Busting 1 Myth for EVERY Zonai Device! (Tears of the Kingdom) 

Also those big blocks that float around some sky islands also disappear sadly but they do last a loooong time it's kinda cool.

The hover platforms disappear after a few minutes

@@MisterJokestar The big platforms disappear based on distance. They stay forever, time wise, but will disappear if they're getting to far away from their point of origin. That's how the disappearance of most of the Zonai Devices work as well.

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I also had small wheels disappear when I drove around with my tank for a very long time (something between 30 and 60 min). It suddenly started flashing like wings or balloons. And: Balloons disappearing was a big nuissance for me because I regularly glued bundled wood in the opening and lit it on fire to get "permanent" lift. That also stopped my plans for building an airship using the boats on Tenoko Island. I got one to fly with 6 balloons with the burning wood.

To elaborate further in case anyone was curious, hot air is less dense because the molecules are moving faster, and thus take up more space. Imagine a room full of kids bouncing all around. They represent hot air molecules. Fewer kids fit in the room because they're all running into each other constantly. If you calm them down (representing cooling molecules), suddenly you can fit more in the room because they're now able to stand closer together. Just don't ask me to explain why a room full of excited children would float on top of a room of calm children...

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I made the same comment but then I saw yours and erased mine

Also why you can’t sit by it to pass the time

But how does it cook without heat then though? Edit- ok ok I get it now, induction stoves exist, but there is still flames under the pot so idk

@@SSukram_ It's literally magic

They also disappear after a single use. I sort of hate that. Makes them mostly useless in my opinion. I still just do the same thing I did in BOTW. Which is, before I go on a big quest I go to a town, find the local cooking pot, and fill up my meal inventory. I do this pretty much every time I come to a town and before every major story line quest. I never run out of food, and I have never had need for a portable cooking pot.

I hate that it's a one time use I wish you could just use it like normal then it deapawns whe. You leave the area or has like a 5 min timer or something

Yep. Scouring the depths and sky islands with the hoverbike, I've had it despawn on me several times. It took a VERY long time, but it absolutely happens.

I've had it happen with hot air balloons as well.

How have people had this with everything but hot air balloons do you guys just not go up

@@a-ramenartist9734 yeah they die pretty quick

almost all Zonai devices disappear after 30 minutes of use except for a few such as carts and sleds, which don't disappear, and wings and balloons, which disappear after 1 minute.

Raises the question: does the balloon rise faster in cold environments? I don't expect they'll have gone that far, but it wouldn't surprise me much

This. I was watching thinking "this man doesn't understand how a hot air balloon works

@@frankonaig7278 this man hasn't watched Avatar 🤣

@@nthgth would that really make a difference though? I assume the difference between ambient temperature would still be the same because the balloon would cool down a bit faster and the flame couldn't get it as hot

@@oswith972 you mean, Yes the fire/hot air has a higher difference from ambient, but the moment it gets into the balloon the frigid outside air is cooling the balloon air that much faster. Yeah, that might pretty much nullify the effect. I could see that. Gonna look that up for IRL actually, that's a great point.

Or if you got through middle school physics lol

I learned from both but that clip from that episode plays on my head when I think about it now

Yes, just set it down so that it’s blowing downward, not sideways.

​@Jason X sideways works too in some areas

Was gonna comment this myself, so instead I'll like and confirm. Fan does blow itself.

I came here to say the same thing. Fans can push another object if there's too much friction too. Like a wing with a fan on flat ground with no wheels or tracks is not going anywhere either.

Correction its more to do with how the fan deals with angles and positions using the physic engine of the game if lying flat downward it will fly up and end up catching on the floor but it does revolve friction a tiny bit Not 100% sure

I tested this the other day actually, and no, you can definitely lift off, and still not be going as high as possible via rockets

@@Cute___E huh. What exactly are you replying to, cause that reply makes zero sense to me basically just saying weight matters?

@@dokuujin1851Sorry, let me clarify. It's possible to take off with rockets, and still not get as far as you could have possibly gotten by attaching more rockets. Weight does effect it, but it isn't a binary factor, there's a scale to it depending on the weight of what you're lifting. The best way to test this is to use the floating platforms along with rockets. Test the difference between using one rocket and two, or four, and notice it makes a difference.

