Burk Parsons: Is Calvinism Good for the Church? 

More like We don't admit our own nature and how totally attracted to sin we are

@𝕾𝖆𝖎𝖓𝖙 𝕵𝖆𝖒𝖊𝖘 Are sure that you are called and elect? I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

What about if you have 6 kids? How will God pick and not pick them for salvation?

If you have kids how will God pick 1 or 2. The odds are probably higher not to pick any. Thats a big issue with only God picks who is saved. The whole belief is centered in that for salvation but no one can explain how God picks people. I hang with some calvinists and even have done street evangelism with them and i never heard him once preach the gospel as has God picked you or hope God picks you.

@@saintbeloved1011 Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

@@robertcoupe6514 i thought its nothing we can do? That doesnt pair with calvinists

You must come to the Cross for Salvation. You are not predestined for Salvation you must come in child like submission

In “awe” of sinful man…? Oh no…the catholics and mormons are…let’s not

@@jamesstumpff7774 no they believe in mans righteousness like you space cadet

@@uncasunga1800 sounds like messages got crossed…man has NO personal righteousness…nor can he produce it…that’s why 8 billion wretched humans really NEED Jesus..the Only Savior of the World. Space cadet sounds like an insult..If I am insulted sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then I rejoice…if you meant the insult to an unbeliever…careful…Jesus loves and died for those lost souls…just like us

@Reformed Hillbillies imagine we thanked Mary for our salvation? Imagine we thanked “Mother Earth” for the beautiful sunrise at Hilton Head?

@Reformed Hillbillies “I am in awe”…very scary words! What’s wrong with our awe of wretched humans? Well for one it completely misses the most important fact about the person we are in awe of…they are not Awesome…they’re just like that wretched tax collector on the floor of the synagogue…they just have nicer cloths and nicer presentations. Thanking the people around us is extremely visible in Christ’s GRATEFUL FOLLOWERS…I’m a VERY good tipper…very thankful

AMEN and AMEN!!!

Same.. I was a Calvinist before I knew what Calvinism was

Amazing how they twist the scripture out of context base on there own precocieve idea, there own carnal thinking, there own theology, there own philosopy, or there own tradition, they paraphrase the Word of God even the Prophets, and the Apostles of Christ does not meant that way. Amazing how they can make there own parable, and proverb. They crept in unnotice in the Church of God with flattering word of men. They establish there own righteousness, and have not submitted unto the righteousness of God. They have study the scripture, but not able to acknowledges the truth. They have not known if they forsaken by the Holy Spirit of God. God will use the unwise to shame the wise. We would not crucified the Lord of glory if we have known the trurh. They called Me Lord, lord, but you hypocrite you who practice lawless, away from Me I never knew you. If no one will depend the truth many will believe a lie, No wonder even Satan can pretend an angel of the Lord who is the Father of lies. The bible was not written the Prophets, and of the Apostles of Christ to be misunderstood. Our faith is base on the wisdom of God, not of men. No men is righteouss, or wiser than the creator. You cannot go beyond what was written by the Apostles of Christ, or you will be found a lier. Ther are many ministry of a lier, which of Satan, and make the house of God a form of merchandise. Fear God and obey His commandment these is the duty of all His creation. The grace of God teaches us to be holy as I Am Holy. You cannot add or subtract what was written in the book of life. God do not please men. Many are called, but only few are chosen. He read so many passages of the scripture out of ignorance of the truth. Mystery was revealed at the cross. Amazing how many is he goung to distroy on judgesment day, and they are accountable for greater condemnation. Love God with all your heart, and mind with fear, and trembling. Dont be deceive by many false reckless preachers, the are blind guide. There is only one Church called by His name, the Church of God. We are the churches of God. The word of God lives in knew, unless the Spirit of God has forsaken you. These guy is a smooth talker, it's a sale talk. If you are seeking the truth, and you end up to this, you are like a sitting duck. A blind leads the blind, and both fall into a ditch. The apistles of Christ preach the gospek freely without pay, they are pedling the Word of God. If anyone preach to you a different gospel that you have not recieve from the preaching of the Apostles of Christ, let him be A curse. They travel land and sea ro convert many into procelite, after you were converted, they make you twice more evil than before. Like Jesus said its better for judas not to be born, they betrayed His master for the love of money with 30 pieces of silver. Many will betray Him for there own gain. Can you sell the word of God. When you are preaching the Word of God, who is preaching, is it you, or Christ. What do you have that you have not recieve from the bible. Our faith without works is dead, or the body without the Spirit is dead. These people are not decipline by any writting, or any ideology of the scripture, what ever they think in there carnal mind that's what they believe, and are influence by there own doctrine. The light has come, but they rather love darkness. They make good evil, and evil good. Many are called, but few are chosen. There are so many fabricated doctrine. It's easy to spot these reckless preachers. Many are loving it, and many will come to decieve many, and they are multiplying. We only have one Pastor, High Priest, Teacher, Master, Prophet, Apostle sitting at the right hand of the Father who will make His enemy His footstool. Judgesment they will come upon us when the time His going to send His beloved Son. I hope you are enlightened of the truth. God wants to save all His creation, we are all one sheep with one Pastor, He gave His life for His sheep, and to distroy the works of Satan who is the deciever of these word, repent and be baptise with warer, or be born again, and recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For you to become a christian fallowers of Christ. Being a christian you should know He is our Pastor, and we are all his sheep. We are called brother and sister of the Son of God, and we are adopted Son of God by creation. These is only portion of the scripture that I am sharing to you. I do not preach of My own, but Christ is in me. Im just a reader of the good news. may God Bless us all.

