад
Awesome.
@meocats
@meocats Год назад
Good idea
@chimpera1
@chimpera1 Год назад
I love this
@tradingisthinking
@tradingisthinking 9 дней назад
gear skiving is more interesting , keep going on that bro
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines 6 дней назад
It is! The problem is it needs a specific cutter for each number of teeth, and the geometry is much more complicated. A shaping cutter (which looks very similar) will cut any number of teeth, like a hob.
@KW-ei3pi
@KW-ei3pi 9 месяцев назад
Thank you! You are such a great resource for all things "gears" ! Home shop engineering is so enjoyable. Thanks for all of your great videos! PS: Consider creating an email address and adding it to the "About" section of your RU-vid channel for direct communication. Regards.
@micro04thai27
@micro04thai27 Год назад
cool amazing skill
@glennmoreland6457
@glennmoreland6457 Год назад
You might want to redesign the upper crank for the linear motion with a slot so you can adjust the stroke... 😐🇬🇧
@gerhardgroenewald6560
@gerhardgroenewald6560 Год назад
Technically speaking you can do away with form invole cutters.Cnc grind a perfect involute 1 tooth cutter from proper hss and still shape with it while indexing for all teeth to be cut.Away with expensive disc type shaper cutters.Damn your content makes me so excited.Having shapers myself i always wanted to see a setup like yours.Im very interested on the span measurements accuracy after you finished.
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines Год назад
Yes, that method would be similar to using a regular gear cutter on a milling machine and indexing the blank, whereas the pinion cutter is more like cutting a gear with a hob. The pinion cutter is more complicated to make, but has the advantage that it will cut any number of teeth. The one-tooth cutter might be better for larger module sizes, as only one tooth is being cut producing less force on the cutter compared to multiple teeth being cut at once.
@gerhardgroenewald6560
@gerhardgroenewald6560 Год назад
@@AndysMachines ja Yes!That idea you are moving to now is way more professional. It ticks a lot of boxes. One is practical setting up the gear for runout before starting. You only have to deal with one plane instead of milling which has three. Two, overall rigidity. Instead of cutting something on a abour you are cutting into the table. 3, by setting feed rate slower (more cuts per tooth) equal less force and better accuracy. 4, cutter runout becomes neglectable for generating with 1 tooth cutter. 5, you will always get close to perfect involute profile instead of form cutters that's involute is only correct for 1 count tooth for that specific range. That alone in itself is why one doesn't cut professional gears on milling machines. 6 form cutters involute profiles typically vary from standard generated gears so it's not a good idea to mesh milled gears with 99% of all gears found in a gearbox. 7. now you can start experimenting with complex internal generating profiles like internal square with almost no radius. You're making the gear cutters jealous now. Actually generating with a mill wow!!! Cant wait to see more
@gerhardgroenewald6560
@gerhardgroenewald6560 Год назад
I have made and generated with single point cutters if you are interested to see how good the results are? Its totally worth it for various reasons.
@user-mg9mg1dy8n
@user-mg9mg1dy8n Год назад
Nice work 👏 💞💞🌺😘
@JLmcct
@JLmcct Год назад
You are mad but genious !
@slypig24
@slypig24 Год назад
I liked the oscillating link. Could make the crank arm length with a slot, to allow for different offset, and different length of stroke.?
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines Год назад
Yes, I did think about doing something like that and other people have mentioned this too. But for now at least it's unlikely I'll need to change the stroke for the gears I want to make.
@azenginerd9498
@azenginerd9498 Год назад
Another fascinating build! No need for adjustment on the stroke length? Or does that add a level of complexity not warranted in this design?
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines Год назад
I chose a stroke length to suit the type of gears I want to make, I probably won't need to change it, if I do the only way is to shorten or lengthen one of the lever arms.
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 Год назад
inspiring to say the least 👍
@OB1canblowme
@OB1canblowme Год назад
I run a Liebherr LFS 380 gear shaper at work and would recommend taking another look at skiving. Gear shaping is one of the most soul killing machining strategies to get dialed in perfectly (assuming numerical control). Looking at your results for skiving i strongly suspect the defects you got on your attempts is down to the synchronisation of the two spindles. A properly tuned PID curve and backlash free servo drive would probably remedy that.
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines Год назад
That's an interesting opinion, most people tell me to give up with skiving as I'll never get good results with home-made equipment! The main problem I have with skiving is making the cutters to the correct geometry, there's much more to it than a hob or shaper cutter, plus with skiving you need a different cutter for each tooth count whereas with hobbing/shaping it only takes one cutter. So far the results I've got from shaping are much better, though the cuts I'm taking seem to be consistently shallower than expected, due to rigidity/ deflection issues.
@OB1canblowme
@OB1canblowme Год назад
@@AndysMachines Yeah, i can understand the issue with grinding your own skiving cutters. I've just never had an easy going experience with gear shaping so i would rather put in the time to research, reverse engineer and calculate a parametric formula for the geometry to make my own skiving cutters than to work anymore than i absolutely have to with a gear shaper
@gregwmanning
@gregwmanning Год назад
Bold project Andy. Did you meticulously plan and design everything before you started or figure it out as you progressed?
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines Год назад
I usually make a broad plan to start, but it often evolves as I build it. Usually it's steered by the parts and materials I have available. You'll see in part 2 how the control system evolved.
@JesseSchoch
@JesseSchoch Год назад
great job andy!!! I'd love to know how much force it takes to cut a chip with that setup. I did a small experiment on a 9x30 lathe and it didn't seem rigid enough. Also, why not just drive the cut with your Z motor? Would it stall or were you just worried about ware?
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines Год назад
Thanks! It's actually capable of applying a downward force on the cutter of around 6000N (~600Kg) in the middle of the stroke. This would possibly be enough to strip the quill gears but hopefully the shear pin would go first. I don't know how much force it actually takes to make a cut, but considerably less, even when cutting steel the motor doesn't appear to be under much load at all. Using the Z motor (Nema 34 stepper) would be much slower, have less force, and also there would be more backlash as when using the quill I lock the head to the column.
@lawmate
@lawmate Год назад
Amazing work! Do you need to add extra lubrication for the quill and rack and pinion now they are constantly in motion? Looking forward to the next video. You'll be making a lot of gear trains when this is done!
@AndysMachines
@AndysMachines Год назад
Yes, I did make sure it was all well lubricated when I reassembled it. The quill is easy to lubricate in use, but the rack and pinion gears are not so easy to get to without pulling out the gear shaft.
@lawmate
@lawmate Год назад
@@AndysMachines ah yeah. Maybe a little oil dripper above the pinion?
@dalelathwell7219
@dalelathwell7219 Год назад
Well, that sure looks a very handy tool was you a machinist by trade ? I've made clock gears in the past and found them very challenging with manual dividing heads would love a stepper motor dividing head like yours 👍
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