@@Cute___E oh i mean that's more or less what I meant, anyway. The only reason I said the "you won't get higher" thing is because the video implies you don't, which I haven't tested. I just know for a fact you need more if shit's heavier, and that's very easily tested by simply attaching a rocket to a stake. IIRC you need 2 to even lift a stake, and a minimum of 3 if you have any kind of actual vehicle that includes a stake. (stakes are REAL heavy, lol)

Strangely enough, I used multiple fans for a sand surfer and it moved faster when I use more than 1 fan

The floating blocks disappear based on distance, though some of the ones that already exist in the world are actually based on a specific bounding box rather than any specific distance. The wings however seem to be based on fight time rather than distance, you can get them to go quite far if you attach sufficient propulsion but they don't get very far at all if you use them as a barebones glider. Every item eventually times out though. Fly on the same fans and they'll disappear after around 30 minutes of flight time, the wheels and weapons should disappear at around the same time.

The balloon also disappears after traveling too far. The wing and balloon do this to prevent infinite flight since both can be use to get infinite distance. Not sure about the hover stone though

Happens to fans too. I spent a long time, 20-30 minutes or so, exploring the world on a flying vehicle. To my surprise the fans started giving out in the same way at some point.

Yup! The air within must be less dense then the surrounding environment.

This is correct. The first "mythbusting" is wrong. You can prove this by using the giant floating platforms, while it's true that 4 rockets will disappear at the same time thus carrying the platform to the same initial height, the 4 rockets will leave behind larger inertia, the platform will keep moving up for much, much longer, and the final height will be much higher

I was going to ask about this because it does feel like more rockets can matter. I haven't paid attention with full fidelity, but I've felt like I needed to use more rockets to move things like those big honking Zonai floating platforms. They all break at the same time still, but to get it moving and how much momentum it builds up seem dependent on the number of rockets (again, I haven't tested it consciously).

@@NekoMouser That'd be because they're too heavy for one rocket to get to full speed

Distance from point of origin makes them disappear, via another post, very good to know when you are rocketing all over with them. And be sure to wedge a chainlink bunch of rockets onto the dragon post head so they dont slip off.

I've also had big wheels despawn after a really long time

Stabilizers and construct heads as well for me. I believe all active parts will eventually despawn with enough use, but gliders, balloons and rockets are the only ones with a short enough duration to matter for normal gameplay

can confirm the fans and balloon, mapping out the underground got quite hectic when your hoverbike decides to shed a few vitally important pounds. as for the balloon, discovered that whilst traveling from the ground mazes to the sky mazes.

Oh yeah, also here's a fun fact: Those giant floating blocks in the sky islands will also disappear after a short time, if you decide to try flying them around by sticking fans to them that is.

​@@squiddler7731 found this out thinking I had discovered the best way to fly, I thought I was so slick, let the fans run, recharge your battery, repeat and go wherever you want. Nope!

which is also why you fall faster when gliding in the heat

@@noodletribunal9793 Lol what? No. That makes no sense

@@sleejay8910 oh ok

Same with pinecones. They won produce any upwind in the desert

Yep, hot air is less dense. Its like how a helium balloon wouldnt float in a room full of helium.

You can just grab it with ultrahand

The big white box that you see in construct arenas work in the same as the wings

Yeah, while 2 is fine for most things, 3 is prob the most you will get which is fitting as there is a Yiga schematic for such a spring creation.

@@Kaijudomage I used 6 springs to launch myself pretty damn far I got them from a flux construct 3 arena don’t remember where tho

There is also a shrine for the homing cart myth too

@@Coco-kf5vi that one was my favorite shrine

​@@nell711If you need that much height, you may be better making a large platform and a stabiliser to use like a catapult. Would be cheaper on Zoanite.

Nah the endpoint really doesn't matter as long as it's the same for both tests. If 2 wheels used twice as much energy, the time would still be twice as fast with any endpoint. The difference is just much larger the longer you make the endpoint.

​@@gr3enmachin369 The endpoint wouldn't be the same, though, because the size of the red would be different because the energy consumption rates are different

​@@rushikakkirala948 ​Although the correction about what is considered the endpoint is correct (it is after the red and not the green), the difference in the widths of the red areas is almost negligible in this experiment, which actually reinforces his statement about scaling down extra energy usage with each wheel. If 2 wheels used twice as much energy, that red area would be twice as wide. His endpoint was still about the same for both, but like I said, as long as that is the case, it doesn't matter where it is. Think about it. If 2 wheels used energy at double the rate, going from full energy down to any given point would take half as much time as one wheel going to that same point.

