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Bush Pilot Technique Cessna 172 Landing on Short Field 

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Season 2, Episode 23
George takes on a difficult approach in the Cessna 172, and all in the name of a good breakfast!
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@douglasrodrigues332
@douglasrodrigues332 6 лет назад
The majority of pilots have never landed on a genuine short field. I would like to caution novice pilots that it takes more length to takeoff than it did to land.
@robertwatson818
@robertwatson818 Год назад
How "short" is short field? Middle of the Gulf--1400 feet? Water at both ends. Around Empire, Louisiana between the levee and highway--900 feet with takeoff heading right at the levee with a loaded C-150 licensed in Experimental category? 2000 foot grass strip--40--60 foot trees at both ends--90 degrees with 85% humidity. How short is short---and why?
@MKwan82
@MKwan82 9 месяцев назад
I've inadvertently taken off with only 800 ft on one of my solo when I was still a student pilot. I had to dump flap 10 at the end to gain altitude fast. But I would never do it again. Low hours and being impatience do not mix well.
@andysmith6824
@andysmith6824 7 лет назад
Thank you for sharing this! And a double-thank you for NOT adding music to the video!!! So many good videos are ruined by crappy music that covers up what we want to hear. Good piloting skills----nicely done. I haven't flown in several years, but would like to get current again. Landing at an uncontrolled field like this brought back so many fun memories. Thanks again!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Glad I could make you smile :)
@Slideways24
@Slideways24 2 года назад
@@FriendlySkiesFilm I totally agree with the no music. Everyone has different music tastes. The sound of the engines, whether it's airplanes or racecars is the only music I need.
@dkeberhard
@dkeberhard 7 лет назад
this is a great video for teaching situational awareness. busy airfield, lots happening, pattern entry options, etc, etc. great job guys.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
We do our best! :) Glad you enjoyed.
@airmuseum
@airmuseum 7 лет назад
I'm 80 years old..In my prime we flew patterns around landing areas that allowed us to glide to a landing on the runway from any point in the pattern except immediately after takeoff. Approaches were made high enough that power need not be carried. We called them precision landings. I know this is more difficult to accomplish when there is traffic and ATC, but you can insist on your flying an approach path that insures your landing on the runway in case of a failure. You are the pilot in command and nobody else, including ATC and other traffic will share the blame if you end up buying the farm.
@outwiththem
@outwiththem 7 лет назад
That is how i learned too. Piper Colt. 80 mph all the way from up to the flare. Forward Slips to control speed if too hot. Worked well. Soloed at 10 hours.
@brian6779
@brian6779 6 лет назад
I totally agree with you. I prefer to approach high and apply full flaps so that I can keep my performance high until the very last approach.
@flycubfly
@flycubfly 5 лет назад
I agree and do the same . The last thing I want to have to do is walk to the end of the runway .
@johnelliot9654
@johnelliot9654 5 лет назад
While good practice to fly a power off approach for those special airport where it may be needed, it’s actually safer to fly a 3 degree controlled path with power. Having full control of all the energy axis on a 3 degree path is always safer. If you are considering an engine failure as a real probable threat, then maybe the flight should not take off. Fatal engine failure accidents are a rare event. Usually your engine lets you know in advance that it shouldn’t be flown....
@milanaero
@milanaero 5 лет назад
And what about cooling the engine too much after you chop the power? Isn't that affecting the longevity of it?
@michaelthomopoulos5985
@michaelthomopoulos5985 4 года назад
What a pleasure to watch!!! I am a classical musician who knows absolutely nobody else who loves to fly. These two guys were just speaking our language in an every day way! Love it.
@FlightSim2703
@FlightSim2703 6 лет назад
Owned a Cessna 172 few years ago, I sold it because flying become to me too boring every weekend drive from orange county to Chino airport for few hours fly all by my self,friends afraid to join each time I asked them to join :) until sky become too boring to me, I wish I had a brother like you guys both involved in activities. Awesome guys enjoy and fly safe, thumbs up.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 6 лет назад
That's what I hear from so many. If there's no friends, and no community, then what's the point. Rock on, friend, wherever life takes you :)
@storiesfromthedepthsofspac6413
@storiesfromthedepthsofspac6413 3 месяца назад
Boring hell, I don’t even put my right seat in my 150. More room for fishing poles, camping gear, an metal detectors. People are heavy and annoying.
@engineeringoyster6243
@engineeringoyster6243 Год назад
Don’t ever focus excessively on a smooth touchdown. Far more important to do as you did to have the airplane on speed, on centerline, on glide slope and stabilized.
