Building an Extreme Power Mac 9600

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Today, we're upgrading the ever-loving heck out of the Power Mac 9600!
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@reidster87 Год назад

One thing worth bearing in mind with the 9600 is that there are two PCI buses. The top three slots are on one bus, the bottom three on another. From the top, the first slot and fourth slot are the positions for the bus master cards. For optimum performance, a common configuration would be to put the video card in the top slot, and the hard disk controller in the fourth slot. The way they are installed at 11:53 has the video card as a bus master on the second bus, with the SATA controller as a lower priority device on the same bus. If you move the cards around as I described above, they won't be competing for PCI bandwidth.

@ActionRetro Год назад

Thank you!!

@Mini-z1994 Год назад

@@ActionRetro For the 240 gb pny ssd you broke the sata connector on, push it back in place + hotglue the cable in place should let you keep using it, the piece of plastic is just a spacer too make the contacts push against the pins of the sata cable.

@pseudotasuki Год назад

@@Mini-z1994 Yeah, the pins look like they're still intact. Though super glue would probably work better than hot glue.

@john_ace Год назад

The top 3 slots are shared with the other IO of the 9600 (ethernet, ADB, ...). Typically the 4th slot would be for graphics and the top 3 for IO. If you want the optimal hdd performance but you don't care for graphics, you are right, though. Cards that communicate via DMA to each other (a video card that writes into the frame buffer of the graphics card or several SCSI-cards, for example) should be on the same bus.

@john_ace Год назад

I have tested the performance difference a bit and came to the conclusion that there is little impact with a G4 CPU and more modern cards. The biggest impact was around 10% less than the optimal configuration when i used 2 Quickdraw 3D accelerator cards and one were on the 2nd bus with the graphics card and the other was on the 1st bus 'alone'.

@brokenelectronics3665 Год назад

For the record, the Silicon Power drive model is Ace A55. Yes, we can question the choice of font, but SP drives have proven to very reliable for me.

@travosk8668 Год назад

This is insane, I imagine this could've been usable for actual work until the mid to late 00s

@animatewithdermot Год назад

Best advice I ever got was when buying a pick n mix system (laptop or whatever) just take the financial hit and max out everything. Otherwise you're just shortening the lifespan of the system. Spent 4600$ on this laptop, got it in jan 2016, and still totally fine for work, including animation and video editing. Hard to believe this thing is 7 years old and still fast.

@txlv Год назад

what the hell 1900???

@ale6242 Год назад

@@animatewithdermot Eeehhhhh. I'd tend to disagree with the "max it out" philosophy. At a certain point you're paying big bucks for single % improvements in performance. There is certainly a balance to be struck

@heavy0119 Год назад

@@animatewithdermot maxing out gives you exponentially diminishing returns after a certain performance threshold is reached

@dkhl02 11 месяцев назад

😅es su dinero su tiempo además lo estás viendo consigo su propósito 😅

@helfire23 Год назад

Thanks so much for sharing your 9600 face plate! Booting off the SATA card plus the ability to hot swap SD cards in BlueSCSI V2 makes this really useful for moving things around or switching cd's without rebooting.

@Nikkerston Год назад

a friend of mine actually has one of those A55 SSD's and its been fine for a year or two now

@eggmane Год назад

Yeah, they are ok for what they are. I have upgrade about a dozen friends and families computers with them over the years without any issues.

@victorfigueroa9385 Год назад

ass drive hehe

@mulad Год назад

I would totally expect to need to back that A55 up, but the A55 being the backup was unexpected.

@MichaelEilers Год назад

Mac OS X on a CRT is a very surreal experience.

@dcfuksurmom Год назад

Not quite as surreal as Gentoo booting on a PS2 on a CRT TV in 480i over component video though.

@goclunker Год назад

Emacs had it, it was great

@mustasheolll2020 4 месяца назад

It’s like a sleeper because OS X on a Beige box

@superstar64 Месяц назад

iMac G3, and eMac, as well as the CRT options available for Power Mac G3 and G4 towers at the time of their release.