@Gre3nMachin3 You’re correct that it doesn’t use twice the energy for two wheels, but you’re wrong that the test is using the same endpoint in both conditions. The test got the right answer with invalid methods.

@@williamestey7294 Read my point again. It seems you misunderstood it.

On who activates it you mean

That makes sense. I learned something new today

I have only seen fans disappear if you connect it to a shield or the secret summon

Have you seen fans disappear on a vehicle you were controlling? I've seen them disappear at a despawn distance

Hover stones (as well as those huge naturally spawned ones) disappear after traveling very far too

@@memyselfishness fans will despawn but it takes around half an hour real time of continuous use.

does this mean a lynel cant one shot me if i have full health, even if i only have 3 hearts? doesnt seem right, feels like i was one shot by enemies many times even with full health

@@rafaelmoura2103 You wint be one shot by one instance of dqmage but you can still receive multiple instances of damage in a short period of time and it looks like one instance.

@@rain-rx6bq i see

I also kinda loved that the balloon started moving in reaction to him being on fire. I never noticed that in my playthrough

Yeah, I guess in those areas the air temp is just hot enough for Link and his clothes to autoignite, but not as hot as the actual burning so it'll still raise the balloon lol

@@nthgthoutside of the balloon is same temp as inside, so it won’t rise. Even if the air is burning, the rest of the air is as well. Requires a temperature difference.

that's a blatant lie fam

@@callmezeldaonemoartime Its actually true. It just takes a really really long time. Every zonai device will eventually despawn.

@@callmezeldaonemoartime I've also had it happen with the big floating platforms. The ones that Constructs are on in some sky islands. Edit: I see he addressed some more things in the pinned comment, and others say the large platforms disappear if they get too far from where they started.

Yeah I did that shrine a couple weeks ago which is why that "myth" confused me when it popped up. That's not really a myth. It's a deliberate puzzle. Maybe he just hadn't gotten to that shrine yet?

The shrine was a nightmare. I had to wait outside the hall for the carts to kill stuff but still close enough for the carts to work. For some reason the enemies kept finding me even when I was way out of their sight. The carts can't pull enough aggro.

@@FrostedMike i just ran like hell and tossed the parts behind walls and jumped down and crouched. It causes them to see you as stealthed and start to wonder were you are. Combined with the duo of spike plate carts in the front wrecking the captain I had plenty of distractions

That shrine was rough for me. I didn't realize there were more carts inside the big room, so I just sat in the starting area and waited for the two spike carts to kill everything.

@@malcanth3481 I knew there were more, but getting to them and set them up was nearly impossible for me. The moment I entered the hall I was swarmed with enemies and couldn't stop moving.

It's interesting how many people here think this is the case. The endpoint really doesn't matter as long as it's the same for both tests. If 2 wheels used twice as much energy, the time would still be twice as fast with any endpoint. The difference is just much larger the longer you make the endpoint.

But if the red is showing how fast it is going, it will be bigger on 2 wheels. The endpoint isn't the same across both

@@gr3enmachin369 not really. I’m not gonna claim it’s 2:1 because I haven’t tested it myself but the red part is wider when the drain is bigger. So if you end it on the left side of the red part it’s less accurate. For example say if something drains super fast and the red part is as wide as an entire bar that would make it so the left part will touch the line the instant you turn it on. Whereas something that has half the drain would take X amount of time for the red bar to touch it on the left. That would mean one thing took 0 seconds to drain and the other thing would take infinity times more time to drain. You have to test by draining it so that the bar itself is completely black to get an accurate value. To better illustrate it, imagine if the red part signals how much power is drained in a second. And let’s say one device takes 8 seconds to drain a bar. When you turn it on it’ll be green for 7/8 of it and red for 1/8. It’ll take 7 seconds for the red part to touch the left side of the bar. If you use two of the same device and it drains twice as fast the red bar would start at 1/4 of the bar and the green would be 3/4. Draining at 2 bars a second it would take 3 seconds for the red part to touch the left part of the bar. That’s 3 seconds vs 7 when it should be 4 seconds vs 8. It won’t be the same ratio simply because you use the same endpoint. The red bar changing width makes a significant difference. It might not use twice the power still but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t test the most accurate way possible. Better way would be to test it with a zonai battery or from a game save with no upgrades and see how long the full battery drain takes.