@juanflyer8443
@juanflyer8443 6 лет назад
nice job with traffic and Zero delay in action to bring in a great landing. Thanks for sharing. Shout out for Madrid, Spain
@bigtxbullion
@bigtxbullion 7 лет назад
i dont even fly and i love watching these. solid videos brother. really appreciate the nav diagrams to see what you are talking about in your approach. am 35 with a fulltime career in commercial RE but this looks so fun. making me want to take this on.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Glad you enjoy them :)
@ElliotBritton
@ElliotBritton 7 лет назад
Bravissimo! I rescind my comment about not having a soft touchdown- this landing is absolutely textbook for a short field approach.
@GreenFillwood
@GreenFillwood 7 лет назад
All apart from dumping the flaps whilst still airbourne that is!
@outwiththem
@outwiththem 7 лет назад
I as a Bush Pilot CFI never liked to say "Dump the Flaps". I said Cut the Flaps instead. He "Cut the Flaps to Cut the lift" Saying Dump, means "down". it is not the right term to use. Like Forward Slip vs Side Slip BS.
@FreePilotTraining
@FreePilotTraining Год назад
That’s cool. I had some one send this video to me in the comments on my video where I tested out this technique. It definitely works!
@jimfoley3350
@jimfoley3350 4 года назад
There are as many opinions here as there are pilots, as always! My two cents on most of the comments: 1) flaps up in the flare- Cessna's electric flaps take their time to retract (I much preferred the old manual ones.) So, on a short field- they will have more effective wheel braking sooner, and in the event of a go around the flaps will be closer to the desired position. So Although I don't think I've ever done it, I wouldn't criticize it. 2) Engine failure- this engine got them all the way through the flight. Unless fuel or carb ice, it's not likely to quit on final. If it does- best glide and land in the grass before the threshold. Obstacles before the threshold? Clear them and slip it in. Nice video guys.
@kennethlund6558
@kennethlund6558 4 года назад
Brings back old memories, but it didn’t look all that short. Good job!
@94nolo
@94nolo 6 лет назад
Holy cow, pilots worth watching. Making me want to be a pilot.
@coleweaver7286
@coleweaver7286 6 лет назад
"Chem trails are just my sneezes" hahaha
@giselavanzyl7295
@giselavanzyl7295 7 лет назад
Little low but spot on the numbers😁 A great landing starts with flying the numbers once you join the circuit. Nice going there.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Can be as low as you want, as long as you've got the energy ;)
@12gabrowning
@12gabrowning 7 лет назад
Very good flying, gentlemen. The keyboard pilots can always find details they would do differently, but then you could to. Enjoy, and be safe!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Glad you enjoyed, and thanks for the great attitude :)
@FelipeArtista
@FelipeArtista 5 лет назад
Yes, I agree. I particularly liked their situational awareness, paying attention to the radio and creating a mental image of where traffic is. The approach was low, but the airspeed was high, so even if the engine had quit they were within gliding range.
@computer5272
@computer5272 7 лет назад
In this video Mr. Friendly and his twin brother discover the wonders of the exotic *high wing* airplane known as the Cessna 172. They didn't seem to mind not being able to see the runway on their downwind to base turn, at least the fuel is easier to manage.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
I love your comments sooooo much!! XD
@erikhendrych190
@erikhendrych190 7 лет назад
Every time I see "Friendly Skies" it reminds me of that passengerwho was forcefully removed from United Airlines flight.
@writepilot777
@writepilot777 7 лет назад
With respect for all opinions and on behalf of a lot of hardworking professionals: that was neither a United plane nor a United crew, nor were there any United ground employees involved -- except maybe the "ivory tower" folks who elected to outsource. Same with the "leggings" episode.
@erikhendrych190
@erikhendrych190 7 лет назад
I know, I know, I just can't get rid of the association. Nothing against this chanel.
@writepilot777
@writepilot777 7 лет назад
Right. Unfortunate, but thanks at least for realizing. (I'm not commenting on behalf of the channel. I'm just a retired United pilot.)
@carlosjrbatista7021
@carlosjrbatista7021 5 лет назад
Pre-stol perform!! Amazing approach! Calm, relax and focus at the airplane limits speed!
@coreyg.1460
@coreyg.1460 7 лет назад
should be noted this is an advanced landing technique, by reaching down to pull the flap lever up student pilots are more adapt to loose control of the airplane and possibly, if flying a complex plane pull the gear up. That's why most instructors will teach not to touch anything until landed and off the runway. However this should be demonstrated b/c in a tight spot or a forced landing situation this could get you down, in, and on the brakes ASAP instead of floating down the field. Could be the difference between making it or rolling into the trees/fence
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC 5 лет назад
If you confuse switches, you should not be a pilot. Flying Turkeys making those stupid pilot errors is what gives USA general aviation such a bad name.
