BULLETPROOFING A CP4 FUEL PUMP?! 

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@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE you are most welcome.

Thank you sir we appreciate it !

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Hey sir if you call the shop ( 870-236-4900) we can help with that info . Having a hard time keeping up with the comments on here lol which is a good thing . Speak to BJ

but Airdog only removes about 48% of water, verified through independent testing, while the FASS removes upwards of 99%....I think ill stick with FASS.

@@CliftonMurphyjr do you have a link to the independent testing results?

Swap it Sir! It’s insurance for the future !

Thank you for the feedback sir ! Positive input !

I'll add another tip, when changing fuel filter(s) do not skip the step to force the liftpump to run purging air from the newly installed filter(s). Even a momentary loss of fuel feed can initiate damage to the CP4. The CP3, obviously, is more tolerant of momentary loss of fuel and I believe that a number of CP4 failures are due to owners or service personnel not being familiar with the fragility of the CP4.

@@walterk1221 Absolutely. Beyond a shadow of doubt. 🎯

@@walterk1221Yeah and the CP3 doesn’t contaminate the entire fuel system when it grenades

Yes sir 2015 was the first year for the Cp4.2 and absolutely anything or kit that can better filter the fuel I’m a go for! The biggest thing to remember is when your filters are being change make for sure the pump has been cycled up to 10 times to make sure the air is out of the system!

Thank you sir for the feedback !

Anything is possible sir , it’s all high performance modification so if traveling in those conditions then factory parts would be advised and thank you !!

I would go ahead and jump a kit ! Main reason would be because of the immediate fuel it receives from the kit , separating the fuel flow!

Shall see it!!

Sir to our knowledge for a Ford 6.7 Powerstroke they do not make a Cp3 conversion can you share some information on this please and thank you.

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE Checked with our mechanic and you are absolutely correct he did the CP4.2 with a disaster kit. Sorry for that misinformation. I have CP# on tha brain cuz we were in the middle of doing a dual fueler kit on my toy LB7. The CP4.2 came on the 2015 and later trucks and we only had problems with the 13-14's Whats left of the 15-16 fleet is between 250K and 350K miles, other problems were the charge air coolers, DPF meltdowns due to too much injector cleaner w/ CP4 lube, ac blower motors, and random radiator leaks at the cores. Once deleted we had no problems.

@@jasonhansen6632 No problem sir what so ever ! Thank you again for the response we all appreciate it !

Thank you sir for the reply !!! That’s what kind of feedback we want to share with other thank you !

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nG1knMt0kR8.html Hey in this video me explain the 21s ! And we prefer a fass over airdog sir either is a great choice !

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE Thanks brother going to look at S&S now

@@dm5000 Anytime sir !

Yes sir from 2011 up !

Personally it’s a roll of the dice ! We do not count on cp4 failure to keep us in business or bank on it by any means . Yes they fail. If it’s a keeper do a cp3 swap ! We can quote you one out or honestly throw a Fass fuel system on it and call it a day we have them on the site just depends on your ultimate goal sir !

11-14 We noticed unplugged it would not come on 15 + when in plugged they came on. The truck then goes into limp mode.

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE that’s because 2011 through 2014 was looking for a closed connection not just open with more resistance due to water.

Anything that will increase the sulfur contents will help “ sulfur is a lubricant “ !

First mod sir would be a Fass or Air Dog low pressure system 2’nd mod Cp3 swap!

Hope you didn't buy an LML, I think they are junk. Ours has had fuel issues constantly and now appears it is going to have to get a CP3 installed to remedy the issues. Still haven't found the air leak that is in the fuel system. Just be cautious. Ours only has 155,000 miles.

@@chaplainlee do you have a low pressure fuel pump and sump kit ? do you run additives ?

You contact your insurance company ? It can be covered !

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE Monday we will try this, fingers crossed

@@brewmat “ When your in a hurry it can happen , seen it before gas gets accidentally put in instead of diesel. Just give them a call and let them know what took place 🤙

Yes sir you can !!

Everything oem is back plugged up and working.

Did they place top billet face plate in the correct direction and other than that sir honestly I’m lost . There has to be a restriction in possibly the install . By all means I’m not say they didn’t something wrong but something is up. Monday your welcome to call the office ask for Tyson , I’ll go over a few things and see how we can help! Thank you

2 years later i finally see your reply 😂. Sorry bout that been binge watching your videos last few days. Best RU-vid channel out right now. I need to bring y’all my 2016 F250. I done sold my 2019 😂

Hey sir it is a CP4.2! Duramax from 11-16 are the CP4.2!