@TommyCrosby Год назад

10:44 happened to me, you can buy some sort of extension and after making sure all pins have a contact, you glue it there and you got a new connector! (And a longer drive, but since the PCB in today's SSDs are often half the size inside you can just crack it open and find your way to make a totally normal SSD with a new working plug!)

@stamasd8500 Год назад

It happened to me and a Seagate HDD back in the day. So what I did is: take a SATA cable, cut one end of it, clean up the wire ends and solder then directly to the drive PCB where the connector was torn off. I ended up with a drive with a SATA cable permanently attached to it. Worked fine for several years after that.

@VeronicaExplains Год назад

This is Power Mac goals right here! I remember this Power Mac being "the good one" in my middle school. Seeing it installing Tiger - the native OS from my college laptop - is surreal.

@retropuffer2986 Год назад

Outstanding work! What a monster for mid-90s computer! 😵‍💫

@aswxwing Год назад

Watching your builds are a highlight of my week. It's gotten me up and building my own vintage computers.

@ArniesTech Год назад

I absolutely wonder how on earth this fella gets his hands on all that amazing retro hardware 🙏😱 I plan on covering retro Windows machines and revive them with Linux but I am lucky to find stuff from around the early 2000s 😁

@superstar64 Месяц назад

eBay is a blessing and a curse. You can find almost anything on there, but everything is uber expensive for some reason.

@mediocrefunkybeat Год назад

I've been using an SP SSD in various devices over the last two or three years and it's been absolutely fine.

@moth.monster Год назад

I've used their SD cards for a while now with no issue. They have good capacity and speed for the price.

@AliceC993 Год назад

I bought a 64 GB, USB 3 flash drive from them about 9-10 years ago and it still works to this day

@Pasi123 Год назад

I have an old dead 4GB Silicon Power USB flash drive. It just shows up as a drive without media, pretty much like how a card reader without a card shows up

@patrickelliott2169 Год назад

Hmm.. I just don't trust anything with misspelling and weird names. Often it ends up being an SD card, hooked up to an SSD controller, with the internal device ID and specs changed so that once you hit 64gb, or what ever the SD card size is, it loops back and starts overwriting data. Short of running some absurd time intensive tests, or breaking open the case to see if it's real, there is no way to tell if it is fake.

@zaxchannel2834 Год назад

Oh wow, I look forward to seeing what you bring in person

@milky__1748 Год назад

I love these crazy upgrades videos!!

@pepstein Год назад

1:46 768 Megs gag was great😂

@DangerousPictures Год назад

thats a nice installation of Mac OAss 9

@adamburgess1287 Год назад

Used to lust after these things! When ProTools came out, I was amazed to be able to sequence MIDI and edit audio. My clone wasn't quite up to it. The render times were just so long! Needed a 8/ 9600!

@Realaudiosith Год назад

This is so cool. I love all your videos.

@Caisuno Год назад

Amazing as always

@Taras-Nabad 9 месяцев назад

That is one of the best Macs ever made. Indestructible.

@michaelmullett7327 Год назад

Very very cool My Friend!

@notation254 Год назад

This channel is awesome!

@mudkipaway Год назад

I did the same thing with my sata pny boot drive luckily I was able to super glue the plastic back on.

@OrDuckVet Год назад

Your audio is so much better compared to a year ago!

@orestes1984 Год назад

Hey Sean, This was one of the first Macs I wanted even after the G3 was released. They were beast, even back in the day with the dual 200mhz MP. While the support for multiple processors in OS 8 and 9 was rather limited, these computers were absolute beasts, back from the day when Apple actually made computers for professionals and not just for the middle market.

@chrisliddiard725 Год назад

subscribed. Can't wait to see what you do with this beast. ;0)

@RudysRetroIntel Год назад

Awesome video and work! A must-subscribe channel! Thanks for sharing

@chadmasta5 Год назад

I'll add to the comments mentioning silicon power ssds. They're great cheap ssds. No dram cache but their performance is still very good.

@ora2j251 Год назад

I love how any powerpc mac on your channel usually siprals into a custom g4 beast.

@MatthewCenance Год назад

That's a nice sounding printer you have at 7:53.