@alfaranha
@alfaranha 6 лет назад
I’ve always landed Cessna 172 at 60MPH, preferably with full flaps and on a high angle glide slope. It’s awesome!
@gasmith74
@gasmith74 7 лет назад
The paint job on this plane was the exact paint job on the 172 I did all of my training in until it was recently painted. So a good memory revived.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Aw, glad you had good memories of your training :)
@alwonner
@alwonner 7 лет назад
Good day. Nice video as usual. You look like twins brothers! At least you are brothers in flights! Always something to learn watching you. Thank you. Alex
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Glad you enjoyed, mate! :)
@reaj2010
@reaj2010 6 лет назад
Now that was a nice video and nice to see everyone cooperating to get in and around.
@bennettt4404
@bennettt4404 6 лет назад
I always retract the flaps right after touchdown. That said, I was flying with my friend the other day who is a CFI, came in a bit hot into my round out and he said "Check this"... then proceeded to pull my flaps up... learn something new everyday!
@talkingbob
@talkingbob 7 лет назад
I fly a Skyhawk II as well. When I do a short-field landing like in the video, I find the airplane bounces. That was interesting how the pilot retracted the flaps as he was touching down. I was never taught that. Also, you guys have the same glasses!
@GeorgeCharlesAllen
@GeorgeCharlesAllen 7 лет назад
It's not something that would be taught to students.
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC 4 года назад
@@GeorgeCharlesAllen - I did to mine. From year 1990 on I did. It is a great trick to avoid low go arounds and tire damage due too fast on runway and braking with flaps. Those are 2 too common pilot errors that can be corrected by cutting the flaps on the flare.
@zacharybyers
@zacharybyers 6 лет назад
Just a suggestion. If you really want to land a 172 short, leave the flaps in. You may have more float if you're fast but its almost like having a parachute on your airplane once you're fully stalled. Those electric flaps don't come up like the flaps on a carbon cub
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC 4 года назад
Ok, leave the flaps in. That means leave the flaps retracted. Dummy..
@ChrisJones-yt8zp
@ChrisJones-yt8zp 6 лет назад
That was so beautiful I shed a tear.
@cabdolla
@cabdolla 7 лет назад
Personally I would have been doing a slip and steep descent with full flaps to clear those trees and come down steep. You seem to be going low which makes you fly longer in turbulence being shed off those trees. Sometimes the camera makes the glide slope seem different than in real life though. You made it safe so nice job.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Thanks, mate. Two different styles, I think. Next time I'm there I'll give yours a shot :)
@cabdolla
@cabdolla 7 лет назад
With the slip, you can be power off and come down like an elevator. With your approach, you seem to be flying that final approach with power in, which I personally dont like having switched to gliders. I never want to be on final where I cant land without power at idle the whole time. I prefer to fly at flight idle in a powered plane after I am on downwind and abeam the numbers. That means keeping it tight and bank angles of 45 degrees.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Power was out long before the trees to get that decent rate, but the second you mentioned being a sailplane pilot, I knew that would be your preference ;)
@cabdolla
@cabdolla 7 лет назад
Friendly Skies Film ah ok, great! From the cockpit I saw his hand on the throttle and thought he has 1/4 throttle in. My apologies ! I've done slips to full rudder lock in the 172 on descent, it comes down quite well and still has good control authority. Give it a shot of power when you take the slip out and flare it will arrest the high descent rate and you'll have a light touchdown since you don't have a long runway to play with.
@rodrigobarbosa6610
@rodrigobarbosa6610 7 лет назад
Wow nice! Just learned a new technique to land.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Yay :)
@_skyyskater
@_skyyskater 6 лет назад
Been there for pancakes several times (in a Citabria, though)! I recognized the silver 170 haha. That's a tight landing for a 172, well done!
@jamesfunnell7075
@jamesfunnell7075 7 лет назад
Glad to be back to the real flying after the ridiculous number of comments about X-Plane vs FSX in the last video! Love these videos.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Glad you're enjoying :)
@fijician6307
@fijician6307 7 лет назад
Youre visual aids are incredibly professional. Helps me out a lot thanks!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Glad we could help :)
@JamesHewitt1399
@JamesHewitt1399 7 лет назад
The checklist on my knee is mixture master key. Just great ahahaha
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Love our chief instructor :)
@johns9694
@johns9694 6 лет назад
I just discovered this video now. I was there that day and landed just prior to your arrival. It was a great day of flying! Nick, if I had seen you I would have said hello. That is my silver RV 7 with the black nose parked on the opposite side of the runway from where you parked. Nice video to remember the day with! Keep up the great work!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 6 лет назад
Hi friend! I think I've actually seen that RV around before. Where are you based?
