Building the Zed Text Editor (with Nathan Sobo) 

You're a great host, Kris, and I'm usually amazed by the guests you bring on. Thanks for the great content!

Kris, you are hands down, the best interviewer I’ve seen for programming related topics. Your questions and genuinely thoughtful and I love how much room you give the interviewee to answer the questions while you take it in. Wonderful stuff

That was a very interesting watch. Thanks, Chris & Nathan. Just decided to spend a day working with Zed.

About the closing html tags - some (closing) tags are implicit and optional. Handling that correctly would be extra nifty.

You are the first Host that asked real questions like DSA and Project Design! God Bless You!

This guy gives off the vibes of a funny drunk uncle at Christmas, who shakes your hand every five minutes. I love it.

I gave Zed a try several months ago and was impressed by the performance. It has become my go to editor for anything else, where I don't need special debugger features or tool chain support. My wish would be, make it the go to editor for Rust! Rust really needs a good editor with toolchain support and remote debugging. Here all the big players have issues or are very complex to handle. I know that because I use it all the time. But for the record, great work! Zed is outstanding and I love it!

Excellent content, thanks! Lots of technical and design choices in Zed that feel "right" to me, I'll definitely try it - fingers crossed for a huge success!

I like Rust and Zed is looking good. I keep it updated. But my impression is that it's evolving slowly, possibly because Rust is slow for iterative development where you have to keep rethinking and redesigning how stuff works. It's not at the point where I want to use it for doing my actual coding in yet.

Always a pleasure watching Kris' interviews.

Bro like, became a text editor 😂 Respect the dedication!

54:00 imagine a text editor getting a replay system before valorant does. that'd be funny

I work in a strongly regulated environment with heightened levels of security concerns, which has a tendency to be a little "isolationist," if you will. I've also said for a couple decades now that software development is a social endeavour, like any other creative acts have a strong social component. I absolutely loved the mentions here of the anthropological intersection. Concepts of subversion, of identity, of guile, of corruption, because of my work environment, are fascinating to me. On one hand, I think about orgs like ours being able to wrap the technology one day to leverage it within their isolated bubble, and on the other hand I think it would be so much more fascinating to think about how we might find ways to isolate and suppress those kinds of activities as a function of the technology itself. Is isolating a bad set of transformations from a hallucinating AI done asynchronously really any different functionally than an intentional set of malicious transformations by a subversive actor? At a lower level, what if these things were signed to ensure identity? So many fun questions. Great interview, really got my brain engaged. Thanks Kris for the continued thoughtful way you engage in these interviews, and the guests you bring in with so many damn cool ideas :)

Nice to hear rope become more and more well known. I recall an ICFP contest where the challenge problem needed to be done using rope or it was nearly impossible, but easy with rope. Rope wasn't well known enough and some folks complained at the gotcha.

Looking forward to this making it to Windows and trying it out

I think for the "ambient awareness" social stuff they should maybe take some ideas from discord. I would sometimes have friends stream their work but actually have mic+headset muted (which is visible as an icon) - so you could join and look at what they do but they wouldn't get disturbed by you. Also different channels for different things, also both sides streaming at the same time. etc.

great interview! chapters would be super helpful.

fantastic podcast by the way!

Great talk.

Great as always Kris! I miss the theme fade in at the intro and outro

Sounds like they are using a take on a HAMT. Very cool!

Consider to make the same with helix editor creator. I ended up using helix for everyday work. Its great

Do you need GIT if you have the entire edit history in the file? Can it grow beyond a file to a project? Is this the future?

If possible, would love to have someone from the warp terminal project on the show!

Does it support Remote Development using SSH? Can it connect to linux box? Many people use VSCode to develop on Linux from MacBook Pro.

I really see no issues with vs code.. a new x code though.. that would be cool!

once they get a proper vim integration (directly connected like the neovim extension for vscode) and Linux support, I might switch from neovim. also just better keybinding support with keychords and stuff.

Everyone is too busy with building a nice cozy caravan while these guys are going straight for the Ferrari

using Neovide and I"m quite happy with it.

sure, but there is just no way this beats nvim + tmux for me. like it's not in the ballpark.

Another vscode that’s maybe faster probably won’t win the war. Boy it would be a lot of fun to work on though!

seems like zed still doesn’t have basic ide functionality such as drill down to function/class body in c++. It is yet another editor with just syntax highlighting

Need a windows release hopefully not too far in the future.

This guy is good vibes

Zed sounds interesting, but I'm not buying a Mac to use it.

Alright, I'll give Zed a try.

TIL Zed is the opposite of everything i look for in an editor -- no git or plugins + live collab + LLMs? What is this - an editor for Gen Z?

Thanks for that very interesting discussion & insight in the Zed development. Sadly, it is so disrespectful that the guest is regularly muted away...

I liked Atom, but left it for Sublime Text

10:52

By assuming windows doesn’t exist?

What the actual f, when the guy was talking about segment trees/fold maps I did not understand literally anything. Judging by the reaction of the host, I don't think he understood much either. At around 13:20. Lots of hand gestures, trapezoids, ropes, CRDT's -- I guess the guest expects all viewers to be writing high performance text editors on their spare time, but I doubt it's the case..

Them implementing AI stuff before a lot of other features just doesn't sit well with me. I think this is more like a jetbrains ide or maybe i think jetbrains fleet. But this is definitely not an editor that will become the top editor instead of vscode or even neovim.

the reality is who is zed for? people who have taken up vim/neovim for its configuration, speed, and simplicity zed will just never be able to compete. Maybe some of the vscode crowd or people looking for something in between vscode/vim? Even then i believe the reason a lot of people continue to use vs code is due to its integrations and ecosystem. Which means it would be a long long long time before zed gets there.

First, nice

You guys are really smart. A lot smarter than i am. I'm barley keeping up. I love it.

i don't get it. there's plenty of good fast editors. what's wrong with sublime text for example? its lightweight and instant and has lots of useful plugins

Did Microsoft buy GitHub solely to give atom the axe? Lmao

zed is a little too late

Programming, like writing or maths, is not real-time collaborative.

Hard disagree on the rust part. Its not going to perform as well as it should, and its going to be a nightmare to maintain and extend in the long term. Zed will fade into obscurity

so tired of the mac-peepl doing the mac-peepl thing.

Zed is the stupidest freaking thing I've ever seen. I don't need a text editor to be fast to be good at coding, what I need is good refactoring tools, discovery, and navigation. Not how fast I can fucking type.

frustrating the number of “… anyway.” … in the middle of sentences.