If we follow what Paul says in all his letters we will understand Grace as we are ment to. Paul received his gospel from Christ in his stay in Arabia for 3 years and he was the apostle to all of us on This side of the cross, Jesus Christ and Him crucified, Death Burial resurrection Faith in Him alone and the seeking of the forgiveness He gave us is sufficient for salvation. Read all that Paul has written and be at peace with your salvation from Jesus ultimate sacrifice.

@@phyllisstevens3116 Paul’s letters are full of reformed theology and the sovereignty of God.

@@dfischer5878 very true Amen, I do not need Calvin

I love His sovereignty.

Sure, if you like a God who exhaustively, inescapably, and unbiblically determines every evil deed anyone ever did, and then holds them accountable for the thoughts, feelings and actions they had no agency in whatsoever. I mean.. What could possibly be incoherent about a God of love who throws people away to eternal contempt for the things that they were compelled to do.

@@WillEhrendreich you have an erroneous definition of what reformed people hold to. We all are born into sin and all then sin on our own, our will is bent toward our sinful nature. God in no way causes us to sin. We sin and are redo for such sin. God saves some by His own accord and simply passes over some. There will be no one in heaven who was drug there and no one in hell who wants to be with Christ.

@@WillEhrendreich That's a strawman if I've ever seen one. Not at all what Reformed theology teaches and not at all what we believe.

@@ar15ona18 @Donna Fischer Dr Piper and Dr white both affirm exhaustive Devine determinism. Are they not reformed?

You make an excellent point. I'm still searching out exactly where I should fall on Calvinism. The smugness and self-righteousness that I hear from a group who say that theirs is the most humble position is a bit of a deterent to me.

@@dylanunruh4942 Try to study theology objectively. Compare the statements of Calvinism/Arminianism/whatever against the truth of scripture. Try not to condemn the things of God because of the shortcomings and failings of men. That’s what leads people to say things like, “I’m not going to church because it’s full of hypocrites”. Ultimately you’ll only hurt yourself and your own sanctification. Which is exactly what satan wants.

​@@dylanunruh4942 study the teachings of the Church Fathers and Martyrs who received the Truth from the Apostles. A good place to start is On the Incarnation by Saint Athanasius. You will find that the early Church does NOT teach Calvinism. God bless you on your journey ☦️

Amen Kevin, Amen!

Kevin if God chose you elected you predestined you, why do you need Jesus Please explain? Thank you In Christ, John

@@susanshipley3224 Because Jesus Christ fulfilled all righteousness and died on the cross for our sins so we can be forgiven and be in right relationship with God. Jesus Christ took the punishment for us. He has risen from death to life so we too can have victory over death. We believe in the One who God sent to save us. We grow spiritually in conformity to Jesus Christ, becoming Christ like through the power and the sanctification of the Holy Spirit. , for the good pleasure of God's will and in praise of the glory of God's grace.

@@kevingreaux7133 then you are telling me that you chose to believe and call upon the name of the Lord.

@@kevingreaux7133 you exercised your freewill right kevin ?

Very false and dangerous doctrine.

Amen! Glad to hear!

Same here. God led me to Roman's 9 which contains the trinity and God's saving grace. I threw the word calvinism out in a conversation only because I remembered those teachings from years earlier in a church that I went to. I truly had to come home and look it up. Because I didn't really know what I was talking about. But once I uttered that word I became unacceptable. Oh, thank you, Jesus for saving me. I am not worthy. No man is worthy except through Jesus Christ who covers our sin and gives us undeserved entrance into his Kingdom. When I came to the Ligonier channel I only thirsted for the gospel. I did not know I was listening to a calvinist channel. I believe in predestination because the day I opened that book to Roman's 9, that's what it said. 😃

​@@theliberatedplanet, It is not only in Romans 9, there are more verses that reveal election and predestination...

Amen!

Calvinism is false and a man made doctrine.

I think Calvinism differs from Christianity in a harmful way. We seek the truth in its place.

@@suaptoest Yes, Calvinism is not the truth.

Reformed theology is biblical theology. It gives all the glory to God and God alone. None to creation.