@johns9694
@johns9694 6 лет назад
Friendly Skies Film I am based in Plymouth. I do get around pretty good as do you!
@Yachtbits
@Yachtbits 7 лет назад
"no guys with taildraggers and no radios!" Tut! cessna drivers! and whats this short field lark, you've got 1700ft of tarmac!
@jameshanson2097
@jameshanson2097 7 лет назад
I've never seen a twin 172! :) Great vid, thank you. I've also never seen or heard about taking out the flaps at the flare - maybe a bush technique? Certainly very advanced, and in that case not "textbook." But taking the flaps off during roll-out to increase the contact between the wheels and the runway (and thus braking effectiveness) is textbook.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Yep, taught at our school by bush legend, CC Pocock. Good on you for knowing the second technique too, though! That's actually in many POH's, which surprised me.
@VicsYard
@VicsYard 7 лет назад
That landing was nice.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Thought so too ;)
@Naive773
@Naive773 4 года назад
I like the Motion Tracker from Alien in the intro
@horacesawyer2487
@horacesawyer2487 7 лет назад
Not bad, but me, I'm always in a HURRY to get to them PANDCAKES, so I just stall it about midfield and drop in. It's a little rough on the gear, but it's worth getting in line quicker.
@GeorgeCharlesAllen
@GeorgeCharlesAllen 7 лет назад
:)
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Hehe. Now this is a comment I can get behind!
@farsproductions3749
@farsproductions3749 5 лет назад
Lol that’s the way to do it.
@musoseven8218
@musoseven8218 4 года назад
Great video. Showed lots of real world scenarios and an insight into the pilots' thoughts and the RT etc. A busy fly-in on a small strip can be challenging. As an onlooker, could that finals have been flown higher then a side slip in to bleed off height and energy? The landing looked safe and the approach grass looked free from obstructions and almost landable - I'm trying to visualize a side slip type approach though.
@andrem7th
@andrem7th Год назад
holy molly, thats a short runway. good job!
@robrichards3847
@robrichards3847 7 лет назад
Base to final took you right over my house. I have been meaning to get over there for the pancakes.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Haha, hey buddy! :)
@marsgal42
@marsgal42 6 лет назад
When I did a checkout in a 172P I was taught to trim for 65 knots with flaps 20 on base when setting up for a short or soft landing. Flaps 30 on final, trim, the plane settles down to 61 knots. Doesn't take much runway to stop at that speed...
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC 4 года назад
Not on a 1,700 feet runway.
@michaelasavino
@michaelasavino 7 лет назад
"The Civil Air Patrol will tell you where to POK". Oh how I miss my Worcester days!!
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC 4 года назад
To Pock The Cahh!!
@codykelley7081
@codykelley7081 7 лет назад
I've flown into Cranland multiple times as well as being the CAP on the ground. Pilots that fly in are usually regulars who ignore CAP directions and just park where they want. In some cases, pilots just sit on the runway until we give them directions. Its a hectic place where people fly right patterns and dont use comms.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
That's certainly the impression that I got, but lovely community for sure :)
@teddyzdrummer
@teddyzdrummer 7 лет назад
Cranland is a nice little strip in Halifax....flew in and out of there a few time for Sunday pancakes 👍 nice job.
@skippynj1979
@skippynj1979 6 лет назад
Good video.. I understand the flaps up after landing to get some more weight on the wheels.. i did it tens times each way way one day in a 172. The landing distance was actually unaffected.. full aft yoke allowed for more weight on wheels and better breaking. Also the planes were certified leaving the flaps down in roll out. I was wary of having my students touch anything in the fear even they go to complex aircraft they mistake gear for flaps. The FAA also prefers not raising the flaps. In the airlines we can't change configuration from the final approach fix until fully exiting the runway with the exception of thrust reversers as we are advised to stow them at 60 knots.
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC 5 лет назад
Try that on a real short landing, not on a mild braking one.
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC 5 лет назад
FAA promotes idiocy and lazyness. That is why they allow so many turkeys to get all kinds of FAA licenses. Result?? LOOK at that high rate of pilot errors in USA GA. what is the dam problem in raising flaps. You are afraid of using the wrong switch?? That is unaceptable. That is the kind of idiot that will hit the wrong pedal in a car. A pilot or a prick???
@AirplaneFreak1000
@AirplaneFreak1000 7 лет назад
i was gonna type notification squad but i got carried away watching the video ...MAN THAT WAS SOME TRAFFIC....nAILED IT ON THE approach lol
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Hey buddy! Glad you enjoyed it :)
@MarceloCabane
@MarceloCabane 7 лет назад
Nice video, excellent traffic management, and an interesting technique. Not quite a textbook or at least the ones I use :) Looked too much of 4 solid reds for me.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Glad you enjoyed :) Doesn't really matter how low you are as long as you have the energy to spare, as I see it, though.