@stupidbeard3702 Год назад

I snapped the SATA connector off on a brand new Ironwolf NAS SSD a while ago. I was able to carefully superglue it back on and the drive has been fine since. Its worth a try if it's not too late.

@erikja1 Год назад

Wow some harsh comments mixed with the helpful! Thanks for the video. I like that you leave the learning experiences in the video.

@trepanier01 Год назад

I do say silicon power SSDs SD cards are actually pretty well made and has worked for me quite well in the past

@faenethlorhalien Год назад

Ow, laaawd, he comin'! What a heccin chonker or a Mac.

@benotsilent6703 Год назад

10:55 - ass drive, I had to pause it to wait to stop laughing so I could hear what you were saying next.

@NaoPb Год назад

Way to go!

@Rabbit_AF Год назад

ACE A55! Nice!

@puwazatza 10 месяцев назад

a maxed out 9600 it's a dream machine. now you need a firewire card.

@bruce11121314 Год назад

As a former hackintosher "Still waiting for root device" puts a special sort of fear in my heart

@morcatko02 Год назад

Incredible. 🙂 Like a best cake in the cake shop. 🙂

@Azurael Год назад

I put a Silicon Power Ace A55 in a friend's machine a couple of years ago and it's been fine. It is a somewhat entertaining name but I also had a camera called a Sony SLT-a55 which is arguably even worse so it's not just relatively unknown brands who do it :D

@MistahMatzah Год назад

It's even funnier if you pronounce PNY "Peeny."

@OfficialiGamer Год назад

The SP A55 are great I use SP (Silicon Power) SSD's in almost everything even use their SD and Micro SD Cards.

@wildstar1063 11 месяцев назад

I have one of those, haven't looked at it in years, it probably still has a copy of Yellow Dog Linux on it. All the upgrades that you installed on yours makes me want to get it out again.

@Keullo-eFIN Год назад

Well, you could do a similar processor upgrade with a Slot 1 motherboard (depending of a motherboard's CPU support) ;)

@Pasi123 Год назад

Some can even take a 1.4GHz Tualatin with a slotket

@WalnutSpice Год назад

10:53 ASS always comin' to the rescue when the first option lets ya down

@richardbrobeck2384 Год назад

I was just looking at that Bambu Lab X1 that looks very nice I use at work a Flash forge 3d printer and I been wanting one for my own home .

@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs Год назад

Sean that’s why I cannot find any upgrade cards you got them all LOL Great upgrades can’t Waite for part2

@RealGengarTV Год назад

Me; Well, i made it to your video, despite your directions Action retro: ah beloved viewer, welcome. I hope your prepared for an unforgettable Macintosh

@ScarlettStunningSpace Год назад

I've owned one of those SP SSD's before (I don't think it was the A55) and it died. Meanwhile, I have a similar PNY SSD that still works to this day. You were right not to trust the A55. Another great video as always!

@dennisrohm6372 Год назад

I worked at a service bureau in the lat 90's. They bought a maxed out 9600 with a large monitor. Cost around $20k

@scotthansen400 Год назад

I wonder if it is possible to swap out the teensy fans on the GPU and the CPU to make it quiet again. Looked like there was spare slot space, so you imght be able to 3D print a bracket that would hold an 80mm fan in the correct location.

@parliamentarian6598 Год назад

Those silicon power harddrives slap, ive got a bunch of them in raid 0 in my laptop. I also just helped my friend build a new pc and we stuck 4x 1tb silicon power gen4 nvme's in it and raid 0'd 3 of them as a games drive. Benchmarked it at around 14000mbps while we also had files transferring all over the place at the same time.

@wizardgaming736 Год назад

I love your videos

@minty_Joe Год назад

Sean, I think the OS9 partition has to be slightly under 8 GB. So, I'd do that, then set up another partition to continue for the remainder of OS9 related stuff, then OS X, etc.

@carltonleboss Год назад

Now it's a MAXintosh

@BigBadBench Год назад

That SSD got Toom Much Action!

@ran2wild370 Год назад

Ace ASS is ok. The next thing they put inside is ZHITAI... for certain markets.

