Building wheels with BERD SPOKES. NEW Berd TALON HUB released! 

Daw! What a lovely thing to hear :-).

You should for sure! More vids to come in the future so keep an eye out; thanks for your support!

Thanks a lot!

Thanks Julia! I'm looking forward to trying them or similar from Onyx Racing Products in the future; that'll speed things up for sure!

Thanks! 👍! Appreciate it :-). I guess carbon rims are woven in their own way...!

It'd have to be the right material but I'm sure some sort of 3d printed parts could be the one here...not sure how in demand such a thing would be and for a company like @berdspokes to do it would likely have legal implications...a small scale private individual though? Maybe!

That's right! He rode Berd spokes to victory recently!

Thanks Dave! Appreciated :-). Have you seen or experience the above? One of my customers did snag a spoke and had it break but it certainly wasn't catastrophic; no worse than a normal steel spoked wheel in this case. Would love to hear others experience.

I sure will! Anything specific you want to see?!

Glad you liked it!

Not that I know of I'm afraid but that's not to say that something commercially available wouldn't work!

I mean what’s NOT to like about £800 worth of cake?!? 😂. Whilst I love tech like this and get lusty after it myself too at times I 100% get and understand where you’re coming from 👍🏻. In fact right now I am building up a new commuting bike to fall back in love with getting around my city on two wheels: secondhand frame, scrappy reused parts, simple 1x drop bars setup: it’s gonna be great and I’m more excited to ride that right now than I am the full custom handbuilt carbon hopper Audax wunderbike that’s hanging on the wall! Think I’d best ride it to go get some cake 🎂!!!!

@@RyanBuildsWheels whilst I stand by the food/drink and joy of cycling comments I may have OD’d on GCN prior to posting my comment! The BERD spokes are a really interesting concept - it’ll be really interesting to know how the wheels ride, now and after prolonged use. It also gives you an opportunity to showcase your artisanal skills, which are both interesting and impressive 👏👍

Take a look at the calculation video (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F5gV2s-dvn8.html) on how to calculate spoke length; the reason I suggest this is because I reccomend The Spoke Length Project by @RogerMusson which also tells you stuff like rim entry angle and spoke head clearance. In short though the easiest advice to give is that for any given non radial build you are trying to get as large a tangent angle from radical when the hub exits the spoke. This means that the general rule of thumb is to get more crosses in there to better deal with / transmit toque. I'll deal with this in a future in depth video but remember: **MORE CROSSES DOES NOT -neccesarily - EQUAL A STRONGER WHEEL!** That's a common pitfall; your job is to increase spoke fatigue...and really we need to discuss what we mean by wheel 'strength' to start with. Check out Rogers calculator; try getting as many crosses as you into a given build without either rim entry angle getting too high (will snap spokes at the nipple end, common on larger flange builds like motors, gear hubs etc...), or with spokes rubbing at the head. TLDR: if you can build this wheel 3x if you can.

@RyanBuildsWheels, thank you for the detailed response. I know it doesn't mean stronger, but I still get caught up with that mental trap occasionally. I'll take a dive into your suggestion and I look forward to your video on the subject.

To the best of my knowledge, no…I can’t see any reason why this would be the case as a standard spoke would still sit in those spoke holes just fine BUT I can’t confirm this and will need to reach out. Hey: @Berdspokes ! Can you comment?

​@@RyanBuildsWheels Did Berd come back with a definitive answer pertaining to swapping back to regular spokes at a later date ?

Any link or supporting evidence for that? November did some tests and published their date a while ago as regards butted vs bladed spoke aerodynamics and for the average rider the savings aren't that big: novemberbicycles.com/blogs/blog/aerodynamic-drag-of-lasers-vs-cx-rays The middle portion of a Berd spokes is 1.8mm; so not as thick as you may think: the end portions DO go up to 3.0mm however. I'm not going to argue that spokes this thick will be less aero, and therefore make a lot less sense for those riding road (where an aerodynamic advantage is almost always preferable to any weight savings) but 7-12w is not my understanding of the sort of difference you'll see between spoke thicknesses. For offroad, gravel, mtb or simply those that want a super light set of wheels (at a price) then I dig 'em.

I haven't used Spinergy but would welcome anyone else's comments.

The Berd hubs use a ratchet system similar to DT Swiss so they're a different design to the Onyx internals. The method of attaching the Berd spokes is the same across both Talon and Onyx hubs. Funnily enough I'm building a pair of Straightpull DT 180's on Berd Spokes as I type! Will feed back I'm sure.

​@@RyanBuildsWheels how did the DT straight pull turn out? I'm loving the idea of the BERD spokes and more than happy with more faff during the build. What does bother me is the refinishing of the hub flange that's needed. Do the straight pulls need additional fettling?

It get's easier ;-)

Not a problem I or anyone else selling / running Berd have enountered as of yet; and Berd have sold many thousands of them + many many wheelsets; the material has been around for quite some time; it's the application that's new, now the construction :-).

Absolutely not ;-)

@@RyanBuildsWheels I’m looking at parts now LOL

Get in touch if you need any advice Pete!

@@RyanBuildsWheels looking at some old school retro stuff. Just found my Yellow Hope Bug Uns from 1998. NOS

Here you go! www.ryanbuildswheels.co.uk/building-wheels-with-berd-polylight-spokes-and-the-new-berd-talon-hubs/

Who said my aim was to get rich ;-) (though I do make sure that I value my own time and expertise well). In all fairness though; these are £8 a spoke...and my labour prices increase significantly for such a build, because they need to. The three days things looks more like: -1: Prep hubs, lace / assemble wheel, bring to initial full tension and light true -2: Add further tension after initial tension drop, hang back up. (this takes but minutes) -3: Add final round of tension, bring wheel to final tolerances of tension balance and true. (-4: RIDE RIDE RIDE!)

Cool story bro.

Because I'm a professional wheelBUILDER and building them means people can have any combination of high end components they want? You know, custom spec'd to someones desires and riding style. It's not that hard to understand.