@MarceloCabane
@MarceloCabane 7 лет назад
Agree, but that's not the typical CFI FAA textbook :) good flying skills for sure!
@tsulmer
@tsulmer 6 лет назад
too low makes for a larger circuit and slows the circuit down. Ok for practicing different techniques, but please don't call it textbook....
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC 5 лет назад
Sometimes you are aiming to touch down on a precise spot, you keep the speed perfect but say at 100 feet agl a sudden shift of wind or a thermal from ground makes your approach flatter and now you are going to over shoot the spot. You can slip the airplane but it is very difficult to do it perfect at 100 feet. You can use the cutting flaps on flare trick. It is a talented pilot trick. Maggots cant do that.
@nexamis9507
@nexamis9507 7 лет назад
Awesome video!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Thanks, old friend :)
@proprotornut5389
@proprotornut5389 7 лет назад
Awesome video! Thanks guys😀
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Glad you enjoyed :)
@CFITOMAHAWK2
@CFITOMAHAWK2 6 лет назад
1D pilots cut the flaps after leaving the runway (afraid), 2D pilots cut the flaps after touchdown (Half afraid), 3D pilots cut the flaps in the flare (Never afraid). 3D pilots are the boss.
@captaincrunch373
@captaincrunch373 5 лет назад
So if you're floating, pull the flaps? That's an interesting idea.
@daffidavit
@daffidavit 5 лет назад
@@captaincrunch373 The reason airplanes float too much is because they have too much airspeed necessary for the landing. Lifting the flaps will only reduce the drag. You might drop to the ground, but you still have excess airspeed. The best way to reduce excess airspeed, or energy as the new saying goes, is to bleed it off in ground effect keeping the flaps down. If in doubt, go around. But as Scotty always says, "ya canna change the laws of physics".
@davidwhite8633
@davidwhite8633 5 лет назад
daffidavit You’re right about the laws of physics, and they say wheel friction drag and brakes will beat flap drag any day when that runway end is approaching fast ! ‘ when in doubt , go around ‘ Agreed . But with full flaps for that real short field hanging out let’s hope that there are no inconvenient obstacles off the far end if that decision is made on the runway .
@daffidavit
@daffidavit 5 лет назад
@@davidwhite8633 Well, let's just say, if you have to wait for the last second to make the decision to 'go around' youv'e probaly have waited a little to long. Let's hope the wait time was not beyond the safety limit time to have gone around. I recently had an experience whether to have gone around or to land. We probalby should have gone around. But the experience proved to have been a learning experience for me and my student. Let's say, if I had to do it all over again, I might have decided to have gone around. But it was so close, I might have done the same thing over again. Even when it comes to flight training, sometimes you have to go to the "outer Limit" in order to experience the true emergency situation. I certainly do not promote the flight training position that flight instructors should take each and every flight training episode to the "outer limits". I do not. But sometime the training episode creates and experience where both the flight instructor and the student both learn something new.
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC
@feetgoaroundfullflapsC 5 лет назад
@@daffidavit --Sometimes you are aiming to touch down on a precise spot, you keep the speed perfect but say at 100 feet agl a sudden shift of wind or a thermal from ground makes your approach flatter and now you are going to over shoot the spot. You can slip the airplane but it is very difficult to do it perfect at 100 feet. You can use the cutting flaps on flare trick. It is a talented pilot trick.
@emergencylowmaneuvering7350
@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 2 года назад
The cutting flaps in the flare trick. I learned it in 1996.
@tjpandell63
@tjpandell63 Год назад
Nice David Clamps 🫤🫤🥴
@averagejoepilot6201
@averagejoepilot6201 7 лет назад
Great job on the editing! Awesome short feild landing...
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Thanks, mate :)
@stevedaly730
@stevedaly730 5 лет назад
Sometimes you don't need to be in the bush to encounter a difficult landing and take off. There lots of short runways found in private airports built in cities all over America. There's one not far from the airport I fly out of. It's got an 1600 foot runway but it's got obstructions at both ends of the main north south runway. A vets office with telephone wires on the North end and the south large trees planted on the 8th hole of a golf course. Landing doesn't cause me much problem but the take offs leave no room for error. Flaps down one notch, stand on the brakes bring it to full power then pop the brakes. Don't pull to early and careful not to panic. Your gonna just learn those obstacles.