What year is yours sir ?

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE its a all stock 2020, im on the fence between a emissions friendly tune and waiting for a little turbo upgrade and pumper or just go the full monte.

@@htownsfinest87 I would 100% agree with anyone on emission friendly tuning ( Calibrated Power Solutions ) offers solid support ! We are high performance so you know where we fail on the fence . 2ndly on the fuel system. The Factory system works extremely well if it’s my truck it would be a Fass and S&S system more so of the pump is getting a cleaner “less air “ and a straight shot of fuel from the bypass. I really don’t sell them on it prevents I sell them on it delivers fuel to the pistons and cam at the same time . So we see a little power gain out of it. Hopefully this helped some !

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE yes thats who i am going to go with, black friday pricing is to thank for that, hoping they come out with a stealth kit soon or go with another drop in, guess my final question is what would you, if you can about what a 20+ powerstroke could make power wise with emissions on tuning, more air and fuel. From what I've read the beefed up trans and motor could handle quite a bit. Watched your 600 whp cummins video and i guess im in the same mind set of full send and see what it can take.

@@htownsfinest87 Amen sir anything we can do to help just holler !!!

On the old or new install?

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE on the new system

@@paranoid1123 pressure line from the fass went to the factory pump that contains a filter then went to the upper filter sir .

Always !

With a healthy system or with a failed one sir ?! Thank you again !!!

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE With a failed system.

This still doesn’t seem like a “bullet proof” system! Your cleaning and filtering everything going to the pump 4 times yet the pump still has every chance of failing due to the fact its still a cp4 modified cp4.2 pump. It could still fail and take everything out once again! Wouldn’t it be best to dump the Cp4.2 and put in a cp3 conversion to make it “bulletproof”! I’m not a mechanic just observing cause I’m trying to fix the same shit I got on my truck right now. Help us all understand wtf Ford Chevy and Dodge would still use this shit on anything up and coming. I do like the cleanliness of your install but I’m looking for a system that truly would be fail safe as we all know there’s no such thing as “ bulletproof”.

@@madsnag97 You are correct but they don’t make a Cp3 swap unfortunately. So until a couple things one a Cp4 does not have guides for the roller lifters , second they have roller lifters a solid tapper would be more robust. Filtering is one thing we stress but removing the air with 2 pumps does it’s part in helping the Cp4 stay alive by not having air aided fuel that can cause a lifter you spin or Turn in the bore also lack of lubrication continuous ! EPA / emission is the reason for the Cp4 or any new pump because the higher injection pressure means cleaner burn. 29k or 30k Or pressure makes a much cleaner burn then 25k ! Hope this helps some sir !

@@bossone3801 Just over 10k sir !

It’s the new one sir on the 15 to current they use the Cp4.2

Cp4 is stock. If you still have the sellers number call and ask them if the pump, injectors and fuel rails were replaced. Im sure if they were the seller would of mentioned it

This guy said, "the new ones use the CP4.2". Fucks sake. All CP4s on Powerstrokes are CP4.2s. The .2 designates the 2 piston design of the pump - which they all are. Now, they did produce a symmetrical and an asymmetrical version of the 4.2. Blaring sign to not take your truck to this shithole.

Personally we do not only because of this “if it fails and there is metal in the system we replace it on to make sure it’s gonna leave the shop and stay up and running .”

Ok make sense thanks 🙏

Check out spe’s new disaster prevention kit. No lines need to be cut and filters the return back to the tank

If a plunger and barrel breaks/fails there is no kit that prevents the metal from entering the system, ask me how I know.

What are you even talking about?

@@HuntsT Nice name dawg. 👍🏽

@@oinchadoomandwolfboy thanks

That is part of it but the cam in the Cp4 eats into the lifter causing metal on metal contact !

Personally air dog or Fass should be the first mod on any LML because they do not have a in tank low pressure fuel pump sir !

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE okay so I have a Fass 165 on there now. I left my stock fuel filter in place and I have the DPF crap gone. I replaced the injectors at about 120k miles i had one go bad so i changed them all out. I now have 180k miles on the truck. Whats my next step you think? CP3 conversion?

@@redge8279 CP3 swap without a doubt sir would be the next step !!!

Personally sir we have never tired. I know they will start but we’ve not done long term testing . In theory you shouldn’t have a issue the pump is more capable and will deliver more volume.