THANK YOU!!! 💥💥💥💥 Vert well-said.

.... Calvin is not our focus. But you do understand that it's highlighting a group of scripture that points us to the true way of Salvation. Otherwise we have Soo many false converts. People who make a mere confession and believe they are Eternally Saved. I was deceived by the Wicked sinners prayer. Then when God called me...and l was Born again...l encountered Soo many groups that absolutely say that Calvinism is wicked...and deny Romans 8:28-30...and Romans 9... I've heard them say it's wicked. But It's scripture. How is it wicked. I used to follow the IFB Baptists that go door to door. If people simply make a one time confession...they write them down as saved. No change...no New Birth...just confession...no evidence of the Indwelling Holy Spirit. We need to know where we belong according to our beliefs. There's a man on RU-vid who says if your salvation requires Anything other than a simple confession of belief...if it requires a change in behavior...it's a lie from the pit of Hell. Who can bear with those lies? I can't. I can't bear to hear men who are completely against the New Birth and the Indwelling Holy Spirit. That takes the glory from God and puts it onto man. God Bless you...🌷✝️🔥

Jesus himself supported God’s sovereignty in salvation. To deny that is to deny scripture itself.

@@dfischer5878 so obviously true Calvinism is not even a religion these triggered self righteous fakes rage against God by creating a strawman and setting him up against the man dependent self glorifying figment of their imagination they worship inside Then the ones who lead churches like that..yikes

Every book of the bible espouses the depravity of man you lying fraud

Thankyou brother

If God chose you before the foundation of the earth then why did Jesus die on the cross?

@@susanshipley3224 Another way of asking that same question would be "If God determined to pay your sin debt before the foundation of the earth, then why did God pay your sin debt?"

@@siradamthebombdiggity HE paid the debt for the sins OF THE WHOLE WORLD approximately 4,000 yrs after Adam. WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS OF SIN.

@@susanshipley3224 Forgive me if I've misunderstood the point you're trying to make. But if the intention of The God-Head (I believe this is your perspective) is to save the whole world then isn't He doing a bad job? Again, I mean no disrespect. We are Christians first and foremost. I just believe that would be saying that God is not sovereign.

The apostle Paul warned of another jesus and another gospel being preached. We are not all going down the same road. Calvinism is (a nickname) for the Gospel. Salvation being 100% of the LORD!

Amen!

May the word of God be true and every man a liar.... Those that challenge and deny such clear teachings in the Bible are liars.

Calvinism is false and a man made doctrine.

The same way anyone does the free offer of salvation ; that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. People who follow reformed theology understand we do not know who the elect are, we share and God does the work of justification.

God has a unique position where He is Alpha & Omega, beginning and end, He already knows us All. While we have free will we are predestined to believe or not, in this brief life, that still doesn’t mean we don’t reach out to those who are lost. The Holy Spirit convicts and we go out and tell the lost about Salvation through the Ultimate Sacrifice, Jesus Christ.

I don’t totally understand the differences between Calvinism and Arminianism but I think that That those that repent and believe ARE saved and part of the elect. Those that refuse are not part of the elect.

change your statement by saying How do we spread the gospel in the way God wants us to. Calvin has nothing to do with this. God is the only one who changes hearts and it's not Calvin. This is all so sad to me.

I would never bring that into teaching salvation because it is the Holy Spirit that convicts it’s only for us to inform.

Dangerous and false doctrine.

@@timothyseals3791 simply biblical

@@dfischer5878 Not biblical at all. Man made, yes. Biblical, no.

@@timothyseals3791 please back that up with scripture

@@dfischer5878 No biblical verses can be given to support Calvinism.

Okay Andrew ;)

That’s one of the speakers points - it doesn’t help to call it “Calvinism” but good doctrine…

This is well stated. And someone, finally, who says that Augustine's theology was wrong - thank you! I was introduced to him (in my church he's never mentioned) and led to believe that he was a great hero of the faith. When I started learning what he taught, I realized how unscriptural he was. It didn't take much for me to realize the roots of heresy in calvinism.

@@havasmama05 hello!, yes it is indeed true. Augustine contributed many remarkable things towards the Christian world, but His views on predestination and the nature of original sin were never fully accepted in the Church - though some of his ideas influenced the western church from the 5th century on.

Divine determinism. Sheep and goats have their destinations divinely determined before they are born. How they treat “the least of these” does not determine sheepness or goatness. I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

Sorry that it took a bad accident, let me rephrase that. I'm sorry that you had a bad accident, but that from that, you get to see a little more of God's glory and His soverignty. Thank you for sharing that. Hope you heal up fast.

I was a bad person before. I had an accident 13yrs ago got spinal cord injury still bed ridden. But last year God through an incident opened my eyes and I finally could see Gods purpose in my accident. It took many years for me to see the truth because of my stubborn heart but he finally broke me and bought me to my knees.