@Ice Blue Someone said almost the exact same thing to me in the other comment where i explained this. Although the correction about what is considered the endpoint is correct (it is after the red and not the green), you can see the difference in the widths of the red areas is almost negligible in this experiment, which actually reinforces his statement about scaling down extra energy usage with each wheel. If 2 wheels used twice as much energy, that red area would be twice as wide.

@@gr3enmachin369 again, I said I don’t know if it’s actually twice as much drain. My point is you cannot use the left side of the bar to accurately compare drain time. You have to use the right side. That was my entire point, not that the drain is twice the rate.

wait, you can buy the big batteries???

@@general.catallion_8054 in autobuild yeah

@@Dewelwield1010 ahh, that makes sense, i guess i'm going to need to make a big battery bank autobuild.

@@general.catallion_8054 You can buy them from the charge construct after you get all the upgrades for your battery belt as well, provided you already found an unopen one in the wild. The cost is 3 crystalized charges for the battery and 30 for the big battery in that shop. It keeps 10 of each that you've already found via dispensers, etc. and restocks daily.

The battery one was wrong in both senses, it depletes each battery in the order they were attached

Makes sense. The thrust and added weight offset each other. Makes me wish we could make staged designs, instead of having all devices activate at the same time.

@@jardex2275 this can be done using batteries.

Haven't tried but can two rockets get you to the same height quicker than just one?

@@Ibar3735 Nope, rockets have a max load and as long as the vehicle is under that weight then they will operate at max speed until they time out. If you add more rockets then you can move more weight, but it doesn't change how fast the vehicle moves. If the vehicle is heavier than the max load of the rockets then you will move more slowly and additional rockets will result in more speed, but only for as many rockets as it takes to cover for the weight of the vehicle. You can turn 20 rockets into a platform and won't get you any higher or any faster than just sticking 1 rocket to a light vehicle..

​@@possumwithacowboyhat5140 Really?? Could you briefly explain how this works? (staged devices w/batteries)

This guy sciences

Maybe it's like a big ol waterproof electric kettle

I was recently surprised to discover that the blue flame isn't fully waterproof as it doesn't start in boot-deep water. I was in the Akkala labyrinth at the time trying to brew a hasty elixir and the entire surface of the floor was covered in water! I ended up having to but the pot on top of another Zonai device to get it to start.

@@Kryteria maybe it uses a mundane combustible fuel for initial starting/ spark, and it only works in rain bc it's still just dry enough to strike the moment it exits your inventory

@@nthgth So it's some kind of induction or microwave device which is initiated using a flint and steel. I like it!

To be fair, the Bomb Shields are at least 347% cooler, and both do take up durability, using a pocket-light is all but costless

I think he put it the wrong way the circle on the back is the part where the light is supposed to be

@@nobro8190 It still doesnt work I just tested it

You also can’t take out zonai devices while in a shrine, but the light not working is likely so you couldn’t just skip every light temple puzzle and other puzzles like it

I’ve 100% crafted a mirror with a light shining into the orb on the back and the mirror reflecting the beam as brightly as daylight.

Balloons too!

Stabilisers do it to

I've never seen a fan vanish. I've had wings and balloons vanish, but not fans. That's why my primary mode of transportation has become two angled fans, a steering stick and a rocket pointed up. Of course, I've never tested how far I can fly with it. My power normally runs out first.

@@tacoman10 I haven’t either but I am usually going somewhere and fast travel a lot not just cruising so I believe it might happen after a significant amount of time.

that is exactly what I was thinking

yes but you can see the blue flames below the pot and also induction doesn't work without direct contact with the pot so it doesn't work well with woks

@@alexanderworth4352 perhaps its the cold fire from ocarina of time- If you freeze say, fish- at -28 or so for two weeks you kill all of its parasites and make it safe to eat. Its probably just balancing- not wanting to be just a free campfire. the player can make one of they wish.

@@alexanderworth4352 That's why I said "based off of". Think of it in the same sense that you would the Purrah Pad which is clearly based off of the Switch, even though as far as we know it doesn't have detachable sides and the battery is infinite. Lore wise the flames seem to be the unnamed blue fire that first showed up in OoT (which is based on real blue fire obviously). In BotW it didn't go out in the rain either and could affect cryonis and remote bombs even though normal fire can't. One thing that it did in BotW but not in TotK is raise Link's temperature, which is why I think it's an intentional nod to induction rather than instant magic fire. Especially considering they could have just used a normal fire like what we see in Zonai fire emitters.