On the Ford 6.7 ,6.6 LML and 6.7 cummins cp4 and cp4.2 are all dual piston pumps sir. I’ve personally never heard of the cp4.1 just cp4 . I’ve only worked on the light duty diesel so anything is possible!

Have you noticed any rust in the lower filter sir ?

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE not that I have seen

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Robert in the link below we talk about the why sir!

There's a recall to replace the CP4.x in 2019 and 2020 Ram pickups with a CP3. The remedy is stated to be available "... first quarter of 2022..."

To our knowledge the Cp4.2 was never used on the LML just a Cp4 sir. I could be wrong.

You very possibly could come out sir better ! It’s not a bad job to change just the pump !

Sir in your location off hand I apologize I do not have a shop to recommend. We are in Jonesboro AR.

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE again thank you i do travel your way next time im up there iwill look for you

@@carlosnevarez6777 Thank you sir!

If it’s offroad / Baja / Farm rig we do a sump from the top. This was a street only truck .

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE The top? I thought sumps were at lowest point...water detection? Why top?

If it’s offroad , then the top is the only option.

Thanks for watching !

So great question and this truck did have a disaster, we left it out of the video because of potential conflict. Here is the insight , this truck did not “blow up the Cp4” there was metal “some” in the VCV and some in the tank as there should be. We did take apart the pump I wanted to see the internals. The lifters , plungers and cam were not damaged by visual appearance. So my opinion is this say the pump is good , fuel pressure is regulated by the FPR if metal got to then the bypass failed. Again this is possibilities , another “ if “ is if metal reached the fuel injector and the Pintle reached metal during on time it would cause low or no rail pressure. So the kit would have failed. These again are possible cases and a customer would have to send everything in to get tested to know EXACTLY where metal reach . I have never and will never install one of these kits . It’s just a opinion sir.

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE What do you have against the Disaster prevention kit. I have SPE kit on order.

@@markparker4032 Nothing at all sir , their kit is very nice we’ve not installed one yet!

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE That is good to hear. The last thing I want to do is spend $400 and a lot of work to mess something up. I value your opinion.

@@markparker4032 Hey totally understand I’ve looked into their product and by all means it’s a top notch product! The design behind it is geared into the direction of “if failed” It could/can save a ton of money!

Keep the filter changed every 5 to 6 k only use Ford oem , keep the fuel from getting below a 1/8 of a tank , proper fuel priming on filter change !

You can do a CP3 conversion !

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE I think I'll wait tell the warranty is up for that. What I was wanting was a bypass filter or something to keep it from destroying the fuel system if something does go wrong.

366 , stock injectors and a Stroker cp4.2 sir

Thank you

Can you send me links to cp4.2 you recommend.

@@ishmelly210 RCD.Perf.com ! Or 870-236-4900 we can quote one for you sir !

If your system is a total loss over 10k sir.

60 to 80 k best I can recall !

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@@Dieselnm101 So great question and this truck did have a disaster, we left it out of the video because of potential conflict. Here is the insight , this truck did not “blow up the Cp4” there was metal “some” in the VCV and some in the tank as there should be. We did take apart the pump I wanted to see the internals. The lifters , plungers and cam were not damaged by visual appearance. So my opinion is this say the pump is good , fuel pressure is regulated by the FPR if metal got to then the bypass failed. Again this is possibilities , another “ if “ is if metal reached the fuel injector and the Pintle reached metal during on time it would cause low or no rail pressure. So the kit would have failed. These again are possible cases and a customer would have to send everything in to get tested to know EXACTLY where metal reach . I have never and will never install one of these kits . It’s just a opinion sir.

What would you have installed then sir? We’ve never had a single failure in over 10 years of doing this installation . If the system fails we aren’t saving anything. It all has to be replaced. Cp4 usually fail because of (Air) , (Gas ) , (water) or trash entering the system.

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE A lot of people have said that their fuel was perfectly fine but the manufacturer claims a fuel problem so they don't have to cover the cost of repairs. There are two types of kit I am aware of to save the fuel rail and injectors should the pump fail. One is a fuel metering valve with a greatly improved filter on it, made by Exergy for $240. The other is a fuel reroute kit that sends all fuel that went through the pump that could be contaminated with shrapnel back to the the tank and only uncontaminated fuel to the rail and injectors, this is the "Disaster prevention kit" others have asked about below, they are about $350. Both are pretty easy installs.