Snake liar

Or they just don't like how arrogant Calvinists are.

@@dahelmang Well said.

@@dahelmang so funny! Reformed believers give all the Glory to God, totally get our utter depravity, rely on God alone to save by no merit of our own…. Yet somehow that’s arrogant and not the one who thinks they somehow helped God save them??? Wow

@@dfischer5878 it's not the beliefs that are arrogant, it's how they are communicated. Might as well be talking to a Catholic or an atheist for all the humility you will see.

@@dahelmang how so?? Not sure whom you speak to or listen to but in my experience reformed believers are among the most humble since we fully recognize our depravity and dependence upon God for everything:)

I agree that “cessationism” is their problem. They put a gag in the mouth of the living Lord Jesus Christ. He has spoken, in this day to the question of free will. Thus saith the Lord Jesus Christ, “None of My sheep have free will.” I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

@@robertcoupe6514 Jesus established kingdom of heaven not democracy of Martin or Calvin .

@@ddzl6209 He established His church; He revealed the kingdom. Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

@@robertcoupe6514 agreed, had Martin Luther or John Calvin or Joseph Smith were right Jesus Christ would have been wrong in saying to Peter "upon this rock I will build my church and no gates of hell will prevail against it" but now after five centuries anyone can see that Jesus is right and all the heretics are wrong , no human institution can last for two thousand years but the church of saints He established under the stewardship of Peter will last forever till He comes back.

@@ddzl6209 Smith tried to establish a church the other two never did. I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

​ @Susan Shipley “My sheep know my voice and another they will not follow. You have a choice, believe it or not.” The problem is only the elect have ears that “hear His voice”. You have hearing ears only after you have been regenerated (born again). I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

To God be the glory is right!! Amen!

Eileen if you are chosen, elected and predestined from the beginning then why do you need Jesus as your SAVIOUR ?

@@susanshipley3224 You misunderstand, please study more. Read Ephesians 1 and then attempt to deny predestination. Everyone needs Jesus, Calvinist doctrine simply states that God initiates your response. Remember, God is eternal, he knows us intimately from before the foundation of the world. Every believer will be saved and we don't know who they are, but God does. The conviction to spread the gospel is just as strong if not stronger with people who believe in God's sovereignty.

@@stevehardwick1578 predestination is in the Bible, but your view has been taught to you, not found by you. Since you brought up eph 1. Read the first verse. It tell you who are the elect and on into eph 1 it tells you what your predestined to be. It says formed to his image. Verse one says the faithful in Christ. So God chose the ones who put faith in Christ, not just cherry picking as u believe. We do know who the elect are, the ones who trust in Christ. Eph 1 13. Read it.

@@gotech25 God created those who chose Christ and caised them to do so Your arrogant evil.strawman of a total stranger must actually describe you hahaha Because you are totally clueless and self righteous

Read the NT verses containing the words.....called... elect...predestined..chosen...predestinated..ordained...the mystery of His will...within some of these verses our God tells us exactly WHEN He ordained, elected, chose, etc. In Romans 9:20 our God asks us/you a question .....and then gives His answer to us in Romans 9:21-24. Be well in the Lord. 😊

We were all doomed by our sin nature. He didn't pick some to be doomed. ❤️ Instead, he predestined his elect, for His pleasure and purposes, and I believe the rest still have a choice to follow him but even then, it is solely by the wooing of Holy Spirit. ❤️

@@msdixie1972 They won't choose HIM they won't follow HIM. They can't follow HIM .... WHY? Scripture is clear.... If people were able to outside of the ones GOD CHOSE, ELECTED and PRESIDENT before the foundation of the world it would give an individual, the opportunity to boast that he or she had something to do with their own salvation. Which is impossible.... Hope this made sense to you. Ephesians 2:8-9.😊💯❤🙏

@@msdixie1972 Margaret I reread your post. And I understand how you feel because I felt the same way... when I started understanding the sovereignty of God all those thoughts went away... And when I read scripture it was like How could I not see this??? I was seeing it but I wasn't Getting it.... And sense 2nd Timothy 3:16 says all scriptures inspired by God I must believe it. I believe You're looking at it backwards... God did not choose People for damnation they chose themselves.... If it wasn't for God Predestining, Electing and Choosing those before the foundation for his Son no one would be saved. Including me and you....And here's why..... Before A believer is called by God and regenerated by the power of the Holy Spirit We were Slaves of sin Romans 6:14 - 20.... Who are haters of God who do no good Romans 3:10, 11 and 12.... Who are full of wickedness Jeremiah 17:9… Who cannot receive the things of God 1st Corinthians 2:14… Who are dead in their sins Ephesians 2:1….. Who's by nature a child of wrath Ephesians 2:3..... Who's at enmity with God Ephesians 2:15..... THEREFORE..... it is God WHO causes us to be born again 1st Peter 1:3... WHO grants that we believed philippians 1:29..... WHO works faith in us John 6:28 - 29…. WHO grants that we believe 2nd Timothy 2:25….. WHO makes us born again not of our own wills John 1:13…. We cannot come to CHRIST unless it's been granted to us from the FATHER John 6:65.... THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES..... Salvation is of the Lord Jonah 2:9...... I pray this SHED SOME LIGHT😊 love to hear your feedback and if you've been looking into it. We including me Have so much humanistic tendencies they are hard to break at times but with God it and can be done!😊❤🙏🙏🙏

It's not Calvinism It's The Bible. And yes it's difficult to grasp. Would we make the world like that? No. But God did. I would have never created the tree of evil in the 1st place. But God did.