@K1DTC
@K1DTC 7 лет назад
It's not often a person comes across a video on RU-vid and sees their house from a plane. That was interesting. I was not home my car was gone.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
No way! Do you have a pool? ;P
@K1DTC
@K1DTC 7 лет назад
Friendly Skies Film pause at 6:50 and my house is under the door hinge. Really cool!!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Neat!
@Vito_A_Labella
@Vito_A_Labella 5 лет назад
thanks for no music,,rather hear you guys
@LOWEFERRARI
@LOWEFERRARI 7 лет назад
finally a nice video guys...great job.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
As opposed to the other ones??
@AmericaVoice
@AmericaVoice 7 лет назад
Damn that's a lot of traffic for such a small strip!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
My pancakes bring all the boys to the yard.
@borzica
@borzica 2 года назад
Awesome landing btw
@drpradeepkumar58
@drpradeepkumar58 6 лет назад
Nice Video
@RobertKaydoo
@RobertKaydoo 6 лет назад
Love the air freshener swinging in the back.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 6 лет назад
Lol
@graemejwsmith
@graemejwsmith 7 лет назад
With all the too and fro - how about this: If you are lowish time or less experienced - you are likely to argue for flying it like the PoH suggests - Fine - it won't kill you at Cranland. If you are higher time, bush experienced, or have just been around the block a bit more - you are more likely to use tricks like aggressive slipping and flaps off just before touch down - Fine - it's not going to kill you either! It is sure going to help you (and me) get into the impossibly tight small field in the trees the day the engine quits in a "difficult" bit of terrain. :-) Cranland is an interesting airport. Coming in 18 - there is a nice grass approach - you see it in this video - and an uphill run to help stop you. Coming in 36 you are coming in over some trees and the downhill run is not going to help you stop. Taildraggers are likely to be using the grass to the left of the paved 18 (right of paved 36). The airport is subject to dead 90 degree crosswinds which can make the runway choice "interesting". If I am the only one there - I'll overfly midfield above pattern and look at the windsock, tetrahedron (quite often at odds with each other) and consider the airflow over the whole area before I pick my runway. If others have chosen - I'll fall in with them. But the reality is at some point on this runway in a crosswind you might end up with a tailwind during part of your landing - so getting down and making it stick is an important part of my playbook here. Here is what I saw in the video: - Lots of energy to always make the runway from downwind to base onwards - Carrying energy to make sure the runway was made at all times. - Killing energy with a dip BELOW glide path (those commenting about a "flat approach") and a pull up to make the runway. - Killing energy with a left slip at the same time. - Flaps up before touchdown to help sink through ground effect and stick the plane on the pavement. - A firm - but by no means bad for the airplane - touchdown. Which is how I usually fly this airport for practice. Calm wind - Runway 18 you can usually get stopped in a 150/2 170/2 in about 300ft without hurting the plane or putting flat spots on the tires. Runway 36 it is a little more challenging with the trees on approach and the downhill run. Maybe 400ft. I think this video is a good conversation piece - but to those offering negative comments - I'd ask you to consider my comments. YMMV
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Wow, an excellent commentary. Thanks for trying to be so unbiased and professional. I like to think that most things on my channel are a good conversation piece if nothing else :P
@davidwhite8633
@davidwhite8633 5 лет назад
Friendly Skies Film Agreed , and YT is supposed to be an entertainment channel I think , so a fair bit of knockabout stuff in the comments helps spice it up , as long as they don’t get out of hand.
@MaxDolittle
@MaxDolittle 5 лет назад
Brings back memories from my flying days out of Charlottetown PEI YYG
@jibeneyto91
@jibeneyto91 7 лет назад
Very nice approach and landing, but please explain me, why would you touch the flaps during the flare?
@JarenMorris_UnderHover
@JarenMorris_UnderHover 7 лет назад
read the prior comments and you might be surprised to find your question has been covered multiple times....
@TyzaGFPV
@TyzaGFPV 6 лет назад
That approach was mint, dude!!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
I had more fun footage of pancakes and Aviation movie trivia that I wanted to include, but I lost it somehow! So sorry :(
@ericschultz8651
@ericschultz8651 6 лет назад
Get it next year, keep up the great videos .
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166
@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 6 лет назад
Have you ever flown a plane with a Diesel engine or an engine certified for unleaded? If so, is it an experience you'd repeat?
@vayandas
@vayandas 7 лет назад
thats a nice approach
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Yeah, buddy!