@@brantrichardson1949 So here is my 2 cents... we do everything pre Cp4 to prevent the failure not at the pump (because again when it fails it fails entirely). I’ll put it to you as we would a client “if you have the disaster kit install” and it works correctly and send everything back to the tank (are you ok with me fixing everything in the low pressure side and pay for it only to find out you now owe me again for a entire fuel system because your truck upon the start up failed because the metal did actually make it in the injectors , rails and return lines. This is only my opinion but it has have happened to me. When it fails it all gets replaced we try to take ever measure Pre Cp4 to keep it alive .

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE I would advocate for a filter in the return line to the tank as well to save all those repairs, I thought that was part of the set up in your video actually. In the event of catastrophic failure the only thing that needs to be replaced is the fuel pump and filters. With a modification to save the high pressure side and another to save the lower pressure side, yes I would rather take a chance on paying you to fix it twice rather than the enormous cost of replacing the entire fuel system straight away. That would be my idea of bulletproofing a system using a CP4 pump, not really bullet proofing the pump itself but stopping all the collateral damage.

@@brantrichardson1949 if you ever get a chance to experiment with that more power to you but with adding filters in the return lines doesn’t work for the pumps they don’t like resistance. But again We appreciate and respect your opinion thank you for the feedback sir.

Correct !

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE so the cp4.2 pump doesn't have the self destruction issues?

@@rvadventures It is less likely to sir but still can !

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE I just sold my 2019 and 2015 and bought a 2016 f350 and I'm thinking about installing a preventative system like this as I'm going to be traveling for the next 3 years. Which one makes more sense and about how much will it cost with install

@@rvadventures If you want us to send a estimate sir , shoot us a email we will get one over ! Sales@pointblankperformance.com

Sir, we always replace the tank . Plastic has pores , metal sticks in the pores and in turn gets back to a injector and can stick a injector open causing a potential run away. This truck was lifted 8” with 37s any time a client wants added power we do a sump . But if a client asked we can do a top mount “draw straw”. Running the 1/2 fuel lines from the top if not installed correctly will and can pinch between the frame and tank causing a premature hose failure . Thank you

Over 10k sir

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE. Thank you for your response, and you say the 15 & 16 have a better piece?

@@blakman41 Yes sir they have a Cp4.2 which has been a better pump over the Cp4 version sir.

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE. Thank you for your response, you have great content. Learning a lot!

@@blakman41 thank you sir many more to come, we have some construction going on at the moment once that is finished we will be back on track.

Over 100k sir !

Sir you may want to Google what you just stated , all 11-14 came with a Cp4 and all 15 plus came with a Cp4.2. Both have 2 pistons. They are not the same exact thing. The sensor is plugged in.

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE I did "research it". Why don't you provide us all a link that says 2011-2014 have a CP4 and that the 2015-present has a CP4.2. Many people use CP4 as a generic term but like I said in my previous comment CP4 is just a family of pumps. CP4.1 comes on small diesel engines and has 1 piston. CP4.2 has come on Duramax 2011 to 2016, Powerstrokes since 2011 and Dodge since 2019. They may have made some minor improvements to make it flow slightly more by that doesn't change the type of injection pump, it is still and always has been a CP4.2. Just like you can have a 10mm or 14mm CP3. Both are CP3s but they are just Stroked offer different flow rates. www.trucktrend.com/how-to/engine/what-is-cp4-failure/ www.drivingline.com/articles/new-product-spotlight-ss-diesel-motorsport-s-cp42-bypass-kit/

@@HuntsT Sir until you can get your facts straight there isn’t much to discuss. We don’t do links we do facts.

@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE lol. Thats what I thought. You can't prove it. So better off denying your ignorance as facts. Good luck with your business. I wish you guys the best. Hopefully you did some more research due to this discussion and speak a little more correctly next time you talk about a CP4.

@@HuntsT I just simply asked for you to review your statement. Again disrespect won’t get you far on here. If you need a full breakdown of a Cp4 of this topic then we have no problem doing so.

Over 100k sir

They do not make one..

Seriously! Everyone’s idea of security is to spend $1k on a pump that will by no means guarantee failure, I’m just putting in a CP3 and be done.

Just another disrespectful hater , sir if you don’t like our content remove yourself or better yet you’ll be blocked. I sure hope you can go troll somewhere else.

Frank...you need to go get a big Ole cup of STFU ...I'll buy it.

@@scubababy28 yup, pointing out the truth is never popular.