No it really was not. He goes off of scripture to prove points that are not biblical. Here is why Calvinism does not work: Man has free will - from the mouth of Jesus! Luke 13:34-35 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me. And now, look, your house is abandoned. And you will never see me again until you say, ‘Blessings on the one who comes in the name of the LORD!’[Ps 118:26]” -- I wanted to save you - AND YOU WOULD NOT LET ME! God gives us a choice and Paul Taught it. Romans 1:18-21 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. -- They KNEW the TRUTH and MADE THE CHOICE NOT TO HONOR HIM! -- GOD EVEN MAKES IT OBVIOUS TO THEM!

@@markwills3602 ?? This raises several questions. 1) Why ignore the explicit affirmation of free will in every Calvinist confession? Westminster even has a whole chapter laying it out (chapter 9). 2) Where is Jesus's theory of free will spelled out in your verses? You seem to be reading in something into the text rather than drawing out something from it. _"I wanted to save you - AND YOU WOULD NOT LET ME!"_ 3) You need to read your own text more carefully. "How often I have wanted to gather your *children* together...". There are three parties in this passage, not two. There is Jesus, the children Jesus wants to gather, and the religious leaders trying to prevent it. Why do you misconstrue the verse to force your theory of free will into it? 4) Why ignore other passages that seem to more directly spell out Jesus's theory of free will, such as John 8: 31-59? How do you account for our slavery to sin?

Christ was the only one predestined to provide Salvation. Read the word of God thru prayer and ask for understanding with humility as a child and call upon the name of Jesus and you shall be saved

Sounds like you have created your own character of God. Isaiah 45:7 God does not need you to pretty up whom He says He is and what He says He does.

@@dfischer5878 No, Donna. You, like many others, have most likely adopted another person's theology (Calvin) that was passed onto you. You've joined that exclusive club and you have hunkered down to defend it without having fully examined it for yourself. That's how it tends to work. There things God says about Himself in Scripture that fly in the face of the Calvinist interpretation. Because you are committed to Calvinism, you are shut off from exploring even the very possibility of error in your preferred framework of theology.

@@OJPrime another clueless self righteous hypocrite lol

@@OJPrime Romans 9:22. You have no clue on who God is and who man is. I do not call myself a Calvinist… however I do fully understand that scripture is clear from stat to finish that God in His perfect , sovereign will established a redemptive plan that in eternity past predestined some to salvation and some to be left in their sin. How you all think this is unjust I have no idea. Not one of use deserve His grace or mercy. Salvation my friend is a gift from God it is monergism. All of God.

No we wont we dont get distracted like a little child so easily instead listen to the words

Yes, Calvinism is very bad.

Terrible false doctrine.

@Reformed Hillbillies Calvinism teaches many false doctrines. The false doctrine of original sin. The false doctrine of limited atonement. The false doctrine of unconditional election and others.

@Reformed Hillbillies Yes

@Reformed Hillbillies Really? Are you open to the truth or just mocking? I only say that because many people ask questions but they have already made up their minds. No amount of discussion or bible verses will change their mind.

@Reformed Hillbillies OK, let me ask you a question. What is sin?

Hi Gary.. it is because God ordains the means as well as the ends.. He ordained how the elect shall be saved.. and that is to hear the gospel proclaimed by those who are saved..The trouble is we don't know the elect and besides His instruction is to preach regardless of whom ..elect or not.. It is His ordained system and He knows what He is doing.. Our part is to obey and trust.. Thank you Gary!

This doctrine is not biblical.

God gives us opportunities to talk to people about our Faith, we are telling about theSalvation that is found in the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ. We tell, the Holy Spirit convicts. The cross is foolishness to those who are Pershing!

@@phyllisstevens3116 I agree, and that also shows that Calvinism is a false doctrine.

@@timothyseals3791 I agree that it’s not what we need for salvation but Romans 8: 30 tells us what Faith in Christ did for us. Read ALL Romans chapter 8 for understanding what Our Faith should be looking like.

Agree.