@waynejones3428
@waynejones3428 6 лет назад
The good old days,nice vid ✈
@jackhalper4343
@jackhalper4343 7 лет назад
Good Landings! Thanks for providing some tips for a low time pilot!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
That's what we're here for :)
@hunterfagan6272
@hunterfagan6272 7 лет назад
I love flying to cranland in x plane
@axelsflightsimulation
@axelsflightsimulation 7 лет назад
Thank you for the airport name! :D
@Wpilot673
@Wpilot673 4 года назад
Nicely done
@simcptmike
@simcptmike 3 года назад
Great video. Did you land harder than expected because you pulled flaps in your flare?
@hudsonriver3188
@hudsonriver3188 7 лет назад
Great Video - was surprised at the moment of touchdown how much stress is put on the landing gear legs.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
And that wasn't even a hard landing! Those Cessnas take a beating.
@zzodr
@zzodr 7 лет назад
I usually touchdown on the numbers and go no further. Because I'm flying a helicopter.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Hahahaha that gave me a good laugh :)
@johnorr7386
@johnorr7386 7 лет назад
Nicely done but I hope you don't fly retractables because retracting the flaps on landing roll (or during the flare) has caused many a good pilot to land wheels up! Nice to see you have your Christmas decorations up early. I see the tree hanging in front of the rear window. Keep on enjoying your flying. I flew for 30 years but unfortunately there were no GoPro cameras in my time.
@outwiththem
@outwiththem 7 лет назад
Nicely done. Too fast flare?? Just cut the flaps to cut the lift . That is a Bush Pilot trick i learned in 1995. Glad more smart pilots are using it lately. I have seen too many runway overshots and damaged tires from bad pilots floating too much and not cutting the flaps, or with flaps down braking. Those are student pilot errors. Also Panicky Braking can cause a runway excursion and flip over, wrecking you or the airplane
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Now just tell all the complainers on here that :P
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Oh, I see you already did. Thanks!! Haha
@outwiththem
@outwiththem 7 лет назад
i do. Coward pilots always whine and critic others about multitasking maneuvers or harder to do procedures, even if they work better than the old fashion POH methods. They are just Mild Maneuvering Maggots. That is why they crash so many GA airplanes in USA. Most are PipiPilot Errors. Student Pilot style Errors. A big shame they allow Mild Maneuvering Only Pilots all over USA. The decline of USA GA is caused by pilot errors mostly. Just Lazy Pipipilot Self destruction.
@StoutFlier
@StoutFlier 6 лет назад
If you are on speed, you won't overshoot. Retracting the flaps on flare is stupid and should not be necessary to perform a good short field landing.
@outwiththem
@outwiththem 6 лет назад
Guy, you are the stupid here. You cannot do that due you are clumsy or a coward- and you have the freaking nerve to call CFI's and Bush Pilots that have done that trick a thousand times stupid? F You, Prick.. Man up and try it, then call us names, idiot.
@airmackeeee6792
@airmackeeee6792 7 лет назад
Hey Nick nice vid mate! I reckon you could re-upload this vid, unedited, as a demonstration of the need for precise & constant communication when operating in a busy uncontrolled airfield scenario. Watcha reckon mate?
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
I think I left 95% of everyone's calls in there. What did you think was missing?
@johnmajane3731
@johnmajane3731 5 месяцев назад
Why pull the flaps up? They aid you in slowing down through aerodynamic braking.
@smirnoff1589
@smirnoff1589 7 лет назад
Solid approach man! I fly at KLNA in West Balm Beach, FL, and it too, like Cranland, is an uncontrolled field, and it turns into a zoo on the weekends! Glad I found your channel, look forward to more videos. PS - My favorite part, "Piper **such and such** holding short on the active" -_____- .......why? hahaha
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
haha LNA, huh!? You seen this one yet? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vQb3D2ps3IE.html
@smirnoff1589
@smirnoff1589 7 лет назад
Friendly Skies Film not even joking, I may have been flying that day lol. So you know as well as I do about the madness that is lantana traffic!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Pretty crazy, but it may be my home very soon! Can't wait to become a Floridian. What are you flying down there?
@smirnoff1589
@smirnoff1589 7 лет назад
Usually I'm in 7273Mike it's a C172R with a 160HP. FLorida is a great place to fly! Not this weekend of course...
@DreamFreeFPV
@DreamFreeFPV 7 лет назад
Things that piss me off with unicom/ctaf calls: Not saying the altitude you're at... You're in an aeroplane not a car, report position accordingly.
@Georgewrigley
@Georgewrigley 5 лет назад
Awesome footage guys and very interesting. Cheers :)
@swankiey
@swankiey 6 лет назад
Loved this, keep them coming...
@farmgene
@farmgene 7 лет назад
Love the videos!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Thanks, mate :)
@ericgirardet1848
@ericgirardet1848 6 лет назад
Nice video! Greetings from Switzerland!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 6 лет назад
Hi Switzerland! :D
@dronespace
@dronespace 3 года назад
Great video
@johnturner2946
@johnturner2946 4 года назад
The guy with the glass and dark hair may have more experience then the other guy.