@AnonymousFreakYT Год назад

Now I want a 3D printable drive bay cover for that slot-load DVD-ROM drive. (I have what I'm pretty sure is that same model in my tower beige Power Mac G3, sans drive bay cover.)

@delscoville Год назад

I had a 8000 series, that I had to carve the case a little to get a 9000 series mothboard in it with a G3 upgrade card. I ended up giving it back to the guy who gave it to me. But they helped me out when I needed it, so he deserved it. Oh, BTW, this was in 2003 so a G3 was still rather useful back then. I do have a Sonnet G4 1333 that fits in a PowerMac DA or Quicksilver just sitting on the shelf.

@ericwood3709 Год назад

I have a soft spot for the 604e, it being a chip I drooled over back in the day when I was stuck with the gimpiest of gimped CPUs, a 75 MHz 603 in a 6200-series Performa. I finally got my hands on one in the form of a Power Mac 7300. I would never upgrade it! It's kind of cool having a good period system anyway, something to run System 7.6.1 and software of the time that might not work so well on OS 9.x.

@iounios_italia Год назад

Amazing

@tractorman7733 Год назад

6:42- I think this was a classic case of distraction by collogue.. I wonder what conversation lead to that being written down lmao!

@chrissoclone Год назад

I bought 3 of those ass drives over the last couple of years, besides the name they work just fine and are always one of the cheapest options. The oldest must surely be 6 years old by now or so and in heavy use, so thumbs up from me for cheap upgrade options. Currently Intenso are often even cheaper, perfectly fine too.

@EweToobUsername Год назад

This takes me back to my 8500 with a flashed Radeon 9200 and one of those sonnet 3-in-1 cards on it. I did have better luck with Panther than Tiger though. Also, IIRC, the OSX installer is super picky with that slot an external drive controller (PATA, SATA, or SCSI) is in when you do a 9500 or 9600 because of how 6 slots work in those machines. It’s been a long time since I’ve done any of that myself though.

@HarryLoveTV Год назад

whoa!!

@dkhl02 11 месяцев назад

Bonita cachanga lo que me sorprende que exista aún repuestos incluso para repotenciar y en las PC obligando prácticamente ah comprar otra PC nueva

@alanharkleroad4376 Год назад

I have an SP SSD in my laptop, and it runs fine. My desktop has a Kingston.

@TheDustin151 Год назад

That shot of Meg made me laugh.

@stevencarlson5422 Год назад

Man I cant wait to see the performance of that thing with some power hungry games

@JohnSmith-xq1pz Год назад

MORE POWER!! It'd be interesting to see what he could do with a power Macintosh with a Dos compatible card in it. Totally not a hint 😉

@iceowl Год назад

do you mean an Intel-based computer on a card? it would do whatever the Intel CPU does. there is no DOS for PowerPC afaik.

@JohnSmith-xq1pz Год назад

@@iceowl yes those, Apple called them Dos compatible cards. And some power Macintosh had Dos compatible written on the front of them. LGR did a video on them. His was a 6100/66 I believe

@BrianJones-wk8cx Год назад

First rule of shenanigans-Always trust in A55.

@TeraByte38 Год назад

The a#s drive is A55

@Trylen Год назад

The Silicon Power drive is actually a good drive, I have an A55 512GB as the boot for my Server.

@parkybob22 18 дней назад

You have re-inspired me to get my 9600 up and running!!! I have been tinkering with it for the past few years, i do also have the g4/1ghz and also a 700mhz card for the 8600 i also have. How tough is it to flash a video card? Altho the games i would run do not require much video ram. I have a scsi2sd, and i see you use the bluescsi, is it much easier to use?I Still have not figured out how to correctly flash to the sd card and thought i could just copy files to a partitioned drive on the SD card.

@andre-le-bone-aparte 11 месяцев назад

@16:08 - Question: Could you have done this over firewire with a PCI Firewire Card for the install?

@ThomasMoneyhon Год назад

giving you a thumbs up for the A$$ drive!

@caprature Год назад

Will the beige faceplate fit the SuperDrive? From the drive tray.