Not one of the 5 points can not be found all over scripture

@@dfischer5878 Can you tell me where Unconditional Election and Limited Atonement are found in Scripture

He will call his elect from the 4 winds You have never actually read or comprehended the actual bible you need to know more than the first preschool cookie cutter verse to be a self proclaimed expert

You cant even have a relationship with the Father until he indwells you. You cannot approach The real Him until you agree with Him you are totally depraved. But your self righteousness blinds like all other flesh.

Though Israel is like the sand and the seashore only the remnant will be saved. He will have forbearance on his elect Fear not o worm jacob for i CHOSEN you i know you by NAME. I mean read at least one book before blithering all over the internet on your expertise cmon hahahahahaha

What is beautiful about Calvinism?

@@timothyseals3791 all for the Glory of God not man, Is Beautiful, no love Higher than that.

@@reynoldsamara218 But the doctrine is false. Are you saying you love false doctrine?

@@timothyseals3791 Enlight me

@@reynoldsamara218Ok. Do you believe that God creates sinful people?

@UCa00SO6FWRtbt9qO0v8K_aA Do you feel chosen or do just hope you are chosen. Theology is becoming so watered down these past 70 years, will the real Jesus please stand up. You say to read scripture daily....have been for over 35 years daily, and never once did I come to the conclusion we are chosen. That must be a big burden you wear if your chosen. How are you doing with that? Where does theology come from? you are right........man.....keep listening to man.....hmmmmmmm the Pharisees thought they were right to didn't they?

@@rjcontra Ok, but so what? We don't teach that God was forced to create Satan. God could have created this universe any way he pleased. God being able to do otherwise doesn't negate that God did create this universe, including the Adversary.

@@oracleoftroy The Bible doesn't say where the adversary originally came from. It just says he was cast into the Earth. In my opinion that was between verse 1 and 2 of Genesis. That's why verse 2 of Genesis is the character of satan. And man was made from the corrupt dust that satan corrupted. God formed the man of that corrupt dust. Adam did not have a free will. I don't believe in "the fall" as the Calvinist describe.

@@billyr9162 I agree that the Bible doesn't explicitly spell out the origins of Angels, Satan, and other spirtual beings, but I think it is clear that God created them. Are you saying Satan is uncreated or just that the spiritual beings were created before day 1? And let me review your timeline: Gen 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

@@oracleoftroy Thanks brother. If you know anyone that is fluent with with ancient Hebrew try talking to them about it and see what they say. Haha.. Not many people are though. So it's the word bara in Gen 1. That's an ancient Hebrew term meaning to cut from the fat. Not cellulite. Means the best of the best. It comes from the root Barith Which means covenant. Then in verse two yes you understood me right. Those 3 words are the character of satan because they are unrighteous words. It's the 1st place in The Bible we see the character of satan. It's the Hebrew word tohu. And Isaiah God said he did not create the world tohu. The word in v31 is formed. Asah. The same word in the 6 days of forming the Earth not creating it...bara. And the word good there is towb meaning pleasurable. Not bara. Its masculine. It was pleasurable to him. I think I gave you the link to my Greek teacher. He goes all through it in detail.

The problem people have with unconditional election is that it is not fair for God to create some ground “good” and other “stony ground”. (Mark 4) The different types of ground had no say(choice) in their creation. The good ground was “good” before the seed fell on it. If you are good ground start praising God! I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

It’s all over scripture , cover to cover. There is no other teaching that puts man in his proper place a d God in His

@gregormann7 No wonder. Madness or foolishness... 1Corinthians 1,18 "The message of the Cross is the foolishness to those who are perishing but is is the power to save to those who believe... "

@@robertcoupe6514 So you may not be elect, you can not know for sure. Will you praise this doctrine then?

@@timothyseals3791 only God can give you faith to do them Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the (spoken)word of God. only God can make ears that hear His rhema. He has given your “new creature” ears that hear. 2 Cor. 5:17 I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

You do realize if we are allowed to pervert scripture that thoroughly…there’s simply no reason to read it at all

@@jamesstumpff7774 EXACTLY, yet this kind of eisegesis is PRECISELY what Calvinists do, making God the purveyor of half truths 100 times at least, impugning God's character without shame or remorse!

knowing calvinism will not get you to heaven, knowing who God is will change your life

@@arlysann Yes, and Calvinism leads so many the wrong way and they don't even know it.

@@timothyseals3791 I know it's very sad and it's not how you share the gospel. God will reveal His sovereignty in His time. We share or sow the seeds God changes hearts

@@arlysann when these self righteous deceived blind hypocrites meet Him they will know. If they dont believe Moses who said 'send someone else' they will not believe. It doesnt tickle their ears with their self righteous guilt fear shame control.

@@timothyseals3791 jim jones claimed he was going to heaven Mans word means nothing just your delusions. You need sound teaching

Exactly, God is no respecter of persons Believe is the exercise of FREEWILL

​@@susanshipley3224 “My sheep know my voice and another they will not follow. You have a choice, believe it or not.” The problem is only the elect have ears that “hear His voice”. You have hearing ears only after you have been regenerated (born again). I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

​ @Susan Shipley “My sheep know my voice and another they will not follow. You have a choice, believe it or not.” The problem is only the elect have ears that “hear His voice”. You have hearing ears only after you have been regenerated (born again). I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.