@jaidanhero5092
@jaidanhero5092 4 года назад
John Turner they both have brown hair and glasses
@johnturner2946
@johnturner2946 4 года назад
@@jaidanhero5092 Ok, allow me to elaborate. The white guy with the brown hair and brass color glass's may be the better pilot :)
@alexandermyrthue1987
@alexandermyrthue1987 6 лет назад
From a non pilot: the retracting of the flaps just before touchdown is because it makes it easier to brak just after touchdown. The flaps would create more updraft and makes the wheels braking system less efficient
@WeslarWaven
@WeslarWaven 7 лет назад
Did he say Civil air patrol at 8:47, yep! Those are my bro's!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Yeah, buddy! :)
@hunterfagan6272
@hunterfagan6272 5 лет назад
I heard they opened the grass strip at minute man. You should take your warrior there. Its a 1600 ft runway
@damiandiesel1
@damiandiesel1 7 лет назад
I just performed a textbook walk to the bathroom after performing a difficult walk around the laundry pile, Almost didnt make it but for my great skill! You guys are too funny!
@GeorgeCharlesAllen
@GeorgeCharlesAllen 7 лет назад
Nice. Are you offering lessons? Sign me up.
@damiandiesel1
@damiandiesel1 7 лет назад
Nah , By the look of things I think you guys have your hands full with warriors and 172's.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Can't we all just get along :P
@jshepard152
@jshepard152 7 лет назад
7:46 You're welcome.
@r3poman671
@r3poman671 7 лет назад
And here I am struggling with the short feild landings in my training. Curious as to why he retracted the flaps before touchdown as I've been taught to retract them after touchdown to increase aerodynamic braking.
@georgecharlesallen1519
@georgecharlesallen1519 7 лет назад
It's just a difference in technique. Retracting the flaps while in the flare helps reduce lift / float in ground effect and helps sink the aircraft onto the ground and transfer weight to the wheels once down. Not recommended for check rides, but works well in real life once you get the coordination down. It's all based on timing, judgment, and feel.
@r3poman671
@r3poman671 7 лет назад
George Charles Allen Ahh cool, thanks man. Appreciate the input!
@outwiththem
@outwiththem 4 года назад
@@georgecharlesallen1519 I have used it on check rides. On CFI checkrides. They like it..
@midnitemonty
@midnitemonty 7 лет назад
Nice ! I want to try Cranland one of these days.. I like how you pulled the flaps up to give some extra planting force.
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Tricks of the bush pilot trade :)
@GreenFillwood
@GreenFillwood 7 лет назад
Bush aircraft undecarriage can take being thrown onto the ground
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
The things I've seen done to this poor Cessna! Haha
@outwiththem
@outwiththem 7 лет назад
He didnt do that. So what is your point.
@tomrisar5492
@tomrisar5492 6 лет назад
Yes he did, another well made video using SAFE procedures and camera's ignored during things that require full attention. Many aviation video's seem to include some high action that might cause a fowl if they don't tone it down.
@joecarpenter4522
@joecarpenter4522 7 лет назад
George, I watched your [other] short field landing video. So... what was your headwind component and how heavy were you? ;)Hey, mad props for the postage stamp landing but why didn't you use a similar method when you landed at the other runway (that I squawked about)? I will mildly concur that had you had to go around, it likely would have been a non event, but probably due in large part that [when you retracted the flaps] you were in ground effect, in a light high wing airplane. Fair enough? Safe flying and I'll definitely do the same!
@GeorgeCharlesAllen
@GeorgeCharlesAllen 7 лет назад
Thanks :) Flying is an art, it's fluid. Why not try different things? I had no control over this video being titled, and honestly never thought it was going to be called what it was called, or presented the way it was for the whole world to critique. I figured it would just be a video about two guys flying in for breakfast. It just happens to be what I decided to do for that particular day just for the hell of it. Would I land there the same way every time? No. I'm not a robot. I just did it to see what would happen. We later landed at Myricks, a short field grass strip, (not recorded) and I used a totally different technique.
@petermelillo6524
@petermelillo6524 7 лет назад
Nice video, thanks for the advanced look at the airport. We are going to drop in there one of these days. Also thinking of purchasing the headset your buddy is using, any feed back on those?...thanks!
@FriendlySkiesFilm
@FriendlySkiesFilm 7 лет назад
Glad I could help :) I think he enjoys them very much.
@TPACFILMS
@TPACFILMS 7 лет назад
We just took a cessna to Chicago and flew around the city
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