@markaz2kk Год назад

“Shut up, Meg!” 😂

@pex2582 Год назад

I have the same SSD but 1T no problems with it or the PNY graphics card.

@charliesretrocomputing Год назад

10:52 I laughed SO hard 😂😂😂

@andre-le-bone-aparte 11 месяцев назад

@07:45 - Question: Do you have videos on 3d printing parts for macs? - I'm sure a tutorial could be a Patreon bonus or something...

@goqwertygo Год назад

How dare you leave us hanging like that😩

@ww21943 Год назад

Where do you order the ATX power supply kit?

@alextirrellRI Год назад

8:38 - I was all ready to freak out on you about the 8GB rule, but apparently it doesn't apply to PCI cards.

@ActionRetro Год назад

oh yeah haha, using the SATA card skirts right around that rule!

@jaimeduncan6167 Год назад

So basically a new computer on an old box 😂 super nice.

@pseudotasuki Год назад

If you end up using the SuperDrive, try swapping the drawer bezels.

@MinorLG Год назад

For the SSD it's a55

@JessicaFEREM Год назад

I like SP drives. They're the cheapest cached drives you can buy. And the cheapest SD card with large capacity worth buying. Nothing wrong with them but the packaging is bad lol

@joseluisarenasperez3855 Год назад

Great video ❤ can you share the link for the power supply cable mod thanks 😉🦾

@AnthonyChopra Год назад

this is why old tech like the MacPro5,1 i feel could get a modded Cpu upgrade to get to 2015 speks or even managing to make a mode to force it to use the 2020 intel chip im sure someone in prob 5 or 10 years could mke it happen. tho prob modding the pc case and building a normal pc inside will happen as macos leaves intel

@CattoRayTube Год назад

Wow, that's a cool ass-ssd (thanks xkcd)

@masakistanzo Год назад

do you enable trim with the ssds that you use when using them in vintage hardware? maybe it's not necessary on a machine that is used more as a curiosity than a production/main system? i have a sunflower imac g4 that i've been interested in putting an ssd in but was curious if you've been able to enable trim or seen issues without enabling it. thanks for the great content!

@Redmage913 Год назад

I’m going to guess that unless you plan to use it as a daily driver for years, using an SSD without TRIM will be fine. I’ve used a 60GB SSD somewhat regularly since 2011, with roughly half that time running without TRIM. It’s still working just fine, and I’ve installed operating systems on that drive dozens of times. I also don’t know if TRIM support is even possible in OS9 or Tiger. Then again, you can simply get the cheapest SSD possible and it’ll still be performant enough for the system, so you can consider the drive disposable if you plan on using it extremely often.

@bonaventura_AKA_ben 9 месяцев назад

Can this dual boot off the sata pci card idea work on a quicksilver g4 800 FireWire? Everymac tells me that this particular g4 can not boot OS 9, but has to rely on ‘classic mode’ running on OS X. Any info would be appreciated including links to your other vids and others you know of. The 1.5 g ram is hilarious btw

@morecrappysketches Год назад

It should also be noted that some of the madlads over at Macrumors have figured out how to get an Nvidia Geforce 6200 PCI working in old world ROM Macs. There are some ROMs available and other such goodies. No OS 9 support, of course, but it would definitely be faster than a Radeon 92x0. In theory thanks to the bottleneck of the PCI bus. But it supports Core Image!

@David-gr8rh Год назад

Try Halo for Mac. Love the videos dude

@JonRowlison 3 месяца назад

I saw another one of those Crescendo 1ghz G4 cards. Are they supposed to work on the 7200/7300/7500/7600 boxes so far as you know?

@BilisNegra Год назад

You need that Xfacto thing to run Tiger on a G4 (like this is with the upgrade CPU card)??? I thought it should run natively.

@95Comics Год назад

I would like to try to build the same computer at my house but are those upgrades available or is this something you’ve been looking for for years? I don’t want it if I can’t go faster than 300 MHz or 768K and I would want to have that video card as well! Looking for a project, if these upgrades are hard to find, what project do you recommend?