How So? it is clear already you have an erroneous definition of Calvinism.

Get a clue. In Calvinism every single event that happens is decreed by God, and even every single thought in everyone’s head is put there by God - so every evil act, every sin, every disease, every war, is all decreed by God and caused by God. Therefore that makes God the author of sin, and evil, and the only real sinner in the universe.

Not even close strawman wacko He gave us a choice and we choose wrong. You are just too arrogant to believe your own total depravity.

@@chadkincham every evil act is because man chooses against God every chance they get

@@uncasunga1800 Try actually reading what Calvin wrote, ignoramus.

You say Man has free will and then allege Luke 13:34-35 proves this. It doesn't. You read into it the notion Jesus supposedly says “I wanted to save you - AND YOU WOULD NOT LET ME!” Except Jesus actually says, “How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me.” It's not I wanted to save you but rather I WANTED TO GATHER YOUR CHILDREN. Jesus is talking about protection not salvation ergo the metaphor of the hen with her chicks beneath her wings. There's nothing here about so-called freewill. “And you would not let me” does not prove freewill. All it suggests is a refusal to choose or consent to Christ's protection due to its long murderous streak of God's prophets. The CITY KILLS God's messengers. This indictment is against the CITY (i.e. the leadership and those that follow them opposed to Christ), and not against her children ergo Jesus saying YOUR HOUSE is abandoned. Romans 1:18-21 isn't addressing the issue of choice but God's anger against human wickedness. Remember, God's anger is revealed against sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. Paul is establishing how far gone in sin people really are. The indictment is people are so sinful and wicked so much that they're not even willing to worship God or show Him their gratitude even when the truth about Him is so obvious to them. So the issue isn't as you say they KNEW the TRUTH and MADE THE CHOICE NOT TO HONOR HIM. The issue is people are so profoundly sinful they suppress the truth by their wickedness. This is the open and shut case. When it comes to Adam God gave Adam a command God required him to obey to not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That Adam made a choice is a given. But the issue is God's command and Adam disobeyed it to his loss. If you know we are dead and we can only come to God if HE DRAWS us - but then my friend it makes no sense to say He draws EVERYONE when not everyone comes to God. His WILL is to save His people from their sins. 2 Peter 3:9 actually says God is not willing that any of his people should perish. The Lord is long-suffering toward US (i.e. Peter and his original Christian audience). God gives EVERYONE an opportunity to obey His commands. What do you think sinful, wicked people left to themselves are going to choose to do hundred per cent of the time? You say “Calvinism” promotes pride because God Chose me and he did not chose Bob or Tim. Nonsense. God chose Jacob and not Esau, yet Jacob did not become prideful or think himself better than his brother. Being chosen by God over others does not mean you obviously have something great about you over those not chosen. What's truly amazing is that God would even choose you at all when you don't deserve to be chosen. God doesn't have to choose anyone. The only Sick Teaching is the kind that assumes if God chooses Jacob, He is obligated to also choose Esau because it's supposedly only fair. You seem to think that just because God is not the respecter of people that means He has to treat everyone equally. God treats people differently throughout the Bible. For example, He saved Israel but drowned Egypt in the Red Sea. God is no rewarder of choice, but rather the judge of all the earth. The Choice is always God's to save whomever He wants to save or to condemn whomever He wants to condemn. Our choice isn't the issue. God's choice is and has always been the issue. If God saves you be thankful. If God condemns the wicked, rejoice in His judgments seeing as the judge of all the earth always does what is right.

@@signposts6189 How Blind can you be? Did God Give Adam and Eve a Choice in the Garden? YES this is not refutable. Adam you can eat of any fruit in the Garden ACCEPT the Tree in the middle. This is the FACTS. God told Adam "Here is your choice - and if you make the wrong choice - You will die!!! Open your Eyes Dude. Romans 1:18-19 is CLEARLY A CHOICE. Word for word - For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and THEN their foolish heart was darkened. This is CLEARLY A CHOICE - and to say it is not is saying that God is a Liar because he Said -I SHOWED THEM WHO I AM AND EVEN THOUIGH THEY KNEW - THEY DID NOT GLORIFY HIM AS GOD!!!!! Please open your EYES this is a Open and shut case. What is sick is being so tied to people and their opinions that you do not see what God has CLEARLY WRITTEN. These two examples are clear - Adam had a choice - EVERY MAN that has lived had a choice. That is Why God Doubled Down and then Clearly says "They have no Excuse." If God chose Tim and not Bob, Tim has an excuse. And Tim could say "What did you base your choice of Bob on?" You need to be honest with God's word and stop putting into it something that God never said - He never not one time says he predestines ANY one to Salvation.