That's actually pretty clever. Reminds me of how the steering stick seems to always know exactly what I want it to do no matter how crazy my contraption is

Learned this very quickly once I got to one of the islands with a ton of rockets and platforms.

I also recently found out the hard way that wheels will also vanish but it takes a very long time to hapen

One of my favorite for sure

Yeah but the shrine really encourages you really to put weapons on them like even the first one gives you spikes to attach. So I could understand someone thinking it doesn’t do damage itself.

thats why the bike is the best choice of flying the parts dont dissapear

@@DrSmugface fans disappear eventually, I saw it happen yesterday.

Funny enough i tested this as well to see what causes it to despair after apparently if you simply attach rockets to it and make it go up in the same place it was originally it lasts quite a lot idk how long but way longer than if you tried to make it move up and forward at once

Balloons can disappear as well

At this point I'm just waiting for someone to definitively find out if steering sticks will ever disappear, because nearly every other device does.

Hm... does weapon special attributes apply to those planted on zonai devices? Granted not all of the would be applicable, but some might (e.g. bursting procs for forest keeper)

@Sinteleon unsure. I don't think the elemental properties of any weapon work right (I tried with ice and no luck) but the gerudo weapons I tried were able to consistently one shot me with like 20+ hearts. I think the damage works, but fused items don't, so the bursting forest weapons probably don't actually burst.

@Sinteleon after some testing, it does not apply certain special effects. Any special properties granted by the fused item (puff shrooms, for instance) simply don't work. Also, the weapon in question does still lose durability, though I found that the royal weapons x2 bonus was NOT applied to the damage. It should have one shot me at a full 40 hearts (176 listed damage) but did not. In comparison, my gerudo weapon with 130 damage did exactly 32.5 hearts, which was the expected result. So, I think the only real weapons that should be applied are likely the gerudo weapons. That or gloom spear + gloom spear for the obscene length of the weapon, but it's honestly more of a burden than anything else. TL;DR, gerudo weapons are the best for the death roomba.

Ah yes. Stabby the Sky Roomba.

We watch rockets disappear at the beginning of the video lol

you can use this and turn them off and back on so they are yours.

fans can disapear too, just takes a really long time, had them die out on me flying the depths for like an hour?

​@@Asumora159 was about to point that out too, was kind of surprised when they started flashing.

And of course gets like half of them completely wrong.

I've never seen a fan disappear unless they get to their despawn distance... at which point _everything_ disappears. But, yeah, it is a weird thing to say when rockets disappear almost immediately, and balloons do roughly in the same manor as the wings.

@@Wendy_O._Koopa it takes a LONG time to run a fan out, but it will happen. I've had a few fan-bikes disappear from under me because I used them for so long (usually like the full length or width of the depths lol)

Balloons also dissappear

shock emitters can also time out. I assume every device can

@@birdlegscass Wow. All I know is I basically circled half the entire depths in my air bike before the fans gave up, but the steering stick had more time left.

It took me about an hour of lightroot hopping to time out a pair of fans. I believe they take 45 minutes of runtime to time out

Imagine if it could reflect multiple lazers into one super lazer, build a tank with a dozen beams pointing to one mirror on a head device.

It does say in the menu "Because it doesn't use fire, it stays lit in the rain" meaning it doesn't heat you up cause it isn't hot. Yet somehow it still magically cooks your food.

induction tech perhaps? 🤷‍♂️

it doesn't use fire

@@LineOfThy I wonder what it does use since it does light(and unlight) something when placed/moved.

@@something4922 It's strange. maybe zonai magic?

It’s order of attachments not placement position from what I’ve seen

I was gonna mention this if I didn't see it commented. It seems the first battery that gets put on first gets drained first.

Rockets seem to have a gyroscopic effect, though. They launch the direction they're pointing, unless your construct is interrupted (e.g. by a curved ramp).

​@@atimholt Multiple rockets will propel a contraption evenly. Just today I had half of my build sheer off after trying to lift it with one rocket.

It also matters with weight big objects can be moved more with more rockets up to a certain limit. In other words there is a max benefit from rockets and here it was one depending on what you’re moving it could be more than one.

I was wondering the same thing. But after thinking about where he could have even conceived of that number, I think what he did was figure out that there are 24 different orders (4x3x2x1) and then somehow wrongly assumed only one of those orders had the big battery last.

@@tehemail.7062 That sounds about how I'd think he got to that