@@markwills3602 How Blind can you be? I'm not at all blind. I can read just fine. Did God Give Adam and Eve a Choice in the Garden? God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God did not tell Adam "Here is your choice - and if you make the wrong choice - You will die!!!. God COMMANDED Adam to not eat of the forbidden fruit. Romans 1:18-19 is NOT clearly a choice. You seem to sidestep the words that set the stage. You know, “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness...” The issue isn't choice. The issue is God's wrath AGAINST ALL ungodliness and unrighteousness of men. There's nothing about this that makes God any sort of liar. This is a matter of interpretation in context not theatrics about what it allegedly makes God. What “ungodly and unrighteous men knew” doesn't prove your freewill notions. This is not about other people and their opinions. This about you and me and how we're interpreting Scripture. YOUR interpretation can and should be questioned as is mine. And I think how you're interpreting Scripture doesn't really appropriately reveal what God has had WRITTEN down. You sidestep context (God's anger against the extent of human wickedness) and use a text (sinful men ignoring the truth) to prove a pretext (Man's supposed freewill) read into the text. Your two examples do not clearly teach freewill in the way you define it-. Indeed Adam could choose - but Adam's choice isn't about whether he can choose good or bad but that he can simply choose. Why he chooses what he chooses is another matter entirely. In Romans 1:81-19 it says men do not glorify God or give thanks to Him because they're so sinful and wicked. This means their choice is always to do bad. You can say whatever you want that EVERY MAN that has lived has had a choice. But choice doesn't save anyone. Only God and Him alone saves. Having no Excuse isn't proof of freewill. It is evidence that they have nothing to stand on to to claim innocence from being guilty of sin. If God chose Tim and not Bob, Tim would still have no excuse. It doesn't matter if Tim said "What did you base your choice of Bob on?" Because the issue is Tim is still guilty of being a treacherous sinner deserving God's punishment for his wicked ways. It would seem you're the one who needs to be honest with how you're reading God's word and stop reading into it things that bend it to your freewill notions .

@@signposts6189 Really? From the Word. "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; “but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” - I really do not know how to deal with people who twist what God says into something it does not say. Maybe there is hope for you - You may freely eat is a choice. You may freely do something is a choice. Second. You shall not eat of this tree clearly a demand - and IF YOU DO you will die. God warns them "The day you eat it (Clearly a choice) you will die." -- BUT the word it self is the result of a choice. On Romans 1 you are wrong - God is clear about who he is and they KNOW it and they reject it. Here is the bottom line. This is what is taught in Scripture - you can twist it all you want - God gave us a choice, and he based his reaction to our choice. You guys have a problem with God giving up his sovereignty because I will be the first to say God can make a person choose what ever he wants them to choose. God gave that up when he made himself clearly visible to man - and man choose not to follow him. God is sovereign no question. God is also wants genuine love - not love forced on a person. Love does not seek it's own. You need to learn that Love is giving man a choice - and all through the scriptures you see God over and over again say, "They will be my people and I will be their God."

@@markwills3602 what you fail to recognize is that humanity is not in the same position that Adam and Eve where in, they where untainted by sin but all his offspring make choices out of a fallen, sinful state.

The early Church Fathers understood that if God passed over ANYONE, it would be a sign of WEAKNESS

Why does the “whosoever” need explaining? Romans 10:13 - for “whosoever” shall call upon the name of the lord shall be saved. Kinda self explanatory isn’t it ?

No one claiming to deserve heaven will go there haha

@@iacoponefurio1915 no one deserves go to heaven, if anyone got there only because of God mercy , not because they called themselves a Christian or not because they think they are good people . None of those causes them got to heaven.

Arminian is not protestant they left the reformation

Ignore Uncas Unga. He is not even a Christian.

John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. It is true that those of us that have the rhema of Jesus Christ abiding in us do hear Him speaking to us in this present time. I am forever praising and believing Jesus is the Christ, and this is pleasing to God.

Your version of God saves all people?

Daniel, where do you get fraction concerning "elect" It makes sense if you mean the fraction that finds the narrow road. Scripture doesn't limit God and His word is chalk full of His "elect" and His "sovereignty" cover to cover.

My comments refer to the sermon posted in the video. If you find any incongruency between my previous comment and the video please point it out.

@@danielcapusneanu590 Just be biblical bud.

The problem people have with unconditional election is that it is not fair for God to create some ground “good” and other “stony ground”. (Mark 4) The different types of ground had no say(choice) in their creation. The good ground was “good” before the seed fell on it. If you are good ground start praising God! I agree that “cessationism” is their problem. They put a gag in the mouth of the living Lord Jesus Christ. He has spoken, in this day to the question of free will. Thus saith the Lord Jesus Christ, “None of My sheep have free will.” I am forever praising and believing Jesus Christ and this is